Alles begann beim Lesen: https://www.ancient-origins.net › co…Kosmische Kraft des Schamanen und Symbole im Göbekli Tepe – Teil II .Özgür Baris Etli < Das H-Symbol Ray Urbaniak interpretiert das „H“-Symbol als Doppel-T-Form. Zwei zusammengefügte T-Formen bilden ein Doppel-T. Er sagt auch, dass Tau die Hälfte davon in der spirituellen Welt repräsentiert. Wir können uns also vorstellen, dass das „H“-Symbol aus zwei Tau-Symbolen besteht. Das I-Symbol Das „I“-Symbol der alten mexikanischen Mythologie zeigt nicht nur ein einzelnes Tau in zwei Formen, sondern in unterschiedlichen Positionen, sowie zwei doppelköpfige Figuren, die in einer vereint sind, was die Dualität oben und unten oder den Himmel illustriert und Erde. … …….. In der prototürkischen Kultur wurde das „I“-Symbol als „ON: Cosmos“ bezeichnet. Interessanterweise repräsentiert das „I“-Symbol in der chinesischen Kultur den Schamanen oder Geistervermittler, das sogenannte Wu. Die weit verbreitete Verwendung der umgekehrten und aufrechten Tau-Form bei den indigenen amerikanischen Völkern als Embleme des Oben und Unten ist reichlich belegt und ist zweifellos so selbstverständlich entstanden wie die chinesischen Schriftzeichen „Shang: Above“, die als Symbol für den Himmel verwendet werden, und „Lea: Unten oder Unten“, verwendet als Symbol für die Erde. Die Verbindung zwischen Himmel und Erde stellt die Erschaffung der Unschuld dar und dies wird durch die zentrale Linie widergespiegelt. … Ich kann also vermuten, dass es sich bei dem mysteriösen „Me“-Symbol um eine „Himmel (Himmel) – Erde-Verbindung: damit das Leben existieren könnte“ handelt. Im schamanischen Glauben nimmt die Erde ihre Lebenskraft über die Nabelschnur aus dem Himmel. Göbekli Tepe ist aus diesem Grund als wichtiger Standort anzusehen. (Interessanterweise bedeutet „Göbek“ auf Türkisch „Der Nabel“). Darin vereinen sich schöpferische Kräfte zur Geburt oder Wiedergeburt. Daher sind bestimmte Tage entscheidend, um Lebensenergie vom Himmel oder Himmel zu holen. Es wird angenommen, dass die Lebenskraft immer da ist, aber nicht immer sichtbar. Es wird angenommen, dass es an bestimmten Tagen des Jahres sichtbar ist.Diese Tage sind die Tagundnachtgleiche und die Sonnenwende. Andererseits kann das „H“- oder schräge „I“-Symbol für Ost-West-, Frau-Mann- oder Gott-Göttin-Verbindungen stehen.> Herr Özgür!: H-Charakter ist nicht Wu, sondern Gong-„Arbeit“ ! ========= H UND ICH SIND VARIANTEN DER GLEICHEN GRUNDFORM! Die Argumentation von Herrn Urbaniak und Özgür stimmt mit meinen Erkenntnissen überein: protosumerisches Zeichen “T”=”Me” bedeutet meiner Meinung nach protosumerisch/euphratischer “Lebensgeist”, sumerisch “göttliche Kraft, Wesen, Vorfahre”.
H besteht aus zwei T, also könnte Meme verwandt werden mit: – “alle göttlichen Kräfte = Kosmos”, (2×Me, Plural Meme) … oder – sumerische Heilgöttin (Schamane?) Ur-Meme, Meme = Gula =========== Es wird vermutet, dass in Göbekli Tepe heidnische, schamanische Rituale praktiziert wurden. In Bezug auf H/I-Symbole enthält das chinesische Schriftzeichen für Schamanen interessanterweise ein H-Zeichen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) Das zeitgenössische chinesische Schriftzeichen 巫 für wu kombiniert die grafischen Radikale gong 工 „Arbeit“ und ren 人 „Person“ verdoppelt (vgl. cong 从). Dieser 巫-Charakter entwickelte sich aus Siegelschriftzeichen, die tanzende Schamanen darstellten, die von Bronzeware-Schriftzeichen und Oracle-Knochenschriftzeichen abstammen, die einem mächtigen Kreuz ähnelten.>
Ihr seht, wir begegnen uns in H/I-Form, zweimal “Schamane” (1.als sumerisches Meme, Gula und 2.mit chinesischem Schriftzeichen Wu=Schamane) ! – und auch zweimal “Leben” : (1.Özgür “Lebenskraft” und 2. zweimal Me, me+me, zweimal “Lebensgeist, Sein”) Sehe Wkipedia Wu(shaman) ————— Interessant auch die Bullaugenform
ist identisch mit alten chinesischen Schriftzeichen für Sonne “ri” (und Mond “yue”)
All begun when reading: https://www.ancient-origins.net › co…Cosmic Power of the Shaman and Symbols at Göbekli Tepe – Part II < The H Symbol Ray Urbaniak interprets the “H” symbol to mean double T shapes. Two T shapes butted together form a double T. He also says that Tau represents half of which is in the spiritual world. So, we can imagine that the “H” symbol consists of two Tau symbols The I Symbol The “I” symbol of ancient Mexican mythology not only exhibits a single Tau of two forms, but in different positions, as well as two double-headed figures joined in one, which illustrates the duality, above and below, or heaven and earth. … ….. In Proto-Turkish culture the “I” symbol was called as the “ON: Cosmos”. Interestingly, In Chinese culture “I” symbol represents the shaman or spirit intermediary, so-called Wu. The widespread usage amongst indigenous American peoples of the inverted and upright Tau shape as emblems of the above and below is abundantly proven and doubtlessly arose as naturally as the Chinese characters “Shang: Above”, employed as a symbol for heaven, and “Lea: Below or Beneath”, employed as a symbol for earth. The connection between Heaven and Earth represents the creation of innocence and this is reflected by the central line. … So, I can suggest that the mysterious “I” symbol is about a “Heaven (Sky) – Earth connection: so the life could exist”. In shamanic belief, Earth takes its life force from the sky via the navel cord. Göbekli Tepe should be seen as an important site for this reason. (Interestingly, In Turkish “Göbek” means “The Navel”). In this, creative powers unite for birth or rebirth. Therefore, some specific days are vital for taking life energy from the sky or heaven. Life force is believed to be always there, but not always visible. It is believed to be visible on specific days of year. These days are the equinox and solstice days. On the other hand, the “H” or slanted “I” symbol may be about East-West, Woman-Man or God-Goddess connections.> Mr. Özgür!: H character is not Wu but Gong “work” ! ========= H AND I ARE VARIATIONS OF THE SAME BASIC SHAPE ! Mr. Urbaniak and Özgür reasonings are consistent with my findings: proto-sumerian sign “T”=”Me” in my opinion means Proto-Sumerian/Euphratic “life spirit”, sumerian “divine power, being, ancestor”.
H is composed of two T, so Meme could be related to: – “all divine powers=cosmos” , (2×Me,plural Meme)…or – sumerian healing goddess (shaman?) Ur-Meme, Meme=Gula ===========
It is supposed that at Gobekli Tepe practiced paganist, shamanic rituals. Related to H/I symbols, interesting enough the chinese character for shaman is containing an H character. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) The contemporary Chinese character 巫 for wu combines the graphic radicals gong 工 “work” and ren 人 “person” doubled (cf. cong 从). This 巫 character developed from Seal script characters that depicted dancing shamans, which descend from Bronzeware script and Oracle bone script characters that resembled a cross potent.>
Yousee we are encountering in H/I shape, twice “shaman” (1.as sumerian Meme,Gula and 2.with chinese character Wu=shaman) ! – and also Twice “Life” : (1.Özgür “Life force” and 2. twice Me, Me+Me, twice “life spirit, being“) See Wikipedia Wu(shaman) Work Ethics and Work Valuations in a Period of Commercialization: Ming China, 1500–1644*
Published online by Cambridge University Press
“Labour” is expressed by the term lao
, which has the connotation of “toil”, “pain”, and “exhaustion”, or qin
, which implies diligent or industrious work. Both refer mainly to physical work, especially in agriculture. Another designation for work is gong
Since this character is derived from a tool-like object, probably a carpenter’s square, it is predominantly associated with craft or proto-industrial production. …..Wu: female shamans in ancient China <Ancient oracle bone inscriptions use wu most frequently in relation to spirit sacrifices and for calls to “bring the wu.”….The oldest Chinese dictionary, Shuowen Jiezi, equates wu with zhu, a ritual invocator, and with ling, “spiritual, divine.” It underlines the female signification of wu: “wu is a zhu (invoker or priest), a woman who is able to render [herself] invisible, and with dance to invoke gods to come down.. Anciently, men and spirits did not intermingle. At that time there were certain persons who were so perspicacious, single-minded, and reverential that their understanding enabled them to make meaningful collation of what lies above and below, and their insight to illumine what is distant and profound. Therefore the spirits would descend upon them. The possessors of such powers were, if men, called xi (shamans), and, if women, wu (shamanesses). It is they who supervised the positions of the spirits at the ceremonies, sacrificed to them, and otherwise handled religious matters. As a consequence, the spheres of the divine and the profane were kept distinct. The spirits sent down blessings on the people, and accepted from them their offerings. There were no natural calamities. [Bodde, 390-1] >
÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷
Also interesting, the porthole shape is identical with old chinese characters for sun “ri” (and moon “yue”)
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Metavirus Metavirüs, Metaviridae ailesindeki bir virüs cinsidir. Bunlar, bir ökaryotik konak genomunu istila eden retrotranspozonlardır ve ancak virüs konakçıya bulaştıktan sonra çoğalabilirler. Bu genetik elementler, konak genomlarında bulaşmak ve çoğalmak için mevcuttur ve konakçılarıyla ilgisi olmayan atalara ait elementlerden türetilir.
https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ Sümerler, hayatın, inancın, teknolojinin, davranışın ve insan koşullarının her yönünü kapsayan benim adı verilen bir dizi kural ve düzenleme geliştirmiştir. Onlar erken dönem kodlardı, insanların okuması ve kendilerini aktarmaları için kodlanmış memlerdi. Bütün bir popülasyonu nörolinguistik olarak programlama girişimiydi. ====================
“Sümer kültürü — bana dayalı toplum — başka bir şeydi.Metavirüsün tezahürü. Bunun dışında, bu durumda, bir DNA’dan ziyade dilsel form.” “Affedersiniz,” diyor Bay Lee. “Medeniyetin bir varlık olarak başladığını söylüyorsunuz. enfeksiyon?
