Earlier, using the graphical-analytical method, we found the Turkic Urheimat in the South Caucasus (see The Nostratic languages. ) and then localized the habitats of Turkic tribes speaking particular dialects, originated from the common parent Turkic language, in East Europe (see The uprising of the Turkic Languages) . content://com.android.chrome.FileProvider/images/screenshot/16411219832048302626540330989691.jpg
From The Relationship of the Altaic and Turkic languages.http://alterling.ucoz.de/index/the_relationship_of_the_altaic_and_turkic_languages/0-19 << Earlier, using the graphical-analytical method, we found the Turkic Urheimat in the South Caucasus (see The Nostratic languages. ) and then localized the habitats of Turkic tribes speaking particular dialects, originated from the common parent Turkic language, in East Europe (see The uprising of the Turkic Languages) . Only to the end of the 3rd mill BC the most part of Turkic tribes crossed the Don and dispersed in the Volga river basin, the Northern Caucasus, and further in the steppes of Kazakhstan. In such way they arrived to Altai. Such assertion contradicts Altaic theory of the origin Turkic languages based upon the fact of common features between the Turkic and Mongolic languages. But these common features can have other explanation as genetic relationship. >>
For the place of origin of Altaic and Turkic languages, further searching must be made; from the above paper: “The Proto-Turkic language quite well fit to the general model of relationship of the Altaic languages what can say about their common genetic origin. For the final clarification of the issue, it is needed to find the territory of arising of the Altaic languages. As the graph has only five knots, it can be placed on different places in Europe or Asia. To facilitate the search for the exact location, we have to construct the separate models of relationship of the Mongolic and Manchu-Tungus languages, which number is enough for the confident placing them on assumed places of Ethno-generating areas . Having received such survey, it will be easier to establish the place of formation of the other Altaic languages”
Another relation of altaic family with the folowing people on the area, sumerians:
Close or on the same area followed sumerians: From https://dokument.pub/gbekli-tepe-genesis-of-the-gods-the-temple-of-the-watchers-and-the-discovery-of-eden-by-andrew-collins-graham-hancoc-flipbook-pdf.htmlhttps://dokument.pub>gbdkl…PDFgobegli_tepe-genesis_of_the_gods-DOKUMENT.PUBABODE OF THE GODS 《The mythologies of these great civilizations speak clearly of wisdom bringers and creator gods responsible for the formation of the earliest towns, cities, canals, walled enclosures, and irrigation channels—and even of humankind. Named as the Anunnaki, these anthropomorphic, or humanlike, gods are said to have emerged from a primeval mound called Duku, situated on a cosmic mountain named Kharsag, beneath which was the world of mortal human beings. Klaus Schmidt believes that Göbekli Tepe had a direct impact on the myths and legends regarding the Anunnaki, and that the site could be the role model for the original Duku mound. Indeed, he goes further, as Andrew points out in this book, by hinting at a connection between Göbekli Tepe and biblical traditions concerning the Garden of Eden, and perhaps even the very human angels of Hebrew mythological tradition known as the Watchers. CULT OF THE VULTURE A deep look at the description of the Watchers and their offspring, the Nephilim, in ancient Jewish texts such as the book of Enoch makes it clear that these mythical creatures were not incorporeal angels, but flesh and blood human beings with very distinct shamanistic qualities. They are occasionally said to wear dark, iridescent cloaks, or feather coats, and on occasion they take flight like birds, echoing the presence among the earliest proto-Neolithic communities of the Near East of a cult of death and rebirth focused on scavenger birds such as the vulture. As Andrew points out, at Göbekli Tepe, as well as at the nine-thousandyear-old Neolithic city of Çatal Höyük in southern-central Turkey, there are abstract representations of vultures with articulated legs. Either they are shamans 》
” the Fertile Crescent was a linguistic mosaic with higher population densities than its surroundings and a long history of ancient cultural innovations, including agriculture. Languages expanded from it, not into it. It is pointless to look for the origins of Indo-European in the first farmers of Anatolia, who spoke Hattic before the Hittites arrived. Neither could the Neolithic peoples of the Levant have spoken Afro-Asiatic, the only Eurasian branch of which (Semitic) having reached the area in relatively recent times. We will never know the language of PPNA, and there might have been many. Perhaps the dwellers of Çatal Höyuk and worshippers at Göbekli Tepe spoke an ancestor of Hattic, or perhaps it was yet another language that contributed to the huge diversity of this ancient cultural mosaic.” https://images.app.goo.gl/uviPnB2J8JZj5mFT9
It is not inappropriate to say “inhabitants” because although it is not known how stable the dwelling was, it is known that they frequented this area. My humble premises, assumptions, opinions, hypotheses and observations would be: – Many hypotheses have been launched regarding the connection of the population and cult sites with the sky and the stars, in my opinion possibly exaggerated, inducing the idea of a population with intense concerns and good training in the area. astronomy, and resulting less than for hunting. – The sky did not look the same for non-Western European populations. (see for example the ancient Chinese cosmological concept) If the origin of the Indo-Europeans was in Anatolia then we can assume precursors, beginnings and concepts in the same direction. – the stage of spiritual-religious development was the animist-totemist-shamanist one. Among the shaman populations, the axis of the world and the North Star were of the greatest importance. Because they were related to the afterlife but also to the spiritual journeys of the shamans. Then the correspondent of the polar star on the earth was the intersection of the polar axis with the earth, the “navel of the earth”. At 9,600 B.C. the north celestial pole was near the constellation Hercules (the star EtaHerculis) – the existence of an Axis Mundis does not depend on the existence of a bright star in that place in the sky – Of course the existence of asterisms / surrounding constellations was noticed and inscribed – I do not fight the claims that on the pillars there are stars and constellations (like some maps) – the T-shape which is the symbol of the complex Sumerian concept “Me” which at its turn had a total involvement in the physical and spiritual life of the Sumerians. This symbol and conception is definitely rooted in Tas Tepeler. – This symbol and concept Me, for the Sumerians: “divine, vital force, life spirit” was closely related to the activities carried out by the Sumerians and the inhabitants of Tas Tepeler in their holidays and festivals. – if ancestor worship was very much like worship of heroes, then why not a proto-hero-ancestor in pre-pottery neolithic. Similar to Ghilgames, as later was represented by Hercules Constellation >> – considering the period of time in which it existed, the Tas Tepeler hunter-gatherers society were one of the highest organizational knowledge and technological level achieved by humankind. ===== D O C U M E N T I N G ======
https://www.uh.edu › ~cldue › hero… Hero Cults <<The worship of heroes was very much like ancestor worship>> GÖBEKLI TEPE’S PILLAR 43: AN ASTRONOMICAL INTERPRETATIONAndrew Collins and Rodney Hale http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/P43.htm <<During the epoch of 9600 BCE the northern celestial pole was located in the constellation of Hercules, although no bright star was close enough to act as pole star.
Figure 3. Schematic overlay of key features of Pillar 43 overlaid on a snapshot of the sky taken from the Stellarium sky program for the latitude of Göbekli Tepe for a date of 9600 BCE, its approximate date of manufacture based on radiocarbon dating evidence.Schematic overlay of key features of Pillar 43 overlaid on a snapshot of the sky taken from the Stellarium sky program for the latitude of Göbekli Tepe for a date of 9600 BCE, its approximate date of manufacture based on radiocarbon dating evidence.
