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Tartaria oblong tablet (with hole). Cretan hieroglyphic, Linear A,B approach /G!

December 1, 2018

 

Image from ESCRITURA DE TARTARIA HTTP://WWW.PROEL.ORG/INDEX.PHP?PAGINA=ALFABETOS/TARTARIA

We have folowing signs
– In upper most left side, those three “D/moon“-like signs.                                                         THESE SIGNS HAS NO EQUIVALENT IN AEGEAN WRITINGS (with one exception)
In linear B were used units of volume measurements, but by them de D-like signs were 90 deg.rotated, in horizontal pozition:

Due of the fact that in other two ancient places the same sign was used:                                   – in Sumer, sign GAR (read ninda) : “grain,food ratio/bread” and                                              – in Egypt, sign “T” :”loaf of bread” The “D” sign will mean “volume/ratio”,rather than month or year, “3 years”,                                                                                                                 the meaning will be:                                    “3(three) grain ratios” (rather than being sign for month, 3 month ”
Image from https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/are-mycenaean-linear-b-fractions-fractions-or-something-else.jpg?w=640

the sign for “month”/MENE in linear B (but D-mirror reversed!):

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flinearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F05%2Fgezer-almanac-left-and-translation-into-mycenaean-linear-b-right.jpg&h=ATPlRwdbps_9yy998OIGzzzfirMMmfrV28mSCBOpDH3tpgnBJIZdfg5BXHYZgkbqfR4AVVK3oXstu6RAUvp2xjt9P-6qPV9M2XA2TglS6tI_SCQOzG4&s=1

MEN, gen. MENOS :”MONTH”; My note: !Not Moon !
Mirror reversed:
“MONTH” https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/space-saving-linear-b-ideograms-and-logograms.jpg

“MINI” gr.MENE :”MOON”  https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/minoan-linear-words-mi-mu-of-possible-proto-greek-origin.jpg

THREE (GRAIN/CEREAL) VOLUMES/RATIOS          ====================================================================
Next to these signs, dawnward, sign  ->->-> :                                                                               SIGN IT IS IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS(Linear A)

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  John Jounger                                                   TE (“from“? NAME).  TE/TI, “from/of

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flinearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F08%2Fcomparison-of-cretan-te-with-symbol-for-wheat-or-barley-in-various-ancient-scripts.jpg&h=ATP6b5jmRTB-BDaz5Ti2hyLcKMM3AmA_tRCEtkujDsUbmRfigPVMRl0I3G6p91_vvlugkzc7_SGi_a8PtpXKjMMzm-ik51wDKmgjd2MoTvQibNoS-1c&s=1

Usually associated with agriculural products as
barley:https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/comparison-of-cretan-te-with-symbol-for-wheat-or-barley-in-various-ancient-scripts.jpg

In linear B https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/40/78/9540781c6c839aa87a385ac46823b990.jpg

9540781c6c839aa87a385ac46823b990

Linear A, John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  *04 (TE), common

Linear B, Cretan“TE” “Wheat
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRykURVevP7C91htJQXSWtUoIKlv_VE7Zk8RacOILleQApR07vw

So could be “3 months/volume measures of some sort of grain”(gr.sitos) ?
Note that this sign we have rather pertain to proto-writing. In linear B we have signs for specific kind of grains:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHPdQSYyE8qr4n115PLPH_UBTyeNB9XKrQDADDWG3bdzC2-UEQZQ

So, both signs (DDD and ->->->-)could be, or “3 -MONTHS/years-ONE MAN?-RATION” , but rather:                THREE WHEAT VOLUMES/RATIOS
—————————————————————————————————————                       Downward,in a kind of box, ” “-like sign,                                                                                  THE SIGN CANNOT BE FOUND IN EXACT SHAPE IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS                      (our sign has an off-set/branch/stroke pointing leftward !)

Table, from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

263ieroglyfikasite                                                                                           You see is absolutely ISOLATE /very strange/very rare
Normally must be interpreted with an isolate meaning,but wich could be the meaning? Branch,distress (divergent) !??

Cretan hieroglyphic sign DA ?                                                                                                            From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                                “DA-I = “total”?: HT 12.6 (Schoep 2002, 162); cf. DA-I-PI-TA, ZA 8.5. If DA– (as in DA-DU-MA-TA) indicates in some way a completed action (like a perfect of A-DU), could DA-I be a completed transaction *516 I+[?] “
In my opinion could be.And I ad taking all the risks and folowing rumors,interpreted from many words as DA-I :”a completed transaction”?)from accounting tablets even from sacred I-DA,
DA= this “give,given/IT IS” (excuse same as in german)firm as EARTH

——————————————-                                                                                                          Cretan hieroglyfic meaning DA/SA ??
Arkalochori – Αρκαλοχωρι
https://www.teicrete.gr/arkalochori/demeter.php
on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea”
Hieroglyphic sign Y yet not solved,in testing.

I-DA-MA-TE, DA-MA-TE, DEMETER
AKKO
It is now perhaps possible to ‘read’ I-DA-MA-TE on double axes from the Cave at Arkalochori as well as DA-MA-TE on a religious inscription from the peak-sanctuary above Kastri on Kythera.
The second part of the word -MA-TE is probably the Indo-European word for Mother, including the nomen agentis –TE. Mother is the most stable word in the Indo-European languages (excluding Hittite and Anatolian Languages) whereas the first part I-DA-/DA- could be interpreted as Mount Ida, just visible from the Arkalochori Cave, or perhaps DA/GA meaning Earth, i.e., Earth Mother, Dem.This would not be a surprise but it is interesting that it is on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea” according to Hesychios. It has also been suggested that Demeter be connected with *P.-I.-E. dms meaning house, (-inthos), thus she would be ‘Mistress of the House’ similar to ‘Lady of the Labyrinth’.eter.

I-DA-MA-TE                                                        NA-DA-TE  (Phaistos disc)                                         One must to choose between Da and Sa.                                                                                        It seems that cannot be DA because in linear A the sign has the “branch” toward right !      ————————————————————————

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  JOHN JOUNGER                                      SA (HT 114b.1) or SI (HT 30.1) = paid?                                                                                              ————————————————————————————————————-                                    Linear A,”SA”

Also could be linear B= “SA”

John Younger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/
*31, SA, perhaps a logogram for *SA-SA-ME?; cf. HT 23a.4-5 SA-SA-ME, and PH 16b.1, HT 97b (cf. Linear B sa-sa-ma)
http://www.ancientscripts.com/lineara.html
“Once again applying Linear B reading to the previous Linear A texts, we see the sign sequence ja-sa-sa-ra-me. This sequence is very interesting because it appears very often in many other such votive inscriptions in slightly different variants.

The shape of the sign is meaning  “diverging”, as someoane get to a crossroad in life !…the same as of the sumerian “BAD”, I will choose the reading:

SA :”completed, paid”                                                  ================================================
Next,downward,also “boxed”, folow a sign wich ressemble violin,labrys?/ 2 merged lozenges ?;                                                                                                                                           AS A WRITING SIGN, WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS
Could be interpreted as isolate,the evidence is that is separate in a box/compartment.

Cycladic Art and Art related to Cyclades Islands – Les Musées Barbier …

http://www.musee-barbier-mueller.org/spip.php?action…/art-des.

Note: the sign wich is repeated as the last sign on the tablet

It is similar (but turned upside-down) and our sign is not middle-devided!                                   with the sign from  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                        *403, chalice  (romanian:”potir”)
From https://linearbknossosmycenae.wordpress.com/tag/syllabic-scripts/page/19/?iframe=true&preview=true%2Ffeed%2F

From https://enijote.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/double-axes-and-the-limits-of-knowledge/

Not much to see.  But here’s its Linear A counterpart: https://enijote.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/la-a.png

The sine qua non is the interpretation of labyrinth as “Place of the Double Axes,
The Cretan Hieroglyphic evidence is even more explicit:

See https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464222674072955464/

They are saying that the sign is at the origin of “A”:

See https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464222674072955464/

Image https://linearbknossosmycenae.wordpress.com/tag/syllabic-scripts/page/19/?iframe=true&preview=true%2Ffeed%2F

Such cyclades-tipe statuettes were found in entire Cycladic area.But in astonishing great number were found in Keros island.All broken.No pair could be matched.Scholars say that these statuettes were used in burial rituals (as is  the case with Tartaria artefacts !)Keros Island was an center for a kind of unknown ritual.

My opinion about labrys-like sign is that upon the sign had an unknown yet meaning with deep in time origin.
As weird could be for you, I suppose that the origin is further in the East,possible proto-cuneiform=proto-sumerian signs like:

SZITA~a3     and     ZAG~c

http://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf                                  zag, zà: boundary, border, limit, side; cusp, beginning; territory, district, place; sanctuary; percentage; a measure for fish; shoulder; right (side); front; outside of (life + to encircle) [ZAG archaic frequency: 71; concatenates 3 sign variants].                                                                            https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign ZAG:

ZAGc

But much close, sign GA’ARb1 ;

      From https://is.muni.cz/www/408176/38744863/A_Descriptive_Grammar_of_Sumerian.pdf          The stem of the verb ĝar ‘place’, for instance, is usually written with a word sign, but the Ur III texts also contain dozens of attestations where it is written ĝá-ar (e.g., AUCT 1:552 7; D; 21).                                                                                                                                                   ————————————————————————————–                                                         Same  shape similarity was noticed by I.Kenanidis & E.Papakitsos.  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279940914_Additional_Palaeographic_Evidence_for_the_Relationship_of_the_Aegean_Scripts_to_the_Sumerian_Pictography

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They rather would pair the sumerian sign with the cretan hieroglyphic *175/”A”, adze/labrys. It is not “sumerian proto-cuneiform double-axe“, but it is proto-cuneiform sign GA’AR https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

GAARb1————————————

Table, from https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier_fig3_273096050                                                Sign * 175 ,meaning:??”

The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier

This is the labrys sign, and it is the sign associated with God. So close to his sumerian counterpart “AB” “house,temple”.

Very interesting AB and Ga’ar has similar shapes, but also similar meanings: AB:”house,temple” visa  ĝá-ar “place”

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/imUh0J9dqCTkfI-JtVZP6dtxqycaTOJklcXIXbltB742g1UeVrWu-70fO_8VHldrxlxPcw=s120

 

Imagini pentru sumerian "GA'AR"
IN OUR TABLET:                                                                                                                            1.MOTHER EARTH-GODDESS ICON?                                                                                    2.“the place/house ( ? labyrinthos of the Minotaur/Sun-God ?)”

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NEXT, MIDDLE COLUMN

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In upper part 2 little “V-like signs !? Maybe 1/2?
http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/Hiero/

“V”-sign: Cretan hieroglyphic “Te” Table, from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

263ieroglyfikasite

================Next,=============================================== SEPARATED !, an insect/miriapod-like sign,                           IN THIS EXACT SHAPE WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS, is found in more and less similar shape all over:

Overall apearance as umerian sign multiple superposed X-es“DINGIR”/God/sky
With not so many limbs,spikes
As a refference, Sumerian “AN”/God/sky
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGzbr1a5NBe7hywD1BcL8mbfvfJB7YOVL7ZrnTmJZevVbLcIOUTw

And sum. AN:”God,Heaven”https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmkD1S7pLtQ6Oj_gUMYBNg3gnnMIrZAuImmjhaMnqFSnZXp8PX

But much,much close,(if rotated 90deg)
(count the number of lines! totaly 12 in sumerian sign as in our)                                              ——————————————                                                                                                           From https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier_fig3_273096050                                                      SIGN 068 ,meaning :”??”

The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier

—————————————————————————————————                                        Close to Linear A “KE” http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                            *44 (KE), only in ligature

——————————————————————————————–                                                  Also, this sign *-like, close to this shape have Linear B
https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/minoan-linear-a-keyboard-assignments6201.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

“KE”? (2-nd in the first row)

Linear B “KE-MA”?