“İlkel haliyle medeniyet, evet. Her ben bir tür virüstü, tekmelendi metavirüs ilkesine göre. Bana ekmek pişirme örneğini alın. Bir kere Benim topluma dahil olmam, kendi kendine yeten bir bilgi parçasıydı. Bu bir doğal seçilimin basit sorusu: ekmek yapmayı bilen insanlar nasıl olduğunu bilmeyen insanlardan daha iyi yaşa ve üremeye daha yatkın ol. Doğal olarak, bu kendini kopyalama için ev sahibi olarak hareket ederek beni yayacaklar. bilgi parçası. Bu onu bir virüs yapar. Sümer kültürü — benimle dolu tapınaklar — sadece başarılı virüslerin bir koleksiyonuydu. bin yılda birikmiştir. Bir franchise operasyonuydu, bunun dışında altın kemerler yerine zigguratlar ve üç halka yerine kil tabletler bağlayıcılar. “‘Akıl’ veya ‘bilgelik’ anlamına gelen Sümerce sözcük, ‘kulak’ sözcüğüyle aynıdır.Tüm bu insanlar şunlardı: bedenleri bağlı kulaklar. Pasif alıcılar bilgi. Ama Enki farklıydı. Enki daha yeni olan bir tr’di özellikle işinde iyi. Yeni ben yazma konusunda alışılmadık bir yeteneği vardı — o bir bilgisayar korsanıydı. Aslında ilk modern insandı, tam bilinçli bir insandı. olmak, tıpkı bizim gibi. “Bir noktada Enki, Sümer’in bir çıkmaza saplandığını fark etti. hep aynı eski beni yaşatmak, yenilerini bulamamak, kendileri için düşünmek. Birkaç kişiden biri olduğu için yalnız olduğundan şüpheleniyorum — belki de dünyadaki tek bilinçli insan. içinde olduğunu anladı insan ırkının ilerlemesi için, onların pençesinden kurtulmaları gerekiyordu. bu viral medeniyet. “Böylece aynı yerde yayılan bir karşı virüs olan Enki’nin nam-shub’ını yarattı. ben ve metavirüs olarak yollar. Derin yapıların içine girdi. beyin ve onları yeniden programladı. Bundan böyle Sümer dilini kimse anlayamadı. dil veya başka herhangi bir derin yapı tabanlı dil. Ortaklığımızdan kes derin yapılar, ortak hiçbir yanı olmayan yeni diller geliştirmeye başladık birbirleriyle. Ben artık çalışmıyordu ve yeni yazmak mümkün değildi ben mi. Metavirüsün daha fazla bulaşması engellendi.” “Neden ekmek yapma işini kaybeden herkes ekmek kıtlığından açlıktan ölmedi? ben mi?” dedi Enzo Amca.
“Muhtemelen bazıları yaptı. Diğer herkes yüksek beyinlerini kullanmak ve anlamaya çalışmak zorundaydı. dışarı. Yani Enki’nin nam-shub’ının insanlığın başlangıcı olduğunu söyleyebilirsiniz. bilinç — ilk önce kendimiz için düşünmemiz gerektiğinde. bu başlangıçtı akılcı dinin de, insanların ilk kez düşünmeye başladıkları Tanrı, İyi ve Kötü gibi soyut konular. Babel adı buradan gelir. itibaren. Kelimenin tam anlamıyla ‘Tanrı’nın Kapısı’ anlamına gelir. Tanrı’nın izin verdiği kapıydı insan ırkına ulaşmak. Babil, zihnimizde bir kapıdır, bir kapıdır. bizi metavirüsten kurtaran ve bize veren Enki’nin nam-shub’ı tarafından açıldı düşünme yeteneği — bizi materyalist bir dünyadan dualist bir dünyaya taşıdı — ikili bir dünya — hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal bir bileşene sahip.” ====== Not: Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işareti “ben” aynı şekle sahiptir
Göbekli Tepe’nin T sütunları olarakas Göbekli Tepe T sütunları olarak
===== ELEŞTİRİ, YORUMLAR =======
Kabul edelim ki bende virüslerin özellikleri var. Ama şu ifadelere katılmıyorum: – “Bu insanların hepsi bu kadardı: bedenleri bağlı kulaklar. Pasif bilgi alıcıları.” Pasif alıcılardan uzaktılar. Çalışkan bir nüfustular ve entelektüel olarak çok yetenekli ve yaratıcıydılar. Ne de bununla: “Ama Enki farklıydı. Enki işinde özellikle iyi olan bir adamdı. Yeni bir ben yazma konusunda alışılmadık bir yeteneği vardı – o bir bilgisayar korsanıydı. Aslında, ilk modern insandı. , tam bilinçli bir insan, tıpkı bizim gibi. Bir noktada, Enki Sümer’in bir rutine sıkışıp kaldığını fark etti. İnsanlar her zaman aynı eski meleri yapıyorlardı, yenilerini değil. Kendileri için düşünmediler.” Hayır!: Enki bir tanrıydı ya da Stephenson gerçekten insanların melerini paylaşan akıllı bir lider istiyorsa. Bunlar ilahi bir kökene sahip olacaktı ama bunun bir efsane olduğunu biliyoruz, Sümerler (çalışkan ve yetenekli bir halk) me’leri yarattılar ve sürekli olarak yenilerini yaratma yeteneğine sahiptiler. Ve şiddetle söylüyorum: kendileri için düşünüyorlar! “Yalnız olduğundan şüpheleniyorum, dünyadaki birkaç – belki de tek – bilinçli insandan biri olarak. İnsan ırkının ilerlemesi için bu viral uygarlığın pençesinden kurtulması gerektiğini fark etti.” Bu yüzden benimle ve metavirüsle aynı yollara yayılan ve beynin derin yapılarına girip onları yeniden programlayan bir antivirüs olan Enki’nin Nam-Shub’ını yarattı.” “Belki de dünyadaki tek bilinçli insan!” Yazık olsun. Viral bir uygarlığın pençesi değildi. Nam-shub: “parlayan”, Enki tarafından yaratılmadı ve şuydu:
Wikipedia Asaruludu 《Sümer ve Akad mitolojisinde Asaruludu, Anunnakilerden biridir. Adı da Asarludu olarak yazılmıştır, Asarluhi ve Namshub. Adının etimolojisi ve anlamı belirsizdir. Asaruludu, Sümer dini ritüellerinde şeytan kovucu olarak görev yaptı. Namshub (parlayan) olarak koruyucu bir tanrı, “yolumuzu aydınlatan parlayan tanrı” olarak kabul edilir…. Asaruludu Kuara’nın koruyucu tanrısı olarak, Eridu (Enki’nin şehri) panteonuna dahil edilmiş ve böylece sihir tanrısı rolünü kazanmış olabilir. hastayı Enki / Ea ile tanıştıran bir ara rol. Daha sonraki metinler Asaruludu’yu Enki/Ea’nın zeka, tavsiye ve “geniş akıl” niteliklerini ve ayrıca büyülerdeki uzmanlığı paylaşan Enki/Ea’nın oğlu olarak tanımlar.>>
me’leri de insanlara dağıttı ve bana karşı hiçbir şey (“metavirüs” gibi) yaratmadı; bu son nokta olurdu! Bu nedenle, beynin derin yapılarını yeniden programlamak için hiçbir şey yoktu! “Bundan böyle ne Sümer dilini ne de derin bir yapıya sahip başka bir dili kimse anlayamadı.” Kalk, Sümer dili derin bir yapıya dayanmaz, aksine dil yapısı son derece basit ve mantıklıdır.
John Halloran Proto-Sümer dili icat sürecini görün. <<Diakonoff 1983’te şöyle yazmıştı: “Sözcüksel düzeyde, soyut fikirleri ifade etmek için hiç ya da çok az gelişmiş araçlara sahip olmayan ve dilbilgisi düzeyinde, ‘eylem-karşıtlık’ karşıtlığına dayanan herhangi bir dili ‘arkaik’ olarak tanımlayacağım. . durum’.” “Arkaik bir dilde, ‘zaman’, ‘mekân’, ‘özne’, ‘nesne’, ‘neden’, ‘güzellik’, ‘özgürlük’, “icat”, “çarpma”, “bölme” ve bazıları bize temel görünen, örneğin “karanlık”, “felaket”, “hastalık” ve “acı” vb. arasındaki ayrım gibi, diğerleri, veya ‘iyi’, ‘keyifli’, ‘nazik’, ‘mutlu’, ‘yararlı’, ‘şanslı’ vb. arasında. Ancak, tümevarımsal düşünme, yani belirli olgulardan bir genellemeye ilerleyen düşünce olmadan insan düşüncesi imkansızdır. ” … Diakonoff devam ediyor, “Sümerce, soyut fikirlerin oluştuğu arkaik bir dildir: bu yüzden hem Sümer dili hem de Sümer mitolojisi çok ilginçtir.Özne-nesne ilişkisini ifade etmek için hiçbir aracı yoktur ve zaman fikrini vb. ifade etmek için çok yetersiz araçlardır.” >> “Derin ortak yapılarımızdan kopup, birbirimizle hiçbir ortak yanı olmayan yeni diller geliştirmeye başladık. Ben artık çalışmıyor ve yeni benler yazmak mümkün değildi.”