Hole in the Sky Identifying the ball as the turning point of the northern night sky makes sense of its role as the disembodied head and soul of the headless figure seen at the bottom of Pillar 43. In the shamanic-based beliefs and practices of tribal cultures in Siberia, such as the Chukchee and Altaians, the northern celestial pole is seen as a hole through which the soul passes to gain entry to the afterlife. Indeed, this “hole in the sky” was compared with the round smoke hole of a yurt or tent, through which the soul of the shaman, and presumably those who have died inside the yurt, navigate to reach the Upper World (Eliade, 1987: 17, 19, 30). Indeed, in shamanic tradition all three worlds – the Below World, Middle World and Upper World – are linked via similar such holes.>> I found a work that refers to Chinese civilization, although it refers to a later period than the pre-ceramic Neolithic. I think it is a very good source of inspiration: The Ancient Eurasian World and the Celestial Pivot In and Outside the Square:The Sky and the Power of Belief in Ancient China and the World, c. 4500 BC – AD 200 by John C. Didier http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp192_vol1.pdf <<Chapter 2: The Power of the Celestial Pole in the Ancient World Sources recording early celestial observations undertaken in many world civilizations support the proposition that for ancient peoples the sky, and particularly the celestial pole and its circumpolar stars, constituted the point of center and/or origin of things, and also the ultimate guide and source of solace for humans when they were astray, alone, or otherwise insecure in the world. Essentially, people looked to the sky to establish their own context and thus gain a sense of security.Part of such security seems to have been achieved when ancient observers across many civilizations imposed their wish for escape from the natural earthly cycles of life and death, that is, for immortality, on the one natural phenomenon that never rested, and thus never died, the northern celestial pole. Such an immortality often involved the apotheosizing of human leaders on earth such that they came to form part of a given civilization’s godhead. In other cases the celestial polar godhead, while anthropomorphized, did not as far as we understand embrace the spirits of deceased ancestral kings. In both cases, however, the northern celestial pole seems to have served as either the font or seat of the perceived and projected universal high power. …… In the literature treating the history of the ancient development of astronomical science it is often pondered whether the human impulse to observe, mark, and thus understand the formulaic shifting of the celestial canopy originated in a need for either calendrical and navigational or psycho-spiritual guidance. That is, we wonder, which came first, a celestially based calendar or a celestially oriented projection of protective and guiding deities? …..As we have seen, such Lithic constellations would have marked the seasons and years, but they might also have been simply practical measures to enhance identification of the particular heliacally rising star that was significant to the observers. …. earlier people with even fewer clues to the workings of the universe that surrounded them also would have projected onto the stars a causal, effective influence over themselves and their earthly environs. As mentioned in the first pages of this book, likely this originated as not only a simplistic response to patterns observed in the environment but also a root psychological impulse to manage the feared unknown. In that such a process to a degree rationalized the universe, the causal relationship established psychologically between stellar phenomena and earth events lessened the extent and intensity of the unknown and thus reduced people’s fear of it. ….. p.200 Taiyi is the name of the god at the northern celestial pole. Residing in its station, it is called Taiyi. Since it constantly traverses the eight trigrams between the sun and the pole (i.e., between the solar ecliptic and the NCP, or throughout the heavens), it is called either Tianyi or Taiyi. ….p.203 In other words, “there was thus a tendency for kingdoms, capitals, temples, shrines, and so forth, to be constructed as replicas of the cosmos. …. The Ancient Eurasian World and the Celestial Pivot In and Outside the Square:The Sky and the Power of Belief in Ancient China and the World, c. 4500 BC – AD 200 by John C. Didier http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp192_vol1.pdf <<Chapter 2: The Power of the Celestial Pole in the Ancient World Sources recording early celestial observations undertaken in many world civilizations support the proposition that for ancient peoples the sky, and particularly the celestial pole and its circumpolar stars, constituted the point of center and/or origin of things, and also the ultimate guide and source of solace for humans when they were astray, alone, or otherwise insecure in the world. Essentially, people looked to the sky to establish their own context and thus gain a sense of security.Part of such security seems to have been achieved when ancient observers across many civilizations imposed their wish for escape from the natural earthly cycles of life and death, that is, for immortality, on the one natural phenomenon that never rested, and thus never died, the northern celestial pole. Such an immortality often involved the apotheosizing of human leaders on earth such that they came to form part of a given civilization’s godhead. In other cases the celestial polar godhead, while anthropomorphized, did not as far as we understand embrace the spirits of deceased ancestral kings. In both cases, however, the northern celestial pole seems to have served as either the font or seat of the perceived and projected universal high power. …… In the literature treating the history of the ancient development of astronomical science it is often pondered whether the human impulse to observe, mark, and thus understand the formulaic shifting of the celestial canopy originated in a need for either calendrical and navigational or psycho-spiritual guidance. That is, we wonder, which came first, a celestially based calendar or a celestially oriented projection of protective and guiding deities? …..As we have seen, such Lithic constellations would have marked the seasons and years, but they might also have been simply practical measures to enhance identification of the particular heliacally rising star that was significant to the observers. ….. earlier people with even fewer clues to the workings of the universe that surrounded them also would have projected onto the stars a causal, effective influence over themselves and their earthly environs. As mentioned in the first pages of this book, likely this originated as not only a simplistic response to patterns observed in the environment but also a root psychological impulse to manage the feared unknown. In that such a process to a degree rationalized the universe, the causal relationship established psychologically between stellar phenomena and earth events lessened the extent and intensity of the unknown and thus reduced people’s fear of it. ….. p.200 Taiyi is the name of the god at the northern celestial pole. Residing in its station, it is called Taiyi. Since it constantly traverses the eight trigrams between the sun and the pole (i.e., between the solar ecliptic and the NCP, or throughout the heavens), it is called either Tianyi or Taiyi. ….p.203 In other words, “there was thus a tendency for kingdoms, capitals, temples, shrines, and so forth, to be constructed as replicas of the cosmos. …. p.204. Elsewhere Eliade even indicated in passing the object that he believed was the absolute center of the cosmos to which the Sacred Mountain pointed and which every temple or palace recreated: the pole star. … p.209 “The Polar Rectangle” ….. p.210 The palace of the Chinese emperor… [and] the heart of the South Indian templecity… each symbolized an axis mundi, an omphalos, about which their respective kingdoms revolved. Similarly, whereas in these cultures cardinal orientation involved the positioning of the sides of a square or rectangle so as to face the cardinal points of the compass, in ancient Mesopotamia it was normally the corners of the enceinte which were directed in this manner. But in both instances the principle of cardinal orientation was strongly developed, the four compass directions were the reference points by which the sacred enceinte of the city was located in the continuum of profane space. >> Observations in Eddic Astronomy Niddhöggr, Yggdrassils Askr, and the Swan Song of Cyngus by Dr. Christopher E. Johnsenhttp://www.germanicmythology.com/ASTRONOMY3/Nidhoggr.html << As we know it is extremely likely that the Milky Way was seen as a road or river where the dead crossed over or traveled upon to reach the land of the dead. Cygnus is located at the northern-most reaches of the Milky Way, reflecting how migrating swans were seen to journey each spring over the earth. Worldwide in many mythologies, Cygnus was seen as the entrance and exit to the sky-world and perhaps the original location of heaven. The extreme north was where the dead went in the afterlife and they reached it by going to the Pole Star along the north-south meridian line, which splits the heavens in two along its longitudinal zenith. This cosmic axis of the Northern Hemisphere was seen as linked with the axis mundi of the terrestrial world, via a sky-pole, which has featured extensively in shamanic practices across Europe and Asia.>> The Polar Star and Human Migrations in Prehistoric Europe http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/01/15/the-polar-star-and-human-migrations-in-prehistoric-europe/?fbclid=IwAR13326gRZRQvcA_phSaYCBm25mIYCjzH7tOyHf65Vz3rmXwoSqGAUk4uUk << The star constellation Hercules, which is seen up side down, can be conceptualized as a female goddess, not up side down, especially this relief:
Comparing it to the Hercules constellation shows certain similarity, as an easy application of the common observation that in the stars you can see what you want to see. The arrows point out something that is not obvious. The right tight in the relief is bulged, which can be explained by the stars of Hercules, and the drinking horn is there, though in another position.
Hercules was the constellation closest to the celestial North Pole until the polar star moved to Draco, so we should find two constellations, Hercules and Draco. A Gravettian statue known as Balzi Rossi Beuty and the Beast shows a woman and a snake. The figures are connected from the head and legs. Draco is close to Tau Herculis, which is a star in the woman’s head. Draco does not connect to the woman’s feet, but there is another snake shaped constellation close to the feet, Serpent’s Caput. While it may not be so obvious from the drawing, there is no mistake in identifying one figure as the woman by the breasts, navel and buttocks and the snake by the snake head and scales in the body.
….. After Gravettian there were the Solutrean and Magdalenian cultures which were already discussed. Let us jump to the new migration around 12,000 BC. It is the time when Vega was the polar star. >> Tau Herculis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_Herculis << Tau Herculis is located within 1° of the precessional path traced across the celestial sphere by the Earth’s North pole. It could have served the northern pole star around the year 7400 BCE >>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega << Vega was the northern pole star around 12,000 BCE >> ME’s and the Spring Festivals (Summary of Habilitation and Russian book). St.-Petersburg, Orientalia, 2009
Here we will review the basic properties or attributes of the prephilosophical categories of Ancient Near Eastern culture, and the most perspective approaches to their studying. It is impossible to study suchfundamental categories as Egyptian kа,bа, Sumerian me,nam, Elamic kiten, Chinese dao,de, applying philosophical or logical methods. …… The МЕ category is one of the most complex and multidimensional problems in cuneiform studies. Its translation, etymology, unity of theabstract and concrete sense in one concept, the semiotic space of thecategory and its probable dynamics within the borders of Mesopotamianculture contain one big problem for Sumerology. МЕ is connected to allinstitutions of civilization in Mesopotamia – the government, the court,military activity, crafts, rituals, literacy, and also to some human actionsand character traits. The whole “shape” of the civilization depends on MEas well as the prenatural laws and principles of cosmic life. ….. Then, let’s examine J. Klein’s hypothesis about МЕ as a special object which, in the reseacher’s opinion, should be “a two-dimensional symbol or an image cut or drawn on a banner or standard and designating abstractconcept hidden in it”. ….. Chapter V GODS AS HEROES OF SUMERIAN SPRING RITUALS All Sumerian texts results in the following consecutive actions:1. Preliminary reception of МЕ’s (from the senior god, or the senior brother, or an ancestor).2. Fight for МЕ’s with a certain villain living in the highlands.3. Victory over the villain and capture of trophies.4. Solemn delivery of the trophies into a temple of the senior god (anancestor or the entity the ME had been received from).5. The need for authority and reception of signs of power.
