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Tartaria “SUN TABLET” (round) shows hardest to be read

April 15, 2018

Careful/ Attention ! This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. =====

TartRound

This tablet muddled/confused/puzzled me.And not only me.Because contrary of the first impression, as to contain/have many archaic greek letters, the matter is not so simple.

Yes, out of hieroglyphic/icon-like religion-related signs on right-downward quadrant and above the sign +++++ wich could mean 50 (supposed age of the woman writer) , many signs in the rest are found in archaic greek alphabet variants (epichoric greek variants).But even so,”Bow+Arrow” and “>>” signs on downward-left corner cannot be found in archaic greek.(But the last-ones are present in carian writing)

Ancient Languages of the East Mediterranean. https://tied.verbix.com/archive/article9.html It is known from Greek sources that the Mediterranean shores of Asia Minor were inhabited by different peoples, whose origin was unknown by Greeks. Some think Pelasgians, pre-Hellenic population of Greece, came from Asia Minor, whether they were Indo-Europeans or not. The word Assuwa mentioned in Hittite sources, is the same as Greek Asia, that’s how Asia got its name. Another name for the people of Asia Minor is Ahhijawa which is for sure Achaeans, Greeks who are believed to settle on Asian coasts already since the 15th century BC. Later, when Hittites began migrating westwards, Lycia, Lydia and Caria were invaded by Anatolian-speaking peoples, Achaeans were made to go back to Aegean Islands and to Balkans.

I cannot found all the signs only in twoo writing systems: sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library and in carian alphabets. Sorry enough the difference between those above writings is depassing 2.000 years (3.200 <visa>1.200). Even if the tablet could be read in sumerian, some-how I am not sure if at a so long distance the writing could be transmited. Also I am sorry for Romanian archeologists if the tablet is written in an Anatolian writing, because the age would be not so great as they supposed to be (any case 5.200 B.C. is completely out of range) but not even touch the 3.000 B.C. age limit. Because of only twoo speciphic signs, bow-arrow and >>, wich I cannot find in any Aegean area, I must be constrained to left/get up the testing of the tablet in an Aegean writing system (Cretan hieroglyphic+Linear A/B).So at the same level with sumerian but in my mind with more chances there is the Anatolian writing, don’t know exactly wich but carian seem to gain more + -ses. What are the plus and minuses if carian writing occure on our tablet : + much related by historical/archeological points of wiew of Anatolia to Vinca-Turdas culture – carian has many different alphabets (ones used in Egypt and others in Anatolia) in Anatolia were used more than 25 Anatolian alphabets. – carian language is one of the less known and understood I.European languages –signs and language combined are the mixed effect of having one great mess one expect if attempt decyphering/reading. In fact, – Caria was closest (as Lycia was ) to Cycladic/Aegean and Egypt. – carians were navigators wich reached Egypt and paid as soldiers in some faraoh’s army.Map from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_cario

for carian language and writing see The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der … cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf

The Carian Language – Ignacio-Javier Adiego Lajara – Google Books https://books.google.com

No.1

Carian alphabets – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carian_alphabets The Carian alphabets are a number of regional scripts used to write the Carian language of western Anatolia. They consisted of some 30 alphabetic letters, with several geographic variants in Caria and a homogeneous variant attested from the Nile delta, where Carian mercenaries fought for the Egyptian pharaohs.

The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der … cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf which many inscriptions were written. Moreover, both the hypotheses on the origin of Carian letters envisaged here (p. 231) and the strongly differentiated local alphabetic variants point clearly to a much wider and prolonged use of Carian script. Hrozný and Hittite: Abstracts https://www.ff.cuni.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Hrozny2015-Abstracts-Web.pdf – Ignasi-Xavier ADIEGO. (University of Barcelona). One of the typically chaotic situations produced in Carian both by the singularity of the alphabet and by the scarcity of the documentation available is the so-called ”defective notation of vowels”: the fact that Carian writing tends to omit the notation of vocalic.

Other alphabets, No.2 Table, from http://oldeuropewriting.blogspot.ro/

No.3 Table,from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

No.4 Table, from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

So, let’s begin;

No.1 Quarter:

My first and main interpretation of those twoo complex-signs is that there are religious rituals related icons. Left sign, in red:

Tart RED

Out of supposed “altar with flames“icon, “if” we one suppose ligatured letters (or one upon another), could have:

Up: E/U/Y/W ? Down: Delta,K,G,Ra

Eg,Ek,Ug, (Sumerian E-Ga:”it is”;Anatolian/I.E. Eg,Ek; Carian Uk:”I,me“) ED,EDe(“eat”)or ERa (“earth“) Note.Found in opposite 180Deg. corner also Eta-Rho “ERA?” Right icon/sign (black): “astral deity“,”sun-abode” icon At the very top: Sidetian “N” Middle: B/L/G? Down: A/L/D? So: BAL/GAD? ( & combinations)

2-nd QUARTER

The great difficulty is not arising from the sign +++++, but from the “D”-shaped signs! D-shape signs appeared first in archaic greek alphabets (epichoric) and were used in different places for D in one place and as for R in another! ———————————————————————- Sign +++++ : Carian:”SE” ; Para-carian “N” ; carian “Y”

D D o o : carian S S o o or carian S b o o NyS ; NySSoo ? Nys=”Son” (as in DioNYSSS “god-birth>born/son”?)

YSSoo > Yssou ? From: issa * iessou – Yogi Ramsurat Kumar http://www.yogiramsuratkumar.info/GauraKrishna/ISSA.pdf ISSA – IESSOU prémisses de l’âge nouveau, de prendre conscience que les enseignements des grands instructeurs de l’humanité sont un et que ce sont les hommes qui en ont perverti le message originel, caché et tu la réalité et, par tels ou tels conciles, passé au tamis l’essence de l’enseignement de JESUSet érigé de …

Pourquoi il y a deux appelations de jésus en arabe ? sur le forum …http://www.jeuxvideo.com/…/42-3005597-54377556-1-0-1-0-pourquoi-i… en arabe qurayshite (la langue du Coran) c’est ‘Issa et dans les dialectes arabes des autres chrétiens c’était Yassou‘

The Princeton Encyclopedia of Classical Sites https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1400886589 Richard Stillwell, ‎William L. MacDonald, ‎Marian Holland McAllister –.. The situation is an important one, on the route from Pamphylia to Caria. … Issa founded the emporia Tragurion (Trogir) and Epetion (Stobreč) on the Illyrian mainland. ————————————————————————————————- If we have: Se R R o o then: “SeRRoo”.This SER is an ancient very important root: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ser-

*ser-^[1]

to bind, to tie together
thread and in latin Sermo, speech ; masc. Singular, Plural. N, ser’-mo ser-mo’-nes, G. ser-mo -nis, ser-mo’-num, D. ser-mo -ni, ser-mon’-l-buSy Ac. ser-mo’-nem, ser-mo^-nes, V. ser’-mo, ser-mo’-nes, Ab. ser-roo’-ne. ser-roon’-i-bus.

3-rd QUARTER

Up-LeftRAW

Left sign: para-carian “E Right sign:carian “R”/”S”? ES,Esu:”good,noble”? ER:”Earth/moove,get up?” (as in ERa,Hera);

From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/roots.aspx?type=Indo-European&root=es- es- To be. Oldest form *h₁es-, zero-grade *h₁s-.

From: Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans: A Reconstruction and …https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3110815036 Thomas V. Gamkrelidze, ‎Vjaceslav V. Ivanov Roots of this structure include the ancient Indo–European verbal roots *es‘be’, *et’- ‘eat’, *ekho- ‘drink’, *eph- ‘take, grasp’, *er– ‘move, get up’, *ei’go’. An initial laryngeal for … The Indo–European word for ‘good’ is traditionally reconstructed as *esu– (Gk. eris ‘good, noble‘, ell- ‘good, noble’ in compounds; Hitt. a.t”s’u- ‘good’).

If both :HeRa,Heroa SERmon:”binding saying= spell”?

Fromhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/329769878_Underground_quarries_in_the_area_of_Agiades_Samos_Island_Greece_Notes_on_historical_topography_and_chronology/link/5c19ba64299bf12be38a2627/download In our view, the often combination of the letters HP is rather conspicuous; the monogram could stand for Hera or her sanctuary, as in some stamped Samian amphorae (see Grace, 1971, 93 nr.77).

4-th QUARTER

lowLeftdraw

Twoo upper-row signs: He and Re or I and D Downward sign, “L” ; so could have : HeRe (earth,earthen)(quite the same as upward) or HeRuL? .Out of I-D-L :”I Do Lu/I Da Lu” :”statue,image” Anatolian *meyu- ‘4, four’ and its cognates – Journal of Language …http://www.jolr.ru/files/(18)jlr2009-2(65-78).pdf by A Kassian Hitt. idalu– ‘evil’ ~ Luw. attuwal ‘evil’ (: Grk. ὀδύνη

Tense and Aspect in Indo-European Languages: Theory, typology, diachrony https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027275971 John Hewson, ‎Vit Bubenik – (4) Denominative suffix -es in Hittite idalu “bad” idalaw-es “become bad” parkui “clean” parku-es “become clean” salli “big” sall-es “grow” mekki “plentiful”

HERA thread/Sermon,Spell to overcome bad/evil ? Note that the first D=R has o stroke-like inside (i?) SeiRa/Gr.:”cord,thread” as we have threaded amulets,twoo in total with holes.

In fact we don’t know if D-signs are or could interpreted as D’s or R’s, (or the writer had knoledge of different interpretations),so we could have:

LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE ————————————————————————————— HeD,HeDu,EDe!,ED DiDoo=DiDou Eat,kid-goad,sweet GIVE(us)! ED/EDe! is meaning in the same time EAT! and KID-GOAT !(vocative) as tablet has the shape of a loaf of bread and depicted an kid-goat on pictographic tablet or —————————————— HERA,HEROa SE RRoo SeRRoo SEIRoo=Seirou HERO Flowed(50years);sermon,binding spell “of SUN” ….as oldest supposed name for sun was SEIR, and oldest attested association of Eta,Heta-Rho found on pot-sherds in Ras-Shamra,Thera and Sakkara whas thought to be MONOGRAM OF HERA or HEROS

HERA of the SUN HERO OF THE SUN

The oldest pair known was HERA wich name mean EARTH/LADY and consort ZEUS as SUN. In Thracia mounted HEROS was thought as HORUS the child kind of precursors of Christ, saviors (gr.SOTER) ——————————– Note, SEIR=SUN=SIRIUS,OSIRIS (Egypt USIR).The other aspect of the Sun, under-ground travelling,so associated with the Earth and an Fertility-associated God. HEROS and OSIRIS were long-time vast areas SAVIORS!

So people,have confidence and have own Universal moral and physical orientation reference system

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WHY SUCH A GREAT AMOUNT OF MISTERY AROUND TARTARIA TABLETS SUBJECT?

April 11, 2018

There are many questions wich allmost remained without responce: -It is writing, of wich kind? -It is proto-writing or writing; if writing,wich kind? -What is the period of time in wich were made? -Who was the supposed writer? -To wich culture partained tablets and he or her? -Are tablets real or fakes? -Why no scientist engaged in close research and give strait answers? ………….An other (more than ten) questions.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/2004509-first-civilisation-world-originated-balkans.html#ixzz5EFpnyKyJ The Danubian Neolithical cultures that makes the so-called Dabunian Civilisation (Vinca-Turdaș, Criș, Hamangia, Cucuteni, Gumelnița, Boian etc) were in fact the offsprings of migrations from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent toward Europe of early agricultors and the Vinca-Turdaș script, while the oldest system of writing in the world, didn’t developed in a large scale practice, there are no more than some hundreds discoveries of pottery shards and other pieces bearing (usually only one) such signs and the society wasn’t yet highly structured and hierarchized like the Sumerian one. And perhaps more important, the Vinca-Turdaș script was an isolated phenomenon, it disappeared with the end of this material culture (with some echos perhaps in the later Cucuteni culture).

From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-new-york-times-a-lost-european-culture-vlassa-tartaria-striga-istoria-sub-noi-oameni-buni/#comment-6635 : Sa nu ma atacati inainte de a trece o noapte. Nu stiu exact cum s-a intamplat, insa doar oasele au fost datate cu C14.Rezultatul este ca 99% din cercetatorii din lume stiu ca tablitele au fost datate.In consecinta,toti acestia iau de buna varsta de 5200 BC.Mai rau este ca toti incep sa-si modifice teoriile legate de neoliticul European si despre istoria Scrisului. Varsta aceasta poate sau nu fi adevarata. Insa toti ar trebui sa stie ca nu tablitele au fost datate ci numai oasele! In (forensic science) criminalistica vasta unui obiect nu se translateaza ca fiind aceeasi cu varsta unui alt obiect,chiar aflat in imediata vecinatate! Dupa cate am inteles in arheologie cand se poate cand nu, de cele mai multe ori da.Nu uitati ca in situl arheologic a fost haloimesul de pe lume.Nu s-a lucrat cf. tehnicilor actuale.asa daca ne gandim puteau pica din zeci de cm de mai sus.(Unii zic ca se lucra “la norma” si posibil Vlassa a luat tablitele din miile de obecte de-a lui Szofia Torma)Nimeni in lume si nicaieri nu a luat cineva vre-un pix in mana (cuneus) inainte de 3200-3500 BC.Nici macar ca sa faca tablite pictografice, darmite cu semne! Cu respect, ing. Eugen Rau Timisoara

I not agree the folowing!:The Hittites Quote:

Originally Posted by CARPATHIAN

The European population of Turdaș-Vinča culture discovered the writing and the metallurgy for the first time in human history and brought these discoveries to Mesopotamia where the Vinča Script was developed into the Cuneiform Script and the Sumerian culture has reached higher levels of development because of the hierarchization of society that brought the possibility of erecting imposing temples and cities. ———————————————————————————————————–

regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions

Radiocarbon dating – is it applicable to clay? Where are the tablets now? —Ghirla^-трёп- 04:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn’t. Radiocarbon dating may only be applied to organic artifacts. The original Tartaria tablets were of dried, unbaked clay. The Romanian scientists baked them in an oven, to avoid their decay, but any subsequent dating by thermoluminescence (which is the usual method for the age determnation of ceramic artifacts) became impossible.–Mazarin07(talk) 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The radio-carbon dating was performed not on the tablets themselves but on the bones with which they were found and with which they are presumed to have been buried. The article’s (currently) second external link is to a report dated 2004 of an investigation of the bones, tablets etc that dates the bones to a calibrated r-c span of 5370-5140BC. Incidentally, that report also corrects several of the original excavator’s incorrect assumptions which the article currently still contains. For example, the bones were not burnt, and are of an elderly female, not a male. I leave it to someone with more wiki-fu to study the report and update the article. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC) ——————————————————————————————————————————- To have the quickest possible responce to above questions, and have proper understanding, I will begin with the most important aspect,out of all others: – For a college (or above) level wiewer (no counting here scientists) something is shocking or striking : -There are three tablets wich normally distanced in time one of another 500-1000 years; could be showed and given to average cultural level people as kind of exemples for some of main steps/stages by wich evolved the writing:

1-tartaria-tablets-spoza (Periods of time are as raw refference) 1-Iconic stage,usually as before 3.500 B.C. 2-Proto-hierogliphic stage as between 3500(east)-2200(west) B.C. –Hierogliphic stage between 3.000(east)-2000(west) B.C. 3 –Syllabary, alphabetic stage between 2500(est)-1.500(west) B.C. One writer cannot know well all three systems of writing, but even so, cannot live in all above period/span of time. So there are only three explanations: 1.-the tablets are not related one with another 2.-the tablets are fakes 3–the tablets are made in later times (B.C.),by somebody who knew proper writing and also knew some-how ( kind of cultural transmission) some older signs and icons and some ideas/recollection of theyr meaning. He/her made another twoo as kind of school to stress the ancestor’s esteem and/or show how predecessors wrote. I am inclined to support the last hypothesis. ————————————————————————————- Some twelve years before, I saw for the first time the tablets pictures.After got knoledge of writing landscape and evolving, after 24 hrs. only I remained with the strong impression that on the round tablet we have signs as letters. I recognised many signs wich were used as letters in archaic greek alphabets.Despite this. I cannot identify all signs as letters in 100% proportion in any alphabet.Highest percentage in identifying work had carian folowed by old greek and iberian alphabets. Even for some years i had (and have) a reading upon archaic greek alphabets.Here I had the support of eteocretan alphabet and writing.later, one month before I could find all the signs of both written tablets (out of pictographic) using sumerian signs. Also I could use of cretan hierogliphic,Linear A/B signs for both tablets but encountered some difficulties (2 signs:bow+arrow and >>) at that round-one. I am not counting those hierogliphic-like,complex signs wich can be icons but as well ligatured letters. these very icons had the prime effect that one to keep scientists at distance because are also vave a mysterius appearance. In my understanding, Linear A/B begun in Aegean area and there also finished there.No gain large acceptance and not known or extended in Europe and other areas. After that, begun to be known better in Europe phoinikeia grammata “phoenician letters” with followers old hebrew and greek alphabet. But in the European people’s and cultural turmoil , different peoples addapted and gave their own and quite/slight different use of those signs. ————————————————————————————————- Very interesting, I saw one month before old runic Bulgarian alphabet and realised that I have many of signs there.But not gave proper attention.Taking account that there are some related issues between gothic,nordic and Balcan(Blugarian) areas, I realised that there were contacts between those cultures wich continued till christianism full emerged in Europe. See: From Scandinavia and the Balkans: Cultural Interactions with Byzantium …

https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1443882283Oksana Minaeva, ‎Lena Holmquist “The solar sign in the inscription also possesses the magical meaning of the character. In greek papyrus texts,it is a planetary symbol and denotes various vocalisations from the greek alphabet:usually H or T. ….In papyrus texts,the moon is also presented

This once again highlights the relationship between the discussed monument and Gothic literary culture discovered in present-day Bulgaria.47 The solar sign in the … 8 of the treasure from Nagyszentmiklós, which is dedicated to the complex nature of the Christian God according to Gnostic Christian views of Middle Eastern …”

ould be kind of contact between Cycladic Keros/Syros population and early “Servos” from near-by Serres.

