Tartaria “SUN TABLET” (round) shows hardest to be read

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                                This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. =====


This tablet muddled/confused/puzzled me.And not only me.Because contrary of the first impression, as to contain/have many archaic greek letters, the matter is not so simple.

Yes, out of hieroglyphic/icon-like religion-related signs on right-downward quadrant and above the sign +++++ wich could mean 50 (supposed age of the woman writer) , many signs in the rest are found in archaic greek alphabet variants (epichoric greek variants).But even so,”Bow+Arrow” and “>>” signs on downward-left corner cannot be found in archaic greek.(But the last-ones are present in carian writing)


Ancient Languages of the East Mediterranean. https://tied.verbix.com/archive/article9.html                                                                                                                            It is known from Greek sources that the Mediterranean shores of Asia Minor were inhabited by different peoples, whose origin was unknown by Greeks. Some think Pelasgians, pre-Hellenic population of Greece, came from Asia Minor, whether they were Indo-Europeans or not. The word Assuwa mentioned in Hittite sources, is the same as Greek Asia, that’s how Asia got its name. Another name for the people of Asia Minor is Ahhijawa which is for sure Achaeans, Greeks who are believed to settle on Asian coasts already since the 15th century BC. Later, when Hittites began migrating westwards, Lycia, Lydia and Caria were invaded by Anatolian-speaking peoples, Achaeans were made to go back to Aegean Islands and to Balkans.    

I cannot found all the signs only in twoo writing systems: sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library and in carian alphabets. Sorry enough the difference between those above writings is depassing 2.000 years (3.200 <visa>1.200). Even if the tablet could be read in sumerian,  some-how I am not sure if at a so long distance the writing could be transmited. Also I am sorry for Romanian archeologists if the tablet is written in an Anatolian writing, because the age would be not so great as they supposed to be (any case 5.200 B.C. is completely out of range) but not even touch the 3.000 B.C. age limit. Because of only twoo speciphic signs, bow-arrow and >>, wich I cannot find in any Aegean area, I must be constrained to left/get up the testing of the tablet in an Aegean writing system (Cretan hieroglyphic+Linear A/B).So at the same level with sumerian but in my mind with more chances there is the Anatolian writing, don’t know exactly wich but carian seem to gain more + -ses. What are the plus and minuses if carian writing occure on our tablet :                                                                                                                             + much related by historical/archeological points of wiew of Anatolia to Vinca-Turdas culture                                                                                                                                                      carian has many different alphabets (ones used in Egypt and others in Anatolia) in Anatolia were used more than 25 Anatolian alphabets.                                                                carian language is one of the less known and understood I.European languages                 signs and language combined are the mixed effect of having one  great mess one expect if attempt decyphering/reading.                                                                                                      In fact,                                                                                                                                                      – Caria was closest (as Lycia was ) to Cycladic/Aegean and Egypt.                                              – carians were navigators wich reached Egypt and paid as soldiers in some faraoh’s army.Map from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_cario                                                                                        Image result for caria

for carian language and writing see The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der … cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf

The Carian Language – Ignacio-Javier Adiego Lajara – Google Books https://books.google.com

 From https://www.omniglot.com/writing/carian.php you have the basic carian alphabet:


Carian alphabets – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carian_alphabets               The Carian alphabets are a number of regional scripts used to write the Carian language of western Anatolia. They consisted of some 30 alphabetic letters, with several geographic variants in Caria and a homogeneous variant attested from the Nile delta, where Carian mercenaries fought for the Egyptian pharaohs.

The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der …  cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf         which many inscriptions were written. Moreover, both the hypotheses on the origin of Carian letters envisaged here (p. 231) and the strongly differentiated local alphabetic variants point clearly to a much wider and prolonged use of Carian script.                                                                                                                       Hrozný and Hittite: Abstracts  https://www.ff.cuni.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Hrozny2015-Abstracts-Web.pdf – Ignasi-Xavier ADIEGO. (University of Barcelona).                                                                                                              One of the typically chaotic situations produced in Carian both by the singularity of the alphabet and by the scarcity of the documentation available is the so-called ”defective notation of vowels”: the fact that Carian writing tends to omit the notation of vocalic.