From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                 *44 (KE), only in ligature

http://www.namuseum.gr/collections/prehistorical/mycenian/mycenian13-en.html

A - | A+

螒委伪), Aifaia (>Aia), ethnic/place name.聽ai-wa-ta, 螒喂F维蟿伪蟼, Aifatas, personal name.聽ai-wo-ro/ a-wo-ro, 螒委F慰位慰蟼, Aivolos, personal/animal name (= ‘nibble’).聽ai-za, 伪委味伪 (>伪委纬伪),聽aiza聽(>aiga),聽goat.聽ai-za. Aizai (>Aigai ,place name)

The Linear B Decipherment Controversy Re-Examined
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0873950143
Saul Levin – 1964 – ‎Inscriptions, Linear B.
… close to the central city of Knosos nearly a thousand years earlier — yet the AI ~ A alternation gives an idea of what may have happened in the Linear B language to the nominative plural ending which Greek preserves as the diphthong -01. But whatever may be the merit of our subtle hypothesis to clarify the phenomena, ..                                    ——————————————————————————————————————————–
Next is a sign like an donkey-head                                                                                               THIS SIGN CAN BE FOUND IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS

There was something like this:        From Cats in the Aegean Scripts

https://crewsproject.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/cats-in-the-aegean-scripts/     Cretan used this shapes:I am coming back.No, the head is too big. It is an bucranium/bull-head (sumerians had a similar sign with donkey-like ears,AMAR and those ears maybe signify horns, because AMAR:”calf”)

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                        Hieroglyphic *012 , a bull-head, becomes Linear AB 23  MU,

… *23 (MU)/BOS = cattle. *23 appears by itself (HT, ZA, KH 5.6) and may be “ox” or possibly “cow,” although the sign lacks the split stem that Linear B 109b has. The masculine variant ( *23m, with stem crossed                                                                                MU:cattle/BULL”                                                                                                                                  —————————————————————————————————                                                Underneath, the 2-nd “Labrys“-like sign

IN THIS EXACT SHAPE THE SIGN WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS !

The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier

See *042 and *175, but our SIGN HAS NO HANDLE!

===============================================================                              So for entire tablet we could have:

3 measures/portions                                Mu/BULL
Of cereals, grain/wheat
SA            A/Labrys  GODdess   Ma
SA-RA                                                            LABRYS

A-SA- SA-RA-MA

Or better,overall reading,thought as an offering,

3 measures/portions                                       Bull(heavenly SUN)
Grain

It Is           Sacred (sign) GOD(dess) aMA       “sacred” icon

Both above signs, SUN’s ABODE        ================================================                                                                THE TABLET IS PRESENTING SOME SIGNS CLOSE TO AEGEAN-ONES,  BUT                         IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY PROPER AEGEAN WRITING !

Socoteala “sumeriana”, fazele Lunii in jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde ?

November 18, 2018

Socoteala “sumeriana”, fazele Lunii in jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde ?

Foarte multi cercetatori au avansat ipoteza ca scrisul tablitelor nu este sumerian autentic ci doar “de factura sumeriana”

Din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNB43AQzMI/AAAAAAAAACw/HlxviXs54cw/s320/NE.JPG

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DWritten Records.
1.Daca tablitele sant de inspiratie sumeriana, nu prea cred ca ar fi vorba de fazele lunii. Nu stiu din ce motiv, sumerienii nu au prea folosit in scris Luna ca si corp ceresc. Luna ca si corp ceresc era figurata in imagini ca si o secera in pozitia “tine apa”.Nu au avut termeni distictinti. Foloseau pentru Luna calendaristica/month si pentru Luna corp ceresc/Moon (Id,Idi,ITI/SuEN,Sin), semnul pentru soare, pe care aplicau numarul de 30 de zile.

tat5b                                                                                                                         Sau in scris ma simplu, (banuiesc ca pentru luna calendaristica/month) doar semnul “30”: https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf
1230D <<< U+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU3 | SIN = moon

See “30” https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/metal-print/7.125/10.000/break/images-medium-5/sumerian-number-system-science-source.jpg

sumerian-number-system-science-source1

Nu au folosit deloc forma de literei D.Cat priveste “fazele lunii” singura aparitie de care stiu este o inscrptie din paleolitic din Europa (18.000 B.C.!).Asa ca strict d.p.d.v. al fazelor lunii aceste faze puteau sa fie figurate pe o intindere in timp (vechime) de multe mii de ani, pana inspre zilele noastre.Inafara de durata egala a ciclului Lunii cu cel menstrual, se pare ca cunostinte legate de fertilitate in cadrul ciclului menstrual (asa cum maimulti cercetatori au speculat) apar doar cu putin timp inaintea erei noastre.

2.Daca tablitele sant de influenta sumeriana, se pare ca nu ar prezenta nici numere

Ex.1 (socoteala proto-elamita):

Din http://chalaux.org/nmpduk01.htm
http://chalaux.org/nw2/imagenes/600px_Numbers_and_measures_-_09_Grain-ration_record_from_proto-elamite_Susa.jpg

600px_numbers_and_measures_-_09_grain-ration_record_from_proto-elamite_susa

GRAIN-RATION RECORD FROM PROTO-ELAMITE SUSA is read from right to left. The text begins with a «hairy triangle», thought to be the issuing authority. Next is a «plow» sign that is probably a field worker. The number signs that follow continue at the right of the bottom line: 1 X 60 + 3 X 10 + 3. Next is a sign like a sheaf of grain; it means barley. Last is a capacity number: 6 X 6 C + 1 C + 1 m. The sense is that 93 workers receive two minor units each (Source: Alan D. Iselin).
Noi avem la Tartaria semnul SUR (primul D) si ? posibil imitatii de numere sumeriene ?:(citire de la dreapta la stanga):semnele 00: (2×6=12C)unitati de capacitate
+ semnulD:D(“1 masura” m)
“12c+1m (12 unitati capacitate+1 masura ?”)                                                                            Ex.2 Sumerian:
Imagine,  https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoEHV85C7yQBnL-K1v51vOx3TH7qxRGH3-h3-P1aN0q_3z_pSgbA    sau

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Retineti ca sumerienii puneau unitatile mari in stanga apoi descrescator spre dreapta; citirea o faceau de la stg. La dreapta
Asa avem si noi pe tablita :
Semnul SUR (primul D)si un numar Doo.
SUR https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/SUR.jpg  ???

sur

(D-urile sant mai mari ca 0-urile! Deci D-ul este “60” si nu “1” iar o-urile nu sant mari,O=”3600” ci mici o=”10”:

Din A New Edition of the Proto-Elamite
Text MDP 17, 112 Laura F. Hawkins  https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2015/cdlj2015_001.html https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2015/cdlj2015_001_fig/figure2.jpg

Print

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Figure 3.3: Relations between length measures on proto-cuneiform tablets

(1 nindan = 6 meters The basis of the system was the nindan, with a size of approximately six meters,)
SUR D(60) si oo (10 10)
? Sur 60 + 20 = sur 80 ?

Daca am fi avut numai numere, am fi avut:
D D o o = 1,1 10,10= 2 ,2o. dublul lui 20; 29×2 = 40
Automated joining of cuneiform tablet fragments – PURE – University of …
pure-oai.bham.ac.uk/ws/files/18271046/NABU_2014_4_DEF.pdf
….. und nimin „40“, was offensichtlich aus *niš-min „2 mal die 20

Daca am scrie denumirea cifrelor http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numerals.html:

MIN(2) Nis/ni(20) =NIMIN(40)…….iar ne lovim de sorok =40……..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirara SIRARA6) was a temple complex in Lagash – it may also (or instead) have been a city as mentioned in The Royal Chronicle of Lagaš.[1] It has been suggested that the city-state known as Sirara was also called Nina or Nimin which was probably a seaport.[2]
Daca tablitele sant de inspiratie sumeriana, nu prea cred ca ar fi vorba nici de fazele lunii.

https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf
1230D <<< U+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU3 | SIN = moon See “30”https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/metal-print/7.125/10.000/break/images-medium-5/sumerian-number-system-science-source.jpg Daca nu avem numai cifre, am inlocui cifrele cu denumirea lor. Am avea Sur giš/geš niš ?? 3.Atunci sa analizam semnele +++++ Dv D o o Semnele sumeriene sant: AS SUR Dis 2x LAGAB

Din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html ASZ2 https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/ASZ2.jpg

asz2

As:”unu , unul” Appendix:Sumerian Swadesh list – Wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Sumerian_Swadesh_list 22, one, aš. 23, two, mina. introduction to sumerian grammar – ANE Languages.COM

Din http://www.anelanguages.com/SumerianGrammarFoxvog.pdf by DA FOXVOG – subject among other scholars specializing in Sumerian grammar. …… values such as sumun/sun “old,” súmun/ sún “wild cow,” sumur/súrangry“,

Din https://cdli.ucla.edu/methods/sign_name.html Preferred Reading Sign Name Meaning sur SUR v. to divide, to press, to brew 4 Sumerian Phonology s155239215.onlinehome.us/…/42TurkicAndSumer/HamoriFSumerianPhonetics&soun… The basic pronunciation of the sounds of the Sumerian language, that is it’s “phonemes” and the key sound changes it ….. *śurwe > sar ~ šur=to stabb, pierce, insert;

V16.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …
https://books.google.ro › books Maximillien De Lafayette ·
Šúr: Sumerian. Adjective. a-Aggressive. b- Violent. c-Enraged. Súr: Sumerian. Adjective. a-Determined. b-Self-assured. Šur: Sumerian.…

the unity of hamito-semitic and sumerian language families 1 – Academia.edu
http://www.academia.edu › THE_UNITY_OF_…
204 3.5.1.15 Sumerian šur, sur “ to rain, to flow” 204 3.5.1.16 Sumerian
As-Sur:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assur#Name Aššur is the name of the city, of the land ruled by the city, and of its tutelary deity from which the natives take their name, as did the entire nation of Assyria

Nu este Dis:”unu” pentru ca cifrele in general erau facute prin imprimare.

 

Urma lasata pe lut pentru numarul 1/(“dis”) cam asa arata la sumerieni:


Dis:”unu”

Semnul GAR, din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

GAR

Semnul gar in proto-cuneiform nu era imprimat ci zgariat si arata putin diferit: Din Historical Epistemology …  semanticscholar.org

46493062_2205974336390466_3314040140468322304_n

Doua semne Lagab=Nigin “intreg” engl.whole

reading sumerian names, ii: gilgameš – …
https://www.jstor.org › jcunestud.64.0003
by G Rubio · 2012 · Cited by 11 · Related articles
in Sumerian and Gilgameš in Akkadian. ….. LAGAB.LAGAB = nigin (niŋin) = nin3 in Ea 1: 46–47a (MSL 14, 178) and

Unicode Cuneiform Fonts – HPM Hethitologie-Portal Mainz
https://www.hethport.uni-wuerzburg.de › …
For Old Babylonian and Neo-Assyrian sign NIGIN (MeZL, n° 804) = LAGAB-LAGAB ( U121B8+ U121B8), we get

Chapter II – Springer Link
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interpreted as a contracted LAGAB.LAGAB. In all four … LAGAB.LAGAB – as nigin, “to make surround”, which gives some sense. In the

Nigin tellsurghul.org/Nigin.html
The ancient settlement of Nigin was part, with the cities of Girsu and Lagash,

The Vocabulary of Sumerian – jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/592549
by JD Prince
etymological study of the Sumerian word-list is attended by. ‘ Die Entstehung des …… ‘canal,’ lit. ‘collection (nigin) of waters’ (Br. 11676). I The Babylonian .

V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229934
Maximillien De Lafayette . Nigin: Sumerian. Noun. The whole amount. Nigin: Sumerian. 61.

Encyclopedia of Cosmology (Routledge Revivals): Historical, …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=131767765X
Norriss S. Hetherington
In this compound term, the Sumerian element “NIGIN” corresponds to the meaning”to move in circle” or “to encircle,” hence the semantic force of the whole encompassed by heaven and …

Nigin ;”intreg,tot”

+++++ AS
=
Dv D o o SUR Dis/Gar Nigin

Unul
Curge un intreg / ? o colectare/intreaga ploaie/rau

              !                 Unul(zeitatea!)

                      Ploaie       paiine      tot                 !

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In sfertul din stanga al tabletei:
Din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html                           https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNBh8jnEpI/AAAAAAAAACo/C-ofWx7wKQs/s320/NWgrid.JPG

nwgrid

H D = Ku/Gu Gar?/Dis?

1.Ku Gar= ku ninda  (semnul gar se citeste ninda:”cereale,paiine“)

Ninda-ku:”mananca paine

2.Gad (deity) | Revolvy https://www.revolvy.com/page/Gad-%28deity%29
The English word god continues the Old English god (guþ, gudis in Gothic, guð in Old ..

2.Ku:”pur, sacru” ; dis;”unu”

“Unu,Cel Sacru”                                                                                                                                     ——————————————————————————————————-

  1. 2018

Doua sau trei sisteme de scriere permit citirea celor 3 tablite pentru ca cuprind aproape toate semnele prezente pe tablite. Este vorba despre scrierile sumeriana,cea cretana si cariana. Singura scriere care cuprinde cele mai multe semne este cea sumeriana. In incercarile de citire am abordat cu egala deschidere fiecare scriere.Pacatul este ca daca prima nu mai prezinta multe necunoscute, in a doua se fac progrese in schimb nu prea exista specialisti pentru scrierea si limba cariana. Eu stiu ca exista doar unul in lume in varf, ADIEGO.

Cu toate ca am incercat sa fac citiri folosind sxrierea proto-cuneiforma sumeriana, inca am unele intrebari si nemultumiri.

– Daca cateva semne nu sant identice cu proto-cuneiformele (ex “D”), au fost imitate? Cine si cum le-a imitat ?.