From site: http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.ro/2011/04/bulgarian-alphabet.html

bulgar_runic_letters-1 ———————————————————————————————————————————- Even if I would begin such an attempt, another obstacle want to block my optimismus: The artefacts found near-by at the archeological site. Artefacts that wanting to speak that something is related to Aegean and specific to Cyclades area (don’t ask me why but my mind was focussed by the center of Cyclades, Keros-Syros islands): -one Spondyllus-shell bracelet -one figurine/statuettes made in Cyclades style -one alabaster footed-pot also in perfect cycladic style. Not to mention that in Aegean/Greek aereas were found hundred of tablets with proper writing, Linear A/B or archaic greek, in our area (Bulgaria-Serbia-Macedonia) a few written tablets , around or above five (e.g. Ezerovo ring-supposed thracian but no one clear read or deciphered) ———————————————————————————————-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet

Letters Heta/Eta-Rho :”HeRo,HeRa,HaR,Haro”=Hero,Lady,Charm,Death

Sign +++++ is +++ ? From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html Values of the vowels As for long and short vowels, only /e/ could have separate symbols for the two quantities, namely for “long e” and for “short e”. In fact in Greek spelling it was not even as simple as that. Ancient Greek had two “long e” sounds: low-mid [ɛː] and high-mid [eː]. In Greek denoted only the long low-mid sound; had to do duty for both the short sound and the long high-mid sound (until ει (ei) came to be used to denote /eː/ in the 5th century BCE). We see this in the Cretan Greek inscriptions from Dreros. Whether Eteocretan used similar spelling conventions or whether was always short, we have no way of knowing; all we can safely assume is that is always long. Values of consonants The consonants, for the most part, denoted the same phonemes as those denoted in the International Phonetic Alphabet by the Roman transcription shown in the table above; the only two exceptions are: 1.zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].
In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found. 2.semk: is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities: – As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/. – It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant [sʷ]].

Upper-Right quarter,signs: +++++ (i?)D(i?) D o o Letters: Se?Su? ( i)R(i) R o o

Reading: Surroo=Surrou Seirroo>Seirrou ;seiroo>seirrou

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sirius.html Such stars astronomers call seirious on account of the tremulous motion of their light;…….so that it would seem that the word, in its forms seir, seiros, and seirios, — Suidas used all three for both sun and star, — originally was employed to indicate any bright and sparkling heavenly object, but in the course of time became a proper name for this brightest of all the stars.

From Hermes Scythicus Or the Radical Affinities of the Greek and Latin …https://books.google.ro/books?id=LFRmAAAAcAAJ … “Syr, or Seir,” he adds, “which the Persians “employed to denominate the sun, seems to be “ the same with Thor, only in a different dialect. “The ancient people of the north …

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13 Jul 2004 – be understood as the sun, shining on the male head or king and the ear of grain … The peculiar name Seyr for Zeus may have a correspondence in the Hittite … well worthy of Zeus, who was the supreme Greek god already in ..

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25 Aug 2001 – Please respond to the idea that “Seir = Sun“…. that’s all I really … Sirius was the name of the dog that accompanied the Greek Hero > Orion!

6. eugenrau https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/829170-tablithele-de-la-tartaria/page__st__90 Posted 28 October 2012 – 00:21 seir=seiros=xeros=ca si xerox=rom/uscator; en./schorcherer=a fost aplicat in vechime atat pentru soare cat si pentru sirius

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AC seira:”cord, rope”

From Queen of heaven (antiquity) – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(antiquity) Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). In Greco-Roman …

So,possible: Hera Sun(Zeus) Hero Sirius(Osiris) >> pre-Christ.? Hera Syrrou (lady from Syria/Syros?) …..there’are saying in Bible that christianism was brought by a Syrian woman HaR Seirrou chord of Charm (Har<>charis) chord/rope of <=>of Sun/Sirius/Hera

seir<!>seira ; thrac.syros:”pit”(osiris burial/rebirth?)

Surrou<>Surriou<>Surya/Svar/Suar

Note: “rr” is for “rho” and “oo” used before-time changed to “ou” and in some cases “omega” ; rroo=rhou (rom.rau=river):”flow,course” from v.”rheo” (could be also Hora rrou=”flow of” time)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥ – Wiktionary

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥

Also OSIRIS:

From http://www.zoniana.gr/name_en.htm ZOULIANA – ZOUTOLAKKO – ZONIANA In this way Zas (Zeus) became both the founder and godfather of the village. When he died, he was buried there and from his tomb, his pit which is a synonym of his grave, the place was named “Zou’s Pit” (“Zeu’s Pit’’), in other words Zou’s (Zeus) grave. For instance a common phrase in Greek used when someone is at death’s door is that ‘He/she has one foot in the grave’ or when someone is already dead that ‘He/she has filled one’s pit’. Soon enough this name prevailed and until the second decade of the 19th century it was named “Zou’s Pit’ (Tou Zou to Lakko) and that is how Zouliana was named and still is the afore-mentioned neighbourhood. In this way it becomes clear that both names ZOULIANA and ZOYTOLAKKO derive from ZA which is one of the numerous names of ZEUS; among other names he was called Zeus, Dias, Zas, Zis, Zan, Dan, Tan, etc. Today the village is named Zoniana which name also derives from Zeus as we will find out. The village’s inhabitants, the so-called Zoulakkianoi or Zoulakkites, when they wanted to say: “Oh my God” (as we say today) or “Listen to me God”, they used to say: “Zone God” (Zone Thee) or “Listen to me Zone God” (Listen to me Zone Thee). Only Zoulakkianoi used this kind of appeal to address God. The inhabitants of Anogeia used to say: “Zane God” (Zane Thee

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KOGAION, AION and ION.Origin and linguistic relations.

April 7, 2018

KOGAION, AION and ION.Origin and linguistic relations.

They’re origin it is in the deepest time. From The Nostratic Macrofamily: A Study in Distant Linguistic Relationship https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3110139006 Allan R. Bomhard, ‎John C. Kerns

Pokorny 1959:517-518 *kago-, *kogo-, -a- ‘goat‘; Walde 1927-1932.1:336-337 *qago-, *qogo-, -a-; Mann 1984-1987:459 *kag- ‘goat, kid, goatskin‘; …

Sumerians used to associate an particle as an etiquette to gods and kings,

For gods at the begining there was written the sign DINGIR:”GOD” with the sign star *.

Linguists when read a text put at the begining of word the equivalent latin sign D.

For kings they usually associate an enhacement part to be understood sacred,god-like:

Lugal+ Name+ Kuga

man-great Name high,pure,sacred

Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988 –

Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig“

For supposed name KOGAION wich seems an distorted new name, could be interpreted shortly

1.KUGA-ION :”Grandfather-Ion”because in Lycian Kuga is for grandfather.

You will ask: and what we have in common with Lycians?

*They say that the common origin of Romanians and Latin People it is in Lidia and Lycia.

Romans thought and were learned at school that they came from Lidia and theyr ancestor was Ludus.

Romanian knows that Dacians were related to wolf as theyr stindard/standard was.Lycos in greek is for wolf (thought as having sparkling,shining eyes in the night (gr.Lycos/shine,lat.it.Luce, light,rom.”a luci” to shine).

2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “temple,sacred aabode of Ion” because

MUSAION,or HERAION are MUSA+AION,HERA+AION fixed place,temple of MUSA(arts) or HERA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon was the holy mountain of the Geto-Dacians, the place where Zalmoxis stayed in an underground cave for three years. After his disappearance into Kogaionon, he was considered dead by the Getae but after three years he resurrected and showed himself to the people, who became convinced by his holy preaching when he emerged from Kogaionon.

Strabo claims that a river with the same name flowed in the vicinity.

One modern translation of Kogaionon is “sacred mountain”, which would be connected to a probable Dacian word kaga meaning “sacred”, attested in two early 2nd century inscriptions from Tomis.

ion,gr.”mooving”, aion:”fixed” aionon:”infinite time,eternal”

So Kogaionon it has twoo meanings at the same time:

koga-aionon :sacred-eternal and sacred-Ion’s temple or rather of God of infinite time,Aion.

In fact KOGAION it is not distorted because KOGA is a linguistics shift common in I.European languages and not only:

GOGA > KOGA.

Goga has the origin at king GUGU name known as Gyges.

GUG/GOG it is an I.European root wich signify “round,great,swelled,high”

Also has the meaning of ruller (IE root Ag) : DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”ruller of people”.

Relative to Ion,was an ancestor of greek and latin people like Pelegus (“pelasgian”) but much older.

Because Ion is related to Oannes an this to Sky/God “AN” or chtonik En-Ki.

KUGA-ION is like KUGA-AN wich is wrong,not the case because KUGA-AN is sumerian equivalent of God Azag,an underground,death-land god of Death.Instead KUGA-an-na.

only 1 second:———————————————————————————————————

Not only have GODEANU mountain range (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?)

Encyclopedia of Beasts and Monsters in Myth, Legend and Folklore
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane

Variations: BULL OF HEAVEN, Gugalana A monstrous bull from ancient Sumer, Gudanna (“an attacker”) was described as being gigantic and having breath so poisonous it could kill two hundred warriors at a time. …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna

In Sumerian religion, Gugalanna is the first husband of Ereshkigal, the queen of the Underworld.

——————————————————————————————————- Instead KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacred,pure-god-sky”

An(En) + An = Lord,god+Sky —————————————

Nowdays asian people have kogea > trk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”somehow abnormal,exceseeve big”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja

Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) is an honorific title used across the Middle East, South Asia, Southeast Asia and Central Asia, particularly towards Sufi teachers. The word comes from the Iranian word khwāja (New Persian: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) and translates as “master”, “lord” or in archaic sense “gentleman”. The spellings hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] are also used. The name is also used in Egypt and Sudan to indicate a person with a foreign nationality or foreign heritage. Khawaja is also a surname amongst ethnic Kashmiris.

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*Note

I want to make things and issues clear,so I don’t know (only have personal soughts and ideas):

1. what kind of people,genetics,from where came OLD EUROPE/Danubian/Vinca-Turdas culture people

2.When, and by wich route/way came “proper Ind-Europeans”

3.if lycians ,lidians were native Anatolians, relatives of Hittites,or distant-relative of Sumerians

4.if they migrated to Europe or there was early Danubian migrations to Anatolia (as Bruges>Phrigians supposed were)

5.How many main waves of supposed agriculturalist people from Sumer or Anatolia were and when

6.if relative small groups of sumerians or Anatolians come in Serbia and Dacia in search for metals; if they used as primary skill metal working not agricultural-one.

7. if Dacians were, and in what degree related to Lycians,Guttians(people from Zagros M.tains wich concured Sumer).

8.what was exactly relation of Danubians with Aegeans. ———————————————————————————————– From https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Alexandru_I._Odobescu_-_Opere_alese._Volumul_2_-_Scrieri_istorice%2C_istorico-literare%2C_filologice%2C_folklorice%2C_arheologice%2C_etc..pdf < Radu cel frumos este, poate, Domnul care lasa inteinsa $i o tipsie de argint (de 29 centimetre in diametru), ce se pastreaza si pana azi, purtand pe cercul buzii, gravatd, Cu litere slavone mari si frumos taiate, urmätoarea in- scriptie :
mldia bjdeia lo Radul Voevoda i gn. vdsei zemli Un- grovlah,iskoi sn blcitvago i hrotliubivago lo Vlada Veli-kago Voevoda.
Adica :
t Cu mils. lui Dumnezeu, Io Radul Voevod si Domn al toatei Orel
Ungrovlahiei, fiul preacuviosului si de Hristos iubitorului Io Vlad
marele Voevod. >

From https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/kago Dictionary: κἀγώ Greek transliteration: kagō “and I, I also, but I”, a crasis of και and ἐγώ, dat., κἀμοι, acc., κἀμέ

Din κάγα: un important cuvânt dacic¹https://archive.is/y4i7N

Heroi sacrum
Ti(berius) Claudius Mu-
casius v(otum) s(olvit) l(ibens) m(erito)
Hερώϊι (sic!) ΚΑΤΑ Τι(βέριος)
Κλαύδιος Μου-
κάσιος εὐξάμ[ε-
νος καθιέρωσε[ν

Ofrandă lui Heros. Tiberius Claudius Mucasius şi-a îndeplinit juruinţa, cu dragă inimă şi pe bună dreptate “. Formula de încheiere, abrevierea V•S•L•M bine cunoscută epigrafiştilor, indică limpede o inscripţie votivă⁶. Iată însă ce spune acelaşi Tiberius Claudius, de data aceasta în greceşte: ” Lui Ērōs KATA. Tiberios Claudios Mukasios a consacrat (după cum) a promis “. Dacă, aşa cum am văzut, varianta latină este limpede, în cea greacă apare în schimb acest KATA, neexplicat satisfăcător de nici unul din editorii inscripţiei. Primul dintre ei, Gr. Tocilescu, încercând, la 1895, să-i dea totuşi un înţeles plauzibil, îl consideră pe KATA un adjectiv al lui Ērōi şi propune – de aceea – interpretarea lui drept o prescurtare a unui κατα(χθόνιος) “subpământean”, un epitet ori o ipostază a zeului. În lipsa unei alte explicaţii mai consistente propunerea a fost acceptată de toţi editorii ulteriori – şi admisă în literatura de specialitate. Ea are însă cel puţin două mari neajunsuri care atrag atenţia: 1. mai întâi ar presupune o diferenţă considerabilă între variantele latină şi greacă ale dedicaţiei, căci kata(chthōnios) “subpământean” lipseşte din textul latin, în timp ce acesta conţine pe sacrum “jertfă“, inexistent în versiunea greacă. 2. abrevierea kata pentru katachthōnios ar reprezenta un “dublu unicat”: pe de o parte ar fi singura oară când acest cuvânt s-ar prescurta astfel în inscripţiile greceşti, pe de alta acesta ar fi singurul loc în care zeul epihoric Hērōs ar fi numit “subpământean”. Toate aceste dificultăţi ar fi putut fi evitate dacă atât Tocilescu, cât mai ales editorii de mai târziu, ar fi privit cu mai multă atenţie piatra pe care, aşa cum se poate vedea în fig.1 şi 2, lapicidul a scris nu ΚΑΤΑ , ci ΚΑΓΑ !

Begin. Tab. I. A. Α̈̓ιδιοτης, æternitas, perpetuitas. [A Greek-Latin …

https://books.google.ro/books?id=yMj0KJZIndoC

Kaga , tondeo: scindo, abscindo : populor, vasto: in saciabili edacitate voro.

Cata- | Define Cata- at Dictionary.com

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cata-

Cata- definition, a prefix meaning “down,” “against,” “back,” occurring originally in … Greek kata-, combining form of katádown, through, against, according to, … this prefix is found in English mostly in words borrowed through Latin after c.1500.

me: Lui Ērōs prin/catre Tiberios Claudios Mukasios cum a promis ” INSCRIPTIA ESTE IN LIMBA GREACA; IN GREACA NU EXISTA KAGA

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VINCA-TURDAS CIVILISATION (THEIR) SIGNS, GODS AND SOUNDS (~ 5000 B.C.)

April 3, 2018

From ancientpages.com,

From alamy.com

https://el-libertario.webnode.es/_files/200005567-5afb95c527/Figurilla%20Vinca.JPG

“D” shape was for the idea of light ? and sounded “Di”?

From The Roots of the Sanskrit Language – jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/2935779

by WD Whitneye ….. du, 1 di, burn. Not in RV. dus, spoil. In V., only caus. and derivatives. duh, milk, derive. 1 dr, pierce, split. drp, rave, talk big. drg, see. Lacks a pres.-system.

From https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e7/b3/27/e7b327dd67e6703ffaf326e49919ebb3.jpg Gr.βόωψ boōps “cow-eyes”; europos “big-eyes”

From https://www.videomaker.com/article/c13/14089-the-eye-light An eye light is a light that creates a small sparkle of light reflected from the eye’s surface, giving sparkle to the subject’s eyes. Without the eye light, the eyes would seem lifeless and unemotional.

From Psalms, Proverbs – Page 555 – Google Books Result https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1414398883

Mark Futato, ‎George M. Schwab, ‎Philip W. Comfort -15:30 A cheerful look. Precisely, “the light of the eyes.” “Light” is equated with life in 4:18; 6:23; 13:9.

[PDF]Derivatives of Nostratic Root Morpheme *Ya – “To Shine, To Glow, To …

www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/9116/8803 *dī– “to shine, to glimmer”

From New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection

new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html Sum. di ‘to shine’, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’, Skr. dī– ‘to shine, be bright’, dina ‘day’, Armenian tiw ‘day’, Luwian Tiwat- ‘Sun god’, …

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws – Wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws

*dyew- (“sky, heaven”); *dyew- > *diw– (zero-grade) > *deyw-

EVIDENCE OF MINOAN ASTRONOMY AND CALENDRICAL PRACTICES Marianna Ridderstad https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0910/0910.4801.pdf Another likely celestial symbol is the ‘eye’ with very prominent ‘eye-lashes’ (CHIC:387). The ‘eye’ is sometimes depicted as ‘rising’ over a (horizon?) line, which casts the doubt that it, too, is a solar symbol (CHIC #314). This may be related to the later belief of the sun as the eye of Zeus (Olcott 1914:288).

ANTONN BARTONEK T H E PHONIC EVALUATIO N OF THE S- AND Z- SIGNS IN MYCENAEA N https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/bitstream/handle/11222.digilib/110060/E_ArchaeologicaClassica_09-1964-1_8.pdf?sequence=1 Lurja, while treating this question, starts with refusing—first in his article Opyt ctenija pilosskikh nadpisej, Vest, drevnej istorii 1955, vol. 3, pp. 8-36, but mainly in his work Jazyk i kultura 50 sqq.—to ascribe the D- series of Mycenaean signs the explosive character. He believes that due to a pre-Greek substratum there had occurred in Mycenaean several phonic changes which most Greek dialects did never fully accomplish and of which only a very few odd traces were left in the Classical Era; thus assuming the shift of the proto-Greek d into some kind of (d)z he transcribes all Ventris’s D- signs as Z-signs, and goes on designating in this connection Ventris’s Z- series—not quite convincingly—as “C- series”, ascribing it with an all-round validity the phonetic value of a “soft (palatalized) variant” of the phone k.2…………………………………………1. It is probable that the very adoption of the Linear Script for rendering Greek witnessed already the tendency of reproducing with the Z- spelling all phonic formations governed by the so-called second assibilation, i. e. the voiced substitute for the original j-, -dj-, -gj-, on the one hand [this substitute being very likely at that time not far from the affricate dz going back to d’d’], and the voiceless substitute for the inter-morphemic -t(h)j- or for any -k(h)j- and -tw-, on the other hand [the latter substitute being again probably not far from the affricate tj going back to t’t’]; in either of these cases the Z- series of signs was employed just to express rather the purely palatal, i . e. the still non-affricate, shade of the two substitutes, a shade that was just in all probability disappearing…………………..The couple of affricate phonemes ts, dz, which formed counterparts as to voice. Their phonetic character underwent the following pre-Mycenaean and Mycenaean process of evolution: from various original formations through t’t’ [which absorbed also k’k’] and through d’d’ [absorbing also g’g’ and evidently even a part of the initial proto-Greek j’-], 5 4 then through tj [which had very likely directly absorbed the original tiv] and through dz, assuming finally the forms ts, dz………………………16.The most important exceptions: Central Cretan, Boeotian, Laconian, Elean and the Thessaliotic subdialect of Thessalian with their DD(!deltadelta), or later TT—all this being, of course, only a special continuation of the affricate dz.

