There are many questions wich allmost remained without responce: -It is writing, of wich kind? -It is proto-writing or writing; if writing,wich kind? -What is the period of time in wich were made? -Who was the supposed writer? -To wich culture partained tablets and he or her? -Are tablets real or fakes? -Why no scientist engaged in close research and give strait answers? ………….An other (more than ten) questions.
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/2004509-first-civilisation-world-originated-balkans.html#ixzz5EFpnyKyJ The Danubian Neolithical cultures that makes the so-called Dabunian Civilisation (Vinca-Turdaș, Criș, Hamangia, Cucuteni, Gumelnița, Boian etc) were in fact the offsprings of migrations from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent toward Europe of early agricultors and the Vinca-Turdaș script, while the oldest system of writing in the world, didn’t developed in a large scale practice, there are no more than some hundreds discoveries of pottery shards and other pieces bearing (usually only one) such signs and the society wasn’t yet highly structured and hierarchized like the Sumerian one. And perhaps more important, the Vinca-Turdaș script was an isolated phenomenon, it disappeared with the end of this material culture (with some echos perhaps in the later Cucuteni culture).
From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-new-york-times-a-lost-european-culture-vlassa-tartaria-striga-istoria-sub-noi-oameni-buni/#comment-6635 : Sa nu ma atacati inainte de a trece o noapte. Nu stiu exact cum s-a intamplat, insa doar oasele au fost datate cu C14.Rezultatul este ca 99% din cercetatorii din lume stiu ca tablitele au fost datate.In consecinta,toti acestia iau de buna varsta de 5200 BC.Mai rau este ca toti incep sa-si modifice teoriile legate de neoliticul European si despre istoria Scrisului. Varsta aceasta poate sau nu fi adevarata. Insa toti ar trebui sa stie ca nu tablitele au fost datate ci numai oasele! In (forensic science) criminalistica vasta unui obiect nu se translateaza ca fiind aceeasi cu varsta unui alt obiect,chiar aflat in imediata vecinatate! Dupa cate am inteles in arheologie cand se poate cand nu, de cele mai multe ori da.Nu uitati ca in situl arheologic a fost haloimesul de pe lume.Nu s-a lucrat cf. tehnicilor actuale.asa daca ne gandim puteau pica din zeci de cm de mai sus.(Unii zic ca se lucra “la norma” si posibil Vlassa a luat tablitele din miile de obecte de-a lui Szofia Torma)Nimeni in lume si nicaieri nu a luat cineva vre-un pix in mana (cuneus) inainte de 3200-3500 BC.Nici macar ca sa faca tablite pictografice, darmite cu semne! Cu respect, ing. Eugen Rau Timisoara
I not agree the folowing!:The Hittites Quote:
| Originally Posted by CARPATHIAN |
The European population of Turdaș-Vinča culture discovered the writing and the metallurgy for the first time in human history and brought these discoveries to Mesopotamia where the Vinča Script was developed into the Cuneiform Script and the Sumerian culture has reached higher levels of development because of the hierarchization of society that brought the possibility of erecting imposing temples and cities. ———————————————————————————————————–
regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions
Radiocarbon dating – is it applicable to clay? Where are the tablets now? —Ghirla-трёп- 04:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
No, it isn’t. Radiocarbon dating may only be applied to organic artifacts. The original Tartaria tablets were of dried, unbaked clay. The Romanian scientists baked them in an oven, to avoid their decay, but any subsequent dating by thermoluminescence (which is the usual method for the age determnation of ceramic artifacts) became impossible.–Mazarin07(talk) 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
