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A Sanctuary … or so fair a House ?

August 31, 2021

Although this English translation of the theme it seems lame : Göbekli Tepe’s buildings has “so fair a house”. And if the translation were from Chinese,it would have sounded better. As far as I know there was no moment or person directly interested in what they are exactly the enclosures of Gobekli Tepe: temples or constructions for living. The moment when subject raised high and got hot, was when begun discussions and nobody knew what were so called “handbags” on Vulture Stone Vulture Stone, Göbekli Tepe (Illustration) – World History Encyclopedia

I am giving much credit to the opinions of regreted Professor Klaus Schmidt, and at least as much to the researcher Jens Notroff. The latter has a broad vision, a great mobility of thought and a capacity for scientific analysis. In opposition to their views, I believe that if the views of Canadian researcher E.B. Banning despite he have some valuable opinions , his conclusions have no support. ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ Klaus Schmidt

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From https://www.archaeology.org › issues Last Stand of the Hunter-Gatherers? – Archaeology Magazine “a team led by German Archaeological Institute (DAI) archaeologist Klaus Schmidt reached a stunning conclusion: The buildings and their multiton pillars, along with smaller, rectangular structures higher on the slope of the hill, were monumental communal buildings erected by people at a time before they had established permanent settlements, engaged in agriculture, or bred domesticated animals. Schmidt did not believe that anyone had ever lived at the site.

E B Banning:

His paper: So Fair a House: Göbekli Tepe and the Identification of …https://www.journals.uchicago.edu › doi › pdfplusby EB Banning 

From https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/01/24 A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams “Just recently a colleague challenged the existence of pure domestic or ritual structures for the Neolithic, arguing that archaeologists tend to impose modern western distinctions of sacred vs. profane on prehistory, while anthropology in most cases shows these two spheres to be inseparably interwoven (Banning 2011, 624-627). In his eyes, Göbekli Tepe rather was a settlement with buildings rich in symbolism, but nevertheless domestic in nature.” Fig 4 – uploaded by Edward Bruce Banning https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Conjectural-reconstruction-of-the-roof-framing-of-structure-B-at-Goebekli-Tepe-with-a_fig2_259561913

Jens Notroff https://jensnotroff.com/curriculum-vitae/

:From https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/01/24 A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams “From its discovery onwards, the interpretation of Göbekli Tepe’s suprising architecture has centered around the terms ‘special purpose buildings’ (Sondergebäude), ‘sanctuaries’, or even ‘temples’. Naturally, this line of interpretation has been called into question. As already discussed here, it is indeed quite challenging to use a rather strictly defined historical terminology and complex spiritual concepts to describe the material remains of prehistoric phenomena. Even more while cult, ritual and ultimately religion are concepts often cited but rarely clearly defined by archaeologists. …Banning’s arguments that in-house inhumations, caches and wall paintings are demonstrating that ‘the sacred’ clearly is leaking into everyday live in the Near Eastern Neolithic (Banning 2011, 627-629) and that therefore a clear distinction is impossible to define, is valid, too, of course.In fact the idea of manifestations of the sacred in houses or parts of houses is neither new, nor surprising as already M. Eliade pointed out in his seminal work on the entanglement of the sacred and profane.z…So, even though we cannot know if these buildings actually were really meant to house gods or deities, the peculiar role of these larger-than-life anthropomorphic images forming the centre and main element of the enclosures at Göbekli Tepe remain conspiciously disctinctive to the life-sized sculpture heads which were apparently carefully deposited in the backfill. … Summing up, from our point of view there seems to be ample evidence to interpret Göbekli Tepe as a peculiar place formed of special purpose structures related to cult and ritual with distinct and fixed life-cycles of building, use, deconstruction and burial. All of these stages seem to be marked by specific ritual acts, of which the last, i.e. those related to burial and deposition of symbolic objects are naturally best visible in the archaeological record. …If ‘temple’ is understood as a technical term for specialized cult architecture, one could indeed consider this label for Göbekli Tepe. If the term is defined in our western perception as a place where a god is present, maybe ‘sanctuary’’ would be a more neutral description; alternatively the auxiliary construction of ‘special purpose buildings’ (Sondergebäude) may be used to escape any trap of culturally bound denominations.BUT IN ANY CASE ONE THING IzS SURE: THE IDEA THAT GOBEKLI TEPE’s BUILDINGS ARE “SO FAIR A HOUSE” SEEMS NOT THE MOST CONVINCING INTERPRETATION OF THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE SO FAR.

eugenrau:

  • it is an impiety (and only to think, not to mention to write) that the T-pillars with deep meaning and bearing signs with symbolic, sacred meaning could have been pillars that support a roof!
  • – the sockets of the pillars in the bedrock are designed only to support, sustain (even so, precarious) the pillars in vertical position.
  • the T-pillars represent a sacred symbol perpetuated, not forgotten and repeated AT LEAST 2000 years (9,600-7,600)
  • pillars can break easily due to the rock with poor consistency and small thickness.(Blade-like) https://content.thriveglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/mikeyperes2.jpg
  • if they had the support in mind, there is evidence on the site that in the are there were trees and it was 100x easier to make wooden poles.
  • totem poles are never used to support something they are singular, solitary.
  • – even in low intensity winds, the forces transmitted to the pillars would have tensed and cracked very easily. Cannot support stress, (cannot be in slightest measure bended !)
A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams

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A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams
  • -The “bag” symbols have those “bows”/ “handles” offset (forced asymmetrically) only to make room for those symbols.
  • Mr. Banning, in addition to some otherwise common sense and correct statements, even some valuable ones, pushed forward an enormity that by no means finds its place.

Clădirile din Göbekli Tepe sunt „atât de convenabil, o casa”

August 30, 2021

Desi pare schioapa, aceasta e traducerea din engleza a temei:Göbekli Tepe’s buildings are “so fair a house”.Si daca traducerea ar fi fost din chineza, tot ar fi sunat mai bine.Din cate stiu nu a existat un moment sau persoana direct interesata ce sunt exact incintele de la Gobekli Tepe, temple sau constructii pentru locuit. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3-RhylpeHhARqfR27uL73lFhHW7F5ru8y6A&usqp=CAU Din amintirile mele,o discutie aplicata pe acest subiect a inceput cu ocazia disputei a ceea ce reprezinta gentutele de pe "pilonul vulturului"(vulture stone).Imaginea, din 
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Vulture Stone, Göbekli Tepe (Illustration) - World History Encyclopedia                         Eu acord un foarte mare credit opiniilor regretatului profesor Klaus Schmidt, si cel putin tot atata cercetatorului Jens Notroff.Acesta din urma are o viziune larga,o mare mobilitate de gandire si o capacitate de analiza stiintifica pe masura.In opozitie cu opiniile acestora, consider ca nu au sustinere si nici valoare opiniile cercetatorului canadian E.B. Banning ...
Although it seems lame, this is the English translation of the theme: Göbekli Tepe's buildings has "so fair a house". And if the translation were from Chinese,it would have sounded better. As far as I know there was no moment or person directly interested in what they are exactly the enclosures of Gobekli Tepe: temples or constructions for living.                                     I am giving much credit to the opinions of regreted Klaus Schmidt, and at least as much to the researcher Jens Notroff. The latter has a broad vision, a great mobility of thought and a capacity for scientific analysis.   In opposition to their views, I believe that if the views of Canadian researcher E.B. Banning have some value his conclusions have no support. 
÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷                           
Klaus Schmidt :
Din https://www.archaeology.org › issues
Last Stand of the Hunter-Gatherers? - Archaeology Magazine
"a team led by German Archaeological Institute (DAI) archaeologist Klaus Schmidt reached a stunning conclusion: The buildings and their multiton pillars, along with smaller, rectangular structures higher on the slope of the hill, were monumental communal buildings erected by people at a time before they had established permanent settlements, engaged in agriculture, or bred domesticated animals. Schmidt did not believe that anyone had ever lived at the site."                                      O echipa condusă de arheologul Institutului German de Arheologie (DAI) Klaus Schmidt a ajuns la o concluzie uimitoare: clădirile și stâlpii lor multitonali, împreună cu structuri mai mici, dreptunghiulare, mai sus pe versantul dealului, erau clădiri monumentale comunale ridicate de oameni la un moment dat înainte au stabilit așezări permanente, s-au angajat în agricultură sau au crescut animale domestice. Schmidt nu credea că cineva ar fi trăit vreodată in sit. "

E B Banning: 
Din https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/01/24
A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams                               
"Recent, un coleg a contestat existența unor structuri rurale sau domestice pure pentru neolitic, susținând că arheologii tind să impună distincții occidentale moderne de sacru față de profan în preistorie, în timp ce antropologia arată în cele mai multe cazuri că aceste două sfere sunt inseparabil întrețesute (Banning 2011 , 624-627). În ochii lui, Göbekli Tepe era mai degrabă o așezare cu clădiri bogate în simbolism, dar totuși de natură domestică. Fig 4 - uploaded by Edward Bruce Banning https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Conjectural-reconstruction-of-the-roof-framing-of-structure-B-at-Goebekli-Tepe-with-a_fig2_259561913 

Jens Notroff https://jensnotroff.com/curriculum-vitae/ :                                            Din https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/01/24
A Sanctuary … or so fair a House? – Tepe Telegrams                               