Nominal composition in Mycenaean Greek – Wiley Online Library

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-968X.00100/pdf Mycenaean Greek is given and a classification attempted. Thereafter, issues in their phonology …. compound must not be considered `rien autre qu’une varieÂteÂ de la formation des noms, au meÃme titre que la ….. pu2-ru might be interpreted as `having white eye-brows’ (leyko3w and o1ýry9w), but the presence of ro still …

Me: !! Linear A sign *79 (‘eye’) Linear A, “ZU”

https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/linear-a-scribal-hands-wa-wi-za-ze-zo-zu.jpg

In other place thay say it is “DO” http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TEOGfd1eE3I/AAAAAAAAAeM/RF7U_QatvuY/s320/Minoan-seals-01.jpg

minoan-seals-01

From http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2009/09/ This exclusion rule can be applied to the Linear A sign *79 (‘eye’) to show why it cannot represent the value ‘ZU’ (that was assigned to it by John Younger et al.). The case-ruling example we find on the tablet ZA4,row a.5 where the term QE-SI-*79-E can be read. The same name recurs on tablet ZA15. Now, if the reading of *79 were ‘ZU’, we would rather expect an ending ZU-WE (with a not well characterised linear A WE sign) and NOT ZU-E. On the other hand, the value suggested and used by many (e.g Glen Gordon) for this linear A sign: ‘DO’, fits perfectly, as DO-E is absolutely possible. But the case of LinA *79 has to approached with care. Apparently, there are two distinct LinearB signs (*79 and *14) corresponding to single cluster (*79) Linear A. I label it as a cluster, as it contains signs of very variable design: it is easily possible that there are two signs lumped into a single cluster: at least one of these is (with resonably high probability) is the Linear A counterpart of Linear B ‘DO’ sign (LinB *14).

From http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/05/how-many-linear-signs-do-we-have.html BayndorJune 4, 2010 at 8:50 AM

I must admit, if my derivation of the Lin A *79 is peculiar, then the theory on the ‘TO’ sign must sound straightforwardly strange. It is an ‘I don’t have any better idea’ type of theory. Because Hieroglyphics features a sign: ‘bovine head in front’, that is not even uncommon, it must have a Linear A descendant. But if one checks it – based on shape, frequency and distribution – there are only two viable candidates: TO or DI. While I could not remove sign DI from the list of possible readings, it is only the TO sign that admits a good etymology. If we go with the reading DO (from *tau) for the ‘eye’, then a clearly parallel derivation would be the value TO for the ‘bull’ sign (from *thaura). I only thought of this second one, because it could prove a regular development of *aw diphtongs in Minoan into *o. Unfortunately, I could not meaningfully analyse the PO sign (as I don’t know what it depicts), or the RO sign. On the other hand, the KO sign might depict a coriander seed, but we cannot approach it from an etymological direction (as the origins of the word coriander [Lin B KO-RI-JA-DA-NA] are obscure). Otherwise, if we don’t accept the reading DO for Lin A*79, we could still try a similar value like DWA. That would not invalidate the etymology, and could give a solution for the pressing problem of having two Linear B signs when Lin A had just one.

From Various Versions of the Linear A Libation Formula, again, but now in …

http://www.academia.edu/…/Various_Versions_of_the_Linear_A_Libation_Formula_again_… Next, na-ta-n$-ti6 (with a solar variant of L 101 or AB 79 zu in its, against the background of its origin from the Cretan hieroglyphic “eye” [= solar symbol, cf. the “all … Anatolian go the same way, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyw%C3%B3s Anatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”)

Lycian: ziw
Lydian: Divi-
Luwian: tiwat (“a sun god”)
Palaic: tiyaz, tiuna But Luwians gos that eye sign to mean eye.Ti,eye,related to I.E.di/ti root for light:”ti6”=eye

3 articles on Celtiberian (Sasamón), Luwian hieroglyphic (Mira), and … http://www.academia.edu/…/3_articles_on_Celtiberian_Sasamón_Luwian_hieroglyphic_Mir… another early Cretan hieroglyphic inscription in combina- tion with the spider4 as an alternative means to render the titular expression usually occurring in form of 044-046 “trowel-adze” or 044-005 “trowel-eye” pi-tı¯ or pi-ti6 = Egyptian bi’ty “king” (Fig. 6). Furthermore, it ultimately …

From Pre-Mycenaean Greeks in Crete | iurii mosenkis – Academia.edu

http://www.academia.edu/24600947/Pre-Mycenaean_Greeks_in_Crete qu > z (Linear A zo ‘spear’ and zu ‘eye‘) similar to Phrygian qu > k (que > ke,Mycenaean que, Greek te).

From http://new-indology.blogspot.ro/2016/12/sumerian-and-indo-european-multifarious.html Nirjhar00727 December 2016 at 04:13

This is interesting . We already had the related discussion . In Sumerian there is UTU , in epsd it is given as utu-e3 “sunrise” , utu-šu2-uš; utu-šuš2 “sunset; the West”. There is also a ki’utu [LOCUS] ki-dutu “a cultic location; a ritual”. Not sure about the ritual . but if we read Bomhard there he gives this :
233. Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay– (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy– (~ *t’ey-):
(vb.) *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to
burn brightly’;
(n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;
Kota ti·y- (ti·c-) ‘to be singed, roasted’; Toda ti·y- (ti·s-) ‘to be singed’, ti·y-
(ti·c-) ‘to singe, to roast’; Kannaḍa tī ‘to burn, to scorch, to singe, to
parch’; Telugu tīṇḍrincu, tī͂ḍirincu ‘to shine’, tīṇḍra ‘light, brightness,
heat’; Brahui tīn ‘scorching, scorching heat’, tīrūnk ‘spark’. Burrow—
Emeneau 1984:285, no. 3266.
B. Proto-Indo-European *t’ey-/*t’oy-/*t’i- ‘to shine, to be bright’: Sanskrit
dī́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’, devá-ḥ ‘(n.) a deity, god; (adj.) heavenly, divine’, dyótate ‘to
shine, to be bright or brilliant’, dyáuḥ ‘heaven, sky, day’, divá-ḥ ‘heaven,
sky, day’, divyá-ḥ ‘divine, heavenly, celestial; supernatural, wonderful,
magical; charming, beautiful, agreeable’, dīpyáte ‘to blaze, to flare, to
shine, to be luminous or illustrious; to glow, to burn’, dīptá-ḥ ‘blazing,
flaming, hot, shining, bright, brilliant, splendid’, dína-ḥ ‘day’; Greek δῖος
‘heavenly; noble, excellent; divine, marvelous’, Ζεύς ‘Zeus, the sky-god’;
Armenian tiw ‘day’; Latin diēs ‘day’, deus ‘god’; Old Irish die ‘day’; Old
Icelandic teitr ‘glad, cheerful, merry’, tívorr (pl. tívar) ‘god’; Old English
Tīw name of a deity identified with Mars; Lithuanian dienà ‘day’, diẽvas
‘god’, dailùs ‘refined, elegant, graceful’; Old Church Slavic dьnь ‘day’;
Hittite (dat.-loc. sg.) šiwatti ‘day’, (gen. sg.) ši-(i-)ú-na-aš ‘god’; Luwian
(acc. pl.) ti-wa-ri-ya ‘sun’, (nom. sg.) Ti-wa-az name of the sun-god (=
Sumerian ᵈUTU, Akkadian ŠAMŠU, Hittite Ištanu-); Hieroglyphic Luwian
SOL-wa/i-za-sa (*Tiwats or *Tiwazas) name of the sun-god; Palaic (nom.
sg.) Ti-ya-az(-)…..,,,
C. Etruscan tin ‘day’, tiu, tiv-, tiur ‘moon, month’; Rhaetic tiu-ti ‘to the
moon’.
Sumerian dé ‘to smelt’, dé, dè, dè-dal ‘ashes’, dè, diû ‘glowing embers’, dèdal-
la ‘torch’, diû ‘to flare up, to light up; to be radiant, shining; to sparkle, to
shine’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
……………………………………………………………………. Perhaps we have an Indo-European related Sun divinity in Sumerian?. So, my theory(someh-how like the big-bang theory wich by common-sense reasoning advanced this hipothesys of an original emergency point)’ -so in a simylar way, but with twoo way strong evidences, in the same way I go back trough the time: -pre euphratean stage,UNKNOWN ! Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay- (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy- (~ *t’ey-) Proto-Euphratean (n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;
Euphratean Sum. di ‘to shine‘, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’ -proto Indo-european stage *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to burn brightly’ Anatolian IAnatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”) -proper IE stage,Sanskrit
dī́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’ Averrage aproximate time-line(by me) Proto-Nostratic-Nostratic15.000-12.000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languagesThe hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.[2] Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period.[3] Proto-euphratean (unknown) :12.000-7000 BC ! OLD EUROPE! Mixed Euphratean-Proto-I.E. -Archaic Sumero-tamil stage:7000-3500 BCOLD EUROPE! Proto-Aegean/EBA Cycladic stage:3500-2500 B.C. Full IE:2500-1500 B.C. (2500 Minoan was not full-IE) Anatolian(Indo-Hittite) 2500-1000 B.C. Minoan/mixed/unknown/Linear A:2500-2000 Eteocretan,Hieroglyphic Cretan Linear B 2.200-1000B.C.(start of greek language) Archaic Greek:1500-500 BC; Homeric: 500BC >1 Koine:1> 500A.D. ******************* Danubian/Old European Gods **************************** Despite the fact that T’ay /t’iy/t’ey/t’ei/T’iy/T’iy-a/Ti, And could have such a “T/Ti” deity,there are many evidences of a linguistic change, Ti > Di so as had egyptians Ti related deities,we could hav an IE “Di” starting deity.In such long-distance ancient times they not have an structured-organised panteon of gods by logical order.They had (many?) deities folowing not a structured order,but folowing exact their stringent practical needs (warm,feeding..) So ,out of other many possible Gods and Goddesses and their denominations,(e.g.Bird-Mother-Goddess)this-one could be one of their gods related to living(easy catch fish feeding): BelBrdo/Serbia=(brdo/twrdo”whirlpool)” 6500BC old dwelling Danube site :http://portalenportalen.blogspot.com/2015/02/vinca-culture.html DAG :”(make a living=fertility)god”?With some-how celestian origin, DAG-AN: (shine-sky):“Sky-God”(old hebrew DAGON)? Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure This “creature”is the same with : http://www.pagannews.com/cgi-bin/wpgods3.pl?Dagon From Nostratic Etymological Index Cover – bulgari-istoria http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/NostraticEtymologicalIndex.pdf Proto–Nostratic (n.) *da- ‘mother, sister‘; (reduplicated) (n.) *da-da- ‘mother, sister’ (nursery words). 144. Proto–Nostratic root *dab- (~ *dǝb-):. (vb.) *dab- ‘to make fast, to join together, to fit together, to fasten (together)‘;. (n.) *dab-a ‘joining, fitting, fastening’. 145. Proto–Nostratic root *dag– (~ *dǝg-):. (vb.) dag– ‘to put, to place, … From Dagon – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon A long-standing association with the word for “fish” dâg, perhaps going back to the Iron Age, has led to an interpretation as a “fish-god”, and the association of “merman” motifs in Assyrian art (such as the “Dagon” relief found by Austen Henry Layard in the 1840s). The god’s name was, however, more likely derived from a … From Diakonoff – External Connections of the Sumerian Language | Plural …https://www.scribd.com/…/Diakonoff-External-Connections-of-the-Sumerian-Langua… … question (probably the Proto–Indo–Europeans); the new tribes ousted the backward ….. 15. dag ‘clean,washed‘, dadag ‘clean’ 16. ene, ane … From Sumerian Lexicon https://azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/pan_turkist…/sumeriandictionaryreliable.pdf by JA Halloran – ‎ Sumerian…… dág: brilliant; pure; clean (‘to go out’ + aga(3), ‘diadem, circlet, crown’). dig: v., to … From New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure‘, PIE *dhagwh- ‘to burn, shine‘, Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch dag, Gothic dags ‘day’, Tocharian A tsāk- ‘to shine, give light’, AB cok ‘lamp’, Old Irish daig ‘fire’, Old Prussian dagis ‘summer’, Lith. degti ‘to burn’, Skt. dahati ‘to burn’,dagdha ‘burnt’, …

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TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,Upper half,astonishing findings.

April 2, 2018

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET, UPPER HALF,ASTONISHING FINDINGS

TartRound

From https://cogniarchae.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/tablet.jpg?w=300&resize=559%2C372

Archeologists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini and others) after detailed analysis of on-field conditions and circumstances along with the artefacts found close-by advanced as possible story or scenario that is one of the folowings :
– an death/burial or hero/ancestor worshipping ritual
– an foundation ritual
– an usual/common religious,propitiating ritual for some God(s) performed by the Lady Tartaria=priestess when alive.
See at the finish of my paper excerpts from different related studies.
See the left quarter,
http://www.omda.bg/uploaded_files/images/ezernia-grad/5.jpg

Firs sign is (see folowing image,…Nu,6,3-rd)?
all-unknown-cretan-seal-symbols

Also,see https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cretan-tablet-malia-palace-map-hi-021.jpg

in linear A the sign “NU” http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/S_qxpdDgI3I/AAAAAAAAAbA/QcXKTDMye5A/s160 Image from https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/wheat/

0/Linear-A-base.jpg

If linear A “NU” is like folowing,
https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/linear-a-n-series-of-syllabograms.jpg

PDF https://azargoshnasp.net › sumd › sumeri…
by JA Halloran
B. Alster, Proverbs of Ancient Sumer: The World’s Earliest Proverb Collections, 2 vols; …… nud, nú: to lie down; to lie together with ( with -da-); to lay down (with -ni-); to sleep; to …

Linear A,”PA2=PAi”?
https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/minoan-linear-a-keyboard-assignments620.jpg?w=640

Folowing sign has the shape of D or P.But that letter “D,De.Di”was not invented yet!
So we take the sign as MOON/MONTH, with the reading MINI,MINU gr.MENE/MENO
So NU-MENO.Here it is appearing the word “NUMENO/NUMENO”
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor of another greek-one)

I renounce to take the sign as linear A “NU”.Just in case,as a kind of testing:

So: NU + Moon sign (MENE/MENO?)
What NUMENO stand for? So NU-MENO.This is the little known lat.NUMEN
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor ov another greek-one)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numen#Definition_as_a_pre-animistic_phase_of_religion
Numen, pl. numina, is a Latin term for “divinity”, or a “divine presence”, “divine will.” The Latin authors defined it as follows.[1] Cicero writes of a “divine mind” (divina mens), a god “wh
Etymology
Etymologically, the word means “a nod of the head”, here referring to a deity as it were “nodding”, or making its will or its presence known). According to H. J. Rose:
The literal meaning is simply “a nod”, or more accurately, for it is a passive formation, “that which is produced by nodding”, just as flamen is “that which is produced by blowing”, i.e., a gust of wind. It came to mean “the product or expression of power” — not, be it noted, power itself.[8]
Thus, numen (divinity) is not personified (although it can be a personal attribute) and should be distinguished from deus (god).[9]
Definition as a pre-animistic phase of religion
The expression Numen inest appears in Ovid’s Fasti (III, 296) and has been translated as ‘There is a spirit here’.[12] Its interpretation, and in particular the exact sense of numen has been discussed extensively in the literature.[13]
The supposition that a numinous presence in the natural world supposed in the earliest layers of Italic religion, as it were an “animistic” element left over in historical Roman religion and especially in the etymology of Latin theonyms,….

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https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0879722584 William B. Fischer “Nume” may be intended to suggest, in addition, both Latin “numen,” meaning “god” or “divinity,” and Greek “noumenon,” a true ideal or entity perceived by the rational faculty, … Thus, for example, they find it necessary to give the Earthmen terrestrial equivalents of their own time units: “When will [the departure] take place?

But we don’t know for shure if the sign H with 3 bars is from cretan hieroglyphic or Linear A/B.
In linear B it stands for PA3. From https://www.tumblr.com/search/syllabaries

I new that PA,

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology Dictionary
https://www.etymonline.com/word/*pa-

.*pā-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to protect, feed.” It forms all or part of: antipasto; appanage; bannock; bezoar; companion; company; feed; fodder; food; forage; foray; foster; fur; furrier; impanate; pabulum; panatela; panic (n.2) “type of grass;” pannier; panocha; pantry; pastern; pastor; pasture; pester; repast; satrap.

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=2061roto-IE:
*pāy- Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology

Meaning: to guard, to graze, to feed
Hittite: pahs- (pahhas-) (II) ‘schützen, verwahren’ (Friedrich 153)
Old Indian: pati, ptc. pāta-, pāna-, aor. apāsīt `to watch, keep, preserve’; pā́- (in comp.) m. `keeping, guarding’, pāyú- m. `guard, protector’, pāla- m. `guard, protector, keeper’, pāvan- (in comp.) `protecting’, pātár- n. `defending, defender’; nŕ̥-pīti- f. `protection of men’, nr̥-pa- m. `protector of men, king’
Old Greek: ep. pōü, -eos n. `Schafherde’, poimen, -énos m. `Hirt, Schafhirt’, pói̯mnǟ f. `(Schaf)herde’; pō̂ma n. `Deckel (an Kasten, Krügen, Köchern etc.)’

PA, as single,could mean (PA,proto indoeuropean root for protection):
gods | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
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Then on the second line he uses the ideogram for “she goat”, again followed by the number 1 and by the syllabogram PA right truncated. If all this seems a mystery to you, it is not to me. The syllabogramPA right truncated on the second line almost certainly means pasi teoi = to all the gods, which in turn implies sapaketeriya …

If so,:PA+ MENO. My first association is gr. POIMEN :”shepperd”

Foreword: The return of ethnographic theory – The University of …
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.14318/hau1.1.001
shepherd of people” (in Greek, poimen laon), the term laos expressing a personal bond between king as guide …. the plurality of life and its beings appears as a singularity and b) a figure of vital externality, through ….. eventfulness embedded within images [1990b]; the partial and non-linear nature of knowledge [1991a]); .
..
But is PAMEN with PA not with O,besides it is appearing I.No problem with I cause PA could be read Pa.Pai etc.

[PDF]F I L I P P O F E R L A U T O
http://www.dtesis.univr.it/documenti/OccorrenzaIns/…/matdid501333.pdf
; questi segni avevano valore …. (a, e, i, o, u) per sillabe aperte (consonante + vocale) quali聽pa, pe, pi, po, pu, … indica la quantit, n tanto meno il grado di apertura che la quantit.

I found written form PA-MEN (=Poimen?)=”Shepperd?”