– Daca au fost niste migranti din Orient, se pare ca au fost familii care nu s-au integrat complet in populatia locala.Banuiesc ca este vorba de meseriasi in prelucrarea metalelor proveniti di aria Gutium-Siria.

-Daca ar fi reale citirile acestea ultime, cum puteau sa faca referire la ei ca fiind peregrini? Singura explicatie ar fi ca gutii, mai putin avansati cultural au folosit termenii existenti in acel timp pentru ei !?

Motto:

“During my years of research, I observed that most scientists tend to “fall in love” with their own theories: and that is where trouble starts. After all, you should be critical with your own results, even more so than with the results of others. Only so can you ensure the quality of research you provide.”(ANDRAS ZEKE/Hu http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2012/

 ……asta inseamna ca revin.Inafara de o posibila citire cu zeitate ploaie “paiine”,” tot”,

va propun:

A.

Sumerian / English doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm

As-Hur/All-seeing-one          AS-SUR”all seeing-one:/ONE WARRIOR

               AS

SUR   DIL/DIS   NIGIN

B

AS

SUR      DIL/DIS    NIGIN

UN

RAZBOINIC  UN   CALATOR/da roata                 !vedeti pe tablita cei doi “UN,unu” sant legati !!

V16.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …
https://books.google.ro › books Maximillien De Lafayette ·
Šúr: Sumerian. Adjective. a-Aggressive. b- Violent. c-Enraged. Súr: Sumerian. Adjective. a-Determined. b-Self-assured. Šur: Sumerian.…

 Sumerian / English doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm           Warrior/Sur

niĝin [ENCIRCLE]. niĝin [TOTAL].

The Class Reunion—An Annotated Translation and Commentary on the …https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9004302107

  1. Cale Johnson, ‎Markham J. Geller… see tashiru sahharu (see sahhiru) turning (Kou 50) sahhirat āli = Sum. uru nigin roaming around the city’ 251 sahhirat duri = Sum. bad nigin roamingaround…

Sumerian Lexicon | Linguistic Typology | Linguistics – Scribdhttps://www.scribd.com/document/119559302/Sumerian-Lexicon   gur 4-gur 4) [NIGINarchaic frequency: 11]. to surround. to halt. concatenation …Sumerian /

English doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm                                                … Nigin/Wander/(to) Nig-Inim-Bala/Interpretation

 to wander {vb} https://en.bab.la/dictionary/english-romanian/wander  RO                           ahoinări                                                                                                                                                 a cutreiera                                                                                                                                               a vântura                                                                                                                                              a umbla                                                                                                                                                 a străbate                                                                                                                                             a pluti                                                                                                                                                     a ocoli                                                                                                                                                    a călători

Nigin “a calatori in jurul, a inconjura, a da tarcoale, a se vantura, a cutreiera, a hoinari

C.

2: MAN ; 20:NIS

Some Reflections on Numerals in Sumerian towards a History of … – jstor https://www.jstor.org/stable/601861 by IM Diakonoff

THE SUMERIAN NUMERALS HAVE MORE THAN ONCE since Samuel …. number of Middle Indian and Middle and Neo-Iranian … (a) without a suffix, as, e.g., I – /as/, 2 – /man,min/,.

MAN NIS> ?MANIS?

  1. M. Murdock, Acharya S · 2014 · Religion Stele from MesopotamiaUr-Nammuwas the builder of the Great Ziggurat at Ur, the best … Ur-Nammu Menes/Manes, Manis and Mannus

D.

Apoi DD oo = MIN NIS > ? MINIS ?

2(doi): “MIN”   20(douazeci):”NIS”

Neo Babylonian Sign Lists [CDLI Wiki] cdli.ox.ac.uk › wiki › doku › id=neo_ba… Mar 16, 2016 · Neo Babylonian Sign Lists. Work in progress. Filter: ….. Labat 471 / Borger 708, man, niš, ešra = 20.

2;20 = MIN NIS> MINIS

 Mini (popolo) – WikiVividly
https://wikivividly.com › lang-it › wiki
Secondo la mitologia greca, i Mini – agg. minio, minia, minie, minii – (in greco Μινύες, ….. The adjective indigenous is derived from the Latin word indigena, which is based on the

 MINIS, Μινύες,. minoans !??                                                                                                              ————————————————————————–

In stanga, semnele Ku GAR= ku ninda= ninda ku Ninda-ku:”mananca paine”
PDF] old akkadian writing and grammar – Oriental Institute – University of …  https://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/mad2.pdf

Aug 6, 2010 … NINDA KU “they eat bread” (= Sumerian ninda {-ku -e; cf. also the .

………CE PARERE AVETI ?

“On the quasy-sumerian tablets from Tartaria”,autor A.A.Vaiman,with my comments.

August 26, 2018

First of all, one of the most autoritative persons in archaeology, MASSON in his turn is considering Mr. A.A.Vaiman at the highest level in the field of proto-cuneiform writing:

В.М. Массон. Взаимодействие культур и культурная интеграция

V. M. Masson. Interaction of cultures and cultural integration http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/annotations-of-issues/arheologicheskie-vesti.-spb-1994.-vyp.-3.-annotacii

“An appreciable shift occurred in the early agricultural period, when societies which had attained similar levels of cultural and intellectual development displayed considerable receptivity to integrational processes. Yet here as well the “rejection” is evident. If the decoding of the famous tablets from the early agricultural site of Tartaria, Romania, proposed by A. A. Weiman, one of the world’s most authoritative experts in Proto-Sumerian texts (see this issue), is correct, a highly peculiar picture emerges. In the depth of the early agricultural Balkan area with its remarkable achievements in the artistic and intellectual domains a stable complex is found which is related to the temple structures of the Sumerian civilization. No matter whether the kulturtrager from Uruk had actually built their temple somewhere in the vicinity or whether we have before us a unique case of import having no pragmatic value, it is absolutely clear that these hallmarks of urban civilization had in no way been integrated into the system of early agricultural communities, which, in my opinion, had achieved the initial stage of the early complex society. Numerous and diverse signs found on the artefacts from the early agricultural Balkan sites are doubtless related to some symbolic and magic system, but do not represent a system of writing, which is a phenomenon different, in quality. So the Proto-Sumerian prototype did not in any way affect the local society, which was probably content with the available systems of storage and transmission of information (probably the oral and the artistic ones).”

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, how it is possible that one of the most autoritative expert wich I expected to be a master over  Proto-Sumerian texts (A.A.Vaiman) is hesitating and not identify correct some signs (an preffer not to make comments on interpreting other some of them)                                                                                                                                     E.g.:                                                                                                                                                      “The abundance of numerals on the tablets indicates that the latter were economical documents. The meaning of the numerals and of some other signs may be quite safely established by the meaning of their Sumerian prototypes. A certain degree of caution, however, is required since the borrowed signs could have some shades of meanings or even new meanings which were not inherent in their prototypes.”                                             Note                                                                                                                                                           I will be more cautious. E.g.,the sign “D” would be number 1 or number 60 (when depicted big is 60) so could mean 1, or Dis/Dil wich is the word for “one” and could mean “one(god)” also is close in shape with the sign GAR wich mean “grain-portion/bread

My blogspot.com coments are here:

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А.А. Вайман. О квазишумерских табличках Тэртэрии

  1. A. Vaiman.On the Quasi-Sumerian tablets from Tartaria

In 1963 N.VIassa published a paper with a description of three baked clay tablets which were found during his excavations in Tàrtâria, Transylvania, Roumania (figs.1-3). On one of them (fig.l) https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT645MJ7vWg1XAIxdCQWXcqkA6u9XKPlWFGlvxmYWd2Nq0ik_6vVg

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a tree is depicted with two animals standing on its sides. The researcher compared this representation with the impression of a Sumerian seal. Two other tablets (figs.2,3) carry signs, many of which, according to Vlassa, are either identical with, or very similar to, those inscribed on the tablets from Uruk IV (early Proto-Sumerian script).

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The sensational find has gained a wide publicity. The most significant paper that has appeared so far is that by А.Falkenstein who has basically supported Vlassa’s conclusions. Falkenstein has compared the Tàrtâria tablets with those from layer III in Uruk and Jemdet-nasr (late proto-Sumerian script) using a number of criteria, such as clay, format, stylus, structure of the text, signs. He has proved beyond doubt that the script of the Tàrtâria tablets had been directly influenced by the proto-Sumerian script. At the same time, the tablets have not been studied in sufficient detail yet.

The present article is yet another attempt at studying the Tartaria tablets. It offers more accurate tracings of certain signs; also, a new attempt is made to identify the Tartaria signs with both early and late versions of the proto-Sumerian ones (see our list on fig.4); some characteristics of the Tartaria script are discussed, providing a possibility to assess the degree of their independence with respect to the proto-Sumerian script; a tentative interpretation is suggested for both the separate records and the texts in general.

 A.A.Vaiman’s table, from http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/arheologicheskie-vesti/AV_03.pdf

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First and foremost, according to published photographs, the copies of the tablets need to be corrected. The most important corrections are as follows. Tablet 2: 11, sign No.9 (fig.4): the cuneiform oblique dash (fig.2) is not shown. Tablet 2: V, sign No. 10 (fig.4): the middle horizontal incision (fig.3) is not shown; III and IV: the dividing incisions (fig.3) are not shown. It appears that the published copies have been made from the photographs rather than from the tablets themselves.

We have already mentioned that three of the Tartaria signs (Nos.9, 10, and 16) have been incorrectly identified by Falkenstein.

In sign No.9, the oblique dash has not been taken into account, and its presence makes it impossible to identify this sign with the proto-Sumerian sign No.260 (Falkenstein, 1936). Rather, it should be identified with the proto-Sumerian sign No.214 (Falkenstein, 1936).

Sign No. 10 has been identified with the proto-Sumerian sign No.810 (or 543, see Falkenstein, 1936); however, the latter has two vertical lines inside, which are absent in the Tartaria sign. The identification given in our list is self-evident.

Sign No. 16, for no apparent reason, has been identified with the proto-Sumerian sign No.753 (Falkenstein, 1936), although, judging by the context, it should doubtless be identified with the proto-Sumerian number No.905 (Falkenstein, 1936).

As to sign No.l, in the published copy of tablet 2 (fig.2) it looks like two angles (see I 2, fig.4). The horizontal line is admittedly vague; yet its traces are evident in the photograph, which indicates that this sign should be identified with the similar sign of tablet 3, I 1 (fig.4).

Altogether, sixteen of the eighteen Tartaria signs have been identified with the proto-Sumerian ones. Perhaps in the future it will be possible to find proto-Sumerian prototypes for the two remaining signs as well.

Because signs Nos.2, 4, 6, and 10 of the Tartaria tablets (fig.4) have only early proto-Sumerian parallels, it may be assumed that other Tartaria signs, too, were borrowed from the early, rather than from the late, proto-Sumerian script.

It has already been mentioned that not just the signs (possibly all of them) were borrowed, but other things as well, including the material for writing, the rectangular or round shape of the tablets (the latter occurs, although rarely, in layer IV of Uruk), the manner in which the text is divided into parts by means of vertical and horizontal incisions, and the technique of writing. However, the borrowed elements are transformed in such a way that one should speak of an independent Tartarian script rather than of a Tartarian version of the proto-Sumerian script. First and foremost, people who created this script, in contrast to the Sumerians, used only knife-shaped styluses.

The Tartarian script differs from the proto-Sumerian one also in the construction of the texts. Each of the two texts is divided into columns by a vertical incision, and each column is divided into lines by horizontal incisions (table 3, V, provides an exception, see fig.3). In each collumn, the first line from the top contains a number and what is probably the name of the thing counted, while the second line is composed of one to three signs which are not numbers (see tablet 3, I, fig.3, for an exception) and which explicate the numeric record of the top line. As it has been stated above, such a construction is not possible for the proto-Sumerian texts, in which just one line would suffice. Horizontal incisions on Tartaria tablets are situated directly under the signs of the top lines, which is never the case on the proto-Sumerian tablets.

Signs on the Tartaria tablets are arranged so that they fill up all the available space, creating an impression of a completed text. It is especially evident on table 3 (fig.3), where the signs of the top lines are situated quite close to the upper margin, while the signs of the bottom lines come close to the lower margin; as a result, free space is left above the signs in columns II, III, and IV. Such an arrangement of signs is not observed in proto-Sumerian texts.

Certain important differences between the Tartarian script and the proto-Sumerian one are related to the orientation of various elements. Nearly a half of Tartarian signs (Nos.l, 2, 3, 7, 9, 15, 16, 18) are rotated 90 degrees anticlockwise relative to their Sumerian prototypes (fig.4). Admittedly, such rotation occurs also in the early proto-Sumerian script, but these cases are exceptional.