"De la descoperirea sa incoace, interpretarea surprinzatoarei arhitecturi a lui Göbekli Tepe s-a centrat în jurul termenilor „clădiri cu destinație specială” (Sondergebäude), „sanctuare” sau chiar „temple”. În mod firesc, această linie de interpretare a fost pusă sub semnul întrebării. După cum s-a discutat deja aici, este într-adevăr destul de dificil să folosești o terminologie istorică destul de strict definită și concepte spirituale complexe pentru a descrie rămășițele materiale ale fenomenelor preistorice. Chiar mai mult, în timp ce cultul, ritualul și în cele din urmă religia sunt concepte adesea citate, dar rareori clar definite de arheologi.Argumentele lui Banning conform cărora inhumările interne, cache-urile și picturile murale demonstrează că „sacrul” se scurge în mod clar în viața de zi cu zi în neoliticul din Orientul Apropiat (Banning 2011, 627-629) și că, prin urmare, o distincție clară este imposibil de definit, este valabil, de asemenea, desigur. De fapt, ideea manifestărilor sacrului în case sau părți ale caselor nu este nici nouă, nici surprinzătoare, așa cum a subliniat deja M. Eliade în lucrarea sa fundamentală despre încurcarea sacrului și profanului. .. Deci, chiar dacă nu putem ști dacă aceste clădiri au fost de fapt menite să găzduiască zei sau zeități, rolul specific al acestor imagini antropomorfe mai mari decât in realitate care formează centrul și elementul principal al incintelor de la Göbekli Tepe rămân în mod conștient disctincte fata de capetele de sculptate în mărime naturală care aparent au fost depuse cu grijă în implutura. ...                 Din punctul nostru de vedere, rezumam ca par să existe suficiente dovezi care să interpreteze Göbekli Tepe ca un loc aparte format din structuri cu scop special legate de cult și ritual, cu cicluri de viață distincte și fixe de construire, utilizare, de construcție și înmormântare. ...                                                              Toate aceste etape par a fi marcate de acte rituale specifice, dintre care ultimele, adică cele legate de înmormântare și depunere a obiectelor simbolice sunt în mod natural vizibile cel mai bine în evidența arheologică. ...                          Dacă „templul” este înțeles ca un termen tehnic pentru arhitectura cultului specializat, s-ar putea lua într-adevăr această etichetă pentru Göbekli Tepe. Dacă termenul este definit în percepția noastră occidentală ca un loc în care este prezent un zeu, poate „sanctuar” ar fi o descriere mai neutră; în mod alternativ, construcția auxiliară a „clădirilor cu destinație specială” (Sondergebäude) poate fi utilizată pentru a scăpa de orice capcană a confesiunilor legate cultural.
  DAR, ÎN ORICE CAZ, UN SINGUR LUCRU ESTE SIGUR: IDEEA CĂ CLĂDIRILE GOBEKLI TEPE SUNT „O CASĂ ATAT DE POTRIVITA” SE SE PARE CA NU ESTE CEA MAI CONVINGATOARE INTERPRETARE A EVIDENȚEI DISPONIBILE PÂNĂ
ACUM." 
Imaginea, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhWe8qGW0AAvoE4.jpg 

eugenrau:                                   
- este o impietate (si numai sa-i treaca cuiva prin cap,nemaivorbind sa exprime) ca pilonii T cu adanca semnificatie si purtand semne cu incarcatura simbolica ar fi putut fi stalpi care sustin un acoperis !        - locasele-postament ale pilonilor in roca de baza sunt gandite doar pentru sustinerea (si asa precara) a pilonilor in pozitie verticala.
- pilonii reprezinta un simbol sacru perpetuat si reiterat CEL PUTIN 2000 de ani (9.600-7.600)
-pilonii se pot rupe usor datorita rocii cu slaba consistenta si a grosimii mici.https://content.thriveglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/mikeyperes2.jpg 
- daca aveau in cap sustinerea, exista dovezi in sit ca existau pomi si era de 100x mai facila executia unor stalpi din lemn.
- stalpii totemici nu se folosesc niciodata pentru a sprijini ceva sunt singulari, solitari.                                   - chiar la vanturi de mica intensitate fortele transmise pilonilor i-ar fi tensionat si crapat foarte usor, pentru ca nu suporta indoire.            
-Simbolurile "gentute" au acel arce, "manere" deplasate (fortat asimetrice) pentru a face loc acelor simboluri.
- Mr. Banning, pe langa niste afirmatii de bun simt si corecte, chiar unele de valoare, a impins in fata o enormitate care nicidecum nu-si gaseste locul.