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm
KN He (06) 03 is a medallion with two faces inscribed and two numbers. One of the faces reads:
Pa–me–ni po-lo 100
The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos)
Please also note that the pictogram for pa looks like a house (cf. Minoan pa-na-so,
place of the house/temple)

https://www.scribd.com/doc/56265843/Linear-B-Lexicon
Po-me=poimen po-me-no=poimenos, po-me-ne=poimenei

!! This shepperd is the very silhuette on pictographic tablet found together with the other twoo tablets.(Also there you have the grain sign “TE”,and kind of ibex/wild goat)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
Gr.NEMOs
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
The reading of the left quarter is PA-MENO (cf.pameni,pammenos =pan/pam menos=all months)
THIS YEAR http://www.omda.bg/uploaded_files/images/ezernia-grad/7.jpg

“PROTECT, GRAZE, TO FEED, POIMEN/Shepperd” are consistent with the pictographic tablet found near-by (out of total of three),On the tablet there are depiced: an vegetal motif, kind of human silhuette? and a goat.

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RIGHT SIDE (RIGHT QUADRANT)

Upper sign, +++++,it is grain,wheat,sitos,”TE” From https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B004_TE.svg

As has more than three strokes (5 or ^) Could be Te-TE?

See sign “TE” in Linear A:
http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

Definition of “inscription” By convention, an “inscription” is defined as two or more signs in conjunction, a word. A single sign may be an abbreviation of a word (e.g., Linear B o for o-pe-ro, “owed”, “deficit”), or, commonly in Linear A, a transaction sign, like sign *42 A (“to” NAME?) and TE (“from”? NAME).

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm In the Minoan Linear A inscription, there are many aids to help the modern reader. First of all, there are loan words from different languages. For instance, the abbreviation “te,” commonly used on the tablets, has convincingly been shown by Jan Best and Fred Woudhuizen to be an abbreviation of an expression “telu” which appears to be related to an Assyrian word meaning delivery (Best and Woudhuizen 1988, 24).
First signs,D D don’t know what meaning to atribute them,as long as D-shape sign was not yet invented,
So the single solution is to think as the MOON-sign,wit the reading “MENO”.
But here I think the meaning it is not intended to moon or month but to its basic meaning :”constant,continous”or others direct derived.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%89
μένω • (ménō)
1.I stay, wait
1.(in battle) I stand fast
2.I stay where I am
3.I lodge
4.I tarry; I loiter, am idle
5.(of things) I am lasting; I remain, stand
6.(of condition) I remain
7.I abide by

8.(impersonal, with infinitive) it remains quotations ▼
2.(of persons) I await, expect quotations ▼
1.I wait for (accusative) to (infinitive)
Romanian:
A MANa :”to drive”raMAN:”remain”
A MANa :”stay,remain,LODGE”

So:”I(remain,abide)”; MENO,MENO-an,MINOAN”
my rendering “remain,abide
Now,interesting:some 7 years before I noticed that the upper sign gas a line to the second D.

You can see clear on picture.Whoever made the above drawing not made an accurate-one.See again what I am telling about:

At that time, I wondered if (line) intended or not.I told this to Mr.Marco Merlini.Not responded or much interested.
Now see: the upper sign is rendered in Linear A/B as :”TE”.Beeing binded/ligatured wit “D”-moon-shape we have:
TE+MENO,wich is TEMENO gr.TEMENOS:”shrine,temple”

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we find that the last supersyllabogram, TE, may readily and realistically rendered as temeno, which in Mycenaean Greek means “a temple”.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/temenos
A piece of land marked off from common uses and assigned as an official domain, especially to a king, chief, or god.
· A sacred circle where one can be oneself without fear. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Very, very interesting,: From https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5901-Scientists-Prepare-to-Solve-Mystery-of-Sumerian-DNA/page7&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=5562474ce4ba5e4694e7f546d6b7a295a665d29f-1581248335-0-AVEIVZcdES5ubTBUXWavvNIBRp8tlAJJEA_0HPi1nv4Mg3zahbcVOYkmncU4HXVkFXqdNOBlnpf8lziaAO3D6k9fWnq58ZSzLmNERs4BO3zhrlJR5oWb3uVRWRTW7BkHaDXcSIyJtbKdpwRRGDD-lHbgYbuodUHkMppYkCWgw6c0L5aA5S5uVQ3afo7efILHkY05uqYtsTUWW81CIhcyAcdaqOu4f-qYm_ZIscTTx-TmeoiDcoA98RrVlS52IktALTjUE5M7dUdQ3PUQuU20HuVEo6hGQnrDiBzQ2Ca5vnVNNYT5x8BQUDkKdMDI7CK3pttBWnhh5Di6Y-mpnLVQia_kMAnYGHql0MiTh1BqM5OOVJwDo0e2mZ_0RiA_aRHoGg

<< Sum. temen, Akk. temmenu, temennu ‘foundation (deposit)’, PIE *dhā-man/dha-mn̥- ‘what is placed or set’, Skt. dhāman- ‘dwelling-place, abode; law’, Greek thema ‘what is placed or laid down: deposit; position of land; grammatical stem’; themethla, theme(i)lia ‘foundations‘, themelios ‘foundation-stone’. In Greek we have also temenos ‘a piece of land cut off and assigned as an official domain’, especially to kings and to temples of gods. According to the analysis of Dunham (1986), Sum. temen often refers to a marked off area, and also the boundaries and the corners of the area, and Whittaker remarks that temen is the reading of the ‘perimeter sign’, so something very similar to the temenos. Manessy-Guitton already in 1966 proposed that temenos comes from temen, but temenos seems to have a very clear etymology from the Greek tem-no ‘to cut‘, which is made stronger by the comparison with Latin templum, originally indicating a delimited space in the sky for auspices, but also a space consecrated to the gods (the temple) and a transverse beam. So, if temen and temenos have a relation, we should admit that temen comes from the same root tem- as temenos and templum. The temen sign is done with two crosses and a rope, like this:
x—x. Rather than a perimeter, it is one side of it, and, as Dunham remarks, it is like a string between two pegs, and he also suggests that temen indicates the foundation peg (or set of pegs). If he is right, the root of temen is more likely ‘to put, place’ (the pegs) than ‘to cut’ (the area of the foundations).>>

Relating to the King MINOS,
MYNOS (MUNOS,MINOS,MENOS), his name is related to:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
μένος • (ménos) n (genitive μένεος or μένους); third declension
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
As in romanian language we have:
1.MINte/MINte,MENtal (mind/to lie,of the mind)
4.MANdrie
5.6.MANios (gr.MANiakos)

Citadel to City-State: The Transformation of Greece, 1200-700 B.C.E.
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Carol G. Thomas, Craig Conant ·
The term appears in Linear B as te- me-no and refers to lands given to, or owned by, a god, the wanax (as in wa-na-ke-te-ro te-me- no), or the lawagetas (as in ra-wa-ke-si-jo …

The signs: “OO” or “OC”?

Could be numbers:

Thus: o o – | | o would be 312 and o o in Linear B,would be 200.

Table 5 Table of 27 supersyllabograms in Minoan Linear A. KEY to supersyllabograms in Linear A: fi = figs. gr = grains (wheat). ma = man, person. oo = olivesVvocabulary | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
https://linearbknossosmycenae.com

What with the latest signs OO,OC ?
If OC,first is the linear A “KE”

From http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TLm7HKEeR6I/AAAAAAAAAhM/UMyNjulXVNg/s1600/KA-QE-sign-evolution.jpg

Second it is in the same linear A,the moon :”MENO”
KE-MENO !?
What does it mean?

id you mean: kemono linguistics
Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro › books
Bela Brogyanyi, Thomas Krömmelbein ·IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven. po3.uni-koeln.de › sites › hvs › pdfs by Y DUHOUX · Cited by 34 · Related articles It does not help that except for Linear B none of the languages written in. Greece in …. which sees in qe-ja-me-no a title / kweyamenos/ ‘révérend, honoré’ (cf. tíw ‘ honour, revere …

KE-ME-NO is the greek KEiMENO?….radher opion is for qe-ja-me-no.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9
κεῖμαι • (keîmai)
1.to lie, lie outstretched
1.to lie asleep, repose, lie idle, lie still
2.to lie sick or wounded, lie in misery
3.to lie dead
4.to lie neglected, uncared for, unburied
5.(of wrestlers) to have a fall
2.(of places) to lie, be situated
1.(of things) to lie in a place
3.to be laid up, be in store (of goods, property, etc.)
4.to be set up, proposed
1.(of laws) to be laid down
2.(of arguments) to be laid down
3.(of names) to be given
5.(figuratively)
1.to be in the power of
2.to be in such a manner
3.to be
4.to settle down, deposit a sediment
5.(grammar, of words and phrases) to be found, to occur

On the Weaving of Texts – Glossologics
https://alexpolistigers.wordpress.com › …
Nov 26, 2013 · It is κείμενο ( keimeno), from κείμαι (keimai), meaning “lie, be placed”, and is … Similarly logical, leaving the Indo-European family and travelling to .
I think kemeno/keimeno are related to kome and comates,residents of come(village),but here are residents of a much large area Minoan/Mycenaean area.

Corpus of Mycenaean Inscriptions from Knossos:
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0521320224
John Chadwick, ‎L. Godart, ‎J. T. Killen [ .5 ] ko-me-no vir 1[ ] no-do-ro-we D A [ • • • .2 Traces at left, perhaps ]re ; perhaps …

Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027235260
Bela Brogyanyi, ‎Thomas Krömmelbein – 1986 – ‎Language Arts & Disciplines
1887), and many of the other early constructors of the Indo-European edifice. Historical linguistics has persevered within the petrifying framework of derivational continua: *X > *Y > Z; IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven.

Whole upper half:
+++++ = TE=”From”
THIS (Thing empowered,with) lie,placed (text) YEAR God’s power and Will REMAIN,ABIDE TEMPLE 200?HEAVEN(of) the Sky)?sun&MOON?’
? THIS YEAR REMAIN PLACED TEMPLE ?
From the archeological site items and data some scientists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini) got clues that the deceased female was a high-revered in comunity and has a high social position and was a priestess,wich performed religious rituals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ionians
The “Proto-Ionians” first appear in the work of Ernst Curtius (1887), who believed that the Attic-Ionic dialect group was due to an “Ionicization” of Attica by immigration from Ionia in historical times. Curtius hypothesized that there had been a “Proto-Ionian” migration from the Balkans to western Anatolia in the same period that brought the Arcadic dialect (the successor of the Mycenean Greek stage yet undiscovered in the time of Curtius) to mainland Greece.[2] Curtius’ hypothesis was endorsed by George Hempl in 1920.[3] Hempl preferred to call these hypothetical, early Anatolian Greeks “Javonians”. Hempl attempted to defend a reading of Hittite cuneiform as Greek, in spite of the establishment of the Hittite language as a separate branch of Indo-European by Hrozný in 1917…………………………..The tripartite theory was revived by amateur linguist Jean Faucounau. In his view, the first Greek settlers in their historical territory were the (Pelasgic) “proto-Ionians”, who were separated around 3000 BC from both the proto-Dorians and the proto-Mycenaeans. Faucounau traces this three-wave model to similar views put forward by Paul Kretschmer in the 1890s and the 1900s (i.e., before the decipherment of Linear B), with a modification: the (proto-Ionic) First wave came by sea, the “Proto-Ionians” settling first in the Cycladic Islands, then in Euboea and Attica. The last two waves are the generally accepted arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks (the linguistic predecessors of the Arcadocypriot speakers) in around 1700 BC and the Dorian invasion around 1100 BC. …………….Faucounau’s addition to this is the argument that Crete is also too far south, that the names of the constellations are (Ionic) Greek, not Minoan, and therefore that the constellation makers must be the proto-Ionians in the Cyclades.[13] The south coast of Crete follows 35°N latitude; Syros, which he identifies as a center of proto-Ionian civilization,[14] is at 37°20′.[15] On this basis, he identifies the proto-Ionians with the archaeological Early Cycladic II culture: after all, they made round “frying pans,” and one of them with an incised spiral, and the Phaistos Disc is round with an incised spiral.[16]
His third argument depends on Herodotus’s somewhat obscure use of the word Pelasgian for various peoples, Greek-speaking and otherwise, around the Aegean basin. Faucounau claims that the word, which he derives idiosyncratically from πελαγος, “sea”,[17] means the descendants of the proto-Ionians. Some of them lost their language because they settled among foreigners; others, such as the Athenians, preserved their language – Attic, apparently, arises from a mixture of proto-Ionian and other dialects. He does not explain why Homer speaks of Dodona, inland in north-western Greece, as Pelasgian (Il, 16,233); nor why no place in historic Ionia is called Pelasgian.

http://paleoglot.blogspot.ro/2008/02/proto-aegean-what-i-mean-and-what-i.html
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fp1TvPT3pZg/R7ynu0-GCiI/AAAAAAAAARY/2n7EEa8KSgE/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/PG_ProtoAegeanMap.jpg

So now let’s draw a circle around Greece, Western Anatolia, Cyprus, Crete and the Aegean islands. We then start to see the linguistic pattern that I’m getting at. An entire language family forgotten in the mists of time and modern-day mystery mongering. What’s somewhat irritating to me and which should be irritating to you, the reader, is how we have an ‘Etruscan mystery’, a ‘Minoan mystery’, an ‘Eteo-Cretan mystery’ and an ‘Eteo-Cypriot mystery’ going on at the same time. If you research any one of these subjects, you’ll get next to nothing on their languages or their translations. It’s all “Who knows?” and “What if?”. Why is this region and this time period such a freakin’ mystery? Is it really because we lack information to piece it all together or is it because our power of concentration lacks get-up-and-go to solve problems without the use of a computer crutch?
Anyways, this is what I mean by “Proto-Aegean”. It sits there before you readers, waiting to be developed further.
https://e-edu.nbu.bg/pluginfile.php/727675/mod_resource/content/1/Chadwick%20%20Baumbach%201963%20-%20The%20Mycenaean%20Greek%20Vocabulary.pdf
Hpa e-ra PY Tn 316; female recipient of offerings, coupled with Zeus: dat. Hêrâi [Docs. 126, 289; Heubeck, IP 66. 223]. Note 1 : e-ra at KN is a place-name. Note 2: This spelling eliminates the proposed etymology from *”Hqfa; see Frisk, GEW. Discussion of the name : Schroder, Gymnasium 63. 67 ; van Windekens, Glotta 36. 309 ff.

The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period
Gallou, Chrysanthi (2003) The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period. PhD thesis, University of Nottingham. http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/ http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/1/289316.pdf
The identification of any given symbol or symbolic system should be classified in terms of human action and behaviour at a religious and/or funerary level, with reference to the context of occurrence.Given the problem of divergence in interpretation, a more reliable reading should be dictated by a morphological, syntactic and contextual analysis, and the awareness of the extent to which the interpreter’s preconceptions on the matter are introduced to the examination of past symbolism. Contextual, morphological and syntactic analysis of the symbolic element or system followed by cross-examination, cross-referencing and criticism of the hermeneutic model will underwrite to a significant degree the reliability of the interpretation.
Me: so signs are close-related to one specific concrete situation composed,it is a sum of unique concrete elements
xupoç ku-ro2 KNU0478, PY Ea 814 (dat.); gen. ku-ro2-jo KN B 822; MN: prob. Kurios [Docs. 420]. TartRound

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TARTARIA ROUND TABLET. Sumerian approach.1

April 2, 2018

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET: Picture, fromhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD5kOPzyRbCx16SOHNYI_JFdR5kACAdzi4Fc_rqu4_ayIAqf0u

TartRound
Tablet replica made by myself:

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Some days before I revised/overhauled the “sumerian aproach” of the tablet signs.(To be noticed, before I made three ways/kind of aproaches for every sign in the tablet: 1.as icons & logograms 2. as logograms,and 3.as syllabograms&letters)

My surprise was that all the signs were found in proto-cuneiform sumerian signs list.
From technical point of view, my opinion is that upon the signs seems not to be scrachted or drawn by an native sumerian. One know they used round sticks/styluses, and at least made numbers even in prot-writing phase by imprinting.Only the rest of the signs were made by scratching. Here we have not much the case, all the signs are scratched.

Out of a rude approach, is not my intention to read and interpret exactly the signs and message, cause:

– “If” could be sumerian signs the difficulty is great especially due the fact that we have pre-cuneiform an single sign had multiple meanings.It seems that they extracted the close meaning as resulting from the context. Consequently, the meaning/message in proto-writing=proto-cuneiform stage, could not be exactly determined,
– I have no necessary level of expertise, as Damerow,J.Dahl, R.Englund, A.A.Vaiman and al.

When I get close to those tablets some 10 years before I was strucked by the close ressemblance to letters.
Out of some 2 max.3 signs wich was very difficult to be included, the tablets could be read in every of three writing systems : 1. sumerian 2. Linear A,B 3.archaic greek alphabets

From those 3 signs I give twoo exemple:
– 1.bow-arrow sign and 2. “>>” sign for archaic greek reading ; 3.D shape signs(those signs were used much intensevely in carian, not to mention that there are equal chances to be written by carians ;
When I counted the signs carian won upon archaic greek… but carian signs were taken from greeks! So upon the expected age of the tablets,not sufficent old)

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From The Invention of Writing :: Proto-Cuneiform in the Uruk Period Posted on MAY 25, 2019 Written by BRANDON WEST http://www.projectglobalawakening.com/proto-cuneiform-uruk-period/

Proto-Cuneiform Picture-Writing :: First Attempts At Writing

<< Around halfway through the Uruk Period, about 150 years into the Late Uruk Period which spans from about 3500-3100 BCE (bringing us to about 3350 BCE) is when we begin to see the first examples of writing. The Sumerians first attempts were all pictographic in nature. Meaning that when they first attempted to record ideas and concepts in a physical symbolic fashion, they began to do so by drawing pictures of the things that they were attempting to represent.

Their medium of choice was clay, which they would fashion into small rectangles (which were shaped somewhat like little pillows) which the accountant-scribe would scratch the glyphs into with the stalk of a reed which had been cut down to the right size. That was all the stylus they needed. Though in a couple of centuries they would eventually sharpen one end of the reed into a triangular shape for a more precise “sketching-edge” which in actuality was destined to revolutionize the whole nature of the script. >>

So we have all the signs on Tartaria tablets scratched (as does sumerians in that early stage) , no one imprinted as used sumerians for proto-cuneiform numbers !

<< Proto-Cuneiform Number Systems

For example, if you look right you will see that a small circular impression meant “10” while a conical impression stood for “1”.>>

Proto-Cuneiform Sexagesimal Number Signs They scraped the cereal/bread sign “ninda” (lowest, middle near the head sign) https://www.laarchaeology.org/the-beginning-of-history/

but not numerals/numbers !