Eugenrau: ?????? Yeni diller ve diller, Bay Neal Stephenson’dan hiç bilmediği daha fazla ortak noktaya sahiptir. Açıkça bir bağlantı ve ebeveynlik var. “Yani Enki’nin Nam-Shub’ının insan bilincinin başlangıcı olduğunu söyleyebilirsiniz – kendi başımıza düşünmemiz gerektiğinde. Aynı zamanda rasyonel dinin de başlangıcıydı, insanların ilk kez soyut konular hakkında düşünmeye başladıkları zamandı. Tanrı, İyi ve Kötü gibi. , bu nedenle, kelimenin tam anlamıyla “Tanrı’nın Kapısı” anlamına gelen Babil adı. Tanrı’nın insan ırkına ulaşmasına izin veren kapıydı. Babil, zihnimizdeki bir kapıdır, Enki’nin nam-shub’ı tarafından açılan, bizi metavirüsten kurtaran ve düşünme yeteneği veren – bizi materyalistlikten uzaklaştıran bir kapıdır. dünyadan dualist bir dünyaya – ikili bir dünyaya. hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal bir bileşen.”” Hayır !: Bay Stephenson’ın bunu tarihlendirmeye ve onaylamaya istekli olduğu zaman insan bilincinin başlangıcı !? “Rasyonel din” ?? sorunlar” https://bc805.medium.com/abstract-thinkt-how-is-it-significant-and-how-does-it-define-the-basis-for-modern-humanity-a98a5b92fb9f << Soyut düşüncenin geliştirdiği Paleolitik arkeolojik kayıtların alet keşiflerinde bazı ipuçları var.>> Soyut semboller, Göbekli Tepe 9.600 M.Ö.
Her şeyden önce, yazarın antropoloji, psikoloji, arkeoloji, dilbilim ve bilgisayar bilimleri alanlarındaki yüzeysel bilgileri karıştırarak, yazarın zihninde şekillenen bir halüsinasyona yol açtığı izlenimini edindim. Yazık ki, hâlâ kısmen yabancılaşmış bir dünyada yaşayan bizler, tarihsel ve kültürel bir gerçekliğin tecavüzüne ve saptırılmasına tanık oluyoruz. İnsanlığın ilk büyük medeniyeti, bu kadar kolay ve yüzeysel bir yaklaşımı ve böyle bir muameleyi kesinlikle hak etmiyor.
Note: sumerian proto-cuneiform sign “me” has the same shape as Gobekli Tepe’s T-pillars
CRITICISM, COMMENTS
Let’s admit that me’s had the characteristics of viruses. But I do not agree with the statements: – “That’s all those people were: ears with bodies attached. Passive receivers of information.” They were far from passive receivers. They were an industrious population and very intellectually gifted and inventive. Nor with this: “But Enki was different. Enki was a guy who happened to be particularly good at his job. He had an unusual ability to write a new me – he was a hacker. He was, in fact, the first modern man, a fully conscious human being, just like us. At one point, Enki realized that the Sumer was stuck in a routine. People were always doing the same old mees, not new ones. they didn’t think for themselves.” No!: Enki was a deity, or if Stephenson really wanted a smart leader who shared people’s mees. These would have had a divine origin but we know that this is a myth, the Sumerians (a hardworking and gifted people) created the me’s and continuously had the ability to create new ones. And I say strongly : they think for themselves ! “I suspect he was alone, being one of the few – perhaps the only – conscious human being in the world. He realized that in order for the human race to advance, it had to be freed from the grip of this viral civilization.” So he created Enki’s Nam-Shub, an antivirus that spread on the same routes as me and the metavirus, and went into the deep structures of the brain and reprogrammed them.” “perhaps the only conscious human being in the world!” Shame on you ! It was no grip of a viral civilization. Nam-shub: “shining”, was not created by Enki and was: Wikipedia Asaruludu 《In Sumerian and Akkadian mythology, Asaruludu is one of the Anunnaki. His name is also written Asarludu, Asarluhi and Namshub. The etymology and meaning of his name are unclear. Asaruludu served as an exorcist in Sumerian religious rituals. As Namshub (shining), he is considered a protective deity, “the shining god who lights our way.” …. Asaruludu, as the patron deity of Kuara, may have been incorporated into the pantheon of Eridu (Enki’s city) and thus acquired the role of god of incantations. Asalluhi sometimes plays an intermediate role, introducing the patient to Enki / Ea. Subsequent texts describe Asaruludu as the son of Enki / Ea, who shares Enki / Ea’s qualities of intelligence, advice and “broad reason”, as well as expertise in incantations.>> Enki was a god not an inhabitant of Sumer and the depositor of me’s, he also distributed them to the people and did not create anything (like “metavirus”) against me’s; that would have been the culmination! As such, there was nothing to reprogram the deep structures of the brain! “From now on, no one could understand the Sumerian language, or any other language based on a deep structure.” Get up, the Sumerian language is not based on a deep structure, on the contrary language structure is extremely simple and logical. See John Halloran Proto-Sumerian language invention process. <<Diakonoff wrote in 1983, “I shall define as ‘archaic’ any language which, on the lexical level, has no or only poorly developed means of expressing abstract ideas, and on the grammatical level, is based on the opposition ‘action vs. state’.” “In an archaic language there are no adequate means, either lexical or grammatical, to express such abstract ideas as ‘time’, ‘space’, ‘subject’, ‘object’, ’cause’, ‘beauty’, ‘liberty’, ‘invention’, ‘multiplication’, ‘division’ and many others, some of which appear to us elemental, as, e.g., the distinction between ‘darkness’, ‘calamity’, ‘illness’, and ‘pain’, etc., or between ‘good’, ‘enjoyable’, ‘kind’, ‘happy’, ‘useful’, ‘lucky’, etc. However, human thought is impossible without inductive thinking, i.e., thought which proceeds from particular facts to a generalization.” … Diakonoff continues, “Sumerian is an archaic language in which abstract ideas were in the making: this is why both Sumerian language and Sumerian mythology are so interesting. It has no means to express a subject-object relation, and very inadequate means to express the idea of time etc.“ >> “Cut off from our deep common structures, we began to develop new languages that had nothing in common with each other. The me no longer worked and it was not possible to write new me’s. ” Eugenrau: ?????? The new languages and languages have more in common than Mr. Neal Stephenson that he has no knowledge of. There is clearly a connection and parentage. “So you could say that Enki’s Nam-Shub was the beginning of human consciousness – when we had to think for ourselves. It was also the beginning of rational religion, the first time people started thinking about abstract issues. like God and Good and Evil, hence the name Babel, literally meaning “Gate of God.” It was the gate that allowed God to reach the human race.Babel is a gate in our minds, a gate that was opened by Enki’s nam-shub that freed us from the metavirus and gave us the ability to think – moved us from a materialistic world to a dualistic world – a binary world. a physical as well as a spiritual component.” “No !: The beginning of human consciousness when Mr. Stephenson was willing to date and certify it !? “Rational religion” ?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality ” the first time people started thinking about abstract issues” https://bc805.medium.com/abstract-thought-how-is-it-significant-and-how-does-it-define-the-basis-for-modern-humanity-a98a5b92fb9f <<There are some clues in the tool discoveries of the Palaeolithic archaeological record that abstract thought is developing.>> Abstract symbols at Gobekli Tepe 9,600B.C.
First of all, I have the impression that the author mixes superficial knowledge from the fields of anthropology, psychology, archeology, linguistics and computer science, resulting in a hallucination that took shape in the author’s mind. It is a pity that we are witnessing the rape and perversion of a historical and cultural reality, we who still live in a partially alienated world. Certainly the first greatest civilization of mankind does not deserve such an easy and superficial approach and no such treatment.
Wikipedia: Metavirusul este un gen de virusuri din familia Metaviridae. Acestea sunt retrotranspozonii care invadează un genom gazdă eucariotă și se pot reproduce numai după ce virusul a infectat gazda.