9600 M.Ö. uygun tanrılar yoktu!

August 27, 2021

Bilim adamları, Göbeli Tepe’nin T sütunlarının tanrıları temsil edip etmediğini kesin olarak bilmiyorlar. Birçoğu (özellikle kazma alanının dışında), sütunlar nedeniyle insansı özellikler tanrılara yönelir. Benim naçizane görüşüme göre, Göbekli Tepe’de tam da insanlığın inancını ruhlardan tanrılara tapmaya dönüştürdüğü ana tanık oluyoruz. Şuradan değiştiriliyor:

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Itibaren, https://mobile.twitter.com/jens2go/status/1104064601988255745/photo/1

(bilinmeyen yaşta), belki biraz sonra? :

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Itibaren, https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2019/03/20/a-rather-odd-figure-the-so-called-kilisik-sculpture-from-adiyaman-turkey/

Tanrı? Ruh ? Ya da antropomorfik ruhlar var olabilir mi? Evet!: Wikipedia:” Antropomorfizm, insan özelliklerinin, duygularının veya niyetlerinin insan olmayan varlıklara atfedilmesidir. … Yaklaşık 40.000 yıl önce, Yukarı Paleolitik’te insan davranışsal modernitesinin başlangıcından itibaren, zoomorfik (hayvan- Antropomorfizmin bilinen en eski kanıtlarını temsil edebilecek sanat eserleri ortaya çıkar.

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“Bilinen en eskilerden biri fildişi heykelidir, Almanya’daki Löwenmensch heykelciği, yaklaşık 32.000 yaşında olduğu belirlenen bir dişi aslan veya aslan başlı insan şeklinde bir heykelciktir.” ”

eugenrau: Animizmde ruhları olan veya ruhları olan birçok insan dışı varlık da vardır!

Itibaren, https://journals.sagepub.com › pdf – SAGE Journals’ <<(i) Uzak ve muğlak olarak tasarlanmış bölgelerde yaşadığı ve müdahale edilmesi çok güçlü olduğu düşünülen antropomorfik ruhlar vardır.>>

Itibaren, https://publishing.cdlib.org › viewStelae: The Emergence of Human Figuration – UC Press E-Books … <<Bu ilk figüratif temsillerin, gerçek bireylerden ziyade antropomorfik ruhları tasvir etmesi sadece tesadüf değildir. Bu yarı dünyada ahiret ile ahiret -yani beşeri ile ilahi olan arasında- süzülenler, ortaya çıkan bir dindarlığın ilk tezahürleridir. …. Sürekli büyüyen bu “öz-bilinç” içinde, kasten ilk mecazi, antropomorfik temsillerimizi oymaya başlardık. Bununla birlikte, en başta, tasvir ettiğimiz kendimiz değil, daha önce de belirtildiği gibi, o muhafızları, insani ve ilahi arasında yarı yolda duran figürleri.>>

Itibaren, https://mythology.stackexchange.com › &#8230; Are there any hunter gatherer gods? – Mythology Stack Exchange <<Avcı toplayıcı tanrılar var mı? – Mitoloji Yığın Takas << Avcı toplayıcılar döneminden tanrıları sorduğunuz gibi. Bugünkü gibi aktif yüksek tanrılar veya tanrılar yoktu. Örneğin Hinduizm perspektifinden Shiva-Vishnu-Devi veya ahlaki olarak cezalandıran Yunan tanrısı Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo vb. Bunun yerine Animizm’i izliyorlardı. Ruhlara veya ruhlara inanan bir yaşam tarzı. Bu ruhlar veya ruhlar sadece insanlarda değil, aynı zamanda hayvanlarda, bitkilerde, kayalarda, dağlar, nehirler gibi coğrafi özelliklerde ve rüzgar, ateş, buz, yağmur vb. gibi doğal çevrenin diğer varlıklarında bulunur. Onlara göre tüm bu unsurlar tutuyordu. güç. Başka bir deyişle, “doğal” dinleri takip ediyorlardı ” Bu doğal unsurlar, bugün bizim tanrı dediğimiz şekliyle onların tanrılarıydı. Genellikle bu güçler ya da Avcı-Toplayıcıların tanrıları çok sınırlı güçlere sahipti, her şeyi bilen, her şeye gücü yeten ve çok fazla ilgili değillerdi. insan ilişkileri ve ahlak hakkında. >>

Itibaren, https://www.encyclopedia.com › me&#8230; Mesopotamian Religions: History of Study | Encyclopedia.com “Antik Mezopotamya dinlerinin kapsamlı bir sunumuna yönelik ilk girişim, François Lenormant’ın La magie chez les Chaldéens et les Origines accadiennes (1874) adlı eseridir. Lenormant, büyücüler tarafından kontrol edilen ruhlara olan inancın erken Sümer (daha sonra Akad olarak adlandırılır) animistik bir aşamasını öne sürdü. Sümerlerin bir tıp adamları topluluğu tarafından kontrol edilen ruhlara olan inançları Sayce tarafından “organize animizm” olarak adlandırıldı. yaşamın tezahürü hareketti” (s. 327). İyi olarak kabul edilen bu büyük kozmik unsurlardaki ruhlar, yavaş yavaş tanrılara dönüştüler. Bir nesnenin veya bir doğa gücünün sahip olduğu hareket gücünün seviyesi, onun doğaüstücülüğü (yani, içinde bir ruhun varlığı). “