See imprinted numerals “1′ in proto-cuneiform stage ! From The Tower of Babel Cuneiform in the Fertile Crescent, 3100-500 BCE http://literatureandhistory.com/index.php/episode-001-the-tower-of-babel

********************************** Ooops! Some fellows encountered same difficultyies with D-shape signs, but even when choosed to equate D-signs with moon , not continued and in the rest is quite out of matter. From https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/
“So now, the hardest part. What are these D and O shaped signs. Even though they look like Latin letters, we don’t really see them in Linear scripts. EXCEPT in their measuring system. In some texts I read on the Tărtăria tablets sign “D” is represented as a symbol of the moon. It is interesting to see that in Linear B it represents volume, possibly given on a monthly bases. The second thing that is important to mention is that other signs represented in the lower part of the picture mean units of measurement. At the same time have phonetic value. (ie PE, ZE, MO…) So it is safe to say that if our D sign was really a unit of measurement, it also had a phonetic value. If so, what could it be? I believe it could be MO, even though MO is already a value of a different sign on a picture above.”
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At the first glance one take notice of the cross division of the tablet or equal-cross drawn lines.
There are many opinions regarding the cross sign origin and supposed attached meaning in the course of the history.
For exemple the very begining, out of some paleolithic carvings, sumerians used very early round tokens with cross inscribed wich they used to record and mean sheep.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

UTUsheep

UDU~b sheep/ From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

MAS also has a cross shape MAS:”many”? From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

From Sumerian Lexicon http://www.istor-konf-varna.com/history/JAH_SumLex_ALL.pdf de JA HALLORAN – máš: n., extispicy (divination based on the entrails of a sacrificed animal); sacrificial animal [MAŠ2.

A Descriptive Grammar of Sumerian – IS MU https://is.muni.cz/www/408176/38744863/A_Descriptive_Grammar_of_Sumerian.pdf de JW White ….. the noun maš or máš ‘kid‘

From http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf It is the sign “LU”:”to be abundant”

https://sites.utexas.edu/dsb/tokens/tokens-and-writing-the-cognitive-development/
Tokens and Writing: the Cognitive Development Denise Schmandt Besserat

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8nkUrTh98KiJibBXxbr0YZ9D3DLZy7yQ_2YLW9JrBOTQQcuo

But the cross was also the sun-god icon

From https://www.naturepagan.com/babylonian-and-assyrian-translations : (“the Sun tablet”)

Cause of the sun-cross relation the round Tartaria tablet was nicknamed:” Tablita-Soare”(rom.) “THE SUN TABLET”
This cross was found also in Egypt related to Osiris and ressurection.
The Sun, resurection and its related icon and cross icon were before and at the origin of christian religion.

1-st QUARTER

First will begin with lower-right quarter. ( OVERALL DIRECTION OF READING,COUNTER-CLOCKWISE ! ) Picture of the quarter,taken from Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets /Keith Massey http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.ro/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

LOW-RIGHT

See the red sign Tart RED or here, No.6:

TRoundNumbered

For me this shape is conducting me to the idea of kind of portable altar with flames on upper side:

Note. Many other researcher have same opinion !

But in fact the sign is SZA

Another researcher (Andi Kaulins) found also SA,
http://lingwhizt.blogspot.com/2011/03/syllabic-grid-of-ancient-scripts-su.html ————————————————————————————————— The second sign near-by on the right side seems to be the icon of a sky-deity
Somebody article (to be checked!)

The Symbol of Shamash http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds17.html
”Given that the 1st Century Romans had inexplicably re-launched the Persian cult of Mithras, a ‘sun-god’ whose ritual practices had much in common with Early Christianity, then it may be equally possible that this coin carries forward the very ancient tradition of the Mesopotamian winged disc. However, I would question the bland assumption that all these symbols represent the Sun.
For instance, the shrine at Larsa devoted to the ‘sun-god’ Utu/Shamash is represented by quite different symbolism, that of ‘the crescent-with-sun-disc on top of an altar or tower temple with water at its base’ (4). This symbol includes two stars above the upturned crescent. The Egyptologist David Rohl notes that these depictions were often rotated to become more recognisable cuneiform symbols.

Thus, if we rotate this Shamash’s early symbol from Larsa 180 degrees, we obtain a disc within a crescent, accompanied by two stars. We seem to have the archetypal Mesopotamian and ancient Egyptian winged disc, complete with its two uraei. These uraei are two ‘divine cobras’ that are often shown as smaller discs attached to the central disc by two wavy lines. All of these symbols, then, appear to have a common framework, and this is in keeping with the Roman coin.”

But when checked.…great pleasing surprise”:
A Companion to Greek Mythology https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1444396935
Ken Dowden, ‎Niall Livingstone -Thus, the Akkadian Nergal (god of the Underworld) may have been viewed as meaning ‘Lord of the Great City (Sumerian EN.URU.GAL).14 The Ugaritic Mot was king of this subterranean city: … (KTU 1.5 ii 13–16) This ‘concave kingdom’ is described in words which parodied the mountain dwelling of Baal, king of the gods.
From http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/657/
Name Cuneiform Additional information Source
Enuru
(den-uru2) Retinue of Šamaš RlA2/p40

From http://enenuru.net/html/misc/enensilugal.htm

En [En] close to priest-lord

http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/142/city-seals-early-political-alliances#ixzz58xP8fo57

This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:

“unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple” Akk. mākalû; mūšabu; usukku; šubtu”

Any case, it is the sign of an astral god/goddess, like Astarte,Tanit or minoan-micenaean Asasara. Image from http://thingsinthree.blogspot.com/2011/07/before-tertius.html

From FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN DOCUMENTS IN MINOAN LUWIAN, SEMITIC, AND PELASGIAN https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MlXuANT4kcZHS4RZCLwSj1TS_lNP-JJaO9dfHtIqmI0/edit

. From a linguistic point of view, Nikolas Platon has suggested that the root a-sa-sa-ra may well be compared to the Phoenician divine name Asherat.46 In line with this suggestion, Jan Best—who for the divine name also pointed to Asherah from the Old Testa- ment—explained the enclitic element -me or -ma as a particle com- parable to Ugaritic -m as in balm “oh Baal!” and ilm “oh Il!”. ………………………..

As it seems, then, both the divine name and the grammatical features of the Linear A formula (y)a-sa-sa-ra.me or ya-sa-sa-ra-ma “oh Asherah!” are Old Phoenician. A similar conclusion no doubt holds good for its hiero- glyphic predecessor from the Early Minoan III/Middle Minoan I tran- sitional period (c. 2000 BC), now readable as a-sa1-sa1-ra-me or a- sa1-sa1-ra.me “Oh Asherah!” (the case with the punctuation mark in form of a hook concerns # 252 as depicted in Fig. 6a, no. I)………………………… Cretan hieroglyphic 30 of Asherah served as an asylum for international trade. More in general, the zealous veneration of the goddess may be compared to the predilection of the miners in Sinai for Baaalat of which their inscriptions in the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet, variously dated c. 1850 BC, c. 1600 BC or c. 1500 BC, bear testimony.

SO, IT IS SURE, MY SUPOSITION THAT THE SIGN IS THAT OF A CELESTIAL FEMALE DEITY as Baaalat / ASHERAH / Tanit (wich in turn, or beside it is related to mining and trade) IS RIGHT !! More than this, the tablets could be brought by a metalurgist,prospector,trader? from the south-east !

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SECOND QUARTER

Upper-Right
(counter-clockwise)

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s1600/NEgrid.JPG

Upper sign, +++++ If we think in Old Danubian script terms,

Din The Number System of the Old European Script Eric Lewin Altschuler, M.D., Ph.D. https://arxiv.org/html/math/0309157v1

“Also common is the comb motif (Table 1) with three to eight teeth 33 inscriptions. As the comb motif is used with so many different numbers of teeth and as the comb inscriptions seem to be used in a similar manner, and are found in similar places on pottery as the score mark inscriptions, we think these signs also denote numbers. We translate a comb with n (3 ≤ n ≤ 8) teeth as 10+n. Other possibilities are the numbers n or n+1 (n teeth plus the horizontal stroke), but these seem unlikely as there are already signs for n and n+1 (n or n+1 score marks).”

Deci 10+5=15 sau 5 (5+1/2=5,5?)

La sumerieni, din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html signs ASZ2

In sumerian, the name of some numerals are : From http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numerals.html

Number	Sumerian	Akkadian
1	diš, aš	išten
2	min	šina
3	eš	šalaš
4	limmu	erbe
5	ia	hamiš
6	aš	šediš

So if our sign has 5-6 comb teeth, this sign could mean phoneme aš or“6”

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm As–Hur/All-seeing-one

https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/…/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12….

5 mai 2000 – Inspiration for all this came out of not being able to find a Sumerian …… AŠ[191x] = 1 (“1” one numeric) | dili [227x] = (to be) single, unique, sole; …

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm aš: one; unique; alone. Folowing image, from https://emekurnet.wordpress.com/category/writing/

My rendering for the <5-teeth comb-like sign> is: AS : “WHEAT” ————————————————————————————— First of those “DD” (twoo D-shaped signs in the row), if is sumerian-inspired, one close in shape, could be:
GAR https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/GAR.jpg

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf NINDA(GAR):”BREAD” GAR: ”to PLACE” Nig2 (GAR) :”THING”

D D, (?Reduplicated :”GAR GAR”= “to place, lay down….” ?)

http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#a_GA
120FB GAR, NINDA [11296x] = bread, pastry, baked, food – determinative &ninda; bread / baked items | cf. less common12252 NINDA2 | gar(gar) [2505x] = place, to put, lay down; to give in place of something, replace; to posit (math.) | nig2(nig2) [1641x] = thing, possesion; something | nindan

From TĂRTĂRIa AND THE SACRED TABLETS XC. Investigating the signs on the circular tablet https://fashiondocbox.com/Jewelry/90885882-Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html “The crescent moon is visible in the shape of a celestial D 1522. The variant is not recorded in the inventory of the signs of the Danube script.

It is very similar to the shape individuated by Gh. Lazarovici with code 238f, meaning ‘fi

rst quarter of the moon’. The same sign was utilized to render the first crescent in a lunar cycle engraved on a stone around the second part of IV millennium BC

at Knowth (Boyne Valley, Ireland) 1523. The graphic concept is similar to that at the base of the ancient form of the Chinese character Yue4, meaning

’moon’. In the beginning, the pictograph was a new moon hanging in the sky. Gradually, a vertical stroke was added inside. I also assume the (sign image) as a symbol for the ‘fi

rst quarter of the moon’.The (sign image) finds partial graphic convergence with the sign 187 of the Indus script:1524 and in the ATU528 from the proto-cuneiform:(sign image)

The aforementioned sign D, which follows the, is registered in the inventory of the Danube script as DS 033.0, as previously analyzed “

Note Yes, could be “first qarter of the moon” but where’s the sign in proto-cuneiform sign lists? (Borger,Falkenstein,Yariz)

No, the first sign aforementioned by Mr. Merlini ATU528 (wich has 2 paralel strokes inside), is not as close to the real sign as the proto-cuneiform sign I’ve found: Much close to sign SUR (wich has an “L”-shaped sign inside!) : From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/…/Halloran_version_3.pdf

de JA Halloran

…. šur, sur: to rain; to produce a liquid; to flow, drip; to extract seed oil; to process wine …

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm
Sur/Carry
Sur/Deep/furrow
Sur/Hang/down
Sur/Press/out
Sur/Squeeze
Sur/Warrior

My rendering for the first “D”-like sign is : SUR —————————————————————— The next, 2-nd D cannot be found as such in proto-cuneiform UCLA sign-list. I found exactly the D-sign in Falkenstei proto-cuneiform sign list, https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/ATU1.pdf as No.527 .There has no name, nor meaning indication.

Mr. Marco Merlini’s opinion: TĂRTĂRIa AND THE SACRED TABLETS XC. Investigating the signs on the circular tablet https://fashiondocbox.com/Jewelry/90885882-Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html page 320: “The D shape incised on the tablet from Tărtăria has convergences in the sign lists of many ancient systems of writing. We have mentioned some of them when discussing the D on the left quadrant. We have here to add that proto-cuneiform presents two kinds of D. We have already mentioned the rounded form D (ATU 709) when discussing this sign with a tail from the upper left quadrant. The sharp incised on the upper right quadrant finds graphic parallels with ATU 527. As substantiated in the next chapter, if the D is a lunar symbol in several early systems of writing and in rock art, at Tărtăria it stands for the Full Moon as the best suitable moment for human fecundation. So I suppose to be MOON ?

From http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/nannasuen/?fbclid=IwAR1oqqhakRLYIfK2hrpFYWmZO8dc0jlr591mV2N2-CpFD5sHyH-MtULRge0 Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su’en or Sin in Akkadian. My note: There were any Akkadians in the proto-cuneiform time, but the language could be connected to akkadian and semitic. ———————————————————— Folowing, two O-s: “O O”, or “oc”

From CRYPTCRACKER cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2007/03/oldest-west-semitic-inscriptions-these.html ” the circle (with or without a central dot) was the standard form in the Iron Age, eventually becoming the letter O (a vowel, no longer a consonant) in the Greek and Roman alphabets. In the syllabary (by my calculations) the circle is the sun (shimshu, hence SHI)”

They say: http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/ProtoLanguage-Monosyllables.htm

The Sumerian sign (Jaritz #750) means ‘hole’, and reads both u, ‘(oral) cavity’, and hu₃.

The sign O is proto-cuneiform LAGAB From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf LAGAB:”watercourse” LAGAB:”circle,hole“. But twoo circles 2xLAGAB, is the sign NIGIN

Nigin, “to encircle” ,”roam about” V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY … https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229934 Nigin: Sumerian. Verb. To round up. Nigin: Sumerian. Verb. To include. Nigin: Sumerian. Verb. To bring in. Nigin: Sumerian. Verb. To encircle. Nigin: Sumerian.to confine

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htmNigin/Circulate
Nigin/Enclosure
Nigin/Go/round
Nigin/Revolve
Nigin/Surround/(to)
Nigin/Wander/(to) From V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY … https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229934 Nierime (Nierim): Sumerian. Adjective. Wrong … Total. Nigin: Sumerian. Noun. Totality. Nigin: Sumerian. Adverb. All together. Nigin: … The whole amount. Nigin: .

So…. hard to say….I am tempted to exclude from the begining to be an administrative tablet, as to have here simple numbers. Based on three assumptions: 1. sumerians made numbers by imprinting, not by scratching 2.scientists said that the tablets could be involved in a kind of religious ritual 3.no reason in this case (numbers) to cover (as M.Merlini supposed) upper half of the tablet wich contain an supposed esoteric content..

So, maybe: A. AS ……….GAR-GAR NIGIN “One(God)….(to)Place,confine enclosure —————————————————– B. AS SUR Moon Nigin :”one(god) “rain,flow,river ..MOON(God)…enclosure,total,whole”

(? As-sur:” one warrior encircle,wander,surround”?) ——————————————————- C. What about a rendering wich partly satisfy Mr,Merlini rendering and mine?: …………GOD SUR MOON FULL ………….GOD CARRY FULL MOON —————————————————– D. AS GAR DIS LAGAB LAGAB See number 10, from http://www.ancientscripts.com/sumerian.html

WHEAT NINDA(ratio,cereal,bread) 1 10 10 “21 WHEAT RATIOS“ (more…)

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CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS SACRED PLACE.Sum.KUGA become gr. Kogaionon?

April 2, 2018

CARPATHIAN MOUNTAIN
CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS SACRED PLACE
(Possible same name was also a GOD)

Our oriental-induced “Gebeleisis”

Gibil or Gebal the god of fire in Sumerian mythology, The God of …
https://www.knowbiblefactsfromfiction.com/gibil-or-gebal-the-god-of-fire-in-sumeria…
Gibil or Gebal the god of fire in Sumerian mythology, The God of Byblos the progeny of Hiram Abi, The heart of Freemasonry’s abominable roots and found in Psalms 83 as those …. Mountain gods were known in Anatolia, Syria, and Palestine since Hittite times, and they continued to be venerated up until the Roman age.
Me:ais,asa is anatolian &italic for “altar”
Ais,aisna is etruscan “God”,
So, GEBALaisis: “FIRE-GOD (GEBAL)”

Mount Sinai – Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai

Mount Sinai also known as Mount Horeb or Gabal Musa, is a mountain in the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt that is a possible location of the biblical Mount Sinai, which is considered a holy site by the Abrahamic religions. Mount Sinai is mentioned many times in the Book of Exodus and other books of the Bible, and the Quran.