Cultura sumeriană — societatea bazată pe me — a fost o altă manifestare a metavirusului. Cu excepția faptului că, în acest caz, a fost mai degrabă într-o formă lingvistică decât în ADN.” – „Scuzați-mă”, spune domnul Lee. „Spuneți că civilizația a început ca o infecție?” – „Civilizația în forma ei primitivă, da. Fiecare me era un fel de virus, dat afară de principiul metavirusului. Luați exemplul me-ului pentru coptul pâinii. Odată ce a intrat în societate, a fost o informație care se autosusținea. Este o chestiune simplă de selecție naturală: oamenii care știu să coacă pâine vor trăi mai bine și vor fi mai predispuși să se reproducă decât cei care nu știu cum. Desigur, ei vor răspândi me-ul, acționând ca gazde pentru această informație care se auto-replicheaza. Asta îl face să fie un virus. Cultura sumeriană — cu templele pline de me-uri — era doar o colecție de viruși de succes care se acumulaseră de-a lungul mileniilor. Era o operațiune de franciză, cu excepția faptului că avea zigurate în loc de arcade de aur și tăblițe de lut în loc de lianți cu trei inele. „Cuvântul sumerian pentru „minte” sau „înțelepciune” este identic cu cuvântul pentru „ureche”. Atât erau acei oameni: urechi cu corpuri atașate. Receptori pasivi de informații. Dar Enki era diferit. Enki era un tip care se întâmplase să fie deosebit de bun in meseria lui. Avea abilitatea neobișnuită de a scrie un me nou — era un hacker. El a fost, de fapt, primul om modern, o ființă umană pe deplin conștientă, la fel ca noi. „La un moment dat, Enki și-a dat seama că Sumerul era blocat într-o rutină. Oamenii înfăptuiau tot timpul același me-uri vechi, nu veneau cu altele noi, nu gândeau singuri. Bănuiesc că era singur, fiind una dintre puținele — poate singura – dintre ființe umane conștiente din lume. Și-a dat seama că, pentru ca rasa umană să avanseze, trebuia să fie eliberată din strânsoarea acestei civilizații virale. „Așa că a creat Nam-Shub-ul lui Enki, un contravirus care s-a răspândit pe aceleași rute ca me și metavirusul. A intrat în structurile profunde ale creierului și le-a reprogramat. De acum înainte, nimeni nu a putut înțelege limba sumeriană, sau orice alt limbaj bazat pe o structură profundă. Despărțiți de structurile noastre profunde comune, am început să dezvoltăm noi limbaje care nu aveau nimic în comun unul cu celălalt. Me-ul nu mai funcționa și nu a fost posibil să scriem noi me-uri. Transmiterea ulterioară a metavirusul a fost blocată. – „De ce nu au murit toată lumea din cauza lipsei de pâine, pierzându-mă pe mine care făceam pâine?” spune unchiul Enzo. – “Unii probabil că au făcut-o. Toți ceilalți au trebuit să-și folosească creierul in mod superior și să-și dea seama. Așa că ați putea spune că Nam-Shub-ul lui Enki a fost începutul conștiinței umane — atunci când a trebuit să gândim pentru noi înșine. A fost și începutul religiei raționale, prima dată când oamenii au început să se gândească la probleme abstracte precum Dumnezeu și Bine și Rău. De aici provine numele Babel. Literal înseamnă „Poarta lui Dumnezeu”. A fost poarta care a permis lui Dumnezeu să ajungă în rasa umană. Babel este o poartă în mintea noastră, o poartă care a fost deschisă de nam-shub-ul lui Enki care ne-a eliberat de metavirus și ne-a dat capacitatea de a gândi — ne-a mutat dintr-o lume materialistă într-o lume dualistă — o lume binară. Lume — atât cu o componentă fizică, cât și una spirituală
C R I T I C I
Sa admitem ca me-urile au avut caracteristicile virusilor. Insa nu sunt de acord cu afirmatiile: “Atât erau acei oameni: urechi cu corpuri atașate. Receptori pasivi de informații.” Nu erau nici pe departe receptori pasivi. Erau o populatie harnica si deosebit de dotata intelectual si inventiva. Nici cu aceasta: “Dar Enki era diferit.Enki era un tip care se întâmplase să fie deosebit de bun in meseria lui. Avea abilitatea neobișnuită de a scrie un me nou — era un hacker. El a fost, de fapt, primul om modern, o ființă umană pe deplin conștientă, la fel ca noi. La un moment dat, Enki și-a dat seama că Sumerul era blocat într-o rutină. Oamenii înfăptuiau tot timpul același me-uri vechi, nu veneau cu altele noi, nu gândeau singuri.” Enki era o zeitate, sau daca vrea neaparat Stephenson un conducator destept care impartea me-urile oamenilor. Acestea ar fi avut origine divina insa stim ca acesta e un mit, sumerienii (un popor harnic si dotat) au creat me-urile si au avut incontinuu capacitatea de a crea unele noi. Nu !: “Bănuiesc că era singur, fiind una dintre puținele — poate singura – dintre ființe umane conștiente din lume. Și-a dat seama că, pentru ca rasa umană să avanseze, trebuia să fie eliberată din strânsoarea acestei civilizații virale. „Așa că a creat nam-shub-ul lui Enki, un contravirus care s-a răspândit pe aceleași rute ca me și metavirusul. A intrat în structurile profunde ale creierului și le-a reprogramat. “Poate singura-dintre fiintele umane constiente din lume”!? Să vă fie rușine ! Nu a fost nici-o stransoare a unei civilizatii virale.Nam-shub:”stralucitor”, nu a fost creat de Enki și era :
Wikipedia Asaruludu《În mitologia sumeriană și akkadiană, Asaruludu este unul dintre anunnaki. Numele său este scris și Asarludu, Asarluhi și Namshub. Etimologia și semnificația numelui său sunt neclare.Asaruludu a servit ca exorcist în ritualurile religioase sumeriene. Ca Namshub (strălucitor), el este considerat o zeitate protectoare, „zeul strălucitor care ne luminează calea”. …. Asaruludu, ca zeitate patroană a lui Kuara, este posibil să fi fost înglobat în panteonul Eridu (orașul lui Enki) și astfel și-a dobândit rolul de zeu al incantațiilor. Uneori, Asalluhi joacă un rol intermediar, prezentând pacientul la Enki/Ea.Textele ulterioare îl descriu pe Asaruludu ca fiind fiul lui Enki/Ea, care împărtășește calitățile lui Enki/Ea de inteligență, sfat și „rațiune largă”, precum și expertiza în incantații.》
Enki era zeu nu locuitor si depozitarul me-urilor, tot el le și distribuia si nu a creat nimic (gen “metavirus”)contra me-urilor asta ar fi fost culmea ! Ca atare nu a existat nici ceva sa reprogrameze structurile profunde ale creierului! “De acum înainte, nimeni nu a putut înțelege limba sumeriană, sau orice alt limbaj bazat pe o structură profundă.” Limba sumeriana nu se bazeaza pe o structura profundă, dimpotrivă structurs este extrem de simpla si logica.Vezi John Halloran Proto-sumerian language invention process. << Diakonoff scria în 1983: „Voi defini ca „arhaica” orice limbă care, la nivel lexical, nu are mijloace de exprimare, sau doar slab dezvoltate a ideilor abstracte, iar la nivel gramatical, se bazează pe opoziția „acțiune vs. stare.” „Într-o limbă arhaică nu există mijloace adecvate, fie lexicale, fie gramaticale, pentru a exprima idei abstracte precum „timp”, „spațiu”, „subiect”, „obiect”, „cauză”, „frumusețe”, „libertate”, „invenție”, „înmulțire”, „împărțire” și multe altele, dintre care unele ni se par elementare, cum ar fi, de exemplu, distincția dintre „întuneric”, „calamitate”, „boală” și „durere” etc., sau între „bun”, „plăcut”, „bună”, „fericit”, „util”, „norocos” etc. Cu toate acestea, gândirea umană este imposibilă fără gândirea inductivă, adică gândirea care trece de la fapte particulare la o generalizare. ” … Diakonoff continuă: „Sumerianul este o limbă arhaică în care ideile abstracte se dezvoltau: de aceea atât limba sumeriană, cât și mitologia sumeriană sunt atât de interesante. Nu are mijloace de a exprima o relație subiect-obiect și mijloace foarte inadecvate. pentru a exprima ideea de timp etc.”>>
“Despărțiți de structurile noastre profunde comune, am început să dezvoltăm noi limbaje care nu aveau nimic în comun unul cu celălalt. Me-ul nu mai funcționa și nu a fost posibil să scriem noi me-uri. ” Eugenrau: ?????? Noile limbi si limbaje au mai multe in comun decat se face Dl. Neal Stephenson că nu are cunoștința. Exista in mod clar o legatura si filiație. “Așa că ați putea spune că Nam-Shub-ul lui Enki a fost începutul conștiinței umane — atunci când a trebuit să gândim pentru noi înșine. A fost și începutul religiei raționale, prima dată când oamenii au început să se gândească la probleme abstracte precum Dumnezeu și Bine și Rău. De aici provine numele Babel. Literal înseamnă „Poarta lui Dumnezeu”. A fost poarta care a permis lui Dumnezeu să ajungă în rasa umană. Babel este o poartă în mintea noastră, o poartă care a fost deschisă de nam-shub-ul lui Enki care ne-a eliberat de metavirus și ne-a dat capacitatea de a gândi — ne-a mutat dintr-o lume materialistă într-o lume dualistă — o lume binară. Lume — atât cu o componentă fizică, cât și una spirituală. ” Nu!: Inceputul constiintei umane atunci cand a binevoit Dl.Stephenson să-l dateze si certifice !? “Religie raționala“?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality “Au inceput să se gândeasca la probleme abstracte”
…Apoi de la poarta lui Dumnezeu deraiază complet.Cum ar fi : – o poartă care a fost deschisă de nam-shub-ul lui Enki care ne-a eliberat de metavirus și ne-a dat capacitatea de a gândi ?? Si inainte nu exista capacitatea de a gandi ?? – la sumerieni la un moment dat (și deloc inainte) “au inceput să existe simultan componentele fizică si cea spirituală“.
In primul rand am impresia ca se amesteca cunostinte superficiale din domeniile antropologiei, psihologiei, arheologiei, lingvisticii si informaticii, rezultand o nalucire care a prins contur in mintea autorului. Este pacat ca asistam la siluirea si pervertirea unei realitati istorice si culturale, noi cei cei care si asa traim intr-o lume partial alienata. Cu siguranta prima cea mai mare civilizatie a omenirii nu merita o asemenea abordare facila si nici un asemenea tratament.