The radio-carbon dating was performed not on the tablets themselves but on the bones with which they were found and with which they are presumed to have been buried. The article’s (currently) second external link is to a report dated 2004 of an investigation of the bones, tablets etc that dates the bones to a calibrated r-c span of 5370-5140BC. Incidentally, that report also corrects several of the original excavator’s incorrect assumptions which the article currently still contains. For example, the bones were not burnt, and are of an elderly female, not a male. I leave it to someone with more wiki-fu to study the report and update the article. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC) ——————————————————————————————————————————- To have the quickest possible responce to above questions, and have proper understanding, I will begin with the most important aspect,out of all others: – For a college (or above) level wiewer (no counting here scientists) something is shocking or striking : -There are three tablets wich normally distanced in time one of another 500-1000 years; could be showed and given to average cultural level people as kind of exemples for some of main steps/stages by wich evolved the writing:
(Periods of time are as raw refference) 1-Iconic stage,usually as before 3.500 B.C. 2-Proto-hierogliphic stage as between 3500(east)-2200(west) B.C. –Hierogliphic stage between 3.000(east)-2000(west) B.C. 3 –Syllabary, alphabetic stage between 2500(est)-1.500(west) B.C. One writer cannot know well all three systems of writing, but even so, cannot live in all above period/span of time. So there are only three explanations: 1.-the tablets are not related one with another 2.-the tablets are fakes 3–the tablets are made in later times (B.C.),by somebody who knew proper writing and also knew some-how ( kind of cultural transmission) some older signs and icons and some ideas/recollection of theyr meaning. He/her made another twoo as kind of school to stress the ancestor’s esteem and/or show how predecessors wrote. I am inclined to support the last hypothesis. ————————————————————————————- Some twelve years before, I saw for the first time the tablets pictures.After got knoledge of writing landscape and evolving, after 24 hrs. only I remained with the strong impression that on the round tablet we have signs as letters. I recognised many signs wich were used as letters in archaic greek alphabets.Despite this. I cannot identify all signs as letters in 100% proportion in any alphabet.Highest percentage in identifying work had carian folowed by old greek and iberian alphabets. Even for some years i had (and have) a reading upon archaic greek alphabets.Here I had the support of eteocretan alphabet and writing.later, one month before I could find all the signs of both written tablets (out of pictographic) using sumerian signs. Also I could use of cretan hierogliphic,Linear A/B signs for both tablets but encountered some difficulties (2 signs:bow+arrow and >>) at that round-one. I am not counting those hierogliphic-like,complex signs wich can be icons but as well ligatured letters. these very icons had the prime effect that one to keep scientists at distance because are also vave a mysterius appearance. In my understanding, Linear A/B begun in Aegean area and there also finished there.No gain large acceptance and not known or extended in Europe and other areas. After that, begun to be known better in Europe phoinikeia grammata “phoenician letters” with followers old hebrew and greek alphabet. But in the European people’s and cultural turmoil , different peoples addapted and gave their own and quite/slight different use of those signs. ————————————————————————————————- Very interesting, I saw one month before old runic Bulgarian alphabet and realised that I have many of signs there.But not gave proper attention.Taking account that there are some related issues between gothic,nordic and Balcan(Blugarian) areas, I realised that there were contacts between those cultures wich continued till christianism full emerged in Europe. See: From Scandinavia and the Balkans: Cultural Interactions with Byzantium …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1443882283Oksana Minaeva, Lena Holmquist “The solar sign in the inscription also possesses the magical meaning of the character. In greek papyrus texts,it is a planetary symbol and denotes various vocalisations from the greek alphabet:usually H or T. ….In papyrus texts,the moon is also presented
This once again highlights the relationship between the discussed monument and Gothic literary culture discovered in present-day Bulgaria.47 The solar sign in the … 8 of the treasure from Nagyszentmiklós, which is dedicated to the complex nature of the Christian God according to Gnostic Christian views of Middle Eastern …”
ould be kind of contact between Cycladic Keros/Syros population and early “Servos” from near-by Serres.