Other alphabets, No.2                                                                                                                                                   Table, from http://oldeuropewriting.blogspot.ro/
                                              No.3                                                                      Table,from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html
No.4                                                                                                                                                Table, from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

So, let’s begin;

No.1 Quarter:



My first and main interpretation of those twoo complex-signs is that there are  religious rituals related icons.                                                                                                                                Left sign, in red:

Tart RED

Out of supposed “altar with flames“icon, “if” we one suppose ligatured letters (or one upon another), could have:

Up:             E/U/Y/W ?                                                                                                                                 Down:       Delta,K,G,Ra

Eg,Ek,Ug, (Sumerian E-Ga:”it is”;Anatolian/I.E. Eg,Ek; Carian Uk:”I,me“) ED,EDe(“eat”)or ERa (“earth“)             Note.Found in opposite 180Deg. corner also Eta-Rho “ERA?”                                                         Right icon/sign (black): “astral deity“,”sun-abode” icon                                                                                                                     At the very top: Sidetian “N”                                                                                                   Middle:   B/L/G?                                                                                                                                       Down: A/L/D?                                                                                                                                     So: BAL/GAD? ( & combinations)



The great difficulty is not arising from the sign +++++, but from the “D”-shaped signs!      D-shape signs appeared first in archaic greek alphabets (epichoric) and were used in different places for D in one place and as for R in another!                                                        ———————————————————————-                                                                            Sign +++++ : Carian:”SE” ; Para-carian “N” ; carian “Y”

D D o o : carian S S o o or                                                                                                                   carian S b o o                                                                                                                                     NyS ; NySSoo ? Nys=”Son” (as in  DioNYSSS “god-birth>born/son”?)

YSSoo > Yssou ?                                                                                                                             From: issa * iessou – Yogi Ramsurat Kumar http://www.yogiramsuratkumar.info/GauraKrishna/ISSA.pdf                                                    ISSA – IESSOU prémisses de l’âge nouveau, de prendre conscience que les enseignements des grands instructeurs de l’humanité sont un et que ce sont les hommes qui en ont perverti le message originel, caché et tu la réalité et, par tels ou tels conciles, passé au tamis l’essence de l’enseignement de JESUSet érigé de …                              

Pourquoi il y a deux appelations de jésus en arabe ? sur le forum …http://www.jeuxvideo.com/…/42-3005597-54377556-1-0-1-0-pourquoi-i&#8230;                                         en arabe qurayshite (la langue du Coran) c’est Issa et dans les dialectes arabes des autres chrétiens c’était Yassou

The Princeton Encyclopedia of Classical Sites https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1400886589 Richard Stillwell, ‎William L. MacDonald, ‎Marian Holland McAllister –.. The situation is an important one, on the route from Pamphylia to Caria. … Issa founded the emporia Tragurion (Trogir) and Epetion (Stobreč) on the Illyrian mainland.               ————————————————————————————————- If we have:                             Se                                                                                                                                                          R R o o        then: “SeRRoo”.This SER is an ancient very important root: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ser-  


  1. to bind, to tie together
  2. thread            and in latin                                                                                                      Sermo, speech ; masc. Singular, Plural. N, ser’-mo ser-mo’-nes, G. ser-mo -nis, ser-mo’-num, D. ser-mo -ni, ser-mon’-l-buSy Ac. ser-mo’-nem, ser-mo^-nes, V. ser’-mo, ser-mo’-nes, Ab. ser-roo’-ne. ser-roon’-i-bus.



RoUp-Left2                                                                                                                                Left sign: para-carian “E                                                                                                                                     Right sign:carian “R”/”S”?        ES,Esu:”good,noble”?                                                                                            ER:”Earth/moove,get up?” (as in ERa,Hera);

From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/roots.aspx?type=Indo-European&root=es-                 es- To be. Oldest form *h1es-, zero-grade *h1s-.