The naturalistic representations of the photographic type, of the things that surround us are very familiar to us and do not require any effort of understanding. Whether it’s the image of the mother, a tree or whatever. But when it comes to representing abstract notions, then things are not as simple. Because ideally the image should be both suggestive and represent that concept as synthetically as possible. The difficulty becomes obvious and only if we go back to the example we had before, mother. I don’t think that when the Sumerians needed a sign to represent the divine powers then, they immediately imagined one. I think they had a choice, from the infinity of pre-existing signs in nature. I noticed that the Sumerian pictographic signs (ie proto-cuneiform) do not always faithfully reflect the shape of the described object. Then maybe the Sumerians took the sign from previous civilizations or maybe not. But surely the hunter-gatherers also faced a similar dilemma: what sign to use to express a sense of admiration, piety, and deification? We will never know if the choice of sign was partially random or long thought out. We are now approaching the bull’s skull and the human figure. Somehow an irony of fate, of the headless human figure! Of course, the human figure and the bull inspire strength and power, but I think there are many other symbols that could just as well suggest strength and power. But let’s not forget that we interpret from the perspective of modern man who has a completely different vision the world. The beginnings of religion in the world as well as the population of pre-ceramic Neolithic culture (PPN / pre-pottery neolithic) did not begin with the deification of anthropomorphic entities. As I argue, the first T-shaped monuments may have represented the spirit of life. Possibly with the ancestors. The Russian scientist Emelianov claims that the original meaning of the Sumerian notion “Me”, which has the shape of your letter, was “the will to live”. You are probably wondering what the connection may be between two civilizations 5,000 years apart. I was also surprised to notice some connections. It is possible that there is a kind of continuity in space and time of some local inhabitants. Fortunately, there are other researchers who have noted such similarities: From the Treasures of Syria – NINO Leiden https: //www.nino-leiden.nl ›publication› from-the-tre … << they were practical, modest, and devoid of anthropocentric pride enough not to find and rely on deities like them. The evolution starting from the deification of some spirit entities can be observed in that of the appearance of the pillars from layer III from Gobekli Tepe, then moving to the T-pillars from Adiyaman / Kilisik. >>
and ending with the man from Urfa. Although I would have liked to find traces and the last springs of the T sign in the pre-ceramic phase or before, I did not find it. I found something on the territory of Armenia, but the signs do not seem to be old enough (ie before 9,600 BCE) and their interpretation deviates from that of the Sumerian experts. https://www.academia.edu ›The_La … Web Results (PDF) The Land of the Celestial Gates | Hamlet Martirosyan … In future writings we will try to show that it is necessary to use the “passage, fissure, aperture, door, gate, way” meaning of the ME cuneiform. This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_Xabze
The Adyghe “hammer cross” representing Xabze
See also the indigenous religions of the indigenous peoples of the Caucasus: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Caucasian_neopaganism << An important element is the belief in the souls of the ancestors, who have the ability to observe and evaluate the affairs of their descendants. The concept of physical pain or pleasure in (the life of) then is absent …. >> I did not find T signs older than those of Gobekli Tepe in art and cave signs or those of the Stone Age. And even if I found it, it would be rather impossible to extract any clear meaning from them. My opinion is that the sign being in the category of crosses is related to the impact, the intersection and the crossing, the crossing. It may represent the connection of earthlings with heaven and divinity, since the T sign in ancient Chinese writing represents the notion of DOWN. Somehow it is naturalistic, because the sky was imagined by the ancients as a sphere that surrounds the Earth, so somewhat tangible. is represented by the top of the T.
Two adjacent T’s: “H” Universe ?? If the meaning of the sign T = Me has become so rich and complex, I think it has an old origin in a simpler society and over time, as it has developed and has gained new and new meanings. The society and population of the Sanliurfa area from IEN 9,600 was at least as advanced and complex for its time as the subsequent society that followed it after thousands of years, the Sumerian one!
Nu este impropriu spus “locuitori” pentru ca desi nu se stie cat de stabila era locuirea, se stie ca frecventau aceasta zona. Umilele mele premize, supozitii, pareri, ipoteze si observatii ar fi: – Au fost lansate multe ipoteze privind legatura populatiei si a siturilor cultice cu cerul si astrele, dupa mine posibil exagerat, inducand ideea unei populatii cu intense preocupari si o buna pregatire in zona astronomiei, si rezultand mai putin decat pentru vanatoare. – Cerul nu a aratat la fel pentru populatiile care nu au fost Vest Europene. (a se vedea spre exemplu concetia cosmologica antica chinezeasca) Daca originea Indo-Europenilor a fost in Anatolia atunci putem presupune precursori, inceputuri si conceptii in aceeasi in aceasta directie. – stadiul de dezvoltare spiritual-religioasa era acela animist-totemist-samanist. La populatiile cu samani, axul lumii si steaua polara aveau cea mai mare importanta. Pentru ca erau legate de viata de apoi dar si de calatoriile spirituale ale samanilor. Apoi corespondentul stelei polare pe pamant era intersectia axei polare cu pamantul, “buricul pamantului”. – La 9.600 B.C. polul nord celest, a fost in dreptul Constelatiei Hercules (steaua EtaHerculis) – existenta unui Axis Mundis nu depinde de existenta unei stele stralucitoare in acel loc pe cer – Desigur existenta asterismelor/constelatiilor inconjuratoare a fost remarcata si au fost inscriptionate – nu sustin dar nici nu combat sustinerile ca pe piloni sunt figurate stele si constelatii (in genul unor harti) – Forma T care este simbolul conceptului sumerian complex “Me” care la radul lui a avut o implicare totala in viata fizica si spirituala a sumerienilor. Acest simbol si conceptie isi are radacina categoric la Tas Tepeler. – Acest simbol si concept Me, pentru sumerieni:”divin, forta vitala,spiritul vietii” a fost strans legat de activitatile desfasurate de sumerieni si locuitorii Tas Tepeler in sarbatorile si festivalurile lor.
GÖBEKLI TEPE’S PILLAR 43: AN ASTRONOMICAL INTERPRETATIONAndrew Collins and Rodney Hale http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/news/P43.htm Lb.Rom.: << În timpul epocii anului 9600 î.Hr., polul ceresc nordic era situat în constelația lui Hercule, deși nicio stea strălucitoare nu era suficient de aproape pentru a acționa ca stea polară. Gaura in Cer. Identificarea mingii ca punct de cotitură al cerului nopții de nord dă sens rolului său de cap și suflet neîncarnat al figurii fără cap văzută în partea de jos a stâlpului 43. În credințele și practicile bazate pe șaman ale culturilor tribale din Siberia, precum ca Chukchee și Altaieni, polul ceresc nordic este văzut ca o gaură prin care trece sufletul pentru a obține intrarea în viața de apoi. Într-adevăr, această „găură din cer” a fost comparată cu gaura rotundă de fum a unei iurte sau a unui cort, prin care sufletul șamanului și, probabil, cei care au murit în interiorul iurtei, navighează pentru a ajunge în Lumea Superioară (Eliade, 1987). : 17, 19, 30). Într-adevăr, în tradiția șamanică, toate cele trei lumi – Lumea de dedesubt, Lumea de Mijloc și Lumea de Sus – sunt legate prin astfel de găuri similare.>>
Figure 3. Suprapunerea schematică a caracteristicilor cheie ale stâlpului 43 suprapuse pe un instantaneu al cerului luat din programul de cer Stellarium pentru latitudinea de Göbekli Tepe pentru o dată de 9600 î.Hr., data aproximativă de fabricație bazată pe dovezi de datare cu radiocarbon.