Itibaren, https://www.giffordlectures.org’dan › lec… Ders 3: Babil Tanrıları – Eski Mısır Dinleri … “…En-lil’in Sümerce başlığı, “hayaletlerin efendisi- Dünya.” Ama bu yalnızca bir unvandı; “hayaletlerin efendisi”, aralarında baş olmasına rağmen, kendisi de bir hayaletti. Gerçek dikkatle akılda tutulmalıdır. Henüz kelimenin tam anlamıyla bir tanrı yoktu. Korkulan ve yatıştırılan güçler, ölü adamların hayaletleri gibi yalnızca hayaletlerdi ve ikincisi gibi, mezarın ve yeraltı dünyasının sakinleriydiler. Geri çekildiklerinden ancak geceleri çıktılar ve yoldan geçenleri korkuttular. İlkel insan karanlıktan en az çocuk kadar korkar; işte o zaman kötülüğün güçleri etkinleşir ve ruhsal ya da doğaüstü düşmanlar her köşede onu yaralamaya ya da yok etmeye hazır pusuya yatmış olur.Gecenin hayaletleri buna göre nesnelerdir. her türlü hastalık ve deliliğin türediği zararlı varlıklardır.Fakat bu hayaletler bile, uymak zorunda oldukları sihirli kelimeleri veya mistik ayinleri bilenler tarafından kontrol edilebilir.Hayalet ile kurbanı arasında büyücü veya tıp adamı araya girebilir, ve büyüleri aracılığıyla ruhu, acı çekenin bedeninden çıkmaya veya bir düşmanın bedenine girmeye zorlar. Bu nedenle, hayaletin yanında, ruhlar dünyasının hem efendisi hem de hizmetçisi olan büyücü durur.”

eugenrau: büyücü, ruhlar dünyasının efendisi ve bakanı ŞAMAN’dır!

Itibaren, http://sss.trnava.sk adresinden › yüklemeler › gobe…gobekli tepe 2021 – SSS Trnava “Bir tanrıya gerek yok, ruhları vardı. Göbekli Tepe, Paskalya Adası ve Diğer Antik Yerler Arasında Açıklanamayan Benzerlikler.”

https://knotmagick101.wordpress.com › …Rezultate de pe webGobekli Tepe – my uninformed ramblings | Knot Magick <<Göbekli Tepe ilk olarak 1963 yılındaki bir araştırmayla fark edilmiş olsa da … neredeyse evrensel olarak sütunların daha yüksek manevi varlıkları temsil ettiğini öne sürdü. Yerli dinlerin ikinci unsuru ruhlara olan inançtır (çoğul olarak). Dünya ruhlarla doludur – hem ölü insanların ruhları hem de her zaman bedensiz olarak var olan “doğal” ruhlar. E.B olarak Idowu, geleneksel Afrika dini hakkında şöyle yazar: ‘Yeryüzünde kendine ait bir ruhu olmayan veya bir ruhun barınamayacağı hiçbir alan, hiçbir nesne veya yaratık yoktur’ (1975, s.174). Büyük Ruh’un kendisi gibi, bireysel ruhlar da tanrılar gibi kişilikleri olan antropomorfik varlıklar değildir. Onlar hiç bir varlık değiller. Idowu’nun yazdığı gibi, “bunlar çoğu zaman gölgeler veya buharlar gibi neredeyse soyut olan güçler olarak düşünülmez” (s. 173-4). Ve ruhlar, tanrıların olmadığı bir şekilde dünyaya karışırlar. Tanrılardan farklı olarak, ondan asla ayrı değiller, sürekli onun içinde hareket ediyorlar ya da kayaları, ağaçları ve nehirleri içinde yaşıyorlar.>>

Itibaren, Wikipedia/Divinity “Bir nitelik olarak Tanrısallığın iki farklı kullanımı vardır:

1.İlahi kuvvet veya güç – evrensel olan veya insan kapasitelerini aşan güçler veya kuvvetler

  1. Ölümlülere uygulanan İlahiyat ” Yani tanrısallık antropomorfik olabilir. İlahiyat=ilahi güç olarak, bu :ilahilik=ilahi güç, daha sonra Sümer proto-çivi yazısı sembolü “T”:”Ben”, “ilahi güçler” anlamına gelir.