While in proto-Sumerian texts the higher-order digits are placed above the lower-order ones, making up a column, in tablet 2, II 1, of Tartaria (fig.2) higher-order digits are situated to the left of the lower-order ones, making up a line. It would be natural to suppose that such a line was read from the left to the right. It is quite likely that all signs written in a line on the Tartaria tablets were read in a left-to-right fashion (see tablet 2: I 1,2; И 1,2, see fig.2); but being arranged vertically, they were read from top to bottom (tablet 2: I 2, II 1,2, see fig.2; tablet 3: V, sec fig.3). The columns were probably read in the same way as the digits in a line, from left to right. It should be reiterated that in proto-Sumerian texts signs within lines, except digits, are scattered in an apparently random order, while the adjacent columns are read from the right to the left.

Finally, in contrast to what is seen in proto-Sumerian texts, numerical designations in Tartaria tablets do not always precede the non-numerical ones. Thus, in line I i of tablet 2 (fig.2) the numerical symbol is placed to the right of the non-numerical sign, while in line II 1 of the same tablet it is situated below, so in both instances the non-numerical sign precedes the numerical one. Taking into consideration the proto-Sumerian parallels, non-numerical signs in these lines may be interpreted as designations of the things that were counted. All the above brings us to the conclusion that in the language of the Tartarian tablets the names of the things counted apparently precede the respective numerals, or, more generally, the names of the defined things precede the definitions.

The abundance of numerals on the tablets indicates that the latter were economical documents. The meaning of the numerals and of some other signs may be quite safely established by the meaning of their Sumerian prototypes. A certain degree of caution, however, is required since the borrowed signs could have some shades of meanings or even new meanings which were not inherent in their prototypes.

Tablet 2 (fig.2). I 1. Sign No.9 (fig.4) may denote an agricultural worker.                     A.A.Vaiman’s table from http://www.archeo.ru/izdaniya-1/archaeological-news/arheologicheskie-vesti/AV_03.pdf

Dlr0EirU0AEfo7cSign No. 15 (fig.4) is a numeral (originally sixty; however, after having been borrowed. it could acquire the meaning of the respective key numeral in the decimal system, one hundred).

I 2. The two upper signs, Nos.3 and 1 (fig.4) may mean (left to right) “given” (“distributed”) and “barley”, respectively, and sign No.7 (fig.4) below it, “supervisor”.

II 1. The upper sign, No.2 (fig.4) means “goat” or “sheep” (one specimen). Below it, there is a row of numerals: 600, 60, 10, 10, the total amount being 680 (or 1000, 100, 10, 10, totalling 1120). All together may signify 680 (or 1120) head of goats (or sheep).

II 2. The central sign in the line is No.5 (the meaning of the respective proto-Sumerian sign is not known), and to the right of it, two signs, No.ll, “sun”, “daytime”, “white”, and No.8, “sanctuary”. The combination of the two latter signs may be read as LARSA, the name of the Sumerian town.

So the inscription on tablet 2 may be tentatively read as follows: 11,2 Sixty (or one hundred) agricultural workers, BA.SE, supervisor.

II 1, 2 Six hundred and eighty (or 1120) head of goats (or sheep).

SA (name?), LARSA (?)

Tablet 3 (fig.3). On this tablet, numerals are present only in the middle three columns, II, III, and IV. I 1. Sign No.l (fig.4): “barley” (or, more generally, “grain”). I 2. Sign No. 13 (fig.4) cannot be identified with any proto-Sumerian prototype. II 1. Sign No.18 (fig.4), “one”, repeated five times and thus meaning “five”. II 2. Sign No.10 (fig.4). This sign is identified with an early proto-Sumerian sign, which, however, has not been identified with any sign in the later script. It appears likely that columns I and II should be viewed together: I 1, “grain”, I 2, a cubic measure; II 1, “five”; II 2, a name or a position of a person.

III 1, 2, and IV, 1, 2. The two top lines in both columns contain the same sign, No.12 (fig.4). Apparently, in early proto-Sumerian texts the respective sign already denoted a cubic measure, SILA, probably that of oil. In the Tartaria tablet, this sign, judging by the context, also stands for a cubic measure of some product. The bottom lines of the columns contain signs Nos.4 (its meaning is unknown) and 6, “calf”. Like the sign in the bottom line II, these signs probably signify a person’s name or position.

  1. The column is not divided into lines, and does not contain numerals. There are two (or three?) signs,Nos. 14 and 10(fig.4), the latter one being the same as that which occurs in line II 2. These signs evidently summarize the contents of all the preceding columns. Thus labtet 3 admits of the following interpretation:

I 1, 2 Of grain… (an unknown measure). II 1, 2 Five (to such-and such). HI 1, 2 One SILA (cubic measure),… (to such-and-such). IV 1, 2 One SILA (cubic measure),… (to such-and-such). V … No other clay tablets with inscriptions have so far been discovered in Tartaria, and the distribution area of this script is not known. The specimens described were found not in archives, but in a pit, which the excavator believed to be ritual. Before having been placed in the pit, the tablets probably served as amulets. This would explain the presence of holes in two of the specimens (figs.2 and 3). Apparently, strings were passed through these holes to suspend the tablets.

So the tablets described attest to the existence in Tartaria of an original script based on prolo-Sumerian prototypes. The belief that this script was invented prior to the proto-Sumerian one and influenced it, is totally unfounded.

Because the Tartaria signs derive from early proto-Sumerian ones present on tabiets from Uruk layer IV, the Tartaria script apparently emerged in the last quarter of the 4th Millennium ВС. Nothing definite can be said as to where it was invented, but this hardly happened in Transylvania. More likely, its homeland was an area closer to Iraq. Functionally, the tablets were obviously economical documents.

MY COMENTS: 

  1. Related to pure pictographic tablet,

“On one of them (fig.l) a tree is depicted with two animals standing on its sides.”

Corrected:”vegetal motif,possible ear grain or tree”                                                           Corrected: two goats                                                                                                                       Not slightest mention of the “ghost-like” silhuette

! Autor not mention a possible relation of this tablet with the other twoo !!

  1. Related to the other twoo tablets,Dlr0EirU0AEfo7c

First, based on suposition that there are written there numbers and from this that it is about an economical/accounting tablet, partly could be correct, but the author not extract the ultimate possible meanings from the signs inscribed, nor realised that on the tablets there are long deep in time of paramount importance religion-related icons.

So I sugest, or even stressing that the tablets possible are not limited to an strictly economical aspect, but could be related to an religious (offering) ritual !

So, the reading and interpretation of the tablets are quite rude “on the surface” if one don’t mind.

I don’t know how to find,post and ad my comments on the fig.4 figure (table), so with my great excuses and apologise,

I underlined with red the statements and findings with wich I not agree or consider inacurate or even wrong.

With orange those wich I am not sure if correct , or posibility to be corect or not.

With blue, agreement

I aded the last column with my adnotations (rom.”NU” is NO!)

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—————–  REVIEW OF fig. 4/ (table) VAIMAN’S SIGNS INTERPRETATION  ——————— NOTE                                                                                                                                                       WHEN ONE SIGN IS CORRECT IDENTIFIED (+) BUT NOT INTERPRETED (-), I WILL CONSIDER THAT THE READING IS NOT DONE,(no gain,no advance); CAUSE                        A READING IS SUPPOSING TO GRASP THE MESSAGE FROM SIGNS TO MEANING.

SIGN No/tablet No,          his interpretation             my interpretation                        yes/no

1/2,3                            >->->        Se                                Se,barley,grain                            YES                              

2/2                                     maS(sal)                            ASZ(As) barley,grain                    NO

3/2       Ba; sign found.not interpreted     share,portion, wages,give,distribute        +/      

4/3      not corectly found (sign name!?)& not interpreted    “sky-god.Sun-God”      NO                

5/2                                     Sa (not interpreted)        SZA,Sa “dry up“;?cord,string?       +/

6/3                       amar  not interpreted                      “calf,bull God,Sun-God”               +/  

7/2                                 pa supervisor                         pa2/nigin “gift given                     YES           

8/2                                         ab not interpreted                            “temple,shrine”             +/ –         

9/2                                         apin                        Ku base,found,build/pure,noble/eat   NO !     

10/3                      not interpreted                            Ab    temple,shrine  yes             say YES       

11/2                            ud ; yes, not interpreted                   sun/samas                                  +/

12/3                     sila not correct identified              sum.sign bad,pap (signif.””bad”)   NO      

14/3                   not identified                                      Bull ?Hi/lagab-bar-bar?                   NO

15                              geS                                        could be dis/dil “1” or ges:”60”                YES 

16                        “D”     gesxu                                 same sign ?60×2=120 or 2×1=2 ?      (.. YES )

17/2                                 not identified                                       sum. u :”10″ 2x10=20              NO

18/3                                sign                                                      one (1)                                    YES  

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sign “>>”                  not identified                                      RU:”gift,present,give,send”         NO

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

TOTAL “BLUE” (correct)             ~ 6

TOTAL “RED” (WRONG)             ~ 7

!! The autor no take in account long-time of paramount importance of sumerian and minoan icons related to their religion and rituals. (AN, Bull(sun-God,Labrys,etc.)  !!

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,Upper half,astonishing findings.

April 2, 2018

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET, UPPER HALF,ASTONISHING FINDINGS

TartRound

From https://cogniarchae.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/tablet.jpg?w=300&resize=559%2C372

Archeologists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini and others) after detailed analysis of on-field conditions and circumstances along with the artefacts found close-by advanced as possible story or scenario that is one of the folowings :
– an death/burial or hero/ancestor worshipping ritual
– an foundation ritual
– an usual/common religious,propitiating ritual for some God(s) performed by the Lady Tartaria=priestess when alive.
See at the finish of my paper excerpts from different related studies.
See the left quarter,

Firs sign is (see folowing image,…Nu,6,3-rd)?
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Also,see https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cretan-tablet-malia-palace-map-hi-021.jpg

in linear A the sign “NU” http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/S_qxpdDgI3I/AAAAAAAAAbA/QcXKTDMye5A/s160 Image from https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/wheat/

0/Linear-A-base.jpg  

 

If linear A “NU” is like folowing,

PDF https://azargoshnasp.net › sumd › sumeri…
by JA Halloran
B. Alster, Proverbs of Ancient Sumer: The World’s Earliest Proverb Collections, 2 vols; …… nud, nú: to lie down; to lie together with ( with -da-); to lay down (with -ni-); to sleep; to …

Linear A,”PA2=PAi”?

Folowing sign has the shape of D or P.But that letter “D,De.Di”was not invented yet!
So we take the sign as MOON/MONTH, with the reading MINI,MINU gr.MENE/MENO
So NU-MENO.Here it is appearing the word “NUMENO/NUMENO”
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor of another greek-one)

I renounce to take the sign as linear A “NU”.Just in case,as a kind of testing:

So: NU + Moon sign (MENE/MENO?)
What NUMENO stand for? So NU-MENO.This is the little known lat.NUMEN
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor ov another greek-one)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numen#Definition_as_a_pre-animistic_phase_of_religion
Numen, pl. numina, is a Latin term for “divinity”, or a “divine presence”, “divine will.” The Latin authors defined it as follows.[1] Cicero writes of a “divine mind” (divina mens), a god “wh
Etymology
Etymologically, the word means “a nod of the head”, here referring to a deity as it were “nodding”, or making its will or its presence known). According to H. J. Rose:
The literal meaning is simply “a nod”, or more accurately, for it is a passive formation, “that which is produced by nodding”, just as flamen is “that which is produced by blowing”, i.e., a gust of wind. It came to mean “the product or expression of power” — not, be it noted, power itself.[8]
Thus, numen (divinity) is not personified (although it can be a personal attribute) and should be distinguished from deus (god).[9]
Definition as a pre-animistic phase of religion
The expression Numen inest appears in Ovid’s Fasti (III, 296) and has been translated as ‘There is a spirit here’.[12] Its interpretation, and in particular the exact sense of numen has been discussed extensively in the literature.[13]
The supposition that a numinous presence in the natural world supposed in the earliest layers of Italic religion, as it were an “animistic” element left over in historical Roman religion and especially in the etymology of Latin theonyms,….

The Empire Strikes Out: Kurd Lasswitz, Hans Dominik, and the …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0879722584 William B. Fischer “Nume” may be intended to suggest, in addition, both Latin “numen,” meaning “god” or “divinity,” and Greek “noumenon,” a true ideal or entity perceived by the rational faculty, … Thus, for example, they find it necessary to give the Earthmen terrestrial equivalents of their own time units: “When will [the departure] take place?

But we don’t know for shure if the sign H with 3 bars is from cretan hieroglyphic or Linear A/B.
In linear B it stands for PA3. From https://www.tumblr.com/search/syllabaries

I new that PA,

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology Dictionary
https://www.etymonline.com/word/*pa-

.*-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to protect, feed.” It forms all or part of: antipasto; appanage; bannock; bezoar; companion; company; feed; fodder; food; forage; foray; foster; fur; furrier; impanate; pabulum; panatela; panic (n.2) “type of grass;” pannier; panocha; pantry; pastern; pastor; pasture; pester; repast; satrap.