From site: http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.ro/2011/04/bulgarian-alphabet.html
———————————————————————————————————————————- Even if I would begin such an attempt, another obstacle want to block my optimismus: The artefacts found near-by at the archeological site. Artefacts that wanting to speak that something is related to Aegean and specific to Cyclades area (don’t ask me why but my mind was focussed by the center of Cyclades, Keros-Syros islands): -one Spondyllus-shell bracelet -one figurine/statuettes made in Cyclades style -one alabaster footed-pot also in perfect cycladic style. Not to mention that in Aegean/Greek aereas were found hundred of tablets with proper writing, Linear A/B or archaic greek, in our area (Bulgaria-Serbia-Macedonia) a few written tablets , around or above five (e.g. Ezerovo ring-supposed thracian but no one clear read or deciphered) ———————————————————————————————-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet
Letters Heta/Eta-Rho :”HeRo,HeRa,HaR,Haro”=Hero,Lady,Charm,Death
Sign +++++ is +++ ? From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html Values of the vowels As for long and short vowels, only /e/ could have separate symbols for the two quantities, namely 
for “long e” and 
for “short e”. In fact in Greek spelling it was not even as simple as that. Ancient Greek had two “long e” sounds: low-mid [ɛː] and high-mid [eː]. In Greek denoted only the long low-mid sound; had to do duty for both the short sound and the long high-mid sound (until ει (ei) came to be used to denote /eː/ in the 5th century BCE). We see this in the Cretan Greek inscriptions from Dreros. Whether Eteocretan used similar spelling conventions or whether was always short, we have no way of knowing; all we can safely assume is that is always long. Values of consonants The consonants, for the most part, denoted the same phonemes as those denoted in the International Phonetic Alphabet by the Roman transcription shown in the table above; the only two exceptions are: 1.zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].
In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found. 2.semk: 
is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities: – As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of 
and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/. – It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant [sʷ]].
Upper-Right quarter,signs: +++++ (i?)D(i?) D o o Letters: Se?Su? ( i)R(i) R o o
Reading: Surroo=Surrou Seirroo>Seirrou ;seiroo>seirrou
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sirius.html Such stars astronomers call seirious on account of the tremulous motion of their light;…….so that it would seem that the word, in its forms seir, seiros, and seirios, — Suidas used all three for both sun and star, — originally was employed to indicate any bright and sparkling heavenly object, but in the course of time became a proper name for this brightest of all the stars.
From Hermes Scythicus Or the Radical Affinities of the Greek and Latin …https://books.google.ro/books?id=LFRmAAAAcAAJ … “Syr, or Seir,” he adds, “which the Persians “employed to denominate the sun, seems to be “ the same with Thor, only in a different dialect. “The ancient people of the north …
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13 Jul 2004 – be understood as the sun, shining on the male head or king and the ear of grain … The peculiar name Seyr for Zeus may have a correspondence in the Hittite … well worthy of Zeus, who was the supreme Greek god already in ..
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25 Aug 2001 – Please respond to the idea that “Seir = Sun“…. that’s all I really … Sirius was the name of the dog that accompanied the Greek Hero > Orion!
6. eugenrau https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/829170-tablithele-de-la-tartaria/page__st__90 Posted 28 October 2012 – 00:21 seir=seiros=xeros=ca si xerox=rom/uscator; en./schorcherer=a fost aplicat in vechime atat pentru soare cat si pentru sirius
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AC seira:”cord, rope”
From Queen of heaven (antiquity) – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(antiquity) Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). In Greco-Roman …
So,possible: Hera Sun(Zeus) Hero Sirius(Osiris) >> pre-Christ.? Hera Syrrou (lady from Syria/Syros?) …..there’are saying in Bible that christianism was brought by a Syrian woman HaR Seirrou chord of Charm (Har<>charis) chord/rope of <=>of Sun/Sirius/Hera
seir<!>seira ; thrac.syros:”pit”(osiris burial/rebirth?)
Surrou<>Surriou<>Surya/Svar/Suar
Note: “rr” is for “rho” and “oo” used before-time changed to “ou” and in some cases “omega” ; rroo=rhou (rom.rau=river):”flow,course” from v.”rheo” (could be also Hora rrou=”flow of” time)
Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥ – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥
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