Itibaren, https://www.worldhistory.org › article Enki in Ancient Literature – World History Encyclopedia  “Enki Sümer mitolojisinin bir tanrısıdır ve daha sonra zaman içinde… O, me-s denilen ilahi güçlerin koruyucusuydu”

Itibaren, https://cdli.ucla.edu › tools › archsigns proto-cuneiform signs sign “Me

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SONUÇ: Löwenmensch antropomorfik özelliklere sahip olduğundan ve kesinlikle 32.000 yaşında. bir tanrı değildi, bu nedenle T-sütunları (biraz antropomorfik şekilli) Göbekli Tepe’nin en başında (kat III) henüz tanrılar değil, ruhlar olabilir. Tekrar pardon: tanrısallık=ilahi güçler=ruh(antropomorfik özelliklere sahip olabilir)=daha sonra Sümer Me :”ilahi güçler”ilaç çivi yazısı işaretiyle “T”=T-şekilli Göbekli Tepe sütunları

İnsan özelliklerine sahip başka bir ruh: Itibaren, Wikipedia: ‘Sihirbaz (mağara sanatı)’:”, Fransa, Ariège, Trois-Frères Mağarası’nda ‘Sığınak’ olarak bilinen mağarada bulunan esrarengiz bir mağara resminin bir adıdır. 13.000 civarında. Figürün önemi bilinmiyor, ancak genellikle bir tür büyük ruh veya hayvanların efendisi olarak yorumlanıyor.”

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Itibaren, Wikipedia Deity “Modern arkeologlar artık genel olarak, tarih öncesi heykelcikleri, bırakın tanrıçaları, herhangi bir tür tanrının temsili olarak kesin olarak tanımlamanın imkansız olduğunu kabul ediyorlar. Yine de, antik temsilleri vaka bazında değerlendirmek ve nasıl olduğuna göre değerlendirmek mümkündür. muhtemelen tanrıları temsil edeceklerdir. Avrupa’da bulunan ve yaklaşık 25.000 BCE’ye tarihlenen Willendorf Venüsü, bazıları tarafından tarih öncesi bir kadın tanrının bir örneği olarak yorumlanmıştır. Ain Ghazaland, Çatalhöyük’te ortaya çıkarılan sanat eserleri, muhtemelen karmaşık bir mitolojiye göndermeler yapıyor.”

Itibaren, Of animals and a headless man. Göbekli Tepe, Pillar 43 “Ölümden sonra savaşçının ruhları büyük yeraltı dünyasına indi (Büyük “T” şeklindeki sütunların yaptığı işaret).

https://curiosmos.com › BlogGöbekli Tepe: Ancient Site That Predates The Pyramids Was Built … “Sitenin sütunları, koruyucu ruhları, ataları ve hatta takımyıldızları temsil eden eski totemler olabilir.”

https://a1.monographs.ru › …Masks of Exploit Göbekli Tepe & Pillars of the Pharaoh System “İşaretler, Göbekli Tepe’nin yeniden sömürülmesinin T şeklindeki sütunları, toprağı meydana getiriyor… belki de ölü ataların ruhlarına benzemek için.”

Itibaren https://www.rampagingdinosaur.com › …Göbekli Tepe, mankind’s first step towards civilization – Rampaging … “Sütunlardan birinin üzerindeki insan elinin yakın çekimi, onların ruhları temsil ettiğini ima ediyor.”

Itibaren https://books.google.ro › books Religion in the Emergence of Civilization: Çatalhöyük as a Case StudyIan Hodder — 2010 · Social Science “Paleolitik resimlerde ve ‘Venüs’te insan figürleri görünse de…ama hayvanlar üzerinde merkezi bir insan tanrılığına dair hiçbir kanıt yoktur.”

Itibaren http://ewa.home.amu.edu.pl › …PDFCreated using PDFonline.com , a Free PDF Creation service16 dec. 2005 http://ewa.home.amu.edu.pl adresinden › …PDFC, Ücretsiz bir PDF Oluşturma hizmeti olan PDFonline.com kullanılarak oluşturulmuştur16 ara. 2005 — “…insanların ruh dünyasına aracılık etmiş olabileceğini öne sürüyorum, ancak merkezi bir insan tanrılığına dair hiçbir kanıt yok.

İster inanın ister inanmayın, antik tarih ateizmin de doğal olduğunu öne sürüyor… *Yeni bir çalışma, antik dünyadaki insanların her zaman tanrılara inanmadıklarını öne sürüyor – dini inancın insanlar için “varsayılan bir ortam” olduğu fikrine şüphe düşürüyor. * 16 şubat 2016https://www.cam.ac.uk › haberler › dis…

Itibaren Wikipedia Prehistoric religion “Tarımı baskın yaşam tarzı olarak kuran Neolitik Devrim, MÖ 12.000 civarında meydana geldi ve Neolitik’i başlattı. Neolitik toplum, Paleolitik atalarına kıyasla hiyerarşik ve eşitsiz hale geldi ve onların dini uygulamaları muhtemelen buna uyacak şekilde değişti. Paleolitik’tekinden daha yapısal ve merkezileşmiştir ve muhtemelen hem kişinin bireysel atalarının hem de tüm grupların, kabilelerin ve yerleşimlerin atalarının atalarına tapınmayla meşguldür.”