From: Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans: A Reconstruction and …https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3110815036 Thomas V. Gamkrelidze, ‎Vjaceslav V. Ivanov  Roots of this structure include the ancient IndoEuropean verbal roots *es‘be’, *et’- ‘eat’, *ekho- ‘drink’, *eph- ‘take, grasp’, *er– ‘move, get up’, *ei’go’. An initial laryngeal for … The IndoEuropean word for ‘good’ is traditionally reconstructed as *esu– (Gk. eris ‘good, noble, ell- ‘good, noble’ in compounds; Hitt. a.t”s’u- ‘good’).

If both :HeRa,Heroa SERmon:”binding saying= spell”?

Fromhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/329769878_Underground_quarries_in_the_area_of_Agiades_Samos_Island_Greece_Notes_on_historical_topography_and_chronology/link/5c19ba64299bf12be38a2627/download                                                                                         In our view, the often combination of the letters HP is rather conspicuous; the monogram could stand for Hera or her sanctuary, as in some stamped Samian amphorae (see Grace, 1971, 93 nr.77).



Twoo upper-row signs: He and Re or I and D Downward sign, “L” ; so could have : HeRe (earth,earthen)(quite the same as upward) or HeRuL?  .Out of I-D-L :”I Do Lu/I Da Lu” :”statue,image”                                                                                                                        Anatolian *meyu- ‘4, four’ and its cognates – Journal of Language …http://www.jolr.ru/files/(18)jlr2009-2(65-78).pdf by A Kassian                                            Hitt. idalu– ‘evil’ ~ Luw. attuwal ‘evil’ (: Grk. ὀδύνη 

Tense and Aspect in Indo-European Languages: Theory, typology, diachrony https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027275971 John Hewson, ‎Vit Bubenik –                  (4) Denominative suffix -es in Hittite idalu “bad” idalaw-es “become bad” parkui “clean” parku-es “become clean” salli “big” sall-es “grow” mekki “plentiful” 

HERA thread/Sermon,Spell to overcome bad/evil ?                                                             Note that the first D=R has o stroke-like inside (i?) SeiRa/Gr.:”cord,thread” as we have threaded amulets,twoo in total with holes.

In fact we don’t know if D-signs are or could interpreted as D’s or R’s, (or the writer had knoledge of different interpretations),so we could have:

LEFT SIDE                                                              RIGHT SIDE                                                                            —————————————————————————————                                            HeD,HeDu,EDe!,ED                                                 DiDoo=DiDou                                                            Eat,kid-goad,sweet                                                 GIVE(us)!                                                                           ED/EDe! is meaning in the same time EAT! and KID-GOAT !(vocative)                  as tablet has the shape of a loaf of bread and depicted an kid-goat on pictographic tablet       or                                                         ——————————————                                                                                                         HERA,HEROa                                  SE RRoo SeRRoo    SEIRoo=Seirou                                                    HERO                                        Flowed(50years);sermon,binding spell “of SUN”                                                  ….as oldest supposed name for sun was SEIR, and oldest  attested association of Eta,Heta-Rho found on pot-sherds in Ras-Shamra,Thera and Sakkara whas thought to be MONOGRAM OF HERA or HEROS

HERA                                   of the SUN                                                                                            HERO     OF THE                   SUN

The oldest pair known was HERA wich name mean EARTH/LADY  and consort ZEUS as SUN.                                                                                                                                                       In Thracia mounted HEROS was thought as HORUS the child kind of precursors of Christ, saviors (gr.SOTER)                              ——————————–                                                                                                                              Note, SEIR=SUN=SIRIUS,OSIRIS (Egypt USIR).The other aspect of the Sun, under-ground travelling,so associated with the Earth and an Fertility-associated God.                              HEROS and OSIRIS were long-time vast areas SAVIORS!

So people,have confidence and have own Universal moral and physical orientation reference system

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