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A new insight regarding Tartaria Tablets

June 29, 2020

Scientists were focussed on the folowing main issues:

  • Place of origin
  • Age
  • The place in World writing developement
  • Kind of writing, true writing ?

In the first time, after I got familiar with many ancient writing systems and memorised hundred of signs, the tablets gave the impression that are a collection, a mixture of signs (excuse-me, if not an real hodge-podge). I cannot explain myself how on those three tablets, old sumerian proto-cuneiform-like signs are mixed with some wich found in much later time. And why the “scribe” choosed to use different type of writing on every tablet, beginning from pictographic to alphabetical signs. There is no a symilar case or other known instance in the world of such inscriptions. Note that the tablets were found together ! It seems that somebody, in later time than proto-cuneiform stage wanted to show to somebody the principles and evolution of writing. Also, other scientists, (including me) were astonished that the signs are reflecting ( somehow seen by far) in the highest measure the sumerian proto-cuneiform stage. In the same time, we all realisesed that the tablets are not genuine sumerian, nor scraped by an sumerian. From https://www.cambridge.org › article
The Tartaria Tablets | Antiquity | Cambridge Core
de la MSF Hood · 1967 ·
“It seems unlikely however that the tablets were drafted by a Sumerian hand or in the Sumerian language of early Mesopotamia” From www.archeo.ru › archaeological-news
Археологические вести. Спб, 1994. Вып. 3. Аннотации. — ИИМК РАН
On the Quasi-Sumerian tablets from Tartaria Note The innitial asumed age of the tablets (somehow still sustained by some) of 5.300 B.C. (pertaining to Vinca culture) is in my opinion the crazyest idea i ever met. From https://images.app.goo.gl/Ync4UtAWRS5BF9979

My opinion is that the shape of signs are only reflecting the general shape of that proto-cuneiform ones. In fact, and more exactly reflect the sumerian philum.This influence could be seen in Aegean, Anatolian and Phoenician writings. See Non-scribal Communication Media in the Bronze Age Aegean and … books.google.ro › books

See hypothesis of sumerian origin of Aegean Proto-Linear writing/G.Kenanidis & E.Papakitsos). From (PDF) Cretan Hieroglyphics & Protolinear Script | Giannhs …www.academia.edu › Cretan_Hieroglyphics_and_Protolin..

From (PDF) Minoan Sumerian | Giannhs Kenanidhs – Academia.eduwww.academia.edu › Minoan_Sumerian*Corresponding Author: Evangelos C. Papakitsos

——————————————– If counting the closeness degree with different writings, – the highest is with sumerian proto-cuneiform, – folowed by Anatolian (e.g. carian) and Aegean. Note – It is time-consuming to show you in wich measure every sign pertain (is exactly, or close shape or not at all) to signs used in the above writing systems. – I made interpretations of the script using sumerian proto-cuneiform and Aegean writing signs, and not encontered difficulties. So as an preliminary result, the conclusion is that the place of origin for the tablets and writing is definitely not Mesopotamia. It is in Philistia-Anatolia-Aegean perimeter/boundary/area.

From https://images.app.goo.gl/1vmhyjtsPJBgFPsP6 Field Guide to Ancient Minoans

From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2014/09/30/a-map-of-the-cycladic-world-the-minoan-civilization-the-mycenaean-empire-a-quiz/ A Map of the Cycladic World, the Minoan Civilization & the Mycenaean Empire

The signs are reflecting an Anatolian-Eagean economic and cultural exchange.

From https://images.app.goo.gl/4qcDKSGNxN2xycqw9 THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MINOAN TRADING EMPIRE

The balance is not definitely inclining toward Anatolia or Aegean areas (maybe slightly toward Anatolia ?). From https://images.app.goo.gl/EdhaFmTvYWcKaspy5 Map of the Anatolian Trade Network, active during the Early Bronze Age

Scientists noticed the relation between Crete/minoans and Anatolia/Luwians, in Lnear A and B writings. From https://images.app.goo.gl/gJyTtYxVyF6iGdwbA Minoan World (1900-1425 î.Hr.)

Lumea minoică

———————————– See Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and
Archaeological Evidence* WOLF-DIETRICH NIEMEIER https://olliancientgreece.weebly.com/uploads/3/9/6/0/39607437/greeksinorient.pdf Karia and Krete: a study in social and cultural
interaction https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1383786/1/FINAL%20SUBMISSION%5B1%5D.pdf

See the closeness of the signs on Tartaria tablets with Anatolian ones: From ALFABETO CARIO

From Alphabets of Asia Minor http://babaev.tripod.com/script/asiam.html

Alphabets of Asia Minor

See also the closeness of the signs on tartaria tablets with those of Agenean signs: From https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-by-Evans-1909-232-3_fig1_273096050

Tabelul cu semnele hieroglifelor cretane de Evans (1909, 232–3). 

———————————————— The signs on tablets are reflecting a chain influence of writing developement: Sumerian proto-cuneiform > Cretan hieroglyphic, Linear A/B > Anatolian/Phoenician/Archaic greek alphabets Note that the time of above writings was: – 3.500-3.000 B.C./sumerian proto-cuneiform – 2.200-2.000 B.C./ Cretan hieroglyphic 2.000-1.500 BC Linear A – 1.200-500 B.C. /Anatolian and greek archaic alphabets ——————————– There are twoo main posibilities : – the tablets are modern artefacts (so many signs from extensive area and large time-span much easy accesible toward our time) – genuine Anatolian-Aegean ones (material support/clay physical condition) The sign analisis is not definitely pointing exactly to one of Anatolian or Aegean areas, so the place of origin cannot be precisely defined. (?slightly toward Anatolia ?) The time roughly between 2500-500 B.C., much likely around 1000-500 B.C. Some Anatolian signs show an ancient sumerian influence.

It seem that the scribe was not a scribe by profession; he cannod handle and use properly so many signs used in Anatolia. We must be aware that only carians used some 4 kind of different alphabets (Mylasa, Egypt etc); Add to these: Lidian, Lician, Pamphilian, Palaic, Phrygian ones. Possible only one portion is containing true writing (“HD DDoc”- sequence on the round tablet, wich could be read using archaic greec alphabets). If the round tablets was traced by an carian, there are no chances to be read by other in the World than Mr. Ignacio Adiego. ================ Example: ===============

Signs HP greek reading ERa/Hera/HeRo(s)

The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto …hosting03.snu.ac.kr › old › genetic › Mallory,Adams(2006) PDF Reconstructed PIE in-law terminology (for the husband) 217. 12.3. … thirty tomb inscriptions, Sidetic about half a dozen, and Carian, which is not … of the house, lord, owner’, era ‘mistress, lady, owner’, Hit isha¯- ‘master, lord, owner’

Signs HD, greek reading ED; carian reading ET From Proto-Indo-European Roots https://tied.verbix.com/project/phonetics/word18.html Root/stem * ed to eat

Cognates (45):Greek edó (I eat), Doric edóda (food, eating) latin edere (to eat)

Common Anatolian *ed- (to eat), > 
Hittite at-, Nesian et-, ud-, Palaic ata, Luwian at-