Am gasit o lucrare care se refera la civilizatia chineza cu toate ca se refera, la o perioada mai tarzie de cat neoliticul pre-ceramic. Cred ca este o foarte buna sursa de inspiratie:
The Ancient Eurasian World and the Celestial Pivot In and Outside the Square:The Sky and the Power of Belief in Ancient China and the World, c. 4500 BC – AD 200 by John C. Didier http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp192_vol1.pdf <<Chapter 2: The Power of the Celestial Pole in the Ancient World l Lb.Rom.: << Surse care înregistrează observațiile cerești timpurii efectuate în multe civilizații ale lumii susțin propunerea că, pentru popoarele antice, cerul și, în special, polul ceresc și a acestuia stelele circumpolare, au constituit punctul de centru și/sau originea lucrurilor și, de asemenea, ultimul ghid și sursă de alinare pentru oameni atunci când erau rătăciți, singuri sau nesiguri în alt mod în lume. În esență, oamenii s-au uitat la cer pentru a-și stabili propriul context și, astfel, să capete sens de securitate.O parte din această securitate pare să fi fost atinsă atunci când observatorii antici din mulți civilizațiile și-au impus dorința de evadare din ciclurile naturale pământești ale vieții și morții, pentru nemurire, pe singurul fenomen natural care nu s-a odihnit niciodată și, prin urmare, nu a murit niciodată, polul ceresc nordic. …. În literatura care tratează istoria dezvoltării antice a științei astronomice adesea s-a gândit dacă impulsul uman de a observa, de a marca și, astfel, de a înțelege formula deplasarii baldachinului ceresc a provenit dintr-o nevoie fie de calendaristică și de navigație sau dintr-una de îndrumare psiho-spirituală. Adică, ne întrebăm, care a fost primul, un calendar bazat pe cel ceresc sau o proiecție orientată spre cer a zeităților protectoare și călăuzitoare? …..După cum am văzut, astfel de constelații litice ar fi marcat anotimpurile și anii, dar ar fi putut fi, de asemenea, pur și simplu măsuri practice pentru a îmbunătăți identificarea unei stele speciale în creștere heliacala care a fost semnificativă pentru observatori. ….. oamenii de demult, cu și mai puține indicii despre funcționarea universului care îi înconjura, de asemenea, ar fi proiectat asupra stelelor un efect cauzal, eficient influența asupra lor înșiși și asupra mediului lor pământesc. După cum se menționează în primele pagini ale acestui articol din carte, probabil că aceasta a apărut nu doar ca un răspuns simplist la tiparele observate în mediu dar și un impuls psihologic bazal de a gestiona necunoscutul temut. În că astfel de proces într-o măsură a raționalizat universul, relația cauzală stabilită psihologic între fenomenele stelare și evenimentele pământești au diminuat amploarea și intensitatea necunoscutului și astfel a redus teama oamenilor de asta.
….. p.200 Taiyi este numele zeului de la polul ceresc nordic. Locuind în stația sa, se numește Taiyi. Deoarece traversează în mod constant cele opt trigrame dintre soare și pol (adică între ecliptica solară și NCP, sau prin ceruri), se numește fie Tianyi, fie Taiyi. ….p.203 Cu alte cuvinte, „a existat astfel o tendință pentru regate, capitale, temple, altare și așa mai departe, să fie construite ca replici ale cosmosului. …. str.204. În altă parte, Eliade chiar a indicat în treacăt obiectul despre care credea că este centrul absolut al cosmosul spre care îndrepta Muntele Sacru și pe care fiecare templu sau palat l-a recreat: steaua polară.… p.209 „Dreptunghiul polar” ….. p.210 Palatul împăratului chinez… [și] inima orașului templu din India de Sud… fiecare simbolizează un axis mundi, un omphalos, în jurul căruia se învârteau regatele lor respective. În mod similar, în timp ce în aceste culturi orientarea cardinală presupunea poziționarea laturilor unui pătrat sau dreptunghi astfel încât să fie în fața punctelor cardinale ale busolei, în Mesopotamia antică era în mod normal colţuri ale enceintei care erau îndreptate în acest fel. Dar în ambele cazuri principiul orientării cardinale a fost puternic dezvoltat, cele patru direcții ale busolei au fost punctele de referință prin care enceinte sacru a orașului a fost situat în continuum-ul spațiului profan. >>
Din Observations in Eddic Astronomy Niddhöggr, Yggdrassils Askr, and the Swan Song of Cyngus by Dr. Christopher E. Johnsenhttp://www.germanicmythology.com/ASTRONOMY3/Nidhoggr.html Lb.Rom. <<După cum știm, este extrem de probabil ca Calea Lactee să fi fost văzută ca un drum sau un râu pe care morții au traversat sau au călătorit pentru a ajunge în țara morților. Cygnus este situat în partea cea mai nordică a Căii Lactee, reflectând modul în care lebedele migratoare au fost văzute călătorind în fiecare primăvară peste pământ. La nivel mondial, în multe mitologii, Cygnus a fost văzut ca intrarea și ieșirea în lumea cerului și poate locația originală a raiului. Nordul extrem a fost locul unde morții au mers în viața de apoi și au ajuns la el mergând la Steaua Polară de-a lungul liniei meridiane nord-sud, care împarte cerurile în două de-a lungul zenitului său longitudinal. Această axă cosmică a emisferei nordice a fost văzută ca fiind legată de axis mundi a lumii terestre, printr-un stalp ceresc, care a apărut pe scară largă în practicile șamanice din Europa și Asia.
Compararea acesteia cu constelația Hercule arată o anumită similitudine, ca o aplicare ușoară a observației comune că în stele poți vedea ceea ce vrei să vezi. Săgețile indică ceva care nu este evident. Strecul drept din relief este bombat, ceea ce poate fi explicat prin stelele lui Hercule, iar cornul de băut este acolo, deși într-o altă poziție.
Hercule a fost constelația cea mai apropiată de Polul Nord ceresc până când steaua polară s-a mutat la Draco, așa că ar trebui să găsim două constelații, Hercule și Draco. O statuie gravettiană cunoscută sub numele de Balzi Rossi Beuty and the Beast arată o femeie și un șarpe. Figurile sunt conectate de la cap și picioare. Draco este aproape de Tau Herculis, care este o stea în capul femeii. Draco nu se conectează la picioarele femeii, dar există o altă constelație în formă de șarpe aproape de picioare, Caput al șarpelui. Deși s-ar putea să nu fie atât de evident din desen, nu există nicio greșeală în identificarea unei figuri ca fiind femeia după sâni, buric și fese și șarpele de capul și solzii de șarpe în corp.
….. După Gravettian au existat culturile solutreană și magdaleniană despre care s-a discutat deja. Să trecem la noua migrație în jurul anului 12.000 î.Hr. Este timpul când Vega era steaua polară. >> Tau Herculis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_Herculis << Tau Herculis este situat la 1° de calea precesională trasată peste sfera cerească de polul nord al Pământului. Ar fi putut deservi steaua polului nordic în jurul anului 7400 î.Hr. >>
I found two papers in wich are discussed T-glyphs/symbols and T-doors in America: America’s T-doors. Between the Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayans and ancient Japanese – deciphering the IK glyph Matthias Ifejika https://www.academia.edu/resource/work/19045742 and: Ik’ WAY: The Mayan Origin of T-Shaped Doors in the North American Southwest Mark Callis https://www.academia.edu/resource/work/44957771
Interesting enough despite the scientists are sure that T-symbol is “Iku“, also sure that is related to wind,soul,life. If there are hundred of T-doors, the authors not made any connection of the soul with the door. Nor with the afterlife. Only tangential with death. “As for Mesoamerican, all I know is that in the Maya case it may have something to do with the written representation of the word ” ik’ ” which means wind, breath, or life.”
https://www.jstor.org › stableSome Observations on T585 (Quincunx) of the Maya Script – jstor 《 Abstract .The Maya glyph IK (ik’) is found in structurally similar positions to the Maya quincunx glyph, which is known to have a phonetic value bi or be. Since ik’ is life, spirit, breath, wind in Mayan languages, it is noteworthy that bi/be means life, breath, spirit in Zapotecan languages, possible descendents of the language of Monte Alban in the Valley of Oaxaca, where the quincunx glyph is found quite early. Thus, it is conceivable that the Maya quincunx glyph with its sound value be was borrowed in both form and sound value from Zapotecans, suggesting that be is also the sound value of that glyph in the “Zapotec” script. It is further suggested that in Zapotec the quincunx was a logogram representing be life, breath, wind whose meaning carried over into at least the quincunx part of a “death” expression in the Maya inscriptions, and perhaps elsewhere in the Maya script. Additional connections of the quincunx and IK glyphs are pursued.》
In fact that doors were made and intended for exit (in the case of houses), passing the souls through them. Wikipedia/ soul hole :<<…an “entrance and exit opening for the soul of the deceased”. … the opening made in the locking stones of so many megalithic graves .” …. megalithic graves were “heavy spell housings against the demonic power of the living corpse and at the same time seats of the separated souls, for which a small opening – the so-called soul hole – was left in the stone structure, where the anima could secretly slip in and out. ” The term was used in archeology and ethnology , but is considered out of date. The German word “Seelenloch” is also used in English-language publications. >>
The shape is an abstraction of human torso because the hole must to acomodate the passing of something close to human body.Probably the spirit of the dead was amorphe, only by far ressembling the shape of human body. Very interesting, Gobekli Tepe T-pillars (upon scientists are abstract reflections of human body. As a result of my extensive study are related to sumerian proto-cuneiform sign Me:”to be,being”. Pillars were inhabiting life spirits, (as if they had souls).