From Jebel Barkal – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_Barkal

Lycian KUGA:”Grandfather”

The Luwian Population Groups of Lycia and Cilicia Aspera During the …https://books.google.ro/books?id=T883AAAAIAAJ
Philo Hendrik Jan Houwink Ten Cate – 1961 – ‎Cilicia
The same development must have taken place in Lycian kuga- “grandfather” alongside Hittite- Luwian huh{h)a- while tedi- “father” as compared with Luwian tati-

The sanctuary of Adad at Zabban? A fragment of a temple list in …

Click to access ZabbanTL.pdf

Zabban, a town in what was formerly Simurrum, on the borders between Babylonian and Assyria, remained in the first millennium a well-known cult-centre of Adad, for which the evidence is now collected by Daniel Schwemer (2000: 610). There is no doubt that the Assyrian temple list intends the Lord of Zabban to be understood as the storm god.
[E-]-kuga the temple of Sala;
House whose fearsomeness
[E-]-kuga
House wich is pure among the mountains
Me!What is this? Simurrum<>romanian city Simeria,near Deva
In c. 1801 BC, the powerful kingdom of Elam, which straddled important trade routes across the Zagros Mountains, invaded the Mesopotamian plain. With allies among the plain states, https://en.wikipediam.org/wiki/Hammurabi Elam attacked and destroyed the kingdom of Eshnunna, destroying a number of cities and imposing its rule on portions of the plain for the first time.
My note: these elamites,ancestor of sanskrit /Indo-European language

Click to access 2254.pdf

On his accession he married Ne-maat-Hap, the heiress of the previous king, and assumed the name of Khasekhemui. After a reign of nineteen years he was buried at Abydos, near the tombs of the first dynasty kings, and in his grave was found the gold object, referred to in a previous chapter, which appears to have been of metal derived from Transylvania. This tomb chamber was built of squared blocks of limestone, the earliest stonework of the kind as yet found in Egypt………………………..Whence the Cretans obtained their gold is uncertain, for there are no deposits on the island, though the metal was at a later date found near Sardes in Asia Minor. It is well, however, to remember the fragments of gold in the tomb of Khasekhemui, which are thought to have come from Transylvania. If they Early Minoan Times 105 came from so distant a source they may well have been taken to Egypt by Cretan mariners………………Not far from Vinca is a cinnabar mine. Tordos is in the very centre of a region where lie the richest deposits’of gold now worked in Europe, deposits whence much precious metal was obtained during the time of the Roman Empire. Near other sites there are copper mines. It is probable that the First Danubian people, when first they entered the Danube basin, were well acquainted with metal and knew how to work it, though it would appear that the colonists who wandered to the north-west soon lost that knowledge. It would seem likely that the gold found in the tomb of Khasekhemui, king of Egypt, to which reference has already been made in Chapters I and IV, came from the Maros valley and from near Tordos, so that it is clear that gold was being mined in Transylvania at a date which cannot be later than 3000 B. c., the date that we have accepted for the Egyptian monarch. If our Danubians were good sailors, as Childe has suggested, they would have had no difficulty in carrying this commodity to Crete, if not to Egypt itself

Was Eridu The First City in Sumerian Mythology? | Peeter Espak …
http://www.academia.edu/18563322/Was_Eridu_The_First_City_in_Sumerian_MythologyThe latter seems to be created or constructed by the “primordial” god Lugaldu- kuga—the “king of the holy mountain.” The line in question may also be interpreted to mean that Lugaldukuga started residing in the holy mound. Lambert hypothesises that Lugaldukuga must be the name of 34 Sjöberg 1969: 17–18. 35 Frayne …

rib eye – English-Yoruba Dictionary
https://yoruba.english-dictionary.help/english-to-yoruba-meaning-rib%20eye
Cuneiform (kuniforimu) :: Yet one still would have to show that this Egyptian creation was transferred to Mesopotamia and that the Sumerian protocuneiform and … Cougar (Kuga) :: Borrowing a method used to study human demographics he and his colleagues took samples from 352 cougars in the RockyMountain region …

PDF]Was Eridu The First City in Sumerian Mythology?1 – ResearchGate
https://www.researchgate.net/…/Was-Eridu-The-First-City-in-Sumerian-Mythology.pd…
“the most ancient city” in Sumero-Akkadian mythology, this under- standing has a strong influence on our entire picture of ….. for other Sumero-Akkadian shrines, as the text on the Gudea Statue B demonstrates (iv 7–9): é dnin-g̃ír-su-ka …. kuga—the “king of the holy mountain.” …….Lambert hypothesises that Lugaldukuga must be the name of the god Ea.38 …
The Archaeomusicology of the Ancient Near East
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1412055385
Richard J. Dumbrill – 2005 – ‎History
From the reverse of I (I col. 5) we shall assume from the few words remaining that they are religious songs of which we cannot say more than they are called: sllllt-[ru s’a eb-bu-be]. At rev. II (col. 6) our reading continues with diverse types of songs: a) s’jr ku-gu-u (l. 5), Akkadian rendition of Sumerian sirkuga, meaning ‘sacred song”…

F]Gendered literacy and numeracy in the Sumerian literary … – CiteSeerX
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.582.6279&rep=rep1…by E Robson – ‎
often in connection with mul ‘stars’, an ‘heaven’, kug’holy‘, and/or gun3.

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/…/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf
kug-ga-na = pure [121AC KUG pure + 120B5 suckling, carry + 1223E NA man, pestle, pounder].

The Sumerian Paradise Tilmun as Saivite Tillai – Google Groups
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mintamil/vCQ2eUNLdhI
The descriptive terms kug-ga( koGku) and dadag-ga , idu tangam: purified Gold is

ELEMENTARY SUMERIAN GLOSSARY/част 4/ | Новини … https://trakiaworld.com › Новини › История
. kù(g) (kug) – to be sacred, holy; to sanctify – посветем, свещен; освещавам. kù(g) holy, sacred; …

http://www.magtudin.org/Ur-Nina.htm
URU.KUG.GA “The sacred town” (uruKU3.GI = “the town of gold”).

Then,out of Strabon,
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/KogaiononStrabon. Apare la autorii moderni și în forma eronată de Kogaion.
„…καὶ τὸ ὄρος ὑπελήφθη ἱόερν , καὶ προσαγορεύουσιν οὕτως· ὄνομα δ᾿αὐτῷ Κωγαίονον ὁμώνυμον τῷ παραρρέοντι ποταμῷ.”
„…și muntele a fost luat [de către Geți] drept sfânt, și ei îl și numesc astfel; iar numele lui este Kōgaionon, la fel cu cel al râului care curge pe alături.”

Not only a mount but it seems also a deity.
We have three path of reasoning:
1.greek-one
KOGaionon as in Mysaion,Heraion, :”the place/temple (of) Mysa/arts,Hera,etc.
Temple,place/AION,ION(ancestral father,god-like depicted as related to Kronos and with pick-axe in hand)

In greek ion:”moving” aion:”still” aionon:”eternity”

Why Can’t Aionas Ton Aionon Mean Eternity? – Tentmaker Ministries
http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/forever_eternity.html
The Greek phrase “aionas ton aionon,” which is translated “forever and ever,” occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends …
2.Sumerian:KUGA:”sacred,pure”
3.Anatolian:Luw.huha,Lyc.kuga>?koga?:”grandfather”

I allready shown that kuga could be equated as Giga. Remember Anatolian ruller GUGU,and related mythology to GYGantes. In Romania we have GOGeanu mountain range and peak GUGU.Also GOG and Magog. GUG/GOG is PIE-root for humpback(rom.geb,gab), mound, swelling.The same way as Gebel/Gebal is.
(Humpback usually associeted to old-ones)

Double-checking:
http://new-indology.blogspot.ro/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html
Sum. kug ‘pure; bright, shining, silver’, gug ‘(to be) bright’, PIE *k’u-k-,

Sum.kug,kug-ga ;kug-ga-na gug >>Anatolian GUG,GUGA,GYGES,HUHA,lyc.KUGA>PIE kuk; perhaps retained original aspect “pure,bright”wich was applied directly to theyr ancestors
(as ancestors were highly respected, “pure,silver-haired”; there is another IE-root GOG/GUG:”swelling” as hills and mounds were sought mythical megalithical gygantic constructions of old-ones, ATLantes,GYGantes,kind of Titans) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (Same word/notion, in close form “KAGA “was found in an inscription from TOMIS:

Olteanu Sorin, KAGA c si KOGAIONON. Datele … – Isidore
http://www.rechercheisidore.fr/search/resource/?uri=10670/1.5hx9er
KAGA c si KOGAIONON. Datele problemi / KAGA et KOGAIONON. Données du problème. Par : Sorin Olteanu. Date : 1989 | disponible sur http://www2.misha.fr/flora/jsp/index_view_direct.jsp?record=… Mots-clés : CLAUDIUS MUCACIUS (TI.), HEROS THRACE, GETES, POLYTHEISME, PHILOLOGIE et DEDICACE … ——————————————————————————————————————— Now explain me some names from Romania: towns :Simeria,Deva,Cugir <> Shumeru,Deva,Kiengir mountains: Gogeanu,Surianu, peaks Gugu,Suru,Peleaga <>Gog-an,gog-anu;Suri-an/anu;Gug/Gog;Surya;Pelegus On the origins of extractive metallurgy: new evidence from Europe https://edisciplinas.usp.br/…/On%20the%20origins%20of%20extractive%20metallurg… by M Radivojevic – Copper mineral use in the Balkans emerged with the early Neolithic cultures; mostly for malachite bead making, although two metal artefacts, a double-pointed copper awl (Vlassa, 1969: 514) and a copper fish hook (Lazarovici, 1970: 477) are reported in settlements in Transylvania and the Danube Gorges. Vinca groups

Supp Info Manuscript ID CONNET-2017-005 … – Cambridge Repository https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/…/Supp%20Info%20Manuscript%20ID%20CONNE…by M Radivojevic Period 2. Late Neolithic (LN, 5500-5000 BC). This period is linked with the emergence of archaeological cultures that would grow into large metal producing and consuming phenomena (like.Vinča in Serbia or Karanovo in Bulgaria) during the 5th millennium BC [27]. While Vinča culture occupied most of the central Balkans …

From Prehistory of Transylvania – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Transylvania

https://docslide.com.br/documents/the-dawn-of-european-civilization.html

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VINCA TURDAS CULTURE. SIGNS,GODS AND SOUNDS

April 2, 2018

VINCA CIVsignsgods

VINCA-TURDAS CIVILISATION
(THEIR) SIGNS, GODS AND SOUNDS (~ 5000 B.C.)

“D” shape was for the idea of light ? and sounded “Di”?

The Roots of the Sanskrit Language – jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/2935779
by WD Whitneye ….. du, 1 di, burn. Not in RV. dus, spoil. In V., only caus. and derivatives. duh, milk, derive. 1 dr, pierce, split. drp, rave, talk big. drg, see. Lacks a pres.-system.

Gr.βόωψ boōps “cow-eyes”; europos “big-eyes”

The mother goddess and the owl https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/the-mother-goddess-and-the-owl/

MotOWL
https://www.videomaker.com/article/c13/14089-the-eye-light An eye light is a light that creates a small sparkle of light reflected from the eye’s surface, giving sparkle to the subject’s eyes. Without the eye light, the eyes would seem lifeless and unemotional.

Psalms, Proverbs – Page 555 – Google Books Result https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1414398883
Mark Futato, ‎George M. Schwab, ‎Philip W. Comfort -15:30 A cheerful look. Precisely, “the light of the eyes.” “Light” is equated with life in 4:18; 6:23; 13:9.

[PDF]Derivatives of Nostratic Root Morpheme *Ya – “To Shine, To Glow, To …
http://www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/9116/8803

*dī- “to shine, to glimmer”

New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection
new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html
Sum. di ‘to shine‘, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’, Skr. dī- ‘to shine, be bright’, dina ‘day’, Armenian tiw ‘day’, Luwian Tiwat- ‘Sun god’, …

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws
*dyew- (“sky, heaven”); *dyew- > *diw- (zero-grade) > *deyw-

EVIDENCE OF MINOAN ASTRONOMY AND CALENDRICAL PRACTICES Marianna Ridderstad

Click to access 0910.4801.pdf

Another likely celestial symbol is the ‘eye’ with very prominent ‘eye-lashes’ (CHIC:387). The ‘eye’ is sometimes depicted as ‘rising’ over a (horizon?) line, which casts the doubt that it, too, is a solar symbol (CHIC #314). This may be related to the later belief of the sun as the eye of Zeus (Olcott 1914:288).

ANTONN BARTONEK T H E PHONIC EVALUATIO N OF THE S- AND Z- SIGNS IN MYCENAEA N https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/bitstream/handle/11222.digilib/110060/E_ArchaeologicaClassica_09-1964-1_8.pdf?sequence=1
Lurja, while treating this question, starts with refusing—first in his article Opyt ctenija pilosskikh nadpisej, Vest, drevnej istorii 1955, vol. 3, pp. 8-36, but mainly in his work Jazyk i kultura 50 sqq.—to ascribe the D- series of Mycenaean signs the explosive character. He believes that due to a pre-Greek substratum there had occurred in Mycenaean several phonic changes which most Greek dialects did never fully accomplish and of which only a very few odd traces were left in the Classical Era; thus assuming the shift of the proto-Greek d into some kind of (d)z he transcribes all Ventris’s D- signs as Z-signs, and goes on designating in this connection Ventris’s Z- series—not quite convincingly—as “C- series”, ascribing it with an all-round validity the phonetic value of a “soft (palatalized) variant” of the phone k.2…………………………………………1. It is probable that the very adoption of the Linear Script for rendering Greek witnessed already the tendency of reproducing with the Z- spelling all phonic formations governed by the so-called second assibilation, i. e. the voiced substitute for the original j-, -dj-, -gj-, on the one hand [this substitute being very likely at that time not far from the affricate dz going back to d’d’], and the voiceless substitute for the inter-morphemic -t(h)j- or for any -k(h)j- and -tw-, on the other hand [the latter substitute being again probably not far from the affricate tj going back to t’t’]; in either of these cases the Z- series of signs was employed just to express rather the purely palatal, i . e. the still non-affricate, shade of the two substitutes, a shade that was just in all probability disappearing…………………..The couple of affricate phonemes ts, dz, which formed counterparts as to voice. Their phonetic character underwent the following pre-Mycenaean and Mycenaean process of evolution: from various original formations through t’t’ [which absorbed also k’k’] and through d’d’ [absorbing also g’g’ and evidently even a part of the initial proto-Greek j’-], 5 4 then through tj [which had very likely directly absorbed the original tiv] and through dz, assuming finally the forms ts, dz………………………16.The most important exceptions: Central Cretan, Boeotian, Laconian, Elean and the Thessaliotic subdialect of Thessalian with their DD(!deltadelta), or later TT—all this being, of course, only a special continuation of the affricate dz.
Nominal composition in Mycenaean Greek – Wiley Online Library
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-968X.00100/pdf
Mycenaean Greek is given and a classification attempted. Thereafter, issues in their phonology …. compound must not be considered `rien autre qu’une varieÂteÂ de la formation des noms, au meÃme titre que la ….. pu2-ru might be interpreted as `having white eye-brows’ (leyko3w and o1ýry9w), but the presence of ro still …
Me: !!
Linear A sign *79 (‘eye‘)
Linear A, “ZU”

In other place thay say it is “DO”http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TEOGfd1eE3I/AAAAAAAAAeM/RF7U_QatvuY/s320/Minoan-seals-01.jpg

http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2009/09/
This exclusion rule can be applied to the Linear A sign *79 (‘eye’) to show why it cannot represent the value ‘ZU’ (that was assigned to it by John Younger et al.). The case-ruling example we find on the tablet ZA4,row a.5 where the term QE-SI-*79-E can be read. The same name recurs on tablet ZA15. Now, if the reading of *79 were ‘ZU’, we would rather expect an ending ZU-WE (with a not well characterised linear A WE sign) and NOT ZU-E. On the other hand, the value suggested and used by many (e.g Glen Gordon) for this linear A sign: ‘DO’, fits perfectly, as DO-E is absolutely possible.

But the case of LinA *79 has to approached with care. Apparently, there are two distinct LinearB signs (*79 and *14) corresponding to single cluster (*79) Linear A. I label it as a cluster, as it contains signs of very variable design: it is easily possible that there are two signs lumped into a single cluster: at least one of these is (with resonably high probability) is the Linear A counterpart of Linear B ‘DO’ sign (LinB *14).

http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/05/how-many-linear-signs-do-we-have.html BayndorJune 4, 2010 at 8:50 AM
I must admit, if my derivation of the Lin A *79 is peculiar, then the theory on the ‘TO’ sign must sound straightforwardly strange. It is an ‘I don’t have any better idea’ type of theory. Because Hieroglyphics features a sign: ‘bovine head in front’, that is not even uncommon, it must have a Linear A descendant. But if one checks it – based on shape, frequency and distribution – there are only two viable candidates: TO or DI. While I could not remove sign DI from the list of possible readings, it is only the TO sign that admits a good etymology. If we go with the reading DO (from *tau) for the ‘eye’, then a clearly parallel derivation would be the value TO for the ‘bull’ sign (from *thaura). I only thought of this second one, because it could prove a regular development of *aw diphtongs in Minoan into *o. Unfortunately, I could not meaningfully analyse the PO sign (as I don’t know what it depicts), or the RO sign. On the other hand, the KO sign might depict a coriander seed, but we cannot approach it from an etymological direction (as the origins of the word coriander [Lin B KO-RI-JA-DA-NA] are obscure).

Otherwise, if we don’t accept the reading DO for Lin A*79, we could still try a similar value like DWA. That would not invalidate the etymology, and could give a solution for the pressing problem of having two Linear B signs when Lin A had just one.

Various Versions of the Linear A Libation Formula, again, but now in …
http://www.academia.edu/…/Various_Versions_of_the_Linear_A_Libation_Formula_again_…
Next, na-ta-n$-ti6 (with a solar variant of L 101 or AB 79 zu in its, against the background of its origin from the Cretan hieroglyphic “eye” [= solar symbol, cf. the “all …

Anatolian go the same way,https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyw%C3%B3s
IAnatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”)
Lycian: ziw
Lydian: Divi-
Luwian: tiwat (“a sun god”)
Palaic: tiyaz, tiuna
But Luwians gos that eye sign to mean eye.Ti,eye,related to I.E.di/ti root for light:”ti6”=eye
3 articles on Celtiberian (Sasamón), Luwian hieroglyphic (Mira), and …
http://www.academia.edu/…/3_articles_on_Celtiberian_Sasamón_Luwian_hieroglyphic_Mir…
another early Cretan hieroglyphic inscription in combina- tion with the spider4 as an alternative means to render the titular expression usually occurring in form of 044-046 “trowel-adze” or 044-005 “trowel-eye” pi-tı¯ or pi-ti6 = Egyptian bi’ty “king” (Fig. 6). Furthermore, it ultimately …

Pre-Mycenaean Greeks in Crete | iurii mosenkis – Academia.edu
http://www.academia.edu/24600947/Pre-Mycenaean_Greeks_in_Crete
qu > z (Linear A zo ‘spear’ and zu ‘eye’) similar to Phrygian qu > k (que > ke,Mycenaean que, Greek te).

http://new-indology.blogspot.ro/2016/12/sumerian-and-indo-european-multifarious.html Nirjhar00727 December 2016 at 04:13
This is interesting . We already had the related discussion . In Sumerian there is UTU , in epsd it is given as utu-e3 “sunrise” , utu-šu2-uš; utu-šuš2 “sunset; the West”. There is also a ki’utu [LOCUS] ki-dutu “a cultic location; a ritual”. Not sure about the ritual . but if we read Bomhard there he gives this :
233. Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay- (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy- (~ *t’ey-):
(vb.) *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to
burn brightly’;
(n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;
Kota ti·y- (ti·c-) ‘to be singed, roasted’; Toda ti·y- (ti·s-) ‘to be singed’, ti·y-
(ti·c-) ‘to singe, to roast’; Kannaḍa tī ‘to burn, to scorch, to singe, to
parch’; Telugu tīṇḍrincu, tī͂ḍirincu ‘to shine’, tīṇḍra ‘light, brightness,
heat’; Brahui tīn ‘scorching, scorching heat’, tīrūnk ‘spark’. Burrow—
Emeneau 1984:285, no. 3266.
B. Proto-Indo-European *t’ey-/*t’oy-/*t’i- ‘to shine, to be bright’: Sanskrit
dī́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’, devá-ḥ ‘(n.) a deity, god; (adj.) heavenly, divine’, dyótate ‘to
shine, to be bright or brilliant’, dyáuḥ ‘heaven, sky, day’, divá-ḥ ‘heaven,
sky, day’, divyá-ḥ ‘divine, heavenly, celestial; supernatural, wonderful,
magical; charming, beautiful, agreeable’, dīpyáte ‘to blaze, to flare, to
shine, to be luminous or illustrious; to glow, to burn’, dīptá-ḥ ‘blazing,
flaming, hot, shining, bright, brilliant, splendid’, dína-ḥ ‘day’; Greek δῖος
‘heavenly; noble, excellent; divine, marvelous’, Ζεύς ‘Zeus, the sky-god’;
Armenian tiw ‘day’; Latin diēs ‘day’, deus ‘god’; Old Irish die ‘day’; Old
Icelandic teitr ‘glad, cheerful, merry’, tívorr (pl. tívar) ‘god’; Old English
Tīw name of a deity identified with Mars; Lithuanian dienà ‘day’, diẽvas
‘god’, dailùs ‘refined, elegant, graceful’; Old Church Slavic dьnь ‘day’;
Hittite (dat.-loc. sg.) šiwatti ‘day’, (gen. sg.) ši-(i-)ú-na-aš ‘god’; Luwian
(acc. pl.) ti-wa-ri-ya ‘sun’, (nom. sg.) Ti-wa-az name of the sun-god (=
Sumerian ᵈUTU, Akkadian ŠAMŠU, Hittite Ištanu-); Hieroglyphic Luwian
SOL-wa/i-za-sa (*Tiwats or *Tiwazas) name of the sun-god; Palaic (nom.
sg.) Ti-ya-az(-)…..,,,
C. Etruscan tin ‘day’, tiu, tiv-, tiur ‘moon, month’; Rhaetic tiu-ti ‘to the
moon’.
Sumerian dé ‘to smelt’, dé, dè, dè-dal ‘ashes’, dè, diû ‘glowing embers’, dèdal-
la ‘torch’, diû ‘to flare up, to light up; to be radiant, shining; to sparkle, to
shine’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
…………………………………………………………………….