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=2061roto-IE:
*pāy- Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology

Meaning: to guard, to graze, to feed
Hittite: pahs- (pahhas-) (II) ‘schützen, verwahren’ (Friedrich 153)
Old Indian: pati, ptc. pāta-, pāna-, aor. apāsīt `to watch, keep, preserve’; pā́- (in comp.) m. `keeping, guarding’, pāyú- m. `guard, protector’, pāla- m. `guard, protector, keeper’, pāvan- (in comp.) `protecting’, pātár- n. `defending, defender’; nŕ̥-pīti- f. `protection of men’, nr̥-pa- m. `protector of men, king’
Old Greek: ep. pōü, -eos n. `Schafherde’, poimen, -énos m. `Hirt, Schafhirt’, pói̯mnǟ f. `(Schaf)herde’; pō̂ma n. `Deckel (an Kasten, Krügen, Köchern etc.)’

PA, as single,could mean (PA,proto indoeuropean root for protection):
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Then on the second line he uses the ideogram for “she goat”, again followed by the number 1 and by the syllabogram PA right truncated. If all this seems a mystery to you, it is not to me. The syllabogramPA right truncated on the second line almost certainly means pasi teoi = to all the gods, which in turn implies sapaketeriya …

If so,:PA+ MENO. My first association is gr. POIMEN :”shepperd”

Foreword: The return of ethnographic theory – The University of …
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.14318/hau1.1.001
shepherd of people” (in Greek, poimen laon), the term laos expressing a personal bond between king as guide …. the plurality of life and its beings appears as a singularity and b) a figure of vital externality, through ….. eventfulness embedded within images [1990b]; the partial and non-linear nature of knowledge [1991a]); .
..
But is PAMEN with PA not with O,besides it is appearing I.No problem with I cause PA could be read Pa.Pai etc.

[PDF]F I L I P P O F E R L A U T O
http://www.dtesis.univr.it/documenti/OccorrenzaIns/…/matdid501333.pdf
; questi segni avevano valore …. (a, e, i, o, u) per sillabe aperte (consonante + vocale) quali聽pa, pe, pi, po, pu, … indica la quantit, n tanto meno il grado di apertura che la quantit.

I found written form PA-MEN (=Poimen?)=”Shepperd?”

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm
KN He (06) 03 is a medallion with two faces inscribed and two numbers. One of the faces reads:
Pameni po-lo 100
The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos)
Please also note that the pictogram for pa looks like a house (cf. Minoan pa-na-so,
place of the house/temple)

Po-me=poimen po-me-no=poimenos, po-me-ne=poimenei

!! This shepperd is the very silhuette on pictographic tablet found together with the other twoo tablets.(Also there you have the grain sign “TE”,and kind of ibex/wild goat)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
Gr.NEMOs
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
The reading of the left quarter is PA-MENO (cf.pameni,pammenos =pan/pam menos=all months)
THIS YEAR http://www.omda.bg/uploaded_files/images/ezernia-grad/7.jpg

“PROTECT, GRAZE, TO FEED, POIMEN/Shepperd” are consistent with the pictographic tablet found near-by (out of total of three),On the tablet there are depiced: an vegetal motif, kind of human silhuette? and a goat.

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RIGHT SIDE (RIGHT QUADRANT)

Upper sign, +++++,it is grain,wheat,sitos,”TE” From https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B004_TE.svg 

As has more than three strokes (5 or ^) Could be Te-TE?

See sign “TE” in Linear A:
http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm 

Definition of “inscription” By convention, an “inscription” is defined as two or more signs in conjunction, a word. A single sign may be an abbreviation of a word (e.g., Linear B o for o-pe-ro, “owed”, “deficit”), or, commonly in Linear A, a transaction sign, like sign *42 A (“to” NAME?) and TE (“from”? NAME).

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm In the Minoan Linear A inscription, there are many aids to help the modern reader. First of all, there are loan words from different languages. For instance, the abbreviation “te,” commonly used on the tablets, has convincingly been shown by Jan Best and Fred Woudhuizen to be an abbreviation of an expression “telu” which appears to be related to an Assyrian word meaning delivery (Best and Woudhuizen 1988, 24).
First signs,D D don’t know what meaning to atribute them,as long as D-shape sign was not yet invented,
So the single solution is to think as the MOON-sign,wit the reading “MENO”.
But here I think the meaning it is not intended to moon or month but to its basic meaning :”constant,continous”or others direct derived.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%89
μένω • (ménō)
1.I stay, wait
1.(in battle) I stand fast
2.I stay where I am
3.I lodge
4.I tarry; I loiter, am idle
5.(of things) I am lasting; I remain, stand
6.(of condition) I remain
7.I abide by

8.(impersonal, with infinitive) it remains quotations ▼
2.(of persons) I await, expect quotations ▼
1.I wait for (accusative) to (infinitive)
Romanian:
A MANa :”to drive”raMAN:”remain”
A MANa :”stay,remain,LODGE”

So:”I(remain,abide)”; MENO,MENO-an,MINOAN”
my rendering “remain,abide
Now,interesting:some 7 years before I noticed that the upper sign gas a line to the second D.

You can see clear on picture.Whoever made the above drawing not made an accurate-one.See again what I am telling about:

At that time, I wondered if (line) intended or not.I told this to Mr.Marco Merlini.Not responded or much interested.
Now see: the upper sign is rendered in Linear A/B as :”TE”.Beeing binded/ligatured wit “D”-moon-shape we have:
TE+MENO,wich is TEMENO gr.TEMENOS:”shrine,temple”

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we find that the last supersyllabogram, TE, may readily and realistically rendered as temeno, which in Mycenaean Greek means “a temple”.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/temenos
A piece of land marked off from common uses and assigned as an official domain, especially to a king, chief, or god.
· A sacred circle where one can be oneself without fear.

Relating to the King MINOS,
MYNOS (MUNOS,MINOS,MENOS), his name is related to:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
μένος • (ménos) n (genitive μένεος or μένους); third declension
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
As in romanian language we have:
1.MINte/MINte,MENtal (mind/to lie,of the mind)
4.MANdrie
5.6.MANios (gr.MANiakos)

Citadel to City-State: The Transformation of Greece, 1200-700 B.C.E.
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The term appears in Linear B as te- me-no and refers to lands given to, or owned by, a god, the wanax (as in wa-na-ke-te-ro te-me- no), or the lawagetas (as in ra-wa-ke-si-jo …

The signs: “OO” or “OC”?

Could be numbers:

Thus: o o – | | o would be 312 and o o in Linear B,would be 200.

Table 5 Table of 27 supersyllabograms in Minoan Linear A. KEY to supersyllabograms in Linear A: fi = figs. gr = grains (wheat). ma = man, person. oo = olivesVvocabulary | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
https://linearbknossosmycenae.com

What with the latest signs OO,OC ?
If OC,first is the linear A “KE”

From http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TLm7HKEeR6I/AAAAAAAAAhM/UMyNjulXVNg/s1600/KA-QE-sign-evolution.jpg

Second it is in the same linear A,the moon :”MENO”
KE-MENO !?
What does it mean?

id you mean: kemono linguistics
Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro › books
Bela Brogyanyi, Thomas Krömmelbein ·IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven. po3.uni-koeln.de › sites › hvs › pdfs by Y DUHOUX · Cited by 34 · Related articles It does not help that except for Linear B none of the languages written in. Greece in …. which sees in qe-ja-me-no a title / kweyamenos/ ‘révérend, honoré’ (cf. tíw ‘ honour, revere …

KE-ME-NO is the greek KEiMENO?….radher opion is for qe-ja-me-no.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9
κεῖμαι • (keîmai)
1.to lie, lie outstretched
1.to lie asleep, repose, lie idle, lie still
2.to lie sick or wounded, lie in misery
3.to lie dead
4.to lie neglected, uncared for, unburied
5.(of wrestlers) to have a fall
2.(of places) to lie, be situated
1.(of things) to lie in a place
3.to be laid up, be in store (of goods, property, etc.)
4.to be set up, proposed
1.(of laws) to be laid down
2.(of arguments) to be laid down
3.(of names) to be given
5.(figuratively)
1.to be in the power of
2.to be in such a manner
3.to be
4.to settle down, deposit a sediment
5.(grammar, of words and phrases) to be found, to occur

On the Weaving of Texts – Glossologics
https://alexpolistigers.wordpress.com › …
Nov 26, 2013 · It is κείμενο ( keimeno), from κείμαι (keimai), meaning “lie, be placed”, and is … Similarly logical, leaving the Indo-European family and travelling to .
I think kemeno/keimeno are related to kome and comates,residents of come(village),but here are residents of a much large area Minoan/Mycenaean area.

Corpus of Mycenaean Inscriptions from Knossos:
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0521320224
John Chadwick, ‎L. Godart, ‎J. T. Killen  [ .5 ] ko-me-no vir 1[ ] no-do-ro-we D A [ • • • .2 Traces at left, perhaps ]re ; perhaps …

Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027235260
Bela Brogyanyi, ‎Thomas Krömmelbein – 1986 – ‎Language Arts & Disciplines
1887), and many of the other early constructors of the Indo-European edifice. Historical linguistics has persevered within the petrifying framework of derivational continua: *X > *Y > Z; IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven.

Whole upper half:
+++++ = TE=”From”
THIS (Thing empowered,with) lie,placed (text) YEAR God’s power and Will REMAIN,ABIDE TEMPLE 200?HEAVEN(of) the Sky)?sun&MOON?’
? THIS YEAR REMAIN PLACED TEMPLE ?
From the archeological site items and data some scientists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini) got clues that the deceased female was a high-revered in comunity and has a high social position and was a priestess,wich performed religious rituals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ionians
The “Proto-Ionians” first appear in the work of Ernst Curtius (1887), who believed that the Attic-Ionic dialect group was due to an “Ionicization” of Attica by immigration from Ionia in historical times. Curtius hypothesized that there had been a “Proto-Ionian” migration from the Balkans to western Anatolia in the same period that brought the Arcadic dialect (the successor of the Mycenean Greek stage yet undiscovered in the time of Curtius) to mainland Greece.[2] Curtius’ hypothesis was endorsed by George Hempl in 1920.[3] Hempl preferred to call these hypothetical, early Anatolian Greeks “Javonians”. Hempl attempted to defend a reading of Hittite cuneiform as Greek, in spite of the establishment of the Hittite language as a separate branch of Indo-European by Hrozný in 1917…………………………..The tripartite theory was revived by amateur linguist Jean Faucounau. In his view, the first Greek settlers in their historical territory were the (Pelasgic) “proto-Ionians”, who were separated around 3000 BC from both the proto-Dorians and the proto-Mycenaeans. Faucounau traces this three-wave model to similar views put forward by Paul Kretschmer in the 1890s and the 1900s (i.e., before the decipherment of Linear B), with a modification: the (proto-Ionic) First wave came by sea, the “Proto-Ionians” settling first in the Cycladic Islands, then in Euboea and Attica. The last two waves are the generally accepted arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks (the linguistic predecessors of the Arcadocypriot speakers) in around 1700 BC and the Dorian invasion around 1100 BC. …………….Faucounau’s addition to this is the argument that Crete is also too far south, that the names of the constellations are (Ionic) Greek, not Minoan, and therefore that the constellation makers must be the proto-Ionians in the Cyclades.[13] The south coast of Crete follows 35°N latitude; Syros, which he identifies as a center of proto-Ionian civilization,[14] is at 37°20′.[15] On this basis, he identifies the proto-Ionians with the archaeological Early Cycladic II culture: after all, they made round “frying pans,” and one of them with an incised spiral, and the Phaistos Disc is round with an incised spiral.[16]
His third argument depends on Herodotus’s somewhat obscure use of the word Pelasgian for various peoples, Greek-speaking and otherwise, around the Aegean basin. Faucounau claims that the word, which he derives idiosyncratically from πελαγος, “sea”,[17] means the descendants of the proto-Ionians. Some of them lost their language because they settled among foreigners; others, such as the Athenians, preserved their language – Attic, apparently, arises from a mixture of proto-Ionian and other dialects. He does not explain why Homer speaks of Dodona, inland in north-western Greece, as Pelasgian (Il, 16,233); nor why no place in historic Ionia is called Pelasgian.

http://paleoglot.blogspot.ro/2008/02/proto-aegean-what-i-mean-and-what-i.html

So now let’s draw a circle around Greece, Western Anatolia, Cyprus, Crete and the Aegean islands. We then start to see the linguistic pattern that I’m getting at. An entire language family forgotten in the mists of time and modern-day mystery mongering. What’s somewhat irritating to me and which should be irritating to you, the reader, is how we have an ‘Etruscan mystery’, a ‘Minoan mystery’, an ‘Eteo-Cretan mystery’ and an ‘Eteo-Cypriot mystery’ going on at the same time. If you research any one of these subjects, you’ll get next to nothing on their languages or their translations. It’s all “Who knows?” and “What if?”. Why is this region and this time period such a freakin’ mystery? Is it really because we lack information to piece it all together or is it because our power of concentration lacks get-up-and-go to solve problems without the use of a computer crutch?
Anyways, this is what I mean by “Proto-Aegean”. It sits there before you readers, waiting to be developed further.
https://e-edu.nbu.bg/pluginfile.php/727675/mod_resource/content/1/Chadwick%20%20Baumbach%201963%20-%20The%20Mycenaean%20Greek%20Vocabulary.pdf
Hpa e-ra PY Tn 316; female recipient of offerings, coupled with Zeus: dat. Hêrâi [Docs. 126, 289; Heubeck, IP 66. 223]. Note 1 : e-ra at KN is a place-name. Note 2: This spelling eliminates the proposed etymology from *”Hqfa; see Frisk, GEW. Discussion of the name : Schroder, Gymnasium 63. 67 ; van Windekens, Glotta 36. 309 ff.