I must explain that nowdays the spirit is equated with soul.I propose to consider spirit more as an essence, the abstract aspect. Soul, close to our senses and physiology, everyday life, breath. As animists consider that everything (living or objects) has its spirit but only animated,living beings has souls. I sustain that the American T-doors have the function of seelenloch=soul holes, present in many megalithic constructions throughout the World. Doors were thought as for exit, passage of the souls to the othe World. ====== From angelfire.com zThe breath of life symbol of the Maya I’K zthe T shaped symbol
“T” Shaped Window at Palenque
<< In the Mayan tradition, “I’q” is the Breath, the Air, the Spirit.The symbol of “I’q” is drawn as a T, representing a doorway into the spirit world and other dimensions. The T forms half of a cross (the World Tree) and the other half lies in the spirit world.Many of the Mayan temples have windows and doorways in the shape of a T. They are not only physical doorways but are also spiritual doorways (a portal into the spirit world).
Just as air is exchanged in the lungs, so our consciousness exchanges thoughts, ideas and experiences with the spirits by going through the zero point. Through the breath, we can gain a clearer perspective of reality, create a state of serenity and peace and journey through the corridor of our consciousness.>>
Pipette, Cochise County, Arizona. Photograph from Arizona Memory Project.
Symbols H and I are the same basic shape, one is another turned 90deg. In America’s the above author name them “ballcourts” and “pipettes”.From above paper: << Wright and Russell (2011) illustrate approximately 60 pipettes from rock art sites in their paper (incidentally they also include five T-shapes, supposedly as half pipettes, … We submit that the compartmentalization of the cosmos into containers was a conceptual metaphor of the tiered cosmos. This metaphor was embedded in the Uto-Aztecan language shared across Mesoamerica and the Greater Southwest and materialized in pipette symbolism. … In other words Wright and Russell are suggesting that the pipette symbol represents tiers of the cosmos with a passage up through them (for the entry of humans). >> So the author, Faris connects pipettes wth cosmos. In my before posts I showed that H is a double T(sumerian Me) and could mean the connexion of below with above, or whole below and above, then Cosmos. Maybe Faris chain-pipettes are the symbol of soul passing stages=rungs, up to the sky.For the ballcourt he said: “One of the iconic features of Mesoamerican urban sites is the ballcourt. Many of these were formed in the shape of the capital letter “I”. … While these are named Ballcourts, and we certainly believe that the Mesoamerican ball games were conducted in them, they are also believed to have served a number of other functions, ritual and otherwise. ” And finaly no definite conclusion: “So is the T-shape half of an I-shaped ballcourt? Is a two-lobed pipette a I-shaped ballcourt, or two T-shapes together end to end? Is a three-lobed pipette a ballcourt and a T-shaped doorway connected? I really cannot say, although I do believe that those more conversant with Hohokam than I should take a detailed look at it ” Good enough, despite he knows that T symbol is for ik, “spirit,soul” and realised that pipettes and ballcourts shapes are connected T’s(Ik’s) at least he realise and become aware that of a relation of humans with cosmos and soul rising to sky.(“tiers of the cosmos with a passage up through them (for the entry of humans“)
Some questions remain, e.g. why a nail, hammer symbol for breath,soul ? But if we are seeing from the perspective of divine power of life the World is not longer upside-down..
Alles begann beim Lesen: https://www.ancient-origins.net › co…Kosmische Kraft des Schamanen und Symbole im Göbekli Tepe – Teil II .Özgür Baris Etli < Das H-Symbol Ray Urbaniak interpretiert das „H“-Symbol als Doppel-T-Form. Zwei zusammengefügte T-Formen bilden ein Doppel-T. Er sagt auch, dass Tau die Hälfte davon in der spirituellen Welt repräsentiert. Wir können uns also vorstellen, dass das „H“-Symbol aus zwei Tau-Symbolen besteht. Das I-Symbol Das „I“-Symbol der alten mexikanischen Mythologie zeigt nicht nur ein einzelnes Tau in zwei Formen, sondern in unterschiedlichen Positionen, sowie zwei doppelköpfige Figuren, die in einer vereint sind, was die Dualität oben und unten oder den Himmel illustriert und Erde. … …….. In der prototürkischen Kultur wurde das „I“-Symbol als „ON: Cosmos“ bezeichnet. Interessanterweise repräsentiert das „I“-Symbol in der chinesischen Kultur den Schamanen oder Geistervermittler, das sogenannte Wu. Die weit verbreitete Verwendung der umgekehrten und aufrechten Tau-Form bei den indigenen amerikanischen Völkern als Embleme des Oben und Unten ist reichlich belegt und ist zweifellos so selbstverständlich entstanden wie die chinesischen Schriftzeichen „Shang: Above“, die als Symbol für den Himmel verwendet werden, und „Lea: Unten oder Unten“, verwendet als Symbol für die Erde. Die Verbindung zwischen Himmel und Erde stellt die Erschaffung der Unschuld dar und dies wird durch die zentrale Linie widergespiegelt. … Ich kann also vermuten, dass es sich bei dem mysteriösen „Me“-Symbol um eine „Himmel (Himmel) – Erde-Verbindung: damit das Leben existieren könnte“ handelt. Im schamanischen Glauben nimmt die Erde ihre Lebenskraft über die Nabelschnur aus dem Himmel. Göbekli Tepe ist aus diesem Grund als wichtiger Standort anzusehen. (Interessanterweise bedeutet „Göbek“ auf Türkisch „Der Nabel“). Darin vereinen sich schöpferische Kräfte zur Geburt oder Wiedergeburt. Daher sind bestimmte Tage entscheidend, um Lebensenergie vom Himmel oder Himmel zu holen. Es wird angenommen, dass die Lebenskraft immer da ist, aber nicht immer sichtbar. Es wird angenommen, dass es an bestimmten Tagen des Jahres sichtbar ist.Diese Tage sind die Tagundnachtgleiche und die Sonnenwende. Andererseits kann das „H“- oder schräge „I“-Symbol für Ost-West-, Frau-Mann- oder Gott-Göttin-Verbindungen stehen.> Herr Özgür!: H-Charakter ist nicht Wu, sondern Gong-„Arbeit“ ! ========= H UND ICH SIND VARIANTEN DER GLEICHEN GRUNDFORM! Die Argumentation von Herrn Urbaniak und Özgür stimmt mit meinen Erkenntnissen überein: protosumerisches Zeichen “T”=”Me” bedeutet meiner Meinung nach protosumerisch/euphratischer “Lebensgeist”, sumerisch “göttliche Kraft, Wesen, Vorfahre”.