Perhaps we have an Indo-European related Sun divinity in Sumerian?.

So, my theory(someh-how like the big-bang theory wich by common-sense resoneang advanced this hipothesys of an original emergency point)’
-so in a simylar way, but with twoo way strong evidences, in the same way I go back trough the time:
-pre euphratean stage,UNKNOWN !

Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay- (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy- (~ *t’ey-)

Proto-Euphratean (n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;

Euphratean Sum. di ‘to shine’, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’
-proto Indo-european stage *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to burn brightly’
Anatolian IAnatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”)

-proper IE stage,Sanskrit
dī́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’

Averrage aproximate time-line(by me)

Proto-Nostratic-Nostratic15.000-12.000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languagesThe hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.[2] Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period.[3]

Proto-euphratean (unknown) :12.000-7000 BC ! OLD EUROPE!

Mixed Euphratean-Proto-I.E. -Archaic Sumero-tamil stage:7000-3500 B.C.OLD EUROPE!

Proto-Aegean/EBA Cycladic stage:3500-2500 B.C.

Full IE:2500-1500 B.C. (2500 Minoan was not full-IE)

Anatolian(Indo-Hittite) 2500-1000 B.C. Minoan/mixed/unknown/Linear A:2500-2000 Eteocretan,Hieroglyphic Cretan

Linear B 2.200-1000B.C.(start of greek language)

Archaic Greek:1500-500 BC; Homeric: 500BC >1
Koine:1> 500A.D.

******************* VINCA TURDAS CULTURE GODS**********************

*********************Danubian/Old European Gods ****************************

Despite the fact that there was the root :T’ay /t’iy/t’ey/t’ei/T’iy/T’iy-a/Ti,
and could have such a “T/Ti” deity, there are many evidences of a linguistic change, Ti>Di so as had egyptians Ti related deities,we could hav an IE “Di” starting deity.In such long-distance ancient times they not have an structured-organised panteon of gods by logical order.They had (many?) deities folowing not a structured order,but folowing exact their stringent practical needs (warm,feeding..)
So ,out of other many possible Gods and Goddesses and their denominations,(e.g.Bird-Mother-Goddess)this-one could be one of their gods related to living(easy catch fish feeding):
BelBrdo=(brdo/twrdo”whirlpool)” 6500BC old dwelling Danube site :
http://portalenportalen.blogspot.com/2015/02/vinca-culture.html

DAG :”(make a living=fertility)god”?With some-how celestian origin, DAG-AN: (shine-sky):“Sky-God”(old hebrew DAGON)?

Image from http://trueancienthistory.blogspot.ro/2013/05/the-babylonian-history-of-mankind.html

dagon-fish-god-with-mitre-Oannes2

Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure

This “creature”is the same with : http://www.pagannews.com/cgi-bin/wpgods3.pl?Dagon

Nostratic Etymological Index Cover – bulgari-istoria
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/NostraticEtymologicalIndex.pdf
Proto-Nostratic (n.) *da- ‘mother, sister’; (reduplicated) (n.) *da-da- ‘mother, sister’ (nursery words). 144. Proto-Nostratic root *dab- (~ *dǝb-):. (vb.) *dab- ‘to make fast, to join together, to fit together, to fasten (together)’;. (n.) *dab-a ‘joining, fitting, fastening’. 145. Proto-Nostratic root *dag– (~ *dǝg-):. (vb.) dag- ‘to put, to place, …

Dagon – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon
A long-standing association with the word for “fish” dâg, perhaps going back to the Iron Age, has led to an interpretation as a “fish-god”, and the association of “merman” motifs in Assyrian art (such as the “Dagon” relief found by Austen Henry Layard in the 1840s). The god’s name was, however, more likely derived from a …

This is the VINCA FISH-GOD, many alike of different sizez were found on Danube border (LEPENSKI VIR)

Diakonoff – External Connections of the Sumerian Language | Plural …
https://www.scribd.com/…/Diakonoff-External-Connections-of-the-Sumerian-Langua…
… question (probably the Proto-Indo-Europeans); the new tribes ousted the backward ….. 15. dag ‘clean,washed’, dadag ‘clean’ 16. ene, ane …

Sumerian Lexicon

Click to access sumeriandictionaryreliable.pdf

by JA Halloran – ‎
a. Sumerian …… dág: brilliant; pure; clean (‘to go out’ + aga(3), ‘diadem, circlet, crown’). dig: v., to …

From New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection
new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html
Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure’, PIE *dhagwh- ‘to burn, shine’, Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch dag, Gothic dags ‘day’, Tocharian A tsāk- ‘to shine, give light’, AB cok ‘lamp’, Old Irish daig ‘fire’, Old Prussian dagis ‘summer’, Lith. degti ‘to burn’, Skt. dahati ‘to burn’,dagdha ‘burnt’, …

Berossus | Samizdat https://therealsamizdat.com/tag/berossus/

The genotype is also attested in Berossus, as the form of the mentor of mankind, Oannes. The iconographic evidence for these apkallū is manifold and best known from various Assyrian reliefs. We usually refer to them as genii. Bīt Mēseri, however, describes them as purādu-fishes, and this coincides with iconographic …

Full text of “Lectures on the origin and growth of religion as illustrated …

https://archive.org/stream/…/lecturesontheori00saycuoft_djvu.txt

A comparison of Anodaphos and Odakon shows the true reading to have been Anodakon, i.e. “Ann and Dagon (Dagan),” who are constantly associated …… and of his wife Baau (i.e. Baku, lo/m), which is interpreted night, were begotten two mortal men, Aion and Protogonos so called, and Aion discovered food from trees.

Image: DAGON FISH-GOD WITH MITRE/OANNES

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaHPXI_J9Rre3GMz0ETnkEImjC86PgMlBjIkQy2FwNfPGpDyv2

dagon-fish-god-with-mitre-Oannes2

Image from http://www.mesopotamiangods.com/a-namerima-for-iddin-dagan-iddin-dagan-d-translation-2/

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Supposed related cultures to Tartaria tablets

March 20, 2018

THE CULTURES LANDSCAPE FOR THE TABLETS

THE CULTURE LANDSCAPE FOR THE TABLETS

First,an my opinion,this is the broad lanscape:

Here you see how much close is the origin of greek At the origin point,wereProto-Aegean/Vinca-Turdas cultures. The point is very close to the origin of PIE and Anatolian languages.This could be noticed in the Anatolian-Eastern characteristics wich could be traced in Mycenaean and much more in Minoan languages.

See how close to the origin there are twoo languages of the twoo neighbouring countries Greece and Albania.

Going even more back in time,

We see that there is a common point in wich diverged Dravidian and the branch containing PIE.Folowing map,from: https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/in-the-beginning-of-our-civilization/

After this point,but close to it, possible was:
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Proto-Euphratean_language
Proto-Euphratean is a hypothetical unclassified language or languages which was considered by some Assyriologists (for example Samuel Noah Kramer), to be the substratum language of the people that introduced farming into Southern Iraq in the Early Ubaid period (5300-4700 BC).
Dyakonov and Ardzinba identified these hypothetical languages with the Samarran culture.[1]
Benno Landsberger and other Assyriologists argued that by examining the structure of Sumerian names of occupations, as well as toponyms and hydronyms, one can suggest that there was once an earlier group of people in the region who spoke an entirely different language, often referred to as Proto-Euphratean. Terms for “farmer”, “smith”, “carpenter”, and “date” (as in the fruit), also do not appear to have a Sumerian or Semitic origin.
Linguists coined a different term, “banana languages,” proposed by Igor Dyakonov and Vladislav Ardzinba, based on a characteristic feature of multiple personal names attested in Sumerian texts, namely reduplication of syllables (like in the word banana): Inanna, Zababa, Chuwawa, Bunene etc. The same feature was attested in some other unclassified languages, including Minoan, the same feature is allegedly attested by several names of Hyksos rulers: although Hyksos tribes were Semitic, some of their names, like Bnon, Apophis, etc. were apparently non-Semitic by origin.[2]
Rubio challenged the substratum hypothesis, arguing that there is evidence of borrowing from more than one language, this theory is now predominant in the field (Piotr Michalowski, Gerd Steiner, etc.).
A related proposal by Gordon Whittaker[3] is that the language of the proto-literary texts from the Late Uruk period (c. 3350–3100 BC) is an early Indo-European language which he terms “Euphratic”.

This the point is that of proto-elamite=ancient sumero tamil=sumerian.After that point diverged indic languages and Proto-Indo European-ones.

Image; http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Indus/chart.JPG

That’s why many Indo-European languages keep strong sanskrit traces.
In a way or another in neolithic-bronze ages were twoo different coming waves, and there was a population>cultural influx toward Europe from East.From PIE Indo-Hittite branch, Anatolian one remained in Anatolia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe#/media/File:Neolithic_expansion.svg

Folowing map,from: https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/in-the-beginning-of-our-civilization/

So, in any circumstances,the supposed writings could not depass the limits:
-not older than proto-elamite=ancient sumero-tamil=sumerian 3200 B.C.
-Not younger (but same-how possible only for the round tablet)than 2200-1450 B.C. wich is the time between cretan hierogliphic,linear A and linear B.

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Beside I am not confident about supposed age of the tablets 5.200 B.C. wich is not at all possible in my opinion.(Romanian schollars gave this age of the tablets as beeing the same !? of some bones found near-by.)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_vsc7SH3mmcya8yaZsPyBJM-uIppTKybAoO5VyjiOTnwL-kIDzQ

Click to access 2016_2e_Anistoriton.pdf

“Between 3000/2600 and 1450, the period of the birth and development of Cretan Hieroglyphic and Linear A, […] the introduction of a language known to us from elsewhere is unlikely.”

Thus in my opinion the expected language is or close to an early Indo-European language which he terms “Euphratic”.

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TARTARIA ROUND TABLET.Linear A/B approach

March 18, 2018

Careful/ Attention ! This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a known and single writing system but from several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions of writing in general, and it is not known what he intended or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. =====

SCIENTISTS ALLREADY CORRECTLY NOTICED (ME ALSO FULLY AGREE)THAT THE CLOSEST WRITING SYSTEM TO THE SIGNS PRESENT ON TARTARIA TABLETS IS SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM. THE PURPOSE OF PRESENT APPROACH IS ONLY TO TEST HOW CLOSE WOULD BE THE ROUND TARTARIA TABLET TO AEGEAN WRITING.

Not to wait till the finish, I am telling that the out of very few signs found, PA3,PA the tablet is not written in any Aegean writing (Cretan Hieroglyphic,Linear A or Linear B)!

TAR ROUND CRETAN H LINEAR A-B

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET
CRETAN HIEROGLYFIC LINEAR A/B APPROACH

Image, from https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

TartRound

Acknowledgement
I am studing these Tartaria tablets from more than 10 years. Soon after seeing their pictures, I was attracted bewitched/enchanted by the apparent close appearance of signs (especially the upper half of the round tablet) to those of archaic greek. (archaic eta=Heta; rho,etc.) First of all, it seems that ON ALL TABLETS THERE ARE A AGGLOMERATION OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNS (PICTOGRAPHIC, IDEOGRAMS/SYLLABOGRAMS AND POSSIBLE LETTERS).
But there are some questions wich wait answers:
– Nobody could explain an such early appearance of D-shape signs. To my knowledge, they appeared first in Europe in Linear B as representing volume measures units and later in archaic Greek. I had difficulties also with the bow-arrow and “>>” signs.

I SEARCHED IN WICH WRITING MOST OF THE SIGNS ARE TO BE FOUND – Cretan hierogliphic show an old influence from sumerian and Anatolian writings. For signs/icons placed right-downward quarter not found easy matching. They seem to be complex ideograms or kind of ligatured signs. – For carian most of the signs were found. Highest average ! 80%. But pitty, not all signs!. Dificulty arouse not because carian used different signs-shapes-letterss-readings in different ages and places, despite their very greek origin. Not even talk about the carian language wich is partly understood only by 1-2 men (e.g. Ignacio Adiego) out of entire world. There are in total 25 carian alphabets. So the writing and the language each taken apart are difficult and that both combined give a GREAT MESS. – Other European writings as italic-venetic, iberian ond others from Europe has shown an phenomenom like frome some phoenician source letters dispersed all-over Mediterranean area. Table, from Alphabetos de ayer y de hoy http://proel.org/index.php?pagina=alfabetos :

No one writing system could match found/read entirely.
Don’t believe, this happened much easy when used the proto-cuneiform sumerian library of signs.
It seems that sumerians allready wrote novels before Aegeans passed from Cretan hieroglyphic to linear A> linear B.
There is a span close to 1.000 years (700), when they used writing (3.200 BC)before Aegean/Europe (2.500BC) begun.(3.200 BC sumerian proto-cuneiform and 2500 Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A). This folowing picture is of hand-made by me replica.

36320642_1671848542936382_8881202476397625344_n http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.ro/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html Folowing image: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCGJ5DXc0fsaWc67tfd57-J-2TRy0Mwu9JqqG8dK242WM2a4_z

1-st QUADRANT ( downward half- on the right )

See the red sign downward-right quarter From http://cristianluchian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cristian_luchian_tartaria_tablets.jpg

This shape is conducting me (and not a single opinion)to the idea of kind of portable altar with flames on upper side (as this real portable-altar from Vinca Culture) Image from etsy.com

The sign in a way is close to cretan hieroglyphic sign DE, ( turned upside-down) From http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

263ieroglyfikasite

Table,from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

But much close is linear A(also upside-down),sign AB 45

Note.Overall shape of the tablet (cross in circle) is above linear A shape AB77.
But much close to before discussed sign is the linear A “DE” sign
in normal position and in other occurencies turned upside-down

But in the same position also DE in LINEAR B
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/mycenaeans-1229034501455786-1/95/mycenaeans-21-728.jpg?cb=1229006262 From http://www.crystalinks.com/linearb.html

linearb

From Σάββατο, 8 Νοεμβρίου 2014 Systematic analysis reveals relationship of the alphabet with other Mediterranean scripts Cosmas Theodorides http://studialphabetica.blogspot.com/ See Vinca sign E !

FINAL READING:”DE“? E?, or COMPLEX IDEOGRAM for ESCHARA/ALTAR (!incense burner !) ——————————————————- On the right, https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCmagewzI/AAAAAAAAADI/9q2aaDwIMzs/s1600-h/SEgrid.JPG From http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

segrid

From THE MYCENAEAN TREE AND PILLAR CULT AND ITS MEDITERRANEAN RELATIONS. A.EVANS http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult-Mediterranean_Evans.html http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/images/image58.png

.Fig. 54. – Symbols derived from the Egyptian Ankh. 1. The Ankh. 2. Two-armed Egyptian Form. 3 and 4. Hittite Types. 5. From Mycenaean Ring. 6. On Carthaginian Stele.

Close to linear A, AB 80 “E”,or “RI”
See E signs shape, especially that one down-middle-one

Or even linear A, “MA” (having included a horizontal ligature?)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/S_qxpdDgI3I/AAAAAAAAAbA/QcXKTDMye5A/s1600/Linear-A-base.jpg From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *80 MA, perhaps a logogram on HT 146.3, 110b.2, 5 (cf. Linear B ma-ra-tu-wo)

The sign has appearance of a female deity:

Minoan snake goddess figurines – Revolvy
https://www.revolvy.com/…/index.php?s=Minoan%20snake%20goddess%20figurines…
The snake goddess’s Minoan name may be related with A-sa-sa-ra, a possible interpretation of inscriptions found in Linear A texts. Although Linear A is not yet deciphered, Palmer relates tentatively the inscription a-sa-sa-ra-me which seems to have accompanied goddesses, with the Hittite išhaššara, which means …

http://firstlegend.info/thevenuscult.html

Syrio-Hittite Venus 18-1000 BC Central and southwest Anatolia northern Syria
The goddess Astarte is much like the contemporary Venus we see on Cyprus. Large holes apparently for ring decoration (referred to as being “pegged”), palm sized with stubby arms are a common style among other cultures too. The pinched face is found on the stubby armed figurines as well as the pillar shaped statuettes.