Arkeolojik açıdan, yaşı ne olursa olsun, kendine has özellikleri olan her arkeolojik yer bir medeniyettir, örn. Natufian, Vinca. Bir gönderiden: Tanrı ve Güneş: Göbekli Tepe’deki Yazı Robert M. Schoch, Catherine Ulissey ile.
<< Geleneksel tarihçiler ve arkeologlar, kişinin gerçek uygarlığı tanımlayabileceği üç ana ayırt edici özelliğe sıklıkla dikkat çekmiştir: 1) Anıtsal taş mimarisi, 2) Yerleşik kentsel (şehir) yaşamı ve 3) Yazı. Tarihöncesi genellikle bir toplumun okuryazar olmasıyla eşitlenir; herhangi bir yazılı kitabeleri veya kayıtları yoksa, o zaman gerçek bir kayıtlı tarihleri yoktur ve hem tarih öncesi hem de uygarlık öncesidirler. Ayrıca, geleneksel statüko düşüncesine göre, yazı ilk olarak MÖ 3000’den hemen önce Sümer ve Mısır’da icat edildi; bu nedenle, gerçek uygarlığın başlangıcını bu zamana kadar tarihlendirebiliriz. Ancak, 6000 yıldan fazla bir süre önce Kuzey Mezopotamya’da inanılmaz derecede sofistike Göbekli Tepe sitesini bulduk. Pek çok ana akım tarihçi, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşaatçılarına gerçek uygarlık etiketini uygulama konusunda tereddüt ediyor, ama neden? Anıtsal mimariye ve olası kentsel yerleşimlere rağmen, Göbekli Tepe’nin yaratıcılarına gerçek medeniyet unvanını inkar edecek olan araştırmacılar için en iyi argüman, görünüşe göre herhangi bir yazı biçimine sahip olmadıklarıdır (ya da öyleydi). Bununla birlikte, en son kanıtlar bu görüşü tamamen değiştirdi ve şüphecilerin bile medeniyetin kökenlerinin ne zaman ve nerede olduğunu yeniden düşünmesini talep ediyor.>>
Bu kriterle benim görüşüm Bay Schoch’unkiyle çelişiyor,
1) Anıtsal taş mimari, EVET 2) Yerleşik kent (şehir) yaşamı ve HAYIR (sadece hafif izler) 3) Yazı. HAYIR (yalnızca ilkel bir senaryo+işaret koleksiyonu, ilk yazma aşamasına ulaşmamış) Doğru değil Bay Schoch’un ifadesinin herhangi bir yazı biçimi yokmuş.
GENEL SONUÇ = Gerçek bir medeniyet değil. …..
Ancak çok ilginç bir şey buldum: << Şimdi, meslektaşım Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh’in öngörüsü sayesinde, Göbekli Tepe’de bulunan sembolik gösterim için potansiyel bir bağlam ve karşılaştırmaya sahibiz. Seyfzadeh’in belirttiği gibi, Göbekli Tepe’deki bazı semboller, bin yıl sonra aynı genel bölgede (modern Türkiye) kullanılan Anadolu Hiyerogliflerine (Luwian ve/veya Hitit Hiyeroglifleri olarak da anılır) oldukça benzerdir. Bu tamamen tesadüf mü? olmadığını düşünüyoruz. Gerçekten de Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri ile Göbekli Tepe sütunlarından bazılarına oyulmuş semboller arasındaki bazı önemli benzerliklere işaret eden teknik bir makale yayınladık (Manu Seyfzadeh ve Robert Schoch, Arkeolojik Keşif, Şubat 2019, cilt 7, sayfa 31-53). … Anadolu Hiyeroglif yazıtları genellikle MÖ ikinci ve erken birinci bin yıllara tarihlenir (çoğu MÖ 1300-900 arası döneme aittir). Bu, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşasından 8000 yıl veya daha fazla bir süre sonra, ancak Göbekli Tepe halkı tarafından kullanılan bir yazı sisteminin en azından parçalarının hayatta kaldığını ve bazı durumlarda çeşitli değişikliklerle Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri sistemine dahil edildiğini gösteren dikkate değer korelasyonlar var. – ki bu oldukça anlaşılır ve hatta bu kadar uzun bir zaman diliminde beklenen bir durumdur. >>
Onlar (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) bilmiyorlar, daha çok bilmiyormuş gibi yapıyorlar ve Göbekli Tepe’den nispeten fazla sayıda işaret (12-20?) gösterdiğim son araştırmamdan haberdar değiller, onları çok daha yakın buldum o döneme (2500 yıl daha yakın) Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işaretleri arasında.
Ve sütunların “T” işaretini, “Ben” proto-çiviyazısı işaretinin eşdeğerine sahip olarak tanımlamaktan gurur duyuyorum. İnsan, toplum hayatı, ilahi ilişki alanında karmaşık bir anlamı vardır.
….Ama sanırım önemli bir düzeltmeyle geri dönmem gerekiyor. Anladığım kadarıyla, (aslında başkaları da) toplumu, Göbekli Tepe toplulukları eşi görülmemiş düzeyde bir sistem ve organizasyona sahipti, sadece mevcut Çinli ve Almanlarla karşılaştırılabilir (ama çok ötesinde). : Mevcut işaretler göz önüne alındığında, yeryüzünde yok olana kadar insan türünün, ister “uygarlık” desek, ister “medeniyet” olarak tanımlasak da, ne derseniz deyin, böyle bir düzeye gelemeyecek gibi görünüyor.
From archaeological point of view, every archaeological place with own characteristics, not matter age is a civilisation, e.g. Natufian, Vinca. From a post: God and the Sun: The Writing at Göbekli Tepe By Robert M. Schoch, with Catherine Ulissey
<< Traditional historians and archaeologists have often pointed to three major distinguishing characteristics by which one can identify true civilization: 1) Monumental stone architecture, 2) Settled urban (city) life, and 3) Writing.Prehistoric is often equated with a society being pre-literate; if they do not have any written inscriptions or records, then they do not have a true recorded history and are both pre-historic and pre-civilized. Furthermore, according to conventional status quo thinking, writing was first invented just prior to around 3000 BCE in Sumer and Egypt; therefore, we can date the onset of true civilization to this time. However, over 6000 years earlier in Northern Mesopotamia we find the incredibly sophisticated site of Göbekli Tepe. Many mainstream historians are hesitant to apply the label of true civilizationto the builders of Göbekli Tepe, but why? Despite monumental architecture and possible urban settlements, the best argument, for those researchers who would deny the title of true civilization to the creators of Göbekli Tepe, is (or was) that they apparently did not have any form of writing. However, the latest evidence has completely changed this notion and demands that even the skeptics must rethink the when and where of the origins of civilization.>>
With this criteria, my opinion is contrary that of Mr. Schoch,
1) Monumental stone architecture, YES 2) Settled urban (city) life, and NO (only slight traces) 3) Writing. NO (only a rudimentary script+collection of signs, not reached proto-writing stage) Not accurate Mr. Schoch statement apparently did not have any form of writing.(e.g. proto-writing is a stage before true writing !)
OVERALL RESULT = Not a true civilisation. ….. But I found something very interesting: << Now, through the insight of my colleague, Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh, we do have a potential context and comparison for the symbolic notation found at Göbekli Tepe. As Dr. Seyfzadeh noted, some of the symbols at Göbekli Tepe are remarkably similar to the Anatolian Hieroglyphs (also referred to as Luwian and/or Hittite Hieroglyphs) used in the same general region (modern Turkey) millennia later. Is this purely coincidental? We think not. Indeed, we published a technical paper pointing out some major similarities between the Anatolian Hieroglyphs and the symbols carved on some of the Göbekli Tepe pillars (Manu Seyfzadeh and Robert Schoch, Archaeological Discovery, February 2019, volume 7, pages 31-53). … The Anatolian Hieroglyphic inscriptions generally date to the second and early first millennia BCE (with many from the period of circa 1300–900 BCE). This is 8000 years or more after the construction of Göbekli Tepe, yet there are remarkable correlations suggesting that at least fragments of a writing system used by the Göbekli Tepe people survived and were incorporated into the system of Anatolian Hieroglyphs, in some cases with various modifications – which is quite understandable, and even expected, over such a vast length of time. >>
They (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) do not know, rather they pretend not to know and are not aware from my recent research in which I showed that a relatively large number of signs (12-20?) from Gobekli Tepe, I found them much closer to that period, (with 2,500 years closer) among the Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs.
..But I think I need to come back with an essential correction. From what I begin to deduce, (in fact also others) society, the communities of Gobekli Tepe had a system and organization of an unprecedented level, comparable only (but far beyond) with the current Chinese and German.So the answer is rather this: Given the current signs, it seems likely that the human species will not reach such a level, whether we call it or define “civilization” or whatever you want, until its extinction on earth.
I must confess you, I studied sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, when made research regarding Tartaria tablets. I was stunned to see one sign, repeated three times, on one of Gobekli Tepe pillars (No.43).In my mind cannot conceal the presence of a later sumerian sign at a allmost 6.000 years time span back.( or reverse: presence of Gobekli Tepe symbols 6,000 years ahead from sumerian proto-writing) I sought that possible Gobekli Tepe site is not so old !?