The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period
Gallou, Chrysanthi (2003) The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period. PhD thesis, University of Nottingham. http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/ http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/1/289316.pdf
The identification of any given symbol or symbolic system should be classified in terms of human action and behaviour at a religious and/or funerary level, with reference to the context of occurrence.Given the problem of divergence in interpretation, a more reliable reading should be dictated by a morphological, syntactic and contextual analysis, and the awareness of the extent to which the interpreter’s preconceptions on the matter are introduced to the examination of past symbolism. Contextual, morphological and syntactic analysis of the symbolic element or system followed by cross-examination, cross-referencing and criticism of the hermeneutic model will underwrite to a significant degree the reliability of the interpretation.
Me: so signs are close-related to one specific concrete situation composed,it is a sum of unique concrete elements
xupoç ku-ro2 KNU0478, PY Ea 814 (dat.); gen. ku-ro2-jo KN B 822; MN: prob. Kurios [Docs. 420].TartRound

LABRYS.Supposed name for Mycenaean double-axe.New proposal/connection

April 2, 2018

 

Labrys

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/tep- – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/tep-

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Proto-Indo-European[edit]. Etymology[edit]. Has been derived from Proto-Kartvelian *ṭep-, *ṭp- (“to warm, keep warm”). However, the direction of the borrowing may be opposite, or both forms may be cognates within the controversial Nostratic macrofamily together with Proto-Afro-Asiatic *dp-, *dpr- (“heat, fire”).

From long time schollars whirlpooled their minds and got out sparks as pieces of flint wich are hitting.
At the origin was Plutarch .He related that the word labrys was a Lydian word for “axe”: Λυδοὶ γὰρ ‘λάβρυν’ τὸν πέλεκυν ὀνομάζουσι.[2].

Thttps://itsallgreektoanna.wordpress.com/2018/01/25/new-article-the-mystery-of-the-mycenaean-labyrinth/
The problem, clearly, is the difference between the Mycenaean da-pu2-ri-to-jo and the classical Greek laburinthos, from which our word ‘labyrinth’ comes: why does the Mycenaean form start with d- not l-, and how does the sign transcribed as pu2 correspond to b?
The Minoan Double Axe
As mentioned, the labrys is often associated with the Minoans. There is no doubt that, on Crete, the double axe was an important cultic symbol.[8] However, there is no evidence to link the word labrys with this Minoan symbol.
Labrys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys
Etymology
….…The bigger problem is reading pu2 as “bu.” In every case where a word spelled using that sign can be identified with a known Greek word, the reading is invariably “fu” (i.e. , an aspirated unvoiced labial). The only place where it might be thought to represent “bu” is in this very word, based entirely on the thought that it should be read as a form of labyrinth.[5]In a vacuum, this word would be read , or something similar. There is, therefore, no certain link with either the labrys or the labyrinth.

But see: lat. Labrum/labra/dolabra :”(with)lip,lips>plural/double-edged,lips pick-axe
No people is older than another as long as the origin is a couple in Africa.
Latin has some-how older traits as greek has to the roots of P.I.E.
Maybe some of ancestors (LUDUS) lived in Anatolia(Lidia).
Also latin is not long-distance but related to Akkadian.
Akkadian was as SEMERANO said kind of lingua-nostra in Near-East&Eastern Aegean area.
As dolabra has nothing to do with nostratic roots PAL,SEC wich are at the base of hitting,splitting,e.g. PELEKUS
So akkadian terms had nothing to do with axe:
http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/akkadian/dosearch.php?searchkey=933&language=id
labīru  [LIBIR :  , TIL :  ]  (f. labīrtu,  labīštu)
Cf. labāru
Variants : labru
old ; previous, former ; old-established ; kīma labīrīšu according to its original (of a tablet)
So akkadian LABRU means ger.UR- or gr. ARCH-

archaeo-, archeo-, archae-, arche-, archa-, archi-, -arch … – Word Info
wordinfo.info/unit/179/page:6
Greek: original [first in time], beginning, first cause, origin, ancient, primitive, from the beginning; most basic.

So LABRUS (LABRYS)=LABRU as DOLABRA it is not related to proper-axe but to properti double-rimmed has nothing to do with the axe roots,and means
“old-established,previous,former
In KIEV there are old catacombs, with hundred of skulls,name LAVRA origin LABRU:”old”
Romanian ,a pali:to hit” PALOS:big doble-edged sword” secure:”ax” Baltag,little mountain’s men kind of axe.
Possible I will show you how
LABRYS AX DA-PU-RI-TO-YO LABYRINTH
Dapu from dapuritoio is not related directly to ax,but to strong,stronhold
In a same way in wich rom.TOPOR is axe DAPUR in extreme could ment the same.
DAPA TAPA TABA daba-dava,tabarna labarna
Tabarna<> sum.tibira
V17.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229799
Maximillien De LafayetteTibira: Sumerian. Noun. a-A sculptor. b-Maker of statues. Tibira: Sumerian. Noun. A metal worker. Tibira: Sumerian. Noun. a-A wood artisan. b-A wood crafsman. Tibira: Sumerian. Noun. A blacksmith. Tibira: Sumerian. Noun. A blacksmith. A metal artisan. Tibira: Sumerian. Noun. A blacksmith.

Romanian a TABARA:” attack with much-full-exceeding force” TABARA :”camping”
But Dapuritoyo could be related to snskr.pura,puri village city
Gr,pyr bonfire
They have the same origin as bonfire/hearth
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_Proto-Indo-European_nouns#Fire
Peh2wr bonfire Hittite pahhur, Tocharian por/puwar, Ancient Greek pur, Umbrian pir, Old Norse furr, English fir/fire, Polish perzyna, Old Armenian(hur), German fiur/Feuer, Old Prussian panno, Oscan purasiai, Gothic fon,Czechpyr

So dapuritoyo=
Da:”give,it is:
Dapu,dapur:strong,ax
Puro,pury:fire,dwelling
Toyo<?>teio.teios

it is place of strong fire hearth
(in romania vatra satului=hearth of village=place/center of village)
The very place from utmost ancient times where was kept continously the fire and people could take=ancient ,hot, spiritual ,ancestor place/center.
Place of underground/underwold fire the place of the God=(underworld,night) SUN
LABYRINTH
At the origin the labyrinth was related to world and life matrix.
Intestine-like meanders are related to matrix,uterus,entrails,mother and matter.Never be entirely known, meander-like,mysterious aspect of life and Universe.
In Vinca-Turdas Culture,

As in well-known hit,”Earth wind an fire” these elements were close-related and intricated in most ancient times relation of human-kind with Universe
Earth:”the strong base,bassement”
Wind: “anemo,spirit,gods”
Fire:”ultimate conditition for and life itself”
LABYRINTH is much related to lat.LABOR (hard,consuming work,toil,trouble)and elaborate,laboratory.The part LAB is related to limbs edges (labia,vulva birth and palm LABA) and think with akk.labru,labaru:”old”
Consuming<devour,voraceus>gr.BORO (ouroboros”devouring tail”
LABUR/LABOR-place LABYRinthos inthos:”inde,into,place”
The sumerian Bur,BURU
Sum.bùru(-d), bùr: n., opening; receptacle; hole; mine; depth (Akk. buuru ‘cistern, well’, cf., Orel & Stolbova #164, *ba’Vr-/*bu’Vr- “well, pit”; could also be Sumerian from, ub4 , ‘cavity, hole’, + úr, ‘floor’ – the u vowel especially correlates with round objects or openings). v., to receive; to bore through, pierce; to break into (a house)
!! You have cavity holes with floors ? !

mean the same as PIE roots BOR/BUR
Cavity,to perforate,make hole,hole
Bohren,borr,burial
Rom.BURta:”belly” BURUiana:”weed” perforate-up BORcan:”jar” BorBorosi”murmure,sound like air bubbles cumming up from water)
The labyrinth itself is an undergrund abode&shrine for humans an place of toil and torment.
TARTARUS – Pit Beneath the Earth of Greek Mythology
http://www.theoi.com/Kosmos/Tartaros.html
The protogenos (primordial deity) Tartaros scarcely figures in myth and was a purely elemental deity, i.e. the pit itself instead of an anthropomorphic god. Later, classical writers re-imagined Tartaros as a hellish prison-house for the damned conflating it with Homer’s Haidean chamber of torments.

Gr.tartaros an cruel ruller and also the place of continous toil,the hell itself.
Tartor,tartaros:”fierce,fierry tyrranic despotic ruller”
tartor – definiție | dexonline
https://dexonline.ro/definitie/tartor
TÁRTOR, tartori, s. m. Căpetenia dracilor; p. gener. drac. ♢ Fig. Conducătorul unei tagme, al unui grup, care conduce cu severitate, despotic. ♢ Fig. Om fără scrupule, care își impune voința, care terorizează, care comite fapte reprobabile.

Prehistoric Dacia, Nicolae Densusianu, 1913 | Translations | Languages

Greek, was born in the mountains of Dacia, between Buzau and the Iron Gates. The great temple …… such a fundamental way the populations called Indo-European, overthrow all the hypotheses of linguistics about their …… From its primitive meaning the word Tartaros was identical with the archaic Latin “tata” (in folk Latin father)

The Hell of Tartarus, Ancient Greek Prison of the … – Ancient Origins
http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths…/hell-tartarus-ancient-greek-prison-damned-005527
In Greek mythology, Tartarus is the name both of a deity and of a place. The deity by the name of Tartarus is a primordial being that existed before the Olympian gods, and their predecessors, the Titans. This primordial being is not very well known, as it features rarely in Greek myths.
Tartarus was not a deity of the Pit, but the Pit itself.

Skrt.PURA,PURI gr.PYR and lat.PURO also root PAL>pelekus:”axe” are relate also to “split,divide,division”.and “fire”
Splitting dividing of earth,of fire and of populations
So, pura,pyr,demos,peleg and pelekus are related

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/purus From Proto-Indo-European *pewH- (“to cleanse, purify”)

Also funeral pile,pyre are depp related to religion

So lat. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rogus
rogus m (genitive rogī); second declension
1.A funeral pile
2.(figuratively) The grave
Lat.Rogus funeral pile grave is direct related to rogare(ask for,pray) asin
rom/RUG:”fire pile” a ruga :”to ask for,pray”

Latin PRUTANEUM place where fire is kept and distributed PYR-teneum:fire-keep
(more…)

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET.Linear A/B approach

March 18, 2018

SCIENTISTS ALLREADY CORRECTLY NOTICED (ME ALSO FULLY AGREE)THAT THE CLOSEST WRITING SYSTEM TO THE SIGNS PRESENT ON TARTARIA TABLETS IS SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM.

THE PURPOSE OF PRESENT APPROACH IS ONLY TO TEST HOW CLOSE WOULD BE THE ROUND TARTARIA TABLET TO AEGEAN WRITING.

Not to wait till the finish, I am telling that the out of very few signs found, PA3,PA           the tablet is not written in eny Aegean writing (Cretan Hieroglyphic,Linear A or Linear B)!

TAR ROUND CRETAN H LINEAR A-B

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET
CRETAN HIEROGLYFIC LINEAR A/B APPROACH

Image, from https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

TartRound

Acknowledgement
I am studing these Tartaria  tablets from more than 10 years. Soon after seeing their pictures, I was attracted bewitched/enchanted by the apparent close appearance of signs (especially the upper half of the round tablet) to those of archaic greek. (archaic eta=Heta; zeta,etc.)  First af all it seems that                                                                                       ON ALL TABLETS THERE ARE A CONCOURSE OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNS (PICTOGRAPHIC,IDEOGRAM/SYLLABOGRAMS AND POSSIBLE LETTERS).
But there are some questions wich wait answers:
– Nobody could explain an such early appearance of D-shape signs. They appeared first in Europe in Linear B as representing volume measures units and later in archaic Greek.    I had difficulties also with the bow-arrow  and “>>” signs.