Itibaren https://www.scribd.com › document Art and Religious Beliefs in The Neolithic and Aeneolithic From… “Bu vesileyle yayınlanan çanak çömlek, ritüel için özel olarak seçilmiş yerlerin mümkün olduğunu gösterdi; tanrıları değil ruhları tanırlar.”

Itibaren https://www.worldhistory.org › Kac…Kachina Cult – World History Encyclopedia de JB Wiener “Hopi’den MS 1300’ler ve 1400’lere tarihlenen çanak çömlek tasarımları…”

Itibaren https://www.scientificamerican.com › …Rezultate de pe webComplex Societies Evolved without Belief in All-Powerful Deity “Politik olarak gelişmiş toplumların ortaya çıkışı, doğaüstü ruhlara olan inançla desteklenebilir, ancak “büyük tanrı” gerektirmez.

Itibaren https://science.jrank.org › pages › R…Religion – Africa – Gods And Spirits – People, Divinities, Orisha, and … ” İlahi hiyerarşide, tanrılar ve ruhlar Tanrı’nın altında sıralanır.

T and H shaped doors, doorways, gates ?

August 18, 2021

Photo: T shaped doorway entrance into the Luxor temple with tourists inside egypt

From Lion Character in the Petrogliphs of Syuniq and the Ancient World Hamlet Martirosyan https://www.academia.edu/12277907/Lion_Character_in_the_Petrogliphs_of_Syuniq_and_the_Ancient_World <<The picture of another Egyptian hieroglyph meaning “door” also helps us to find theintermediate link for the dissemination of that form of ideography from Syunik towardsMesopotamia and Egypt. This refers to a hieroglyph in the shape of a Latin capital letterT (), which also has the meaning “door, entrance, twin frames of door” and the rw/ru reading. There is no doubt that the Egyptian hieroglyph T=rw and the Sumerian glyph T=ME are identical both in their drawing and “passage, door, gateway”, meaning. Howeverthearu reading of the Sumerian ME cuneiform sign has not yet been discovered in Sumeriansources. However if we look at it from the point of view of Armenian homonyms then theME cuneiform sign must have such a reading. The thing is that the ME cuneiform sign hasthe meaning of “underworld, bowels of the earth” (Akk. erТetu), the Armenian of which is«ar, eri/ari”; it also has the meaning of “male” (Akk. zikaru), the Armenian of which isaru“male”. In particular the latter is an exact homonym of the word aru=“aperture,opening, door” the ideograph of which is the image of a lion and it must be amongst the readings of the ME cuneiform sign meaning “aperture, door” >>

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The Gila Cliff Dwellings National Monument

September 25, 2015A MYSTERY WRAPPED IN STONE
Many Questions, A Few Clues, Emerging Answers
The Gila Cliff Dwellings National Monument, located 45 miles north of Silver City in the middle of the Gila Wilderness, is a unique cultural site in Southern New Mexico. Yet, despite 131 years of study and research since the great anthropologist Adolph Bandelier visited the Cliff Dwellings and the nearby TJ Ruins in 1884, and the subsequent discovery of many important clues as to its origin and abandonment, the site is still little understood, its mystery securely wrapped in the silent stones.

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In Chaco, named for its location in Chaco Canyon, architecture was of two main types: 1) massive and magnificent Great Houses soaring up to 5 stories high, built of finely worked, thick stone masonry with unique T-shaped doors  ——————– Is the significance of the “T” shape seen in ancient stonework windows and doors throughout the Americas understood? https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/2vtoez/is_the_significance_of_the_t_shape_seen_in/

Is the significance of the "T" shape seen in ancient stonework windows and  doors throughout the Americas understood?: AskAnthropology

I visited Mesa Verde 2 summers ago and was struck by the T-shaped windows. This shape is found in many places in the Americas, including Mexico, Ecuador, and Peru. (Mesa VerdeChiapas MexicoGila National ParkChaco Canyon) There are even T-shaped doors and monuments at Göbekli Tepe but these are on the other side of the planet and thousands of years older.I was wondering if we understood what the T-shape meant to these ancient peoples and if the significance differed from place to place?

level 1RioAbajo·7y·edited 7yM.A. | Colonialism • Southwestern U.S.

To my knowledge no one has proposed a satisfactory explanation for the T-shaped entries in the US Southwest. It pretty much falls out of the Pueblo architectural canon after about 1300 AD though, which corresponds with a lot of changes to religious practices. Makes me think it might have some religious significance, but that is purely speculative. This book would probably be the best place to start. It may also be relevant to note that is is a particularly Pueblo architectural feature. There aren’t any Hohokam or northern Mexican sites with T-shaped doors or windows (with the important exception of Paquime in Chihuahua). Even if there are one or two I’m not aware of, it definitely isn’t a common feature of those architectural styles like it is in some Pueblo areas. As for Mesoamerican, all I know is that in the Maya case it may have something to do with the written representation of the word ” ik’ ” which means wind, breath, or life. As to your last question, odds are the significance of the shape is different in all these locations. The US Southwest and Mesoamerica have a fairly involved history together, so the T-shape might have similar origins in both places. The prevalence of the shape at Paquime and at Chacoan sites hints at this, since the religious structure of both societies is probably heavily influenced by Mesoamerican religious thought. I would doubt they have the exact same meaning though. South America is an entirely different situation, and as you point out, it isn’t limited to the New World as a meaningful architectural shape. ————————–

https://i1.wp.com/www.pastarunmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/t-shaped-door-Pueblo-Bonito.jpg?fit=511%2C400