Dating Gobekli Tepe: the evidence doesn’t support a PPNB date, but instead a possibly much later one Dimitrios S. Dendrinos Ph.D., MArchUD, DiplArchEng. Emeritus Professor, School Of Architecture and Urban Design, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA. In residence at Ormond Beach, Florida. Contact at: cbf-jf@earthlink.net September 19, 2016 https://www.plutorules.com/uploads/7/2/6/8/72681811/dating_gobekli_tepe_september_19_2016.pdf << Abstract The paper analyzes the evidence regarding the dating of the Gobekli Tepe complex. First, it examines the C14 dating information supplied by the archeologist in charge of the Gobekli Tepe excavation, Klaus Schmidt, and a number of others. This is claimed as evidence that Gobekli Tepe is of the at least PPNB period. The evidence they analyzed was obtained from both the fill, as well as from the plaster at the surface of certain Gobekli Tepe structures. The paper also examines the lithic based evidence regarding the fill at the site. Clear evidence that counters these claims is presented in this paper. Although the Gobekli Tepe site can be shown to be of much later construction date than PPPNB, the paper sets as a modest aim to show that the structures at GT so far analyzed are of a later than PPNB date. Evidence covering both C14 dating, as well as architectural, urban design, urban planning, demography and art evidence is offered to back this argument. Extensive use is made of architectural elements from PPNA Natufian settlements, as well as PPNA/B settlements Hallan Cemi and Jerf el-Ahmar.>>
Most of the scientists think symbols are representing bags.Were related to prosperty, good wealth and used in religious rituals such as purification and fertility, and containing water, polen or seeds. ======== There are 3 signs among sumerian proto-cuneiform ones, wich are very close to the shapes of that “handbags”, and which I would like to consider and examine: Ga2, DUB, and URUDU. ====== 1.FIRST SIGN. Proto-cuneiform sign GA2
I PAY ATTENTION TO THIS SIGN NOT DUE OF THE SHAPE, BUT BECAUSE MANY SCIENTIST ARE EXPECTING KIND OF CONTAINER, AS SEEN AND SPREAD IN MANY SCULPTURES/BASS-RELIEFS THROUGHOUT THE EARTH
I suppose that the sign on the pillar,along the time wasstilised, and become by sumerians sign Ga2 :
From Archaeology of Food: An Encyclopedia Karen Bescherer Metheny, Mary C. Beaudry file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”
Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at UCLA with … pisań(2/3), pisan(2/3): (open) basket; box, chest; frame
The sumerian word for basket, container, chest is : http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria 5 mai 2000 — The niftiest ‘Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary’ in the university world: … GA2 (ga2 / gá), mal, bisag / bisaĝ [ 704x] (pisan) = basket | [208x] … The wooden
http://www.academia.edu › Interpreting_J… (DOC) Interpreting John.A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … *gá: basket; house; stable (cf., gar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants] . ga – has the composition- ka- and the meaning-of the word iskukai-cave…
http://www.federatio.org › mi_biblPDF Etymological Dictionary of Hungarian (EDH) 22 ian. 2007 — to a relative small common Sumerian-Hungarian basis of … have always adhered to the Sumerian-Hungarian theory or … Sum. gá + gur … Sum. ga2 (pronounced nga) “I”
Proposal ; ZATU 751~b
From Handbags of the Gods.https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1132912/pg1?fbclid=IwAR29xOv15LmiBxatY8str-6lbz6KjGfrhL-urOIzGqPFnWfvw4ZQKFkZ2C8 <<… they could be made of sheep hide or wicker work or beads, have metal handles or wooden, but they held such symbolic importance that they were Deified having their own Temple. …. In discussing why this was so from the Hittite perspective i’ll illustrate this with images from Jiroft curiously enough, as that culture silent in terms of translated text i consider as having the best recovered artifacts relating to this cult, suggesting an earlier common source to that of the Hittites, that being very ancient, indeed Kursa being seen at Gobekli Tepe. … We can see then that the symbolic hand bag would have had association with life, vigor and longevity and the general well being of the land, at Jiroft i think one sees all aspects of this mythos in the context of grave goods were the bag illustrates the relationship of a Telipinu type hero illustrating his relationship to nature, the connectivity between the Eastern and Western horizons in terms of constellations seen mirrored, and the cosmological palace of the great Palace and the windows of the horizon, an edifice of three layers generally. >>
The notion of tablet or imprinting was not unknown for Gobekli Tepe’s people:
Collection of plaquettes bearing iconographic symbolism from Göbekli Tepe. (Photo: N. Becker, DAI)
You see, the idea of knowledge received from ancestors or from heaven, sky divine beings is very old through-out the World, and sure preceded writing. Thus divine knowledge was before smelting metals discovery, the second sign in my opinion is a little newer than those on the pillar. DUB is known, DUBSAR:”scribe” (DUB/(clay)tablet-SAR/write,writer) But the initial old meaning is to imprint and to seal, because seals preceded writing.
http://new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html << – Sum. dub ‘tablet‘, dubsar ‘scribe’ (‘tablet-writer’), dub ‘to push away, down; to smash, abolish’ (Akkadian translation), ‘to hammer’ (Civil’s Glossary), -Today I give the proposal based on Arams Suggestions: Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type – Old Persian dipi- ‘writing’ is considered as coming from Elamite tippi, more ancient tuppi, supposed to be an evolution of Sum. dub itself. But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘. >> You see, the shape of DUB is like of a portable handle-seal or stamp, see curved handle.
So the handbags are containing tablets wich carry divine knowledge, “the tablets of destiny”
From Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(…In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtarra; Akkadian: ṭup šīmātu, ṭuppi šīmāti) was envisaged as a clay tablet
From Nimrud – Ninurta, Sumerian god – Pinteresthttps://www.pinterest.com › … › Egypt… Sumerian god of the plough attacks Anzu to regain the stolen Tablets of Destinies. … Inside The Anunnaki Purse
Those handbags, tablets of destinies have in common the idea of divine decree, destiny
Me (mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) << In Sumerian mythology, a me (𒈨; Sumerian: me; Akkadian: parsu) is one of the decrees of the divine that is foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies, behaviors, mores, and human conditions that make civilization, as the Sumerians understood it, possible. They are fundamental to the Sumerian understanding of the relationship between humanity and the gods. …. The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers, beginning with his own city of Eridu and continuing with Ur, Meluhha, and Dilmun. …. The Sumerian tablets never actually describe what any of the mes look like, but they are clearly represented by physical objects of some sort.>>
Ultimately, both mainstream Historians and Ancient Astronaut Theorists agree that the Anunnaki carried MEs in their purses.What is not clear is the exact nature of these devices which are only described as ‘splendid’ in the Sumerian Texts.However, if we consider what MEs were used for, and what they helped to accomplish in the Sumerian Civilization, then its possible that they were some kind of advanced database or computation device that was used by the advanced Race of Ancient Astronaut Alien Beings called the Anunnaki that established Civilization on Earth.
The Last Apkalllu | Sumerian Arthttps://sumerians.creator-spring.com › listing › the-last-…The Apkallu (Akkadian) or Abgal (Sumerian), are seven Sumeriansages
Apkallu – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Apkallu <<Apkallu (Akkadian) and Abgal (Sumerian:𒉣𒈨 ) are terms found in cuneiform inscriptions that in general mean either “wise” or “sage”.>>
Mario Brun – Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to… | Facebookhttps://ne-np.facebook.com › posts· Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to protect a household, figures would be buried beneath the floor in groups of seven.
(PDF) The God Enki in Sumerian Royal Ideology and Mythologyhttps://www.researchgate.net › … › Mythologyand mythological meaning of the term me: V. Emelianov, Calendar Ritual in Sumerian. Religion and Culture (ME’s and the Spring Festivals) (2009)
========= very interesting =========
Shape T of pillars= sumerian proto-cuneiform sign Me :”Divine powers, divine decree,…”( and others ) On wich we have three symbols (“marks,seals, tablets” ?) so maybe three tablets. In fact three sets of tablets of destinies. Maybe every of (3?) tribes received his set of instructions (see different animals relating to each tribe)
IT IS ABSOLUTELY WEIRD THAT PROTO-CUNEIFORM SIGN DUB “TABLET”HAS CLOSE SHAPE WITH THAT OF BAG/CONTAINER/BASKET …AND BESIDE BASKET SIGN IS ALSO HOUSE! :
Of course metals were not present at Gobekli Tepe, at least in the LAYER II time/9,000 B.C. By sumerians appeared later. Interpretation of John. A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … – NanoPDFhttps://nanopdf.com › download › interpreation-of-j…PDF <<urudu, uruda, urud: copper; metal (ùru, ‘luminous object‘, + dù, ‘to mould, cast’) [URUDU archaic frequency: 61; concatenates 3 sign variants] >> …..Metals are generally luminous (except iron, lead?)
After documenting, I got a clear image and could advance a hypothesis on the origin, evolution and meaning of so called “handbag” sign. Surprisingly is not the fact that the symbol is very old and oripginated at Gobekli Tepe, but the fact that the first ordinary meaning is near identical to bag. In fact it seems that was a hunting bag, and not at all an ordinary one. but used in religios-related rituals and was as much sacred that at the hittites there was also a God with the name Kursa:”hunting bag”/”breastplate-shield”?
https://www.academia.edu › The_m… The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. He remarked that, in Sumerian, the bird is the sign for fate and destiny
The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. Joost Blasweiler https://www.academia.edu/4853772/The_mother_of_the_hunting_god_and_a_kursa_on_the_eya_tree << The scholar Maciej Popko stated in his dissertation of 1978 that the kursa (the fleece) played animportant role in religion and many old Hittite festivals. The kursa was a sacral attribute and was offered as a representative of a god.Popko explained how the Hittite kursa, a bag of leather … … Some texts indicate that the kursa could have also be in the form of a shield or a cloth. It is then a cult symbol, which stands next to the sacral container with 20 arrows. Popkoremarked that there is a possibility that the kursa was not a shield but a skin, a fleece, which protected the arrow container.>> See in the extreme right a bag is hunging from stylized (eya) tree
————————————————— I was impressed at what extent spread this symbol, and in how many cultures.Evidence is the presence in so many places. Probably the Gobekli Tepe symbol had complex meaning, beside bag, basket container having also that of house and impression, inprinting. The root DUB is present in IE languages ast the root Typ, greek typos> tipografy, to type.
Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection – New …http://new-indology.blogspot.com › 2015/05 › sumeria…May 2, 2015 — Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type etc, compare Akkadian tup Persian dabir/dapir, Arm ..
The rootdub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘, make me to think that on the pillar they wanted to stamp,impress leave the mark of the main tribes, as near every symbol was a different animal (TOTEM !)
The evidence of meaning “impress,tablet” are the tablets with signs found at Gobekli Tepe, and the shape of proto-cuneiform sign “DUB” . For the meaning “house” the evidence is the close shape of GA2 sign, of course modified, stilised in passing thousend years, toward vedged-cuneiform.
—————– Not one scientist, but many hypothesised that those symbols could signify houses:
(PDF) So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of …https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 25956191…Sep 24, 2015 — Relief on pillar 43 in structure D. Note the “box-like” objects near the … One possible interpretation of these objects is as houses with …
Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth’s Lost …https://books.google.ro › booksGraham Hancock · 2015 · HistoryFigure 52: Astronomer Giulio Magli notes of Pillar 43 at Göbekli Tepe (right) that the ‘bags’ in the top register are similar to the ‘houses in the sky‘ …
Gobekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods: The Temple of the …https://books.google.ro › booksAndrew Collins · 2014 · Body, Mind & SpiritOn Pillar 43’s western face are three vultures, one of which is a juvenile. … are most likely animal pens or houses, situated on what could be the edge of
From So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of Temples in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic of the Near East
YOU SEE, IT SEEMS THAT FROM THAT CONCRETE SYMBOL ON THE PILLAR, APPARENTLY DERIVED IN THE COURSE OF TIME OTHER CLOSE SHAPED SIGNS WITH THE MEANINGS: GA2: “HOUSE” ; “BASKET” > Hitt.Kursa, “hunting bag ?” (At Gobekli Tepe, there was any Gucci yet, so rather baskets) DUB:”STAMP, IMPRESS,TABLET” URUDU:”COPPER” (much later)
In my opinion, at Gobekli Tepe were sacred symbols, wich represented SACRED BASKETS/HANDBAGS USED IN RELIGIOUS RITUALS IN THE SAME WAY AS HITTITE USED CURSAS.
Today I had a revelation: It is not by chance that Vulture stone/pillar 43 has on it depicted in the same time the bags and a lot of birds.Birds are later sumerian Apkallu=”wise,sage” (… these figurines include fish-man hybrids representing the seven sages, but also include bird-headed and other figures.) and Anzu birds. An mean sky and zu wisdom intelligence, so wisdom and knowledge from sky. From Wikipedia:”AN.ZU could therefore mean simply “heavenly eagle” Also I learned that close around shifting North Pole there were those many bird-constellations.Probably as at siberian hunter-gatherers, the north pole was the channel used by shamans to comunicate with the Other World From Axis Mundi Wikipedia: 《A common shamanic concept, and a universally told story, is that of the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world.》
The Abzu or ApsuSumerian: engur; lit., ab=’water‘ zu=’deep‘, The pictogram for ‘zu’ is a full measuring cup and means knowledge, scholar, wisdom. The pictogram for ‘ab’ is a house, or a thatched hut, meaning father, house-father. Thus, Abzu, actually Zuab, means ‘All-knowingFather‘>>
If Apkallu has the shape of a fish, or AbZu coming from deep or is bird AnZu coming from sky they have in common Zu=knowledge, wisdom.
If Gobekli Tepe’s people had cult of ancestors, then make sense that sumerians continued to have also the cult of Abzu:”all knowing father” wich carry in handbag exactly what wich knows, knowledge.
Doing my research regarding Gobekli Tepe site ,I cannot explain why some things especially symbols and signs are so close related to that sumerian ones.
Despite great time span between this civilisations of 6,000 years,(from 9,600/Gobekli to 3,600/sumerian).I not comprehend how cultural achievent (symbols and marks) have been continously transmitted from generation to generation such a long time. As knowing well sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, I was shocked finding some of them at Gobekli Tepe. There are many of them, e.g. those handbags,sign T,sign H, and so on. In my mind aroused a quick explanation, as Gobekli Tepe not beeing so old or was in contact /visited by (proto?) sumerians a long time period. Very interesting, as allmost all scientists are for very old dates (level III, beginning at PPNA)
https://www.researchgate.net › 3189…(PDF) Gobekli Tepe, Tell Qaramel, Tell Es-Sultan – Research Gate — 10th millennium BC PPNA down to the 7th millennium BC late PPNB
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352881173_MORE_ON_CARBON-14_EVIDENCE_AND_GOBEKLI_TEPE Another same opinion: https://such.forumotion.com/t9998-to-the-archaeologically-curious-a-comment-on-the-ancient-gobekli-tepe-in-turkey 《Furthermore, since the site (“temples” for example ) at GT required cutting and shaping of huge stone pillars etc. (weighing in tons, as much as 50 tons), that type of enormous task would not have been carried out by builders without the help of metallic tools (made from copper, bronze or iron etc.) or at least until 5000 BC (7000 years ago) when humans first learnt the use of metals (or perhaps even as late as 4000 BC when the use of metallic tools became common). Thus the GT site, rather than being of a Pre Pottery Neolithic era, appears to be much younger, belonging probably to the post-metallic age and coming after 4000 BC (perhaps even as late as 1900 BC, after making corrections to the apparent radiocarbon date of 10000 BC).》
https://www.eupedia.com › index.phpAncient Egyptian dna-Kraus et al [Archive] – Eupedia Forum –Natufian comprises basal European ancestry and the Neolithic expansion with megalithic
========== – I will be not happier if the site is in reality younger. – On some points, Mr.Dendrinos is right (what samples were age-determined, comparison with other Natufian sites) – If wonder why not found pottery: https://such.forumotion.com/t9998-to-the-archaeologically-curious-a-comment-on-the-ancient-gobekli-tepe-in-turkey 《Considering humans have used pottery (including clay pots and pans) since prehistoric times (well before 15000 BC), the association with PPN for GT (with questionable radiocarbon date 10000 BC) is quite preposterous 》 – Gobekli Tepe society was at least as highly organised as that sumerian, (taking account how much earlier was). -As sumerians received sets of divine decrees, sets of Me, possible hunter-gatherers tribes received also sets of instructions. – Gobekli Tepe was later Du–Ku “sacred mound” ! – Gobekli saman was later Ur-Bau, Ur-Meme, divine-healer goddess Gula ? – Periodically Gobekli gatherings for keeping fertility feasts and festivals continued with annual sumerian festivals.
https://second.wiki › wikiArchaic Spirituality in Systematized Religions – second.wiki 《The most original cult forms of the pre-Hittite period, in which Semitic and Indo-European populations mixed, were found in Göbekli Tepe in southern Anatolia and in Çatalhöyük》
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languages 《The hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period.
The Sumerian and Etruscan languages, usually regarded as language isolates, are thought by some to be Nostratic languages as well. Others, however, consider one or both to be members of another macrofamily called Dené–Caucasian.》 ========== https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture 《The view that the Natufians spoke an Afroasiatic language is accepted by Vitaly Shevoroshkin. Alexander Militarev and others have argued that the Natufian may represent the culture that spoke the proto-Afroasiatic language, which he in turn believes has a Eurasian origin associated with the concept of Nostratic languages. The possibility of Natufians speaking proto-Afroasiatic, and that the language was introduced into Africa from the Levant, is approved by Colin Renfrew with caution, as a possible hypothesis for proto-Afro-Asiatic dispersal. .. Within this group, Ehret, who like Militarev believes Afroasiatic may already have been in existence in the Natufian period, would associate Natufians only with the Near Eastern pre-proto-Semitic branch of Afroasiatic 》
========= I.E. and sumerian, originated not in the same place, but close one of another ? E.g. I.E. in Central Turkey and Sumerian in South- Eastern Turkey ?https://images.app.goo.gl/rXfMfxBGokP3AazL7
=== Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family === REMCO BOUCKAERTPHILIPPE LEMEYMICHAEL DUNNSIMON J. GREENHILLALEXANDER V. ALEKSEYENKOALEXEI J. DRUMMONDRUSSELL D. GRAYMARC A. SUCHARDAND QUENTIN D. ATKINSON https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1219669?doi=10.1126/science.1219669A Family of Languages English is part of the large Indo-European language family, which includes Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian languages. The origin of this family is hotly debated: one hypothesis places the origin north of the Caspian Sea in the Pontic steppes, from where it was disseminated by Kurgan semi-nomadic pastoralists; a second suggests that Anatolia, in modern-day Turkey, is the source, and the language radiated with the spread of agriculture. Bouckaert et al. (p. 957) used phylogenetic methods and modeling to assess the geographical spread of the Indo-European language group. The findings support the suggestion that the origin of the language family was indeed Anatolia 7 to 10 thousand years ago—contemporaneous with the spread of agriculture. Abstract There are two competing hypotheses for the origin of the Indo-European language family. The conventional view places the homeland in the Pontic steppes about 6000 years ago. An alternative hypothesis claims that the languages spread from Anatolia with the expansion of farming 8000 to 9500 years ago. We used Bayesian phylogeographic approaches, together with basic vocabulary data from 103 ancient and contemporary Indo-European languages, to explicitly model the expansion of the family and test these hypotheses. We found decisive support for an Anatolian origin over a steppe origin. Both the inferred timing and root location of the Indo-European language trees fit with an agricultural expansion from Anatolia beginning 8000 to 9500 years ago. These results highlight the critical role that phylogeographic inference can play in resolving debates about human prehistory.