TANIT Image from https://www.elinritter.com/tanit-the-goddess-of-ibiza/
A-SA-SA-RA Image, from https://feminismandreligion.com/2014/11/10/has-the-phaistos-disk-been-cracked-by-carol-p-christ/ snake goddess blue background

From DOCUMENTS IN MINOAN LUWIAN, SEMITIC, AND PELASGIAN FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Documents_in_Minoan_Luwian_Semitic_and_P.pdf

“From these data, it may be deduced that the most important deity, with (if we include the abbreviated instances) 17 occurrences in sum, is Asasara, 3 who has been convincingly identified with the Semitic mother-goddess Asherat or Asherah. The most characteristic symbol of this goddess is the double axe, which in writing functions for the expression of the initial vowel of her name, a (E36 or CHIC 042), and as such may be used on its own to refer to her in abbreviation.4 On the south pillar of the pillar crypt in Malia (see Fig. 75), the symbol of Asherah occurs twice in combination with that of a star with either six or eight points. Now, against the backdrop of the identification of the main goddess as Asherah, it stands to reason that we are dealing here with the symbol of the daughter of this mothergoddess, Ashtarte, whose name originates from PIE *h2stḗr- “star”, but we can as yet not be certain of this as we lack an instance of this divine name written out in full. However, this same shortcoming does not affect the symbol of the storm-god in the form of a trident on the north pillar of this same pillar crypt at Malia, because the hieroglyphic inscriptions from the palace of Malia and Quartier Mu at the same site positively allow for the latter’s identification as Luwian Tarkhu(nt). In these texts, namely, the name of Tarkhunt occurs in the form of the goat’s head sign TARKU (E65 or CHIC016) as much as 11 times, and is in frequency outmatched only by that of Asherah referred to in abbreviation by the double axe as much as 12 times (note that in two instances, # 098 and # 112, both deities occur together in the same text). On the other hand, it should be realized that the storm-god may also be referred to by Semitic forms of address like Haddu or Baªal, as it happens to be the case in the text of the discus from Phaistos (# 333), and the altar stone from Malia (# 328) which according to its legend ultimately originates from Skheria (= Hagia Triada) also in the Mesara. In reality, this change from a Luwian to a Semitic form of address for the storm-god may not have been as fundamental for the Minoans as it might seem to us at first sight, as on the A-side of the discus of Phaistos the storm-god is referred to in his Luwian form Tarkh˙unt, again, by his symbol the trident or bolt of lightning

The right sign is close to sign AB 80, linear A “E”( or RI) RIGHT SIGN, LINEAR A “E” or AN ASTRAL DEITY (as ASASARA) ———————————————–

LEFT RIGHT
Hier.DE lin.A E?
lin.A AB45 lin.A AB80
lin.A DE lin.A RI, lin.A MA
Compared with linear B,

Also,not much difference:Lin.B:

LEFT RIGHT E E DE E

Reading: De ; Ri/E ; EDE:”EAT“ /gr. edo:”(I) eat” …………..ede, the same as in quadrant with signs HD:(h)eDe (P.I.E.:”hED“)
Note
The signs seem to be independent icons, not to be read both as a word
( both signs ,DeRI/RiDe EDE DE-MA ?)

EDE:”gr.here,this one,NOW / lat.2-nd imp. “lat.EAT,feed!/Dispatch !”(gr.edo:I eat)

FINAL READING OF THE SIGN SITUATE ON THE RIGHT: “E”/”MA” ? or complex ideogram of an astral deity as ASASARA

FINAL READING FOR BOTH SIGNS:

It seems that there are or words, (E-DE/DE-MA) but rather ideograms/logograms: altar.incense burner <&> fem.astral deity Asasara-like

QUADRANT 2

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s1600/NEgrid.JPG

Upper sign,(encircled-one) +++++ ! There is NO SUCH SIGN 5-teeth comb in Aegean writings ! FromJOHN JOUNGER’s blog, http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *171, logogram on ZA 6a with agricultural commodities (perhaps also on THE Zb 5); in Linear B, it occurs with livestock (fodder? TH nodules)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlih20F28zX6wP_DG5SuHyypORTm7NjXCA_O2gGDnjeIyDAyi-cw

Sign +++++
Cretan Te,”wheat”
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/30/e5/9530e511673bbc954e8153dd163f8862.jpg Cretan hieroglyphs, From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/ideograms/

From From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/ta g/ideograms/

comparison of Cretan TE with symbol for wheat or barley in various ancient scripts

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRykURVevP7C91htJQXSWtUoIKlv_VE7Zk8RacOILleQApR07vw https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B004_TE.svg John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *171, “logogram on ZA 6a with agricultural commodities (perhaps also on THE Zb 5); in Linear B, it occurs with livestock (fodder? TH nodules)” FINAL READING: TE-TE ? what would be tete? or sign like Aegean one in some sort of local script meaning also cereal? CEREALS,WHEAT

======================================= Down, in a row : D D o o (or D D o c ?) As a long row of researchers supposed to have in those 4 signs the Moon phases, this could be taken in account, so representing a full Month with its main phases. Otherwise, I do not know of no single instance, in any known writing, other yhan Jiahu script, where the D-shape to represent the moon. Only as C-shape: IURII MOSENKIS file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/HELLENIC_ORIGIN_OF_EUROPE_Formation_of_t.pdf‘Sign *034 “C“has been suggested to represent MNA (or, if a disyllabic value can be
accepted, MINA), based on its resemblance to the crescent moon (Pope and Raison 1978, 28;Packard 1974, 107; Furumark 1956, 24). And while this idea has not received wide-spread agreement, it may be correct. ————————————————— The D-shape sign is missing in all Aegean before-alphabetic writings ! The folowing is a try, “in place of”/emergency solution. No credit for my part. : D D :Two months? ; From http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2012/04/exploring-cretan-numeral-system.html

Mycenaean-measurement-systems

2 measures of grain, 0,8 litre/each? folowed by number 200 ! nonsense ! From RICHARD VALLANCE blog, https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2015/02/19/mycenaean-linear-b-units-of-measurement-liquid-dry-weight-click-to-enlarge/ https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2015/02/19/mycenaean-linear-b-units-of-measurement-liquid-dry-weight-click-to-enlarge/

units-of-mesurement-in-mycenaean-linear-b

————————————————————————————- Sign “o” Cretan hieroglyphic http://mnamon.sns.it/index.php?page=Simboli&id=35&lang=en sign 073 A TABLE OF SIMILARITIES https://www.teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/…/signary.pdf.. 073 qe (kwe), Cretan Hieroglyphic Grids http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/Hiero/Hgrids.html .. 073 KU3 From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/

*309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a *309b– *309c – ———————————————————————

Siggn “C” From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ Sign *034 has been suggested by several scholars to represent MNA (or, if a disyllabic value can be accepted, MINA), based on its resemblance to the crescent moon (Pope and Raison 1978, 28; Packard 1974, 107; Furumark 1956, 24).

Linear A , sign A309a http://mnamon.sns.it/index.php?page=Simboli&id=19&lang=en From John JOUNGER http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/

sign A309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a and…. (me:nothing about meaning)

“oo“-signs: mycenaean”100 ;-100” so 200 ?

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D D o o : two months + 200 ? D=meno

From https://www.academia.edu/15310428/Linear_B_Lexicon_by_Chris_Tselentis_Greece_

me-no menos meinos …………men>menas mein>meinas

month (men= month/moon/anAnatolian deity)

men’-o

Verb

Definition

to remain, abide
1. in reference to place
  1. to sojourn, tarry
  2. not to depart 1a
2. to continue to be present 1a
3. to be held, kept, continually
4. in reference to time
  1. to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure 1b
5. of persons, to survive, live
6. in reference to state or condition
  1. to remain as one, not to become another or different
to wait for, await one

https://glosbe.com/el/en/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 μαινόμενος livid{ adjective }very angry, furious

D D o o MOON/remain,abidex2=plural egg/oo,oio/originate

D D oo MENO MENoio menoio=menoio(s) “MINoan(s)”

See people.ds.cam.ac.uk/naz21/bird_and_egg.Zair.pdfPDF PIE ‘bird’ and ‘egg’ after Schindler

de N ZAIR

(The sumerian proto-cuneiform signs and archaic greek letters are fitting much easier/very easy) NOTE THAT: – ALLMOST ALL OF EARLIER WORLD WRITINGS WERE ECONOMICAL ACCOUNTS – IN 3 SOME OF THE FIRST WRITINGS, D-SIGNS WAS FOR : 1.BEVELED BOWL, DISH.DAYLY (bread,cereal)RATIO,BREAD in sumerian proto-cuneiform 2. “LOAF OF BREAD“,”T” in Egypt 3. VOLUME MEASURE IN LINEAR B

Beveled-rim bowls (left) used for the disbursement of rations … https://www.researchgate.net/…/Beveled-rim-bowls-left-used-for-the-disbursement-of-rat… “Beveled-rim bowls (left) used for the disbursement of rations represented by the sign GAR (middle, left column) which could be used to designate a ration of a …”

FINAL READING: 2 VOLUME UNITS ; 100 100 “200 DOUBLE-MEASURES“? ———————————————————

QUADRANT 3

See archaic Heta-like sign No.6 “NU”?

Linear A sign “BE”/”PE”?? No! https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

(but exact shape of linear B sign PA3) From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *56 (PA₃), HT 9b.1, 132.2, 34.6

Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans – CLAS Users
users.clas.ufl.edu/drjdg/historical/pubs/IE.pdf
*peh2- ‘protect; feed’ (آHittite:ً pa-ah-sa(pahsa): protect, guards 3sg.Skt. pa-ti ‘protects’) : *peh2-trom / *peh2-dhlom … OPULENT (same root [*op-1] as Lat. opera ‘works’ etc.).

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂- – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
to reconstruct *h₃ … Ancient Greek: πατέομαι (patéomai, “to eat”).

Folowing, the moon-like sign D-shaped ! THERE IS NO D-shaped sign IN AEGEAN WRITINGS EXCEPT for VOLUME UNIT !
I try to be read Mi-Ni,Me-No,ME-NA ( the MOON )

A TABLE OF SIMILARITIES
https://www.teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf .? (as in me-na. . the moon), or qim (kwi, as in qi-si-pe- e,

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 Proto-Hellenic *ménos, from Proto-Indo-European *ménos (“mind”

Pe-MeNa ?? PEMEN >> gr.phemen see https://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=206&T1=%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
gr.Phemi> phamen, phaimen

If we have linear B “PA3” then PA-MEN >gr.PHAMEN
φημί • (phēmí) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
1.I speak, say.
1.I think
2.(of an author) I write
3.(φησί or ἔφη used when quoting, sometimes after another verb of saying) quotations ▼
2.I say yes, agree, affirm, assert
1.(with οὐ) I say no, deny, refuse quotations ▼
2.(φημί or οὕτως φημί as interjection) yes, I would say so

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
Semantic shift from “protector” towards “shepherd, herder” can be seen in many branches, signifying the importance of herding. Unusual is the o-grade root in Greek ποιμήν (poimḗn, “shepherd, herdsman”),

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD
Mycenaean Greek (po-me), Latin pascō (“put to graze”), pāstor (“shepherd”), Sanskrit पाति (pā́ti),
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My note
Gr.hed>ed (eat) Pa(teomai)(eat)
In PIE ed :to bite=to eat used same root ED related also with teeth (edontos)

ed-, edi- – Word Information
wordinfo.info/unit/4532/ip:1/il:E
Latin: edere, “to bite, to eat; eating, eatable; consume” … Etymology: from Indo-European ed-, “eat” which produced the basic word for “eat” in many European languages. From Greek edein and Latin edere, “to eat”. eatable (adjective), more eatable, most eatable. Referring to something that is safe toeat: People have to be …

Note also:
Sumerian HEDU:”ornament” (En-hedu-ana),and

use of theses – ANU Repository

Click to access 02Whole_Lee.pdf

b The Greek words ‘hedea’. (‘pleasant-things’} and ‘hedonai’ (‘pleasures’) can denote,. 61 firstly, things or events external to the agent, secondly,. 62 the agent’s bodily sensations, and, thirdly, certain. 61 In Homer, the word ‘hedu’ seems to function in much the same way as ‘gluku’-z’Sweet’), ..

Wich come to kid <=>gr./lat.:hed,hedus= sweet FromANISTORITON Journal of History, Archaeology, ArtHistory: Viewpoints http://www.a nistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm One of the faces reads: Pa–me-ni po-lo 100 The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos) Please also note that the …

signs PA Moon > PA–MENI, PAMMENOS :”ALL MONTHs=(this) YEAR !!

https://journals.linguisticsociety.org/elanguage/pragmatics/article/download/541/541-873-1-PB.pdfCYPRIOT: How’s it going? – Pos pai; Note Anatolian/hittite has pa/pai :”give”

From https://archive.org/stream/dumezil-archaic-roman-religion-with-an-appendix-on-the-religion-of-the-etruscans-part-1/dumezil-archaic-roman-religion-with-an-appendix-on-the-religion-of-the-etruscans-part-1_djvu.txt This is the list of specialized entities whose names the flamen of Ceres recites when he sacrifices to that goddess and to Tellus ( quos inuocat pamen sacrum ceriale faciens Telluri et Cereri ).

See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh%E2%82%82 ——————————————————————————————————————————–Signs: PA3 MOON ( PA;PAi )

Phaistos – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos Phaistos also transliterated as Phaestos, Festos and Latin Phaestus, currently refers to a … After 1955 the place name, 𐀞𐀂𐀵, pa-i-to, interpreted as Phaistos (written in Mycenaean Greek), began to turn up in the Linear B tablets at Knossos,

MINOAN GREEK SOCIETY IN LINEAR A | iurii mosenkis – Academia.eduwww.academia.edu/…/MINOAN_GREEK_SOCIETY_IN_LI… … form of Greek ϕάϜος ‘light’ and means ‘the most lighted‘ (*φαϜ–ιστ-ος)1. … Four main palaces of Neopalatial period (Knossos, Phaistos, Mallia, and Kato …

PAi, as in PASIPFAI ; PA=PASI =”All” as in Pasitheoi “all gods” PA/PAi -(whatever Moon name) >? PA/PAi–Mi-Ni(mene,meinei) =”ALL/LIGHTED MOON” ?? P.S. One would think “all Moon” as Full Moon or as entire phases….

(The combination PA +Volume unit is kind of nonsense : ALL VOLUME UNITS!?ALL BOWL!?) FINAL READING : PA+VOLUME UNIT/DISH >> ALL (CEREAL) BOWLS/PORTIONS (?)

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lowLeftdraw

Upper signs,left-one:” bow-arrow” THERE IS NO SUCH A SIGN IN AEGEAN WRITINGS !
Cretan Hieroglyphic A,U?; F Linear A SI? From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *41 (SI), common / TU/ WA ? From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *323, HT 96a.3,4 (??)

Linear B,”ZO”?
NO-one match entirely,only “XE=Kse” from Cypriot syllabary
——————————————————————————– Next right sign “>>” THERE IS NO SUCH SIGN IN AEGEAN WRITINGS !
Match only “Pi” from cypriot syllabary, and linear A > :”TI” From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ *37 (TI), common My note:but is 90 deg. rotated! AT THE LIMIT/FORCED READING:”TI”
—————————————————————————————- The last,downward it is linear A/B “PA” ——————————————————————— Now all 3 signs appear: WA TiTi

PA or Cypriot: Xe Pi

No mycenaean word xe-Pi,Pi-Pa or that kind. This could be the end of my attempt to read this tablet using Mycenaean signs (Cretan Hieroglyphic/Minoan Linear A/B signs). I cannot take some signs from one writing and other on the tablet from another syllabary or writing. This could be a good exemple for proving a writing not partain of one supposed writing system (syllabary in our case) Pro-argument to use (Mr.Vallance Janke, http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html ): “And I do agree with the theory that Hieroglyphic signs are ultimately ancestral to the Linear sytems. These include not only Linear A, but also its offsrings outside Crete, such as Linear B in mainland Greece, Cypro-Minoan and Linear C on Cyprus.”

But give another chance: Bow-Arrow:Cretan Hieroglyphic sign 048. From: http://chainimage.com/image/table-of-standardized-cretan-hieroglyphic-signs

Related image

http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html MitchMarch 12, 2011 at 10:54 AM “The Cretan Hieroglyphic Signs and their Suspected
Linear A Equivalents”

#048, 049 ‘archery’ signs (141) = AB41 / si (me):And >> sign cretan Hieroglyphic sign 018:”ru2(rjiu,lu) https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary_July2017.pdf. So,

Si Ru/Rju

Pa/psa >> Pa:”All”

SIRU/SIRJU PA(siteoi-like?) SIRJU<?>SIRU or SIRJIU<?>SIRU(OSIRIS)? From the spiritual substratum of bronze age mediterranean & circum pontic …https://issuu.com/alaoupi/docs/-the_spiritual_substratum_of_bronze “Apart from Siru or Serio, who represents a ‘sun’ god, there is a lunar / solar trinity including Nopina (in later Greek = Nymph or Maiden), who”

From Sacred and the Profane, The – Dictionary definition of Sacred and the …https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias…/sacred-and-profane “In general the synonyms in the Indo–European languages for what the metalanguages imply with their contrast between profane and sacred boil down to a … In Babylonian, kug is translated with ellu (“[ritually] pure, bright, free”), mah with siru (“first-rank, exalted”),”

From Minoan civilization originated in Anatolia! – History Forum ~ All …archive.worldhistoria.com › … › Ancient Mediterranean and Europe

In terms of culture, the Hurrians (like their other relatives the Sumerians), believe in the sky diety ANU. … SIRUTE KERAIZO SIRU to destroy

SIRU PA :”Rase/DESTROY ALL” ? Maybe; as smashing all items(idols) used in ritual? Could be. ———————————————————– IT SEEMS THAT THIS TABLET IS NOT WRITTEN IN AN AEGEAN WRITING, RATHER IN SOME ANATOLIAN VARIANT ! From Alphabets of Asia Minor https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

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Tartaria “SUN TABLET” (round) shows hardest to be read

WHY SUCH A GREAT AMOUNT OF MISTERY AROUND TARTARIA TABLETS SUBJECT?

regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥ – Wiktionary

KOGAION, AION and ION.Origin and linguistic relations.

Begin. Tab. I. A. Α̈̓ιδιοτης, æternitas, perpetuitas. [A Greek-Latin …

Cata- | Define Cata- at Dictionary.com

VINCA-TURDAS CIVILISATION (THEIR) SIGNS, GODS AND SOUNDS (~ 5000 B.C.)

“D” shape was for the idea of light ? and sounded “Di”?

From The Roots of the Sanskrit Language – jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/2935779

From Psalms, Proverbs – Page 555 – Google Books Result https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1414398883

[PDF]Derivatives of Nostratic Root Morpheme *Ya – “To Shine, To Glow, To …

Nominal composition in Mycenaean Greek – Wiley Online Library

From Various Versions of the Linear A Libation Formula, again, but now in …

From Pre-Mycenaean Greeks in Crete | iurii mosenkis – Academia.edu

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,Upper half,astonishing findings.

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET. Sumerian approach.1

From http://enenuru.net/html/misc/enensilugal.htm

En [En] close to priest-lord

http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/142/city-seals-early-political-alliances#ixzz58xP8fo57

“unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple” Akk. mākalû; mūšabu; usukku; šubtu”

Any case, it is the sign of an astral god/goddess, like Astarte,Tanit or minoan-micenaean Asasara. Image from http://thingsinthree.blogspot.com/2011/07/before-tertius.html

From FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN DOCUMENTS IN MINOAN LUWIAN, SEMITIC, AND PELASGIAN https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MlXuANT4kcZHS4RZCLwSj1TS_lNP-JJaO9dfHtIqmI0/edit

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CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS SACRED PLACE.Sum.KUGA become gr. Kogaionon?

Mount Sinai – Wikipedia

VINCA TURDAS CULTURE. SIGNS,GODS AND SOUNDS

The mother goddess and the owl https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/the-mother-goddess-and-the-owl/

Berossus | Samizdat https://therealsamizdat.com/tag/berossus/

Full text of “Lectures on the origin and growth of religion as illustrated …

Supposed related cultures to Tartaria tablets

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET.Linear A/B approach

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