Careful/ Attention ! This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. ======= Scientists were focussed on the folowing main issues:
- Place of origin
- Age
- The place in the World writing developement
- Kind of writing, true writing ?
My opinion is that the shape of signs are only reflecting the general shape of that proto-cuneiform ones. In fact, and more exactly reflect the sumerian philum.This influence could be seen in Aegean, Anatolian and Phoenician writings. See Non-scribal Communication Media in the Bronze Age Aegean and … books.google.ro › books
See hypothesis of sumerian origin of Aegean Proto-Linear writing/G.Kenanidis & E.Papakitsos). From (PDF) Cretan Hieroglyphics & Protolinear Script | Giannhs …www.academia.edu › Cretan_Hieroglyphics_and_Protolin..
From (PDF) Minoan Sumerian | Giannhs Kenanidhs – Academia.eduwww.academia.edu › Minoan_Sumerian*Corresponding Author: Evangelos C. Papakitsos
From https://images.app.goo.gl/1vmhyjtsPJBgFPsP6 Field Guide to Ancient Minoans
The signs are reflecting an Anatolian-Eagean economic and cultural exchange.
From https://images.app.goo.gl/4qcDKSGNxN2xycqw9 THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MINOAN TRADING EMPIRE
The balance is not definitely inclining toward Anatolia or Aegean areas (maybe slightly toward Anatolia ?). From https://images.app.goo.gl/EdhaFmTvYWcKaspy5 Map of the Anatolian Trade Network, active during the Early Bronze Age
Scientists noticed the relation between Crete/minoans and Anatolia/Luwians, in Lnear A and B writings. From https://images.app.goo.gl/gJyTtYxVyF6iGdwbA Minoan World (1900-1425 î.Hr.)
———————————– See Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and
Archaeological Evidence* WOLF-DIETRICH NIEMEIER https://olliancientgreece.weebly.com/uploads/3/9/6/0/39607437/greeksinorient.pdf Karia and Krete: a study in social and cultural
interaction https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1383786/1/FINAL%20SUBMISSION%5B1%5D.pdf
See the closeness of the signs on Tartaria tablets with Anatolian ones: From ALFABETO CARIO
From Alphabets of Asia Minor http://babaev.tripod.com/script/asiam.html
See also the closeness of the signs on tartaria tablets with those of Agenean signs: From https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-by-Evans-1909-232-3_fig1_273096050
———————————————— The signs on tablets are reflecting a chain influence of writing developement: Sumerian proto-cuneiform > Cretan hieroglyphic, Linear A/B > Anatolian/Phoenician/Archaic greek alphabets Note that the time of above writings was: – 3.500-3.000 B.C./sumerian proto-cuneiform – 2.200-2.000 B.C./ Cretan hieroglyphic 2.000-1.500 BC Linear A – 1.200-500 B.C. /Anatolian and greek archaic alphabets
——————————– There are two main posibilities : – the tablets are modern artefacts (so many signs from extensive area and large time-span much easy accesible toward our time) – genuine Anatolian-Aegean ones (material support/clay physical condition) The sign analisis is not definitely pointing exactly to one of Anatolian or Aegean areas, so the place of origin cannot be precisely defined. (?slightly toward Anatolia ?) The time roughly between 2500-500 B.C., much likely around 1000-500 B.C. Some Anatolian signs show an ancient sumerian influence.
It seem that the scribe was not a scribe by profession; he cannod handle and use properly so many signs used in Anatolia. We must be aware that only carians used some 4 kind of different alphabets (Mylasa, Egypt etc); Add to these: Lidian, Lician, Pamphilian, Palaic, Phrygian ones. Possible only one portion is containing true writing (“HD DDoc”- sequence on the round tablet, wich could be read using archaic greec alphabets). If the round tablets was traced by an carian, there are no chances to be read by other in the World than Mr. Ignacio Adiego. ================ Example: ===============
Signs HP greek reading ERa/Hera/HeRo(s)
Reconsidering the Hera-Pottery from the Samian Heraion and …publications.dainst.org › index.php › article › download PDFWith the exception of Naukratis (see below), the Samian Heraion is so far the exclusive findspot of Hera-vases, i. e., pots carrying the HP dipinti
STAMPED AMPHORA HANDLES FROM
TEL MIKHAL (TEL MICHAL)
DONALD T. ARIEL
file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/E89_91.pdf A significant number of stamps with an eta-rho
ligature have been published. However, these
stamps may belong to different groups.
Grace (1971:93, No. 77) described one group
of similar—but circular—stamps as Samian,
and maintained that the monogram stood for
Hera or her sanctuary.
(PDF) Underground quarries in the area of Agiades, Samos …www.researchgate.net › publication › 329769878_Under…Nov 10, 2018 — A control of Hera‘s sanctuary over the quarries at Agiades is implied by the frequent appearance of the letters HP on slabs used in Eupalinos
The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto …hosting03.snu.ac.kr › old › genetic › Mallory,Adams(2006) PDF Reconstructed PIE in-law terminology (for the husband) 217. 12.3. … thirty tomb inscriptions, Sidetic about half a dozen, and Carian, which is not … of the house, lord, owner’, era ‘mistress, lady, owner’, Hit isha¯- ‘master, lord, owner’
Another possible reading: Signs HD, greek reading ED; carian reading ET
From Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₁ed- – Wiktionaryen.wiktionary.org › wiki › h₁ed- Proto–Indo–European Root *h₁ed– (imperfective). to eat .
From Proto-Indo-EuropeanRoots https://tied.verbix.com/project/phonetics/word18.html Root/stem * ed to eat
| Cognates (45): | Greek edó (I eat), Doric edóda (food, eating) latin edere (to eat) |
Common Anatolian *ed- (to eat), >
Hittite at-, Nesian et-, ud-, Palaic ata, Luwian at-
books.google.ro › books Indo-European Linguistics: An Introduction James Clackson — 2007 · Language Arts & Disciplines eat Hittite ed- (edmi T eat’) Latin ed- (edd ‘I eat’) Sanskrit ad- (addnti ‘they eat’) Greek ed- ( edomai … On the majority rule principle, it has been usual to reconstruct *d for this sound in PIE.
ede,hede+didou “now+give”>> edidou ?
ἤδη (straightway, now…) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%A4%CE%B4%CE%B7?fbclid=IwAR1IfwMcDA9RrMfUagu-wAlmGdUv-0bqF5e5ETp2D4KZzgtiXonJr1axoAE
ἐδίδου “gave, kept giving” https://biblehub.com/greek/edidou_1325.htm?fbclid=IwAR2EQYNuB-ASnoSvC6dvc9ROiboXLA0bhpSCtTvJWshmLkWCTnQO91q-a3E
?? DDon, Δωδὠν=DODON, Dodon(e)? All cities of ancient Greece. Ancient and modern Greek cities zizuhotel.ru › home › Thailand
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