I SEARCHED IN WICH WRITING MOST OF THE SIGNS ARE TO BE FOUND                           – Cretan hierogliphic show an old influence from sumerian and Anatolian writings. For signs/icons placed right-downward quarter not found easy matching. They seem to be complex ideograms or kind of ligatured signs.                                                                     – For carian most of the signs were found. Highest average ! 80%. But pitty, not all signs!. Dificulty arouse not because one  suppose or expect (cannot find carian signs), but because they  used different signs-shapes-letterss-readings in different ages and places, despite their very greek origin. Not even talk about the carian language wich is partly understood only be 1-2 men (e.g. Ignacio Adiego) out of entire world.  There are in total 25 carian alphabets. So the writing and the language each taken apart are difficult and that both combined give a GREAT MESS.                                                               – Other European writings as italic-venetic,iberian ond others from Europe has shown an phenomenom like frome some phoenician source letters dispersed all-over Mediterranean area. Table, from Alphabetos de ayer y de hoy                     http://proel.org/index.php?pagina=alfabetos :

No one writing system could match found/read entirely.
Don’t believe, this happened much easy when used the proto-cuneiform sumerian library of signs.
It seems that sumerians allready wrote novels before Aegeans passed from Cretan hieroglyphic to linear A> linear B.
There is a span of close to 1.000 years (700), when they used writing (3.200 BC)before Aegean/Europe (2.500BC) begun.                                                                                                                           (3.200 BC sumerian proto-cuneiform and 2500 Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A).               This folowing picture is from hand-made by me replica.

36320642_1671848542936382_8881202476397625344_n                                  http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.ro/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCGJ5DXc0fsaWc67tfd57-J-2TRy0Mwu9JqqG8dK242WM2a4_z

1-st QUADRANT ( downward half- on the right )

See the red sign  downward-right quarter                                                                                           From http://cristianluchian.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cristian_luchian_tartaria_tablets.jpg

Tart RED

This shape is conducting me (and not a single opinion)to the idea of kind of portable altar with flames on upper side (as this real portable-altar from Vinca Culture)

The sign in a way is close to cretan hieroglyphic sign DE, ( turned upside-down)             From http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

263ieroglyfikasite

Table,from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

But much close is linear A(also upside-down),sign AB 45

Note.Overall shape of the tablet (cross in circle) is above linear A shape AB77.
But much close to before discussed sign is the linear A “DE” sign
in normal position and in other occurencies turned upside-down

But in the same position also DE in LINEAR B
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/mycenaeans-1229034501455786-1/95/mycenaeans-21-728.jpg?cb=1229006262 From http://www.crystalinks.com/linearb.html

linearb

From Σάββατο, 8 Νοεμβρίου 2014 Systematic analysis reveals relationship of the alphabet with other Mediterranean scripts Cosmas Theodorides http://studialphabetica.blogspot.com/

FINAL READING:”DE? E?, or COMPLEX IDEOGRAM for ESCHARA/ALTAR (!incense burner !)                                                                                                                                                                —————————————————————————————————-                                                 On the right,

From http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

segrid

From THE MYCENAEAN TREE AND PILLAR CULT AND ITS MEDITERRANEAN RELATIONS. A.EVANS http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult-Mediterranean_Evans.html http://www.archaeologicalresource.com/Books_and_Articles/Tree_and_Pillar_Cult_Medit_Evans_1901/images/image58.png

image58

.Fig. 54. – Symbols derived from the Egyptian Ankh. 1. The Ankh. 2. Two-armed Egyptian Form. 3 and 4. Hittite Types. 5. From Mycenaean Ring. 6. On Carthaginian Stele.

Close to linear A, AB 80 “E”,or “RI”
See E signs shape, especially that one down-middle-one

Or even linear A, “MA” (having included a horizontal ligature?)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/S_qxpdDgI3I/AAAAAAAAAbA/QcXKTDMye5A/s1600/Linear-A-base.jpg From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/           *80 MA, perhaps a logogram on HT 146.3, 110b.2, 5 (cf. Linear B ma-ra-tu-wo)

The sign has appearance of a female deity:

Minoan snake goddess figurines – Revolvy
https://www.revolvy.com/…/index.php?s=Minoan%20snake%20goddess%20figurines&#8230;
The snake goddess’s Minoan name may be related with A-sa-sa-ra, a possible interpretation of inscriptions found in Linear A texts. Although Linear A is not yet deciphered, Palmer relates tentatively the inscription a-sa-sa-ra-me which seems to have accompanied goddesses, with the Hittite išhaššara, which means …

http://firstlegend.info/thevenuscult.html

Syrio-Hittite Venus 18-1000 BC Central and southwest Anatolia northern Syria
The goddess Astarte is much like the contemporary Venus we see on Cyprus. Large holes apparently for ring decoration (referred to as being “pegged”), palm sized with stubby arms are a common style among other cultures too. The pinched face is found on the stubby armed figurines as well as the pillar shaped statuettes.

TANIT
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn8zXkui3VB2aPcvRqRZb_51nMVN5AxlovaPKMNnsoMJveYUFkcw

A-SA-SA-RA
https://www.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fc9%2Fbb%2F5b%2Fc9bb5b87cefec1f6ef4a188e28fa7f8f–minoan-crete.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fcchristodoulopo%2Fminoan-crete%2F&docid=_x7U8Avj-OvZ5M&tbnid=IB6oURdnRDfaHM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiamqymkM7ZAhWG8ywKHRFfD5EQMwh9KDUwNQ..i&w=234&h=375&bih=662&biw=1366&q=hititte%20ishara%20minoan%20a-sa-sa-ra-me%20goddess&ved=0ahUKEwiamqymkM7ZAhWG8ywKHRFfD5EQMwh9KDUwNQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOwTjXrOXS_bmNcrHpTEPIQHh4aPV2Fnnyckn7b17vjFbVPZzAlw

Greek Mycenaean PSI type terracotta female, 1300-230 B.C.
with upraised arms and dark brown decorations; it shows
that the Minoan civilization was much more advanced, but
the very same idea is depicted here.
Please note the consistent raising of the arms,


From DOCUMENTS IN MINOAN LUWIAN, SEMITIC, AND PELASGIAN  FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Documents_in_Minoan_Luwian_Semitic_and_P.pdf

“From these data, it may be deduced that the most important deity, with (if we include the abbreviated instances) 17 occurrences in sum, is Asasara, 3 who has been convincingly identified with the Semitic mother-goddess Asherat or Asherah. The most characteristic symbol of this goddess is the double axe, which in writing functions for the expression of the initial vowel of her name, a (E36 or CHIC 042), and as such may be used on its own to refer to her in abbreviation.4 On the south pillar of the pillar crypt in Malia (see Fig. 75), the symbol of Asherah occurs twice in combination with that of a star with either six or eight points. Now, against the backdrop of the identification of the main goddess as Asherah, it stands to reason that we are dealing here with the symbol of the daughter of this mothergoddess, Ashtarte, whose name originates from PIE *h2stḗr- “star, but we can as yet not be certain of this as we lack an instance of this divine name written out in full. However, this same shortcoming does not affect the symbol of the storm-god in the form of a trident on the north pillar of this same pillar crypt at Malia, because the hieroglyphic inscriptions from the palace of Malia and Quartier Mu at the same site positively allow for the latter’s identification as Luwian Tarkhu(nt). In these texts, namely, the name of Tarkhunt occurs in the form of the goat’s head sign TARKU (E65 or CHIC016) as much as 11 times, and is in frequency outmatched only by that of Asherah referred to in abbreviation by the double axe as much as 12 times (note that in two instances, # 098 and # 112, both deities occur together in the same text). On the other hand, it should be realized that the storm-god may also be referred to by Semitic forms of address like Haddu or Baªal, as it happens to be the case in the text of the discus from Phaistos (# 333), and the altar stone from Malia (# 328) which according to its legend ultimately originates from Skheria (= Hagia Triada) also in the Mesara. In reality, this change from a Luwian to a Semitic form of address for the storm-god may not have been as fundamental for the Minoans as it might seem to us at first sight, as on the A-side of the discus of Phaistos the storm-god is referred to in his Luwian form Tarkh˙unt, again, by his symbol the trident or bolt of lightning

The right sign is close to signAB 80, linear A “E”( or RI)                                                             RIGHT SIGN, LINEAR A “E” or AN ASTRAL DEITY (as ASASARA)                                        —————————————————————————

LEFT         RIGHT
Hier.DE    linA E?
linA AB45  linA AB80
linA DE linA RI, linA MA
Compared vith linear B,

Also,not much difference:Lin.B:

LEFT   RIGHT                                                                                                                                                          E                                                                                                                                                  DE          E

Reading: De ; Ri/E ;  EDE:”EAT /gr. edo:”(I) eat” …………..ede, the same as in quadrant with signs HD:(h)eDe (P.I.E.:”hED“)
Note
The signs seem to be independent icons, not to be read both as a word
( both signs ,DeRI/RiDe EDE DE-MA ?)

EDE:”gr.here,this one,NOW / lat.2-nd imp. “lat.EAT,feed!/Dispatch !”(gr.edo:I eat)

FINAL READING OF THE SIGN SITUATE ON THE RIGHT:                                                 “E”/”MA” ? or complex ideogram of an astral deity as ASASARA

FINAL READING FOR BOTH SIGNS:

It seems that there are or words, (E-DE/DE-MA) but rather ideograms/logograms:   altar.incense burner <&> fem.astral deity Asasara-like

QUADRANT 2

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s1600/NEgrid.JPG

Upper-Right

Upper sign,(encircled-one)  +++++                                                                                                         ! THERE IS NO SUCH SIGN 5-teeth comb in Aegean writings !                                  FromJOHN JOUNGER’s blog, http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                    *171, logogram on ZA 6a with agricultural commodities (perhaps also on THE Zb 5); in Linear B, it occurs with livestock (fodder? TH nodules)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlih20F28zX6wP_DG5SuHyypORTm7NjXCA_O2gGDnjeIyDAyi-cw

Sign +++++
Cretan Te,”wheat”
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/30/e5/9530e511673bbc954e8153dd163f8862.jpg Cretan hieroglyphs, From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/ideograms/

                                                                                        From From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/ta g/ideograms/

comparison of Cretan TE with symbol for wheat or barley in various ancient scripts

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRykURVevP7C91htJQXSWtUoIKlv_VE7Zk8RacOILleQApR07vw  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B004_TE.svg                                             John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/     *171, “logogram on ZA 6a with agricultural commodities (perhaps also on THE Zb 5); in Linear B, it occurs with livestock (fodder? TH nodules)”                                                                  FINAL READING: TE-TE ? what would be tete? or sign like Aegean one in some sort of local script meaning also cereal?                                                                                           CEREALS,WHEAT

=====================================================================     Down, in a row : D D o o (or D D o c ?)                                                                                          As a long row of researchers supposed to have in those 4 signs the Moon phases, this could be taken in account, so representing a full Month with its main phases. Otherwise, I do not know of no single instance, in any known writing, other yhan Jiahu script, where the D-shape to represent the moon.  Only as C-shape:                                                                                                                                               IURII MOSENKIS file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/HELLENIC_ORIGIN_OF_EUROPE_Formation_of_t.pdf‘Sign *034C“has been suggested to represent MNA (or, if a disyllabic value can be
accepted, MINA), based on its resemblance to the crescent moon (Pope and Raison 1978, 28;Packard 1974, 107; Furumark 1956, 24). And while this idea has not received wide-spread agreement, it may be correct.                                                                                                ————————————————————————————————————————-                        The D-shape sign is missing in all Aegean before-alphabetic writings !  The folowing is a try, “in place of”/emergency solution. No credit for my part.                                                  :  D D :Two months? ; From http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2012/04/exploring-cretan-numeral-system.html

Mycenaean-measurement-systems

2 measures of grain, 0,8 litre/each? folowed by number 200 ! nonsense ! From RICHARD VALLANCE blog, https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2015/02/19/mycenaean-linear-b-units-of-measurement-liquid-dry-weight-click-to-enlarge/ https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2015/02/19/mycenaean-linear-b-units-of-measurement-liquid-dry-weight-click-to-enlarge/

units-of-mesurement-in-mycenaean-linear-b

————————————————————————————-                                                                     Sign “o”                                                                                                                                          Cretan hieroglyphic http://mnamon.sns.it/index.php?page=Simboli&id=35&lang=en sign 073                                                                                                                                                    A TABLE OF SIMILARITIES https://www.teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/…/signary.pdf.. 073 qe (kwe),                           Cretan Hieroglyphic Grids http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/Hiero/Hgrids.html .. 073 KU3 From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/

 *309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a *309b– *309c –                             ———————————————————————

  Siggn “C”                                                                                                                                                From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                Sign *034    has been suggested by several scholars to represent MNA (or, if a disyllabic value can be accepted, MINA), based on its resemblance to the crescent moon (Pope and Raison 1978, 28; Packard 1974, 107; Furumark 1956, 24).