The majority view in historical linguistics is that the homeland of the Indo-European language family was located in the Pontic steppes (present day Ukraine) around 6000 years ago. The evidence for this comes from linguistic paleontology: in particular, certain words to do with the technology of wheeled vehicles are arguably present across all the branches of the Indo-European family; and archaeology tells us that wheeled vehicles arose no earlier than this date. The minority view links the origins of Indo-European with the spread of farming from Anatolia 8000-9500 years ago. The minority view is decisively supported by the present analysis in this week’s Science. This analysis combines a model of theevolution of the lexicons of individual languages with an explicit spatial model of the dispersal of the speakers of those languages.》
<<This note follows up on the conclusions at the end of my 1996 paper on “The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process”.
After the proto-Sumerians made the conceptual breakthrough of mapping important things in the world to vocalic symbols, i.e., inventing spoken language, the concept spread to other nearby cultures.
Archaeologists now describe the very early megalithic temple site of Göbekli Tepe in south-eastern Turkey/Anatolia as an important supra-regional pilgrimage site, whose “rich and varied material culture suggests its visitation by peoples from three distinct cultural regions: Upper Mesopotamia, the Zagros and the southern Levant” (where proto-Sumerian arose to the east in the Zagros mountains and proto-Semitic arose down in the southern Levant). “Research indicates the site was created by hunter-gatherers, rather than farmers, who came from across a large area to build and then visit the site for religious purposes.” In an informative program for the National Geographic Channel called Cradle of the Gods, archaeologist Dr. Jeff Rose devoted an hour to exploring what the site of Göbekli Tepe might have been used for and where its builders might have lived.
In parallel with the archaeology, language studies are increasingly indicating that it was these same inhabitants of southeastern Anatolia who created and perfected the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) language, the ancestor of English, Russian, Sanskrit, Persian, Latin, Greek, Hittite, Armenian, Kurdish, etc. According to an article in the August 23, 2012 issue of the journal Science, an evolutionary biologist, Quentin Atkinson of the University of Auckland in New Zealand, and a large international team have adapted a technique normally used to study the evolution and spread of disease (Bayesian phylogeographic analysis) to analyze the existing vocabulary and geographical range of 103 Indo-European languages and computationally walk them back in time and place to their statistically most likely origin. The result is that “we found decisive support for an Anatolian origin over a steppe origin.” Both the timing and the root of the tree of Indo-European languages “fit with an agricultural expansion from Anatolia beginning 8,000 to 9,500 years ago“.
The creators of PIE did not originate the concept of spoken mouth gestures for communication, but living at the center of a vibrant multi-cultural community, they probably had extensive experience in communicating using bodily gestures. They applied that background to develop what in effect was an improved Language 2.0, versions of which then spread far and wide from the Göbekli Tepe pilgrimage site.
In an episode of the TV sit-com Two and a Half Men from 2003, Jon Cryer’s character Alan says, “I mean, why doesn’t anyone speak Sumerian anymore?” Compared to the other languages that it inspired, Sumerian had a more primitive design structure. You might as well ask why computer programmers no longer write code directly in machine assembly language, preferring instead one of the more modern high-level programming languages, which are conceptually flexible and user-friendly.Notes
R. Bouckaert, P. Lemey, M. Dunn, S. J. Greenhill, A. V. Alekseyenko, A. J. Drummond, R. D. Gray, M. A. Suchard, Q. D. Atkinson. “Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family”. Science, 2012; 337 (6097): 957 DOI: 10.1126/science.1219669 >>
Ancient DNA available from this time in Anatolia shows no evidence of steppe ancestry similar to that in the Yamnaya (although the evidence here is circumstantial as no ancient DNA from the Hittites themselves has yet been published). This suggests to me that the most likely location of the population that first spoke an Indo-European language was south of the Caucasus Mountains, perhaps in present-day Iran or Armenia, because ancient DNA from people who lived there matches what we would expect for a source population both for the Yamnaya and for ancient Anatolians. If this scenario is right the population sent one branch up into the steppe-mixing with steppe hunter-gatherers in a one-to-one ratio to become the Yamnaya as described earlier- and another to Anatolia to found the ancestors of people there who spoke languages such as Hittite.
eugenrau: Armenia Turkey Iran ….rather than Steppes From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Euphratean_language 《Proto-Euphratean is a hypothetical unclassified language or languages which was considered by some Assyriologists (for example, Samuel Noah Kramer) to be the substratum language of the people who introduced farming into Southern Iraq in the Early Ubaid period (5300-4700 BC). …. A related proposal by Gordon Whittaker[3] is that the language of the proto-literary texts from the Late Uruk period (c. 3350–3100 BC) is an early Indo-European language that he terms “Euphratic“.》
The Urheimat of the Nostratic Languages Valentin Stetsyuk https://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Alterling/Nostratic.html 《The later speakers of this parent language could move to other places, but there was the ancestral home of their descendants. H.Birnbaum expressed this most accurately: And probably, if the main spreading space of the Nostratic language – as intended – should be really identified with the South Caucasus, the eastern (and southern) Anatolia and upper course of the Tigris and Euphrates, it is natural to assume that the later areas of the spread of the Proto-Indo-European language was closer to the Black Sea – the Pontic steppe areas in northern and western Anatolia…(BIRNBAUM H. 1993: 16)》 ======= Eurasiatic > prot.-Afro-Asiatic > (prot.)-Sumerian From same Eurasiatic >Anatolian- I.European
Alles begann beim Lesen: https://www.ancient-origins.net › co…Kosmische Kraft des Schamanen und Symbole im Göbekli Tepe – Teil II .Özgür Baris Etli < Das H-Symbol Ray Urbaniak interpretiert das „H“-Symbol als Doppel-T-Form. Zwei zusammengefügte T-Formen bilden ein Doppel-T. Er sagt auch, dass Tau die Hälfte davon in der spirituellen Welt repräsentiert. Wir können uns also vorstellen, dass das „H“-Symbol aus zwei Tau-Symbolen besteht. Das I-Symbol Das „I“-Symbol der alten mexikanischen Mythologie zeigt nicht nur ein einzelnes Tau in zwei Formen, sondern in unterschiedlichen Positionen, sowie zwei doppelköpfige Figuren, die in einer vereint sind, was die Dualität oben und unten oder den Himmel illustriert und Erde. … …….. In der prototürkischen Kultur wurde das „I“-Symbol als „ON: Cosmos“ bezeichnet. Interessanterweise repräsentiert das „I“-Symbol in der chinesischen Kultur den Schamanen oder Geistervermittler, das sogenannte Wu. Die weit verbreitete Verwendung der umgekehrten und aufrechten Tau-Form bei den indigenen amerikanischen Völkern als Embleme des Oben und Unten ist reichlich belegt und ist zweifellos so selbstverständlich entstanden wie die chinesischen Schriftzeichen „Shang: Above“, die als Symbol für den Himmel verwendet werden, und „Lea: Unten oder Unten“, verwendet als Symbol für die Erde. Die Verbindung zwischen Himmel und Erde stellt die Erschaffung der Unschuld dar und dies wird durch die zentrale Linie widergespiegelt. … Ich kann also vermuten, dass es sich bei dem mysteriösen „Me“-Symbol um eine „Himmel (Himmel) – Erde-Verbindung: damit das Leben existieren könnte“ handelt. Im schamanischen Glauben nimmt die Erde ihre Lebenskraft über die Nabelschnur aus dem Himmel. Göbekli Tepe ist aus diesem Grund als wichtiger Standort anzusehen. (Interessanterweise bedeutet „Göbek“ auf Türkisch „Der Nabel“). Darin vereinen sich schöpferische Kräfte zur Geburt oder Wiedergeburt. Daher sind bestimmte Tage entscheidend, um Lebensenergie vom Himmel oder Himmel zu holen. Es wird angenommen, dass die Lebenskraft immer da ist, aber nicht immer sichtbar. Es wird angenommen, dass es an bestimmten Tagen des Jahres sichtbar ist.Diese Tage sind die Tagundnachtgleiche und die Sonnenwende. Andererseits kann das „H“- oder schräge „I“-Symbol für Ost-West-, Frau-Mann- oder Gott-Göttin-Verbindungen stehen.> Herr Özgür!: H-Charakter ist nicht Wu, sondern Gong-„Arbeit“ ! ========= H UND ICH SIND VARIANTEN DER GLEICHEN GRUNDFORM! Die Argumentation von Herrn Urbaniak und Özgür stimmt mit meinen Erkenntnissen überein: protosumerisches Zeichen “T”=”Me” bedeutet meiner Meinung nach protosumerisch/euphratischer “Lebensgeist”, sumerisch “göttliche Kraft, Wesen, Vorfahre”.
Despite great time span between this civilisations of 6,000 years,(from 9,600/Gobekli to 3,600/sumerian).I not comprehend how cultural achievent (symbols and marks) have been continously transmitted from generation to generation such a long time. As knowing well sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, I was shocked finding some of them at Gobekli Tepe. There are many of them, e.g. those handbags,sign T,sign H, and so on. In my mind aroused a quick explanation, as Gobekli Tepe not beeing so old or was in contact /visited by (proto?) sumerians a long time period. Very interesting, as allmost all scientists are for very old dates (level III, beginning at PPNA) 
Tartaria tablets 