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From Significance of the“T” Shape to the Ancient Anasazi, and Possible Connection to India
Ray Urbaniak © 2003 https://naturalfrequency.net/Solstice/Significance%20of%20the%20Detailed.pdf

( “T” & “O” Shaped Spiritual & Dimensional Portals)
It is only recently that we can see the possibility of traveling into deep space via our
engineering achievements.
This will be the fulfillment of the mankind’s dream which has persisted for thousands of
years. However, this does not mean that no one has yet wished to visit the stars. Over
thousands of years, Shamans from around the world may have developed their own
“non technical” means of travel, since technology was not an option. Those with the
spiritual Development, Wisdom, & strongest desire may have already ventured to the
stars. A space ship was not an option, so they pursued the options available to them!
Spiritual Portals & Dimensional Portals were their vehicles.3
A “T” Shaped Doorway
According to Omeakaehekatl(Erick Gonzalez), An Aj Q’ij of the Cakchikel Maya (Mexico),
“The Symbol of I’q is drawn as a “T” ,representing a doorway into the Spirit World and
other Dimensions. The “T” forms half of a cross the other half lies in the Spirit World.
The Wind Spirit, is the half of the manifestation that we cannot see in the physical
realm. Many of the Mayan Temples have doorways and windows in the shape of a “T”.
They are not only physical doorways but also spiritual doorways.
Air is the vehicle into
the Spirit that is controlled by the breath.”4
According to Alex Patterson in A Field Guide to Rock Art Symbols of the Greater
Southwest quotes on page 197, Mc Kern 1978:13,41 .. “The ‘T’ shaped doorways were
found to exclusively offer ingress and egress to and from rooms immediately adjoining
kivas and towers, or situated in towers(at Mesa Verde)(Attachment A).

In sum, there is some evidence to support an opinion that T-shaped doorways were
present only in ceremonial chambers or rooms used by shamans, priests or similar
personage.
” 5 Patterson also quotes Dipeso(7) 1974:324-325…speaking about altar
stones found at Casas Grandes(photo 6), Mexico “Two of the slabs had centrally placed
T-shaped openings through them…The resemblance in the T-shape to those of actual
doorways…suggested that these holes were possibly made as “spirit entrances”.In fact “T” shaped dwellings are also found in Mexico & Peru as well as India.

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When we did reach our destination, there was at least a couple of “I” shaped
petroglyphs
(Photo 1) which could be referred to as double “T” shapes…

Venus, Double-Diamond and "H" or "I" Petroglyphs
Venus, Double-Diamond and “H” or “I” Petroglyphs
https://road2ruins.com/photos-petroglyphs-and-pictographs-from-the-ancient-ancestors/

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Map of ancient Anatolia showing the locations of Luwian (Luwic)https://www.researchgate.net › figure › Map-of-ancient-A.. .
Megalithic sites with T-shaped Pillars west and east of the Euphrates River are indicated in … H“-shaped Luwian symbol is the logogram for PORTA (“gate“;

From World’s First Known Written Word at Göbekli Tepe on T-Shaped Pillar 18 Means GodManu SeyfzadehRobert Schoch
Institute for the Study of the Origins of Civilization, College of General Studies, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=90367

Further supporting a linguistic connection between Luwian hieroglyphs and images at Göbekli Tepe are to date untranslated Luwian symbols resembling the T-shape iconography of Göbekli Tepe and an H-like symbol which was the Luwian word for “gate”. We conclude that the T-shaped pillars at Göbekli Tepe were in fact built and symbolically marked to represent a god, possibly a bull-associated being, which guarded the entry to the human and animal afterlife. ……. The “H”-shaped Luwian symbol is the logogram for PORTA (“gate”; Petra Goedegebuure, personal communication) and is seen in detail for example in an inscription from Arslan Tepe (Figure 10). Figure 10. Luwian rock inscription from Arslan Tepe at the Anatolian Civilizations Museum in Ankara, Turkey; circa 1100-1000 B.C.E. The “H”-shaped symbol is shown marked in red. Image courtesy of Tayfun Bilgin, https://www.hittitemonuments.com, (v. 1.61), modified.

World's First Known Written Word at Göbekli Tepe on T-Shaped Pillar 18  Means God

There are “T”-shaped Luwian symbols, the meaