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TARTARIA ROUND TABLET.Sumerian approach,

March 22, 2018

TartRound (more…)

Supposed related cultures to Tartaria tablets

March 20, 2018

THE CULTURES LANDSCAPE FOR THE TABLETS

THE CULTURE LANDSCAPE FOR THE TABLETS

First,an my opinion,this is the broad lanscape:

Here you see how much close is the origin of greek At the origin point,wereProto-Aegean/Vinca-Turdas cultures. The point is very close to the origin of PIE and Anatolian languages.This could be noticed in the Anatolian-Eastern characteristics wich could be traced in Mycenaean and much more in Minoan languages.

See how close to the origin there are twoo languages of the twoo neighbouring countries Greece and Albania.

Going even more back in time,

We see that there is a common point in wich diverged Dravidian and the branch containing PIE.Folowing map,from:                                   https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/in-the-beginning-of-our-civilization/


After this point,but close to it, possible was:
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Proto-Euphratean_language
Proto-Euphratean is a hypothetical unclassified language or languages which was considered by some Assyriologists (for example Samuel Noah Kramer), to be the substratum language of the people that introduced farming into Southern Iraq in the Early Ubaid period (5300-4700 BC).
Dyakonov and Ardzinba identified these hypothetical languages with the Samarran culture.[1]
Benno Landsberger and other Assyriologists argued that by examining the structure of Sumerian names of occupations, as well as toponyms and hydronyms, one can suggest that there was once an earlier group of people in the region who spoke an entirely different language, often referred to as Proto-Euphratean. Terms for “farmer”, “smith”, “carpenter”, and “date” (as in the fruit), also do not appear to have a Sumerian or Semitic origin.
Linguists coined a different term, “banana languages,” proposed by Igor Dyakonov and Vladislav Ardzinba, based on a characteristic feature of multiple personal names attested in Sumerian texts, namely reduplication of syllables (like in the word banana): Inanna, Zababa, Chuwawa, Bunene etc. The same feature was attested in some other unclassified languages, including Minoan, the same feature is allegedly attested by several names of Hyksos rulers: although Hyksos tribes were Semitic, some of their names, like Bnon, Apophis, etc. were apparently non-Semitic by origin.[2]
Rubio challenged the substratum hypothesis, arguing that there is evidence of borrowing from more than one language, this theory is now predominant in the field (Piotr Michalowski, Gerd Steiner, etc.).
A related proposal by Gordon Whittaker[3] is that the language of the proto-literary texts from the Late Uruk period (c. 3350–3100 BC) is an early Indo-European language which he terms “Euphratic”.

This the point is that of proto-elamite=ancient sumero tamil=sumerian.After that point diverged indic languages and Proto-Indo European-ones.

Image; http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Indus/chart.JPG

That’s why many Indo-European languages keep strong sanskrit traces.
In a way or another in neolithic-bronze ages were twoo different coming waves, and there was a population>cultural influx toward Europe from East.From PIE Indo-Hittite branch, Anatolian one remained in Anatolia.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe#/media/File:Neolithic_expansion.svg


Folowing map,from: https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/in-the-beginning-of-our-civilization/

So, in any circumstances,the supposed writings could not depass the limits:
-not older than proto-elamite=ancient sumero-tamil=sumerian 3200 B.C.
-Not younger (but same-how possible only for the round tablet)than 2200-1450 B.C. wich is the time between cretan hierogliphic,linear A and linear B.

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Beside I am not confident about supposed age of the tablets 5.200 B.C. wich is not at all possible in my opinion.(Romanian schollars gave this age of the tablets as beeing the same !? of some bones found near-by.)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_vsc7SH3mmcya8yaZsPyBJM-uIppTKybAoO5VyjiOTnwL-kIDzQ

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/2016_2e_Anistoriton.pdf
“Between 3000/2600 and 1450, the period of the birth and development of Cretan Hieroglyphic and Linear A, […] the introduction of a language known to us from elsewhere is unlikely.”

Thus in my opinion the expected language is or close to an early Indo-European language which he terms “Euphratic”.

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET.Linear A/B approach

March 18, 2018

TAR ROUND CRETAN H LINEAR A-B

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET
CRETAN HIEROGLYFIC LINEAR A/B APPROACH

https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

TartRound

Acknowledgement
I am studing this very tablet from more than 10 years.Soon I was attracted bewitched/enchanted by the apparent close appearance of signs to those of archaic greek. (signs archaic eta=Heta; zeta,etc.)                                                                                                    Despite my effortts, even I found most of the signs in
-archaic greek or in
-cretan hieroglyphics/linear A/B or in
-carian
-other e.g. venetic,iberian etc.
They could not depass in every writings an average percentage of say 80-85% of signs.
Exemple:
– For archaic greek,could not explain such early appearance of D-shape signs.Also the bow-arrow sign and “>>” sign.                                                                                                            – For cretan hierogliphic show an archaic primitive egyptian/anatolian anatolian-influenced writing.Also D-shape, bow-arrow, and not full-matching of signs/icons placed right-downward quarter.                                                                                                                     – For carian most of the signs were found.Highest average ! 90%. But pitty, not all signs!. Dificulty arouse not because one it is supposed to expect, say cannot find signs, but by cause they  used different signs-shapes-letterss-readings in different ages and places, despite their very greek origin.Not even talk about the carian language wich is partly understood only be 1-2 men (e.g.Adiego) out of entire world.  There are in total 25 carian alphabets. So the writing and the language are every taken in part difficult and both combined a GREAT MESS.                                                                                   – Other European writings as italic-venetic,iberian ond others from Europe had show an phenomenom like frome some phoenician source dispersed out of control of supposed original signs usage. table, from 

No one writing system could be found/read entirely.
Don’t believe, this happened much easy when used the proto-cuneiform sumerian library of signs.
It seems that sumerians begin to use signs, sumerians allready wrote novels before aegeans passed from cretan hieroglyphic to linear A> linear B.
There are hundred/thousends years when they used writing before Aegean/Europe begun to choose change between signs and use of writing.(3000 BC sumerian proto hierogliphic 2000-1500 cretan hieroglyphic linear A.).
Despite this difficulty, only for comparison purposes I made all approaches to try to read and to compare the results.                                                                                             https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD5kOPzyRbCx16SOHNYI_JFdR5kACAdzi4Fc_rqu4_ayIAqf0u                        http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.ro/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCGJ5DXc0fsaWc67tfd57-J-2TRy0Mwu9JqqG8dK242WM2a4_z

See the red sign http://cristianluchian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cristian_luchian_tartaria_tablets.jpg

Tart RED

This shape is conducting me (and not a single opinion)to the idea of kind of portable altar with flames on upper side:

The sign in a way is close to cretan hieroglyphic sign DE, (180deg turned/upside down)

Table,from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

But much close is linear A(also upside-down),sign AB 45

Note.Overall shape of the tablet (cross in circle) is above linear A shape AB77.
But much close to before discussed sign is the linear A DE sign
in normal position and in other occurencies turned upside-down

LINEAR B
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/mycenaeans-1229034501455786-1/95/mycenaeans-21-728.jpg?cb=1229006262

On the right,

From THE MYCENAEAN TREE AND PILLAR CULT AND ITS MEDITERRANEAN RELATIONS. A.EVANS http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult-Mediterranean_Evans.html http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/images/image58.png

image58

.Fig. 54. – Symbols derived from the Egyptian Ankh. 1. The Ankh. 2. Two-armed Egyptian Form. 3 and 4. Hittite Types. 5. From Mycenaean Ring. 6. On Carthaginian Stele.

Close to linear A, AB 80 “E”,or “RI”
See E signs shape, especially that one down-middle-one

Or even linear A, “MA” (having included a horizontal ligature?)

The sign has appearance of a female deity:

Minoan snake goddess figurines – Revolvy
https://www.revolvy.com/…/index.php?s=Minoan%20snake%20goddess%20figurines…
The snake goddess’s Minoan name may be related with A-sa-sa-ra, a possible interpretation of inscriptions found in Linear A texts. Although Linear A is not yet deciphered, Palmer relates tentatively the inscription a-sa-sa-ra-me which seems to have accompanied goddesses, with the Hittite išhaššara, which means …

http://firstlegend.info/thevenuscult.html

Syrio-Hittite Venus 18-1000 BC Central and southwest Anatolia northern Syria
The goddess Astarte is much like the contemporary Venus we see on Cyprus. Large holes apparently for ring decoration (referred to as being “pegged”), palm sized with stubby arms are a common style among other cultures too. The pinched face is found on the stubby armed figurines as well as the pillar shaped statuettes.

TANIT
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn8zXkui3VB2aPcvRqRZb_51nMVN5AxlovaPKMNnsoMJveYUFkcw

A-SA-SA-RA
https://www.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fc9%2Fbb%2F5b%2Fc9bb5b87cefec1f6ef4a188e28fa7f8f–minoan-crete.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fcchristodoulopo%2Fminoan-crete%2F&docid=_x7U8Avj-OvZ5M&tbnid=IB6oURdnRDfaHM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiamqymkM7ZAhWG8ywKHRFfD5EQMwh9KDUwNQ..i&w=234&h=375&bih=662&biw=1366&q=hititte%20ishara%20minoan%20a-sa-sa-ra-me%20goddess&ved=0ahUKEwiamqymkM7ZAhWG8ywKHRFfD5EQMwh9KDUwNQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOwTjXrOXS_bmNcrHpTEPIQHh4aPV2Fnnyckn7b17vjFbVPZzAlw

Greek Mycenaean PSI type terracotta female, 1300-230 B.C.
with upraised arms and dark brown decorations; it shows
that the Minoan civilization was much more advanced, but
the very same idea is depicted here.
Please note the consistent raising of the arms,

The right sign is close to linear A, AB 80 or RI

LEFT RIGHT
Hier.DE linA E?
linA AB45 linA AB80
linA DE linA RI
linA MA
Compared vith linear B,

Also,not much difference:Lin.B:

LEFT RIGHT
DE E

Reading: De ; Ri/E ;
Note
The signs seem to be independent icons, not to be read both as a word
( both signs ,DeRI/RiDe EDE DE-MA ?)

EDE:”gr.here,this one,NOW / lat.2-nd imp. “lat.EAT,feed!/Dispatch !”(gr.edo:I eat)

QUADRANT 2

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s1600/NEgrid.JPG

Upper-Right

Upper sign,(encircled-one)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlih20F28zX6wP_DG5SuHyypORTm7NjXCA_O2gGDnjeIyDAyi-cw

Sign +++++
Cretan Te,”wheat”

Down, in a row : D D o o (or D D o c ?)

D D :Two months?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdJZsAep5U4BWZyr3rOwSgtq9jQ-7nVqiU_yy_h9zVPfKdOLRN

D D o o : two monts + 200 ?

QUADRANT 3

Up-LeftRAW

RoUp-Left2

See archaic Heta-like sign No.6 “NU”?

Linear A sign “BE”/”PE”?? No!                                                           https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

(but exact shape of linear B sign PA3)

Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans – CLAS Users
users.clas.ufl.edu/drjdg/historical/pubs/IE.pdf
*peh2- ‘protect; feed’ (آHittite:ً pa-ah-sa(pahsa): protect, guards 3sg.Skt. pa-ti ‘protects’) : *peh2-trom / *peh2-dhlom … OPULENT (same root [*op-1] as Lat. opera ‘works’ etc.).

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂- – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
to reconstruct *h₃ … Ancient Greek: πατέομαι (patéomai, “to eat”).

Folowing, the moon-like sign D-shaped
I propose to be read Mi-Ni,Me-No,ME-NA ( the MOON )

A TABLE OF SIMILARITIES
https://www.teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf                                  .? (as in me-na. . the moon), or qim (kwi, as in qi-si-pe- e,

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 Proto-Hellenic *ménos, from Proto-Indo-European *ménos (“mind”

Pe-MeNa ??                                                                                                                                  PEMEN >> gr.phemen see https://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=206&T1=%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
gr.Phemi> phamen, phaimen

If we have linear B “PA3” then PA-MEN >gr.PHAMEN
φημί • (phēmí) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
1.I speak, say.
1.I think
2.(of an author) I write
3.(φησί or ἔφη used when quoting, sometimes after another verb of saying) quotations ▼
2.I say yes, agree, affirm, assert
1.(with οὐ) I say no, deny, refuse quotations ▼
2.(φημί or οὕτως φημί as interjection) yes, I would say so

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
Semantic shift from “protector” towards “shepherd, herder” can be seen in many branches, signifying the importance of herding. Unusual is the o-grade root in Greek ποιμήν (poimḗn, “shepherd, herdsman”),

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD
Mycenaean Greek  (po-me), Latin pascō (“put to graze”), pāstor (“shepherd”), Sanskrit पाति (pā́ti),
——————————————–
My note
Gr.hed>ed (eat) Pa(teomai)(eat)
In PIE ed :to bite=to eat used same root ED related also with teeth (edontos)

ed-, edi- – Word Information
wordinfo.info/unit/4532/ip:1/il:E
Latin: edere, “to bite, to eat; eating, eatable; consume” … Etymology: from Indo-European ed-, “eat” which produced the basic word for “eat” in many European languages. From Greek edein and Latin edere, “to eat”. eatable (adjective), more eatable, most eatable. Referring to something that is safe toeat: People have to be …