H besteht aus zwei T, also könnte Meme verwandt werden mit: – “alle göttlichen Kräfte = Kosmos”, (2×Me, Plural Meme) … oder – sumerische Heilgöttin (Schamane?) Ur-Meme, Meme = Gula =========== Es wird vermutet, dass in Göbekli Tepe heidnische, schamanische Rituale praktiziert wurden. In Bezug auf H/I-Symbole enthält das chinesische Schriftzeichen für Schamanen interessanterweise ein H-Zeichen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) Das zeitgenössische chinesische Schriftzeichen 巫 für wu kombiniert die grafischen Radikale gong 工 „Arbeit“ und ren 人 „Person“ verdoppelt (vgl. cong 从). Dieser 巫-Charakter entwickelte sich aus Siegelschriftzeichen, die tanzende Schamanen darstellten, die von Bronzeware-Schriftzeichen und Oracle-Knochenschriftzeichen abstammen, die einem mächtigen Kreuz ähnelten.>
Ihr seht, wir begegnen uns in H/I-Form, zweimal “Schamane” (1.als sumerisches Meme, Gula und 2.mit chinesischem Schriftzeichen Wu=Schamane) ! – und auch zweimal “Leben” : (1.Özgür “Lebenskraft” und 2. zweimal Me, me+me, zweimal “Lebensgeist, Sein”) Sehe Wkipedia Wu(shaman) ————— Interessant auch die Bullaugenform
ist identisch mit alten chinesischen Schriftzeichen für Sonne “ri” (und Mond “yue”)
All begun when reading: https://www.ancient-origins.net › co…Cosmic Power of the Shaman and Symbols at Göbekli Tepe – Part II < The H Symbol Ray Urbaniak interprets the “H” symbol to mean double T shapes. Two T shapes butted together form a double T. He also says that Tau represents half of which is in the spiritual world. So, we can imagine that the “H” symbol consists of two Tau symbols The I Symbol The “I” symbol of ancient Mexican mythology not only exhibits a single Tau of two forms, but in different positions, as well as two double-headed figures joined in one, which illustrates the duality, above and below, or heaven and earth. … ….. In Proto-Turkish culture the “I” symbol was called as the “ON: Cosmos”. Interestingly, In Chinese culture “I” symbol represents the shaman or spirit intermediary, so-called Wu. The widespread usage amongst indigenous American peoples of the inverted and upright Tau shape as emblems of the above and below is abundantly proven and doubtlessly arose as naturally as the Chinese characters “Shang: Above”, employed as a symbol for heaven, and “Lea: Below or Beneath”, employed as a symbol for earth. The connection between Heaven and Earth represents the creation of innocence and this is reflected by the central line. … So, I can suggest that the mysterious “I” symbol is about a “Heaven (Sky) – Earth connection: so the life could exist”. In shamanic belief, Earth takes its life force from the sky via the navel cord. Göbekli Tepe should be seen as an important site for this reason. (Interestingly, In Turkish “Göbek” means “The Navel”). In this, creative powers unite for birth or rebirth. Therefore, some specific days are vital for taking life energy from the sky or heaven. Life force is believed to be always there, but not always visible. It is believed to be visible on specific days of year. These days are the equinox and solstice days. On the other hand, the “H” or slanted “I” symbol may be about East-West, Woman-Man or God-Goddess connections.> Mr. Özgür!: H character is not Wu but Gong “work” ! ========= H AND I ARE VARIATIONS OF THE SAME BASIC SHAPE ! Mr. Urbaniak and Özgür reasonings are consistent with my findings: proto-sumerian sign “T”=”Me” in my opinion means Proto-Sumerian/Euphratic “life spirit”, sumerian “divine power, being, ancestor”.
H is composed of two T, so Meme could be related to: – “all divine powers=cosmos” , (2×Me,plural Meme)…or – sumerian healing goddess (shaman?) Ur-Meme, Meme=Gula ===========
It is supposed that at Gobekli Tepe practiced paganist, shamanic rituals. Related to H/I symbols, interesting enough the chinese character for shaman is containing an H character. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman) The contemporary Chinese character 巫 for wu combines the graphic radicals gong 工 “work” and ren 人 “person” doubled (cf. cong 从). This 巫 character developed from Seal script characters that depicted dancing shamans, which descend from Bronzeware script and Oracle bone script characters that resembled a cross potent.>
Yousee we are encountering in H/I shape, twice “shaman” (1.as sumerian Meme,Gula and 2.with chinese character Wu=shaman) ! – and also Twice “Life” : (1.Özgür “Life force” and 2. twice Me, Me+Me, twice “life spirit, being“) See Wikipedia Wu(shaman) Work Ethics and Work Valuations in a Period of Commercialization: Ming China, 1500–1644*
Published online by Cambridge University Press
“Labour” is expressed by the term lao
, which has the connotation of “toil”, “pain”, and “exhaustion”, or qin
, which implies diligent or industrious work. Both refer mainly to physical work, especially in agriculture. Another designation for work is gong
Since this character is derived from a tool-like object, probably a carpenter’s square, it is predominantly associated with craft or proto-industrial production. …..Wu: female shamans in ancient China <Ancient oracle bone inscriptions use wu most frequently in relation to spirit sacrifices and for calls to “bring the wu.”….The oldest Chinese dictionary, Shuowen Jiezi, equates wu with zhu, a ritual invocator, and with ling, “spiritual, divine.” It underlines the female signification of wu: “wu is a zhu (invoker or priest), a woman who is able to render [herself] invisible, and with dance to invoke gods to come down.. Anciently, men and spirits did not intermingle. At that time there were certain persons who were so perspicacious, single-minded, and reverential that their understanding enabled them to make meaningful collation of what lies above and below, and their insight to illumine what is distant and profound. Therefore the spirits would descend upon them. The possessors of such powers were, if men, called xi (shamans), and, if women, wu (shamanesses). It is they who supervised the positions of the spirits at the ceremonies, sacrificed to them, and otherwise handled religious matters. As a consequence, the spheres of the divine and the profane were kept distinct. The spirits sent down blessings on the people, and accepted from them their offerings. There were no natural calamities. [Bodde, 390-1] >
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Also interesting, the porthole shape is identical with old chinese characters for sun “ri” (and moon “yue”)
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Metavirus Metavirüs, Metaviridae ailesindeki bir virüs cinsidir. Bunlar, bir ökaryotik konak genomunu istila eden retrotranspozonlardır ve ancak virüs konakçıya bulaştıktan sonra çoğalabilirler. Bu genetik elementler, konak genomlarında bulaşmak ve çoğalmak için mevcuttur ve konakçılarıyla ilgisi olmayan atalara ait elementlerden türetilir.
https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ Sümerler, hayatın, inancın, teknolojinin, davranışın ve insan koşullarının her yönünü kapsayan benim adı verilen bir dizi kural ve düzenleme geliştirmiştir. Onlar erken dönem kodlardı, insanların okuması ve kendilerini aktarmaları için kodlanmış memlerdi. Bütün bir popülasyonu nörolinguistik olarak programlama girişimiydi. ====================
“Sümer kültürü — bana dayalı toplum — başka bir şeydi.Metavirüsün tezahürü. Bunun dışında, bu durumda, bir DNA’dan ziyade dilsel form.” “Affedersiniz,” diyor Bay Lee. “Medeniyetin bir varlık olarak başladığını söylüyorsunuz. enfeksiyon?
“İlkel haliyle medeniyet, evet. Her ben bir tür virüstü, tekmelendi metavirüs ilkesine göre. Bana ekmek pişirme örneğini alın. Bir kere Benim topluma dahil olmam, kendi kendine yeten bir bilgi parçasıydı. Bu bir doğal seçilimin basit sorusu: ekmek yapmayı bilen insanlar nasıl olduğunu bilmeyen insanlardan daha iyi yaşa ve üremeye daha yatkın ol. Doğal olarak, bu kendini kopyalama için ev sahibi olarak hareket ederek beni yayacaklar. bilgi parçası. Bu onu bir virüs yapar. Sümer kültürü — benimle dolu tapınaklar — sadece başarılı virüslerin bir koleksiyonuydu. bin yılda birikmiştir. Bir franchise operasyonuydu, bunun dışında altın kemerler yerine zigguratlar ve üç halka yerine kil tabletler bağlayıcılar. “‘Akıl’ veya ‘bilgelik’ anlamına gelen Sümerce sözcük, ‘kulak’ sözcüğüyle aynıdır.Tüm bu insanlar şunlardı: bedenleri bağlı kulaklar. Pasif alıcılar bilgi. Ama Enki farklıydı. Enki daha yeni olan bir tr’di özellikle işinde iyi. Yeni ben yazma konusunda alışılmadık bir yeteneği vardı — o bir bilgisayar korsanıydı. Aslında ilk modern insandı, tam bilinçli bir insandı. olmak, tıpkı bizim gibi. “Bir noktada Enki, Sümer’in bir çıkmaza saplandığını fark etti. hep aynı eski beni yaşatmak, yenilerini bulamamak, kendileri için düşünmek. Birkaç kişiden biri olduğu için yalnız olduğundan şüpheleniyorum — belki de dünyadaki tek bilinçli insan. içinde olduğunu anladı insan ırkının ilerlemesi için, onların pençesinden kurtulmaları gerekiyordu. bu viral medeniyet. “Böylece aynı yerde yayılan bir karşı virüs olan Enki’nin nam-shub’ını yarattı. ben ve metavirüs olarak yollar. Derin yapıların içine girdi. beyin ve onları yeniden programladı. Bundan böyle Sümer dilini kimse anlayamadı. dil veya başka herhangi bir derin yapı tabanlı dil. Ortaklığımızdan kes derin yapılar, ortak hiçbir yanı olmayan yeni diller geliştirmeye başladık birbirleriyle. Ben artık çalışmıyordu ve yeni yazmak mümkün değildi ben mi. Metavirüsün daha fazla bulaşması engellendi.” “Neden ekmek yapma işini kaybeden herkes ekmek kıtlığından açlıktan ölmedi? ben mi?” dedi Enzo Amca.