               Linear A , sign A309a   http://mnamon.sns.it/index.php?page=Simboli&id=19&lang=en                                                                                                              From John JOUNGER http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/

sign A309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a and…. (me:nothing about meaning)

oo“-signs: mycenaean”100 ;-100” so 200 ?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdJZsAep5U4BWZyr3rOwSgtq9jQ-7nVqiU_yy_h9zVPfKdOLRN

D D o o : two months + 200 ?                                                                                                                     D=meno

From https://www.academia.edu/15310428/Linear_B_Lexicon_by_Chris_Tselentis_Greece_

me-no       menos            meinos                                                                                                               …………men>menas  mein>meinas

 month (men= month/moon/anAnatolian deity)

men’-o  Verb
Definition 
  1. to remain, abide
    1. in reference to place
      1. to sojourn, tarry
      2. not to depart 1a
    2. to continue to be present 1a
    3. to be held, kept, continually
    4. in reference to time
      1. to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure 1b
    5. of persons, to survive, live
    6. in reference to state or condition
      1. to remain as one, not to become another or different
  2. to wait for, await one

https://glosbe.com/el/en/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82    μαινόμενος livid{ adjective }very angry, furious

                D                                            o       o                                                                                    MOON/remain,abidex2=plural    egg/oo,oio/originate                                                           

D             oo                                                                                                                                        MENO MENoio              menoio=menoio(s) “MINoan(s)”

See people.ds.cam.ac.uk/naz21/bird_and_egg.Zair.pdfPDF PIE ‘bird’ and ‘egg’ after Schindler
de N ZAIR

(The sumerian proto-cuneiform signs and archaic greek letters are fitting much easier/very easy) NOTE THAT:                                                                                                            – ALLMOST ALL OF EARLIER WORLD WRITINGS WERE ECONOMICAL ACCOUNTS       – IN 3 SOME OF THE FIRST WRITINGS, D-SIGNS WAS FOR :                                                             1.BEVELED BOWL, DISH.DAYLY (bread,cereal)RATIO,BREAD in sumerian proto-cuneiform                                                                                                                                              2. “LOAF OF BREAD“,”T” in Egypt                                                                                                     3. VOLUME MEASURE IN LINEAR B

Beveled-rim bowls (left) used for the disbursement of rations … https://www.researchgate.net/…/Beveled-rim-bowls-left-used-for-the-disbursement-of-rat&#8230; “Beveled-rim bowls (left) used for the disbursement of rations represented by the sign GAR (middle, left column) which could be used to designate a ration of a …”

FINAL READING:                                                                                                                                   2 VOLUME UNITS ; 100 100                                                                                                               “200 DOUBLE-MEASURES“?                                                                                                            ————————————————————————————-

QUADRANT 3

Up-LeftRAW

RoUp-Left2

See archaic Heta-like sign No.6 “NU”?

Linear A sign “BE”/”PE”?? No!                                                           https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/

(but exact shape of linear B sign PA3) From John Jounger  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/   *56 (PA3), HT 9b.1, 132.2, 34.6

Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans – CLAS Users
users.clas.ufl.edu/drjdg/historical/pubs/IE.pdf
*peh2- ‘protect; feed’ (آHittite:ً pa-ah-sa(pahsa): protect, guards 3sg.Skt. pa-ti ‘protects’) : *peh2-trom / *peh2-dhlom … OPULENT (same root [*op-1] as Lat. opera ‘works’ etc.).

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂- – Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
to reconstruct *h₃ … Ancient Greek: πατέομαι (patéomai, “to eat”).

Folowing, the moon-like sign D-shaped                                                                                            ! THERE IS NO D-shaped sign IN AEGEAN WRITINGS EXCEPT for VOLUME UNIT !
I try to be read Mi-Ni,Me-No,ME-NA ( the MOON )

A TABLE OF SIMILARITIES
https://www.teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf                                  .? (as in me-na. . the moon), or qim (kwi, as in qi-si-pe- e,

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82 Proto-Hellenic *ménos, from Proto-Indo-European *ménos (“mind”

Pe-MeNa ??                                                                                                                                  PEMEN >> gr.phemen see https://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=206&T1=%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
gr.Phemi> phamen, phaimen

If we have linear B “PA3” then PA-MEN >gr.PHAMEN
φημί • (phēmí) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%86%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AF
1.I speak, say.
1.I think
2.(of an author) I write
3.(φησί or ἔφη used when quoting, sometimes after another verb of saying) quotations ▼
2.I say yes, agree, affirm, assert
1.(with οὐ) I say no, deny, refuse quotations ▼
2.(φημί or οὕτως φημί as interjection) yes, I would say so

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh₂-
Semantic shift from “protector” towards “shepherd, herder” can be seen in many branches, signifying the importance of herding. Unusual is the o-grade root in Greek ποιμήν (poimḗn, “shepherd, herdsman”),

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BC%CE%AE%CE%BD
Mycenaean Greek  (po-me), Latin pascō (“put to graze”), pāstor (“shepherd”), Sanskrit पाति (pā́ti),
——————————————–
My note
Gr.hed>ed (eat) Pa(teomai)(eat)
In PIE ed :to bite=to eat used same root ED related also with teeth (edontos)

ed-, edi- – Word Information
wordinfo.info/unit/4532/ip:1/il:E
Latin: edere, “to bite, to eat; eating, eatable; consume” … Etymology: from Indo-European ed-, “eat” which produced the basic word for “eat” in many European languages. From Greek edein and Latin edere, “to eat”. eatable (adjective), more eatable, most eatable. Referring to something that is safe toeat: People have to be …

Note also:
Sumerian HEDU:”ornament” (En-hedu-ana),and

use of theses – ANU Repository
https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/bitstream/1885/10489/2/02Whole_Lee.pdf
b The Greek words ‘hedea’. (‘pleasant-things’} and ‘hedonai’ (‘pleasures’) can denote,. 61 firstly, things or events external to the agent, secondly,. 62 the agent’s bodily sensations, and, thirdly, certain. 61 In Homer, the word ‘hedu’ seems to function in much the same way as ‘gluku’-z’Sweet’), ..

Wich come to kid <=>gr./lat.:hed,hedus= sweet                                                           FromANISTORITON Journal of History, Archaeology, ArtHistory: Viewpoints http://www.a nistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm                                                                                              One of the faces reads: Pame-ni po-lo 100 The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos) Please also note that the …

signs PA Moon > PAMENI, PAMMENOS :”ALL MONTHs=(this) YEAR !!

https://journals.linguisticsociety.org/elanguage/pragmatics/article/download/541/541-873-1-PB.pdfCYPRIOT: How’s it going? – Pos pai;                                                                             Note                                                                                                                                           Anatolian/hittite has pa/pai :”give”

From https://archive.org/stream/dumezil-archaic-roman-religion-with-an-appendix-on-the-religion-of-the-etruscans-part-1/dumezil-archaic-roman-religion-with-an-appendix-on-the-religion-of-the-etruscans-part-1_djvu.txt                                                                       This is the list of specialized entities whose names the flamen of Ceres recites when he sacrifices to that goddess and to Tellus ( quos inuocat pamen sacrum ceriale faciens Telluri et Cereri ).

See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/peh%E2%82%82 ——————————————————————————————————————————–Signs:  PA3   MOON    ( PA;PAi )

Phaistos – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos  Phaistos also transliterated as Phaestos, Festos and Latin Phaestus, currently refers to a … After 1955 the place name, 𐀞𐀂𐀵, pa-i-to, interpreted as Phaistos (written in Mycenaean Greek), began to turn up in the Linear B tablets at Knossos,

MINOAN GREEK SOCIETY IN LINEAR A | iurii mosenkis – Academia.eduwww.academia.edu/…/MINOAN_GREEK_SOCIETY_IN_LI…                                … form of Greek ϕάϜος ‘light’ and means ‘the most lighted (*φαϜιστ-ος)1. … Four main palaces of Neopalatial period (KnossosPhaistos, Mallia, and Kato …

PAi, as in PASIPFAI ; PA=PASI =”All” as in Pasitheoi “all gods”                                                      PA/PAi -(whatever Moon name) >? PA/PAiMi-Ni(mene,meinei) =”ALL/LIGHTED MOON” ?? P.S. One would think “all Moon” as Full Moon or as entire phases….

(The combination PA +Volume unit is kind of nonsense : ALL VOLUME UNITS!?ALL BOWL!?)                                                                                                                                                   FINAL READING : PA+VOLUME UNIT/DISH >>                                                                                             ALL (CEREAL) BOWLS/PORTIONS (?)
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Upper signs,left-one:” bow-arrow”                                                                                                       THERE IS NO SUCH A SIGN IN AEGEAN WRITINGS !
Cretan Hieroglyphic A,U?;                                                                                                                     F Linear A  SI?  From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                  *41 (SI), common                                                                                                                                    / TU/ WA ?                                                                                                                                      From  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/       *323, HT 96a.3,4   (??)

Linear B,”ZO”?
NO-one match entirely,only “XE=Kse” from Cypriot syllabary
——————————————————————————–                                                             Next right sign “>>”                                                                                                                              THERE IS NO SUCH SIGN IN AEGEAN WRITINGS !
Match only “Pi” from cypriot syllabary, and linear A > :”TI”                                              From  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/          *37 (TI), common                               My note:but is 90 deg. rotated!                                                                                                          AT THE LIMIT/FORCED READING:”TI” 
—————————————————————————————-                                                                 The last,downward it is linear A/B “PA”                                                                                     ———————————————————————                                                                                          Now all 3 signs appear:                                                                                                        WA    TiTi

PA                                                or Cypriot:    Xe       Pi

No mycenaean word xe-Pi,Pi-Pa or that kind.                                                                           This could be the end of my attempt to read this tablet using Mycenaean signs (Cretan Hieroglyphic/Minoan Linear A/B signs).                                                                                           I cannot take some signs from one writing and other on the tablet from another syllabary or writing.                                                                                                                        This could be a good exemple for proving a writing not partain of one supposed writing system (syllabary in our case)                                                                  Pro-argument to use (Mr.Vallance Janke, http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html ):                                                                                                      “And I do agree with the theory that Hieroglyphic signs are ultimately ancestral to the Linear sytems. These include not only Linear A, but also its offsrings outside Crete, such as Linear B in mainland Greece, Cypro-Minoan and Linear C on Cyprus.”

But give another chance: Bow-Arrow:Cretan Hieroglyphic sign 048. From: http://chainimage.com/image/table-of-standardized-cretan-hieroglyphic-signs

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http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/02/how-to-read-minoan-hieroglyphics.html MitchMarch 12, 2011 at 10:54 AM “The Cretan Hieroglyphic Signs and their Suspected
Linear A Equivalents”

#048, 049 ‘archery’ signs (141) = AB41 / si                                                                                        (me):And >> sign cretan Hieroglyphic sign 018:”ru2(rjiu,lu) https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary_July2017.pdf.  So,

Si             Ru/Rju

 Pa/psa >> Pa:”All

SIRU/SIRJU PA(siteoi-like?)  SIRJU<?>SIRU or SIRJIU<?>SIRU(OSIRIS)?                                                     From the spiritual substratum of bronze age mediterranean & circum pontic …https://issuu.com/alaoupi/docs/-the_spiritual_substratum_of_bronze                               “Apart from Siru or Serio, who represents a ‘sun’ god, there is a lunar / solar trinity including Nopina (in later Greek = Nymph or Maiden), who”

From Sacred and the Profane, The – Dictionary definition of Sacred and the …https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias…/sacred-and-profane         “In general the synonyms in the IndoEuropean languages for what the metalanguages imply with their contrast between profane and sacred boil down to a … In Babylonian, kug is translated with ellu (“[ritually] pure, bright, free”), mah with siru (“first-rank, exalted”),”      

From Minoan civilization originated in Anatolia! – History Forum ~ All …archive.worldhistoria.com › … › Ancient Mediterranean and Europe

In terms of culture, the Hurrians (like their other relatives the Sumerians), believe in the sky diety ANU. … SIRUTE KERAIZO SIRU to destroy

SIRU PA :”Rase/DESTROY ALL” ? Maybe; as smashing all items(idols) used in ritual? Could be.                                                                                                                                                              ————————————————————————————————————————                       IT SEEMS THAT THIS TABLET IS NOT WRITTEN IN AN AEGEAN WRITING, RATHER IN SOME ANATOLIAN VARIANT !                                                                                                      From Alphabets of Asia Minor https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html