Note also:
Sumerian HEDU:”ornament” (En-hedu-ana),and

use of theses – ANU Repository
https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/10489/2/02Whole_Lee.pdf
b The Greek words ‘hedea’. (‘pleasant-things’} and ‘hedonai’ (‘pleasures’) can denote,. 61 firstly, things or events external to the agent, secondly,. 62 the agent’s bodily sensations, and, thirdly, certain. 61 In Homer, the word ‘hedu’ seems to function in much the same way as ‘gluku’-z’Sweet’), ..

Wich come to kid <=>gr./lat.:hed,hedus= sweet

QUADRANT 4

Picture, from https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST4uXpqRcb9bf0G2R9ZPKbQSLtZ1tlyirRkwcMIRHtgcLLhyZ9UQ

lowLeftdraw

Upper signs,left-one:” bow-arrow”
Cretan Hieroglyphic A,U?; Linear A SI? / TU/ WA ? Linear B,”ZO”?
NO-one match entirely,only “XE=Kse” from Cypriot syllabary
Next right sign “>>
MNo -one sign in Cretan Hiero,,nor in Liniar A/B ! Match only “Pi” from cypriot syllabary, and linear A > :”TI”
The last,downward it is linear A/B “PA”                                   WA    TiTi

PA                                                or Cypriot:    Xe       Pi

Pa                                                                                                                            No mycenaean word xe-Pi,Pi-Pa or that kind.                                                                           This could be the end of my attempt to read this tablet using Mycenaean signs (Cretan Hieroglyphic/Minoan Linear A/B signs).                                                                                           I cannot take some signs from one writing and other on the tablet from another syllabary or writing.                                                                                                                        This could be a good exemple for proving a writing not partain of one supposed writing system (syllabary in our case)                                                               Pro-argument to use (Mr.Vallance Janke, http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html ):                                                                                                      “And I do agree with the theory that Hieroglyphic signs are ultimately ancestral to the Linear sytems. These include not only Linear A, but also its offsrings outside Crete, such as Linear B in mainland Greece, Cypro-Minoan and Linear C on Cyprus.”

But give another chance: Bow-Arrow:Cretan Hieroglyphic sign 048. From: http://chainimage.com/image/table-of-standardized-cretan-hieroglyphic-signs

Related image

http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html MitchMarch 12, 2011 at 10:54 AM “The Cretan Hieroglyphic Signs and their Suspected
Linear A Equivalents”

#048, 049 ‘archery’ signs (141) = AB41 / si                                                                                        (me):And >> sign cretan Hieroglyphic sign 018:”ru2(rjiu,lu) https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary_July2017.pdf.  So,

Si             Ru/Rju

 Pa/psa >> Pa:”All

SIRU/SIRJU PA(siteoi-like?)  SIRJU<?>SIRU or SIRJIU<?>SIRU(OSIRIS)?                                                     From the spiritual substratum of bronze age mediterranean & circum pontic …https://issuu.com/alaoupi/docs/-the_spiritual_substratum_of_bronze                               “Apart from Siru or Serio, who represents a ‘sun’ god, there is a lunar / solar trinity including Nopina (in later Greek = Nymph or Maiden), who”

From Sacred and the Profane, The – Dictionary definition of Sacred and the …https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias…/sacred-and-profane         “In general the synonyms in the IndoEuropean languages for what the metalanguages imply with their contrast between profane and sacred boil down to a … In Babylonian, kug is translated with ellu (“[ritually] pure, bright, free”), mah with siru (“first-rank, exalted”),”      

From Minoan civilization originated in Anatolia! – History Forum ~ All …archive.worldhistoria.com › … › Ancient Mediterranean and Europe

In terms of culture, the Hurrians (like their other relatives the Sumerians), believe in the sky diety ANU. … SIRUTE KERAIZO SIRU to destroy

SIRU PA :”Rase/DESTROY ALL” ? Maybe; as smashing all items(idols) used in ritual? Could be.

TARTARIA SQUARED TABLET (with hole)LINEAR A/B APPROACH

March 18, 2018

TARTARIA SQUARED TABLET (with hole)LINEAR A/B APPROACHTART. SQU HOLE linA,B