“Muhtemelen bazıları yaptı. Diğer herkes yüksek beyinlerini kullanmak ve anlamaya çalışmak zorundaydı. dışarı. Yani Enki’nin nam-shub’ının insanlığın başlangıcı olduğunu söyleyebilirsiniz. bilinç — ilk önce kendimiz için düşünmemiz gerektiğinde. bu başlangıçtı akılcı dinin de, insanların ilk kez düşünmeye başladıkları Tanrı, İyi ve Kötü gibi soyut konular. Babel adı buradan gelir. itibaren. Kelimenin tam anlamıyla ‘Tanrı’nın Kapısı’ anlamına gelir. Tanrı’nın izin verdiği kapıydı insan ırkına ulaşmak. Babil, zihnimizde bir kapıdır, bir kapıdır. bizi metavirüsten kurtaran ve bize veren Enki’nin nam-shub’ı tarafından açıldı düşünme yeteneği — bizi materyalist bir dünyadan dualist bir dünyaya taşıdı — ikili bir dünya — hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal bir bileşene sahip.” ====== Not: Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işareti “ben” aynı şekle sahiptir
Göbekli Tepe’nin T sütunları olarakas Göbekli Tepe T sütunları olarak
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Kabul edelim ki bende virüslerin özellikleri var. Ama şu ifadelere katılmıyorum: – “Bu insanların hepsi bu kadardı: bedenleri bağlı kulaklar. Pasif bilgi alıcıları.” Pasif alıcılardan uzaktılar. Çalışkan bir nüfustular ve entelektüel olarak çok yetenekli ve yaratıcıydılar. Ne de bununla: “Ama Enki farklıydı. Enki işinde özellikle iyi olan bir adamdı. Yeni bir ben yazma konusunda alışılmadık bir yeteneği vardı – o bir bilgisayar korsanıydı. Aslında, ilk modern insandı. , tam bilinçli bir insan, tıpkı bizim gibi. Bir noktada, Enki Sümer’in bir rutine sıkışıp kaldığını fark etti. İnsanlar her zaman aynı eski meleri yapıyorlardı, yenilerini değil. Kendileri için düşünmediler.” Hayır!: Enki bir tanrıydı ya da Stephenson gerçekten insanların melerini paylaşan akıllı bir lider istiyorsa. Bunlar ilahi bir kökene sahip olacaktı ama bunun bir efsane olduğunu biliyoruz, Sümerler (çalışkan ve yetenekli bir halk) me’leri yarattılar ve sürekli olarak yenilerini yaratma yeteneğine sahiptiler. Ve şiddetle söylüyorum: kendileri için düşünüyorlar! “Yalnız olduğundan şüpheleniyorum, dünyadaki birkaç – belki de tek – bilinçli insandan biri olarak. İnsan ırkının ilerlemesi için bu viral uygarlığın pençesinden kurtulması gerektiğini fark etti.” Bu yüzden benimle ve metavirüsle aynı yollara yayılan ve beynin derin yapılarına girip onları yeniden programlayan bir antivirüs olan Enki’nin Nam-Shub’ını yarattı.” “Belki de dünyadaki tek bilinçli insan!” Yazık olsun. Viral bir uygarlığın pençesi değildi. Nam-shub: “parlayan”, Enki tarafından yaratılmadı ve şuydu:
Wikipedia Asaruludu 《Sümer ve Akad mitolojisinde Asaruludu, Anunnakilerden biridir. Adı da Asarludu olarak yazılmıştır, Asarluhi ve Namshub. Adının etimolojisi ve anlamı belirsizdir. Asaruludu, Sümer dini ritüellerinde şeytan kovucu olarak görev yaptı. Namshub (parlayan) olarak koruyucu bir tanrı, “yolumuzu aydınlatan parlayan tanrı” olarak kabul edilir…. Asaruludu Kuara’nın koruyucu tanrısı olarak, Eridu (Enki’nin şehri) panteonuna dahil edilmiş ve böylece sihir tanrısı rolünü kazanmış olabilir. hastayı Enki / Ea ile tanıştıran bir ara rol. Daha sonraki metinler Asaruludu’yu Enki/Ea’nın zeka, tavsiye ve “geniş akıl” niteliklerini ve ayrıca büyülerdeki uzmanlığı paylaşan Enki/Ea’nın oğlu olarak tanımlar.>>
me’leri de insanlara dağıttı ve bana karşı hiçbir şey (“metavirüs” gibi) yaratmadı; bu son nokta olurdu! Bu nedenle, beynin derin yapılarını yeniden programlamak için hiçbir şey yoktu! “Bundan böyle ne Sümer dilini ne de derin bir yapıya sahip başka bir dili kimse anlayamadı.” Kalk, Sümer dili derin bir yapıya dayanmaz, aksine dil yapısı son derece basit ve mantıklıdır.
John Halloran Proto-Sümer dili icat sürecini görün. <<Diakonoff 1983’te şöyle yazmıştı: “Sözcüksel düzeyde, soyut fikirleri ifade etmek için hiç ya da çok az gelişmiş araçlara sahip olmayan ve dilbilgisi düzeyinde, ‘eylem-karşıtlık’ karşıtlığına dayanan herhangi bir dili ‘arkaik’ olarak tanımlayacağım. . durum’.” “Arkaik bir dilde, ‘zaman’, ‘mekân’, ‘özne’, ‘nesne’, ‘neden’, ‘güzellik’, ‘özgürlük’, “icat”, “çarpma”, “bölme” ve bazıları bize temel görünen, örneğin “karanlık”, “felaket”, “hastalık” ve “acı” vb. arasındaki ayrım gibi, diğerleri, veya ‘iyi’, ‘keyifli’, ‘nazik’, ‘mutlu’, ‘yararlı’, ‘şanslı’ vb. arasında. Ancak, tümevarımsal düşünme, yani belirli olgulardan bir genellemeye ilerleyen düşünce olmadan insan düşüncesi imkansızdır. ” … Diakonoff devam ediyor, “Sümerce, soyut fikirlerin oluştuğu arkaik bir dildir: bu yüzden hem Sümer dili hem de Sümer mitolojisi çok ilginçtir.Özne-nesne ilişkisini ifade etmek için hiçbir aracı yoktur ve zaman fikrini vb. ifade etmek için çok yetersiz araçlardır.” >> “Derin ortak yapılarımızdan kopup, birbirimizle hiçbir ortak yanı olmayan yeni diller geliştirmeye başladık. Ben artık çalışmıyor ve yeni benler yazmak mümkün değildi.”
Eugenrau: ?????? Yeni diller ve diller, Bay Neal Stephenson’dan hiç bilmediği daha fazla ortak noktaya sahiptir. Açıkça bir bağlantı ve ebeveynlik var. “Yani Enki’nin Nam-Shub’ının insan bilincinin başlangıcı olduğunu söyleyebilirsiniz – kendi başımıza düşünmemiz gerektiğinde. Aynı zamanda rasyonel dinin de başlangıcıydı, insanların ilk kez soyut konular hakkında düşünmeye başladıkları zamandı. Tanrı, İyi ve Kötü gibi. , bu nedenle, kelimenin tam anlamıyla “Tanrı’nın Kapısı” anlamına gelen Babil adı. Tanrı’nın insan ırkına ulaşmasına izin veren kapıydı. Babil, zihnimizdeki bir kapıdır, Enki’nin nam-shub’ı tarafından açılan, bizi metavirüsten kurtaran ve düşünme yeteneği veren – bizi materyalistlikten uzaklaştıran bir kapıdır. dünyadan dualist bir dünyaya – ikili bir dünyaya. hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal bir bileşen.”” Hayır !: Bay Stephenson’ın bunu tarihlendirmeye ve onaylamaya istekli olduğu zaman insan bilincinin başlangıcı !? “Rasyonel din” ?? sorunlar” https://bc805.medium.com/abstract-thinkt-how-is-it-significant-and-how-does-it-define-the-basis-for-modern-humanity-a98a5b92fb9f << Soyut düşüncenin geliştirdiği Paleolitik arkeolojik kayıtların alet keşiflerinde bazı ipuçları var.>> Soyut semboller, Göbekli Tepe 9.600 M.Ö.
Her şeyden önce, yazarın antropoloji, psikoloji, arkeoloji, dilbilim ve bilgisayar bilimleri alanlarındaki yüzeysel bilgileri karıştırarak, yazarın zihninde şekillenen bir halüsinasyona yol açtığı izlenimini edindim. Yazık ki, hâlâ kısmen yabancılaşmış bir dünyada yaşayan bizler, tarihsel ve kültürel bir gerçekliğin tecavüzüne ve saptırılmasına tanık oluyoruz. İnsanlığın ilk büyük medeniyeti, bu kadar kolay ve yüzeysel bir yaklaşımı ve böyle bir muameleyi kesinlikle hak etmiyor.
Arkeolojik açıdan, yaşı ne olursa olsun, kendine has özellikleri olan her arkeolojik yer bir medeniyettir, örn. Natufian, Vinca. Bir gönderiden: Tanrı ve Güneş: Göbekli Tepe’deki Yazı Robert M. Schoch, Catherine Ulissey ile.
<< Geleneksel tarihçiler ve arkeologlar, kişinin gerçek uygarlığı tanımlayabileceği üç ana ayırt edici özelliğe sıklıkla dikkat çekmiştir: 1) Anıtsal taş mimarisi, 2) Yerleşik kentsel (şehir) yaşamı ve 3) Yazı. Tarihöncesi genellikle bir toplumun okuryazar olmasıyla eşitlenir; herhangi bir yazılı kitabeleri veya kayıtları yoksa, o zaman gerçek bir kayıtlı tarihleri yoktur ve hem tarih öncesi hem de uygarlık öncesidirler. Ayrıca, geleneksel statüko düşüncesine göre, yazı ilk olarak MÖ 3000’den hemen önce Sümer ve Mısır’da icat edildi; bu nedenle, gerçek uygarlığın başlangıcını bu zamana kadar tarihlendirebiliriz. Ancak, 6000 yıldan fazla bir süre önce Kuzey Mezopotamya’da inanılmaz derecede sofistike Göbekli Tepe sitesini bulduk. Pek çok ana akım tarihçi, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşaatçılarına gerçek uygarlık etiketini uygulama konusunda tereddüt ediyor, ama neden? Anıtsal mimariye ve olası kentsel yerleşimlere rağmen, Göbekli Tepe’nin yaratıcılarına gerçek medeniyet unvanını inkar edecek olan araştırmacılar için en iyi argüman, görünüşe göre herhangi bir yazı biçimine sahip olmadıklarıdır (ya da öyleydi). Bununla birlikte, en son kanıtlar bu görüşü tamamen değiştirdi ve şüphecilerin bile medeniyetin kökenlerinin ne zaman ve nerede olduğunu yeniden düşünmesini talep ediyor.>>
Bu kriterle benim görüşüm Bay Schoch’unkiyle çelişiyor,
1) Anıtsal taş mimari, EVET 2) Yerleşik kent (şehir) yaşamı ve HAYIR (sadece hafif izler) 3) Yazı. HAYIR (yalnızca ilkel bir senaryo+işaret koleksiyonu, ilk yazma aşamasına ulaşmamış) Doğru değil Bay Schoch’un ifadesinin herhangi bir yazı biçimi yokmuş.
GENEL SONUÇ = Gerçek bir medeniyet değil. …..
Ancak çok ilginç bir şey buldum: << Şimdi, meslektaşım Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh’in öngörüsü sayesinde, Göbekli Tepe’de bulunan sembolik gösterim için potansiyel bir bağlam ve karşılaştırmaya sahibiz. Seyfzadeh’in belirttiği gibi, Göbekli Tepe’deki bazı semboller, bin yıl sonra aynı genel bölgede (modern Türkiye) kullanılan Anadolu Hiyerogliflerine (Luwian ve/veya Hitit Hiyeroglifleri olarak da anılır) oldukça benzerdir. Bu tamamen tesadüf mü? olmadığını düşünüyoruz. Gerçekten de Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri ile Göbekli Tepe sütunlarından bazılarına oyulmuş semboller arasındaki bazı önemli benzerliklere işaret eden teknik bir makale yayınladık (Manu Seyfzadeh ve Robert Schoch, Arkeolojik Keşif, Şubat 2019, cilt 7, sayfa 31-53). … Anadolu Hiyeroglif yazıtları genellikle MÖ ikinci ve erken birinci bin yıllara tarihlenir (çoğu MÖ 1300-900 arası döneme aittir). Bu, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşasından 8000 yıl veya daha fazla bir süre sonra, ancak Göbekli Tepe halkı tarafından kullanılan bir yazı sisteminin en azından parçalarının hayatta kaldığını ve bazı durumlarda çeşitli değişikliklerle Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri sistemine dahil edildiğini gösteren dikkate değer korelasyonlar var. – ki bu oldukça anlaşılır ve hatta bu kadar uzun bir zaman diliminde beklenen bir durumdur. >>
Onlar (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) bilmiyorlar, daha çok bilmiyormuş gibi yapıyorlar ve Göbekli Tepe’den nispeten fazla sayıda işaret (12-20?) gösterdiğim son araştırmamdan haberdar değiller, onları çok daha yakın buldum o döneme (2500 yıl daha yakın) Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işaretleri arasında.
Ve sütunların “T” işaretini, “Ben” proto-çiviyazısı işaretinin eşdeğerine sahip olarak tanımlamaktan gurur duyuyorum. İnsan, toplum hayatı, ilahi ilişki alanında karmaşık bir anlamı vardır.
….Ama sanırım önemli bir düzeltmeyle geri dönmem gerekiyor. Anladığım kadarıyla, (aslında başkaları da) toplumu, Göbekli Tepe toplulukları eşi görülmemiş düzeyde bir sistem ve organizasyona sahipti, sadece mevcut Çinli ve Almanlarla karşılaştırılabilir (ama çok ötesinde). : Mevcut işaretler göz önüne alındığında, yeryüzünde yok olana kadar insan türünün, ister “uygarlık” desek, ister “medeniyet” olarak tanımlasak da, ne derseniz deyin, böyle bir düzeye gelemeyecek gibi görünüyor.
From archaeological point of view, every archaeological place with own characteristics, not matter age is a civilisation, e.g. Natufian, Vinca. From a post: God and the Sun: The Writing at Göbekli Tepe By Robert M. Schoch, with Catherine Ulissey
<< Traditional historians and archaeologists have often pointed to three major distinguishing characteristics by which one can identify true civilization: 1) Monumental stone architecture, 2) Settled urban (city) life, and 3) Writing.Prehistoric is often equated with a society being pre-literate; if they do not have any written inscriptions or records, then they do not have a true recorded history and are both pre-historic and pre-civilized. Furthermore, according to conventional status quo thinking, writing was first invented just prior to around 3000 BCE in Sumer and Egypt; therefore, we can date the onset of true civilization to this time. However, over 6000 years earlier in Northern Mesopotamia we find the incredibly sophisticated site of Göbekli Tepe. Many mainstream historians are hesitant to apply the label of true civilizationto the builders of Göbekli Tepe, but why? Despite monumental architecture and possible urban settlements, the best argument, for those researchers who would deny the title of true civilization to the creators of Göbekli Tepe, is (or was) that they apparently did not have any form of writing. However, the latest evidence has completely changed this notion and demands that even the skeptics must rethink the when and where of the origins of civilization.>>
With this criteria, my opinion is contrary that of Mr. Schoch,
1) Monumental stone architecture, YES 2) Settled urban (city) life, and NO (only slight traces) 3) Writing. NO (only a rudimentary script+collection of signs, not reached proto-writing stage) Not accurate Mr. Schoch statement apparently did not have any form of writing.(e.g. proto-writing is a stage before true writing !)
OVERALL RESULT = Not a true civilisation. ….. But I found something very interesting: << Now, through the insight of my colleague, Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh, we do have a potential context and comparison for the symbolic notation found at Göbekli Tepe. As Dr. Seyfzadeh noted, some of the symbols at Göbekli Tepe are remarkably similar to the Anatolian Hieroglyphs (also referred to as Luwian and/or Hittite Hieroglyphs) used in the same general region (modern Turkey) millennia later. Is this purely coincidental? We think not. Indeed, we published a technical paper pointing out some major similarities between the Anatolian Hieroglyphs and the symbols carved on some of the Göbekli Tepe pillars (Manu Seyfzadeh and Robert Schoch, Archaeological Discovery, February 2019, volume 7, pages 31-53). … The Anatolian Hieroglyphic inscriptions generally date to the second and early first millennia BCE (with many from the period of circa 1300–900 BCE). This is 8000 years or more after the construction of Göbekli Tepe, yet there are remarkable correlations suggesting that at least fragments of a writing system used by the Göbekli Tepe people survived and were incorporated into the system of Anatolian Hieroglyphs, in some cases with various modifications – which is quite understandable, and even expected, over such a vast length of time. >>
They (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) do not know, rather they pretend not to know and are not aware from my recent research in which I showed that a relatively large number of signs (12-20?) from Gobekli Tepe, I found them much closer to that period, (with 2,500 years closer) among the Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs.
..But I think I need to come back with an essential correction. From what I begin to deduce, (in fact also others) society, the communities of Gobekli Tepe had a system and organization of an unprecedented level, comparable only (but far beyond) with the current Chinese and German.So the answer is rather this: Given the current signs, it seems likely that the human species will not reach such a level, whether we call it or define “civilization” or whatever you want, until its extinction on earth.
As a result of my extensive study are related to sumerian proto-cuneiform sign Me:”to be,being”. Pillars were inhabiting life spirits, (as if they had souls).
Alles begann beim Lesen: 
Tartaria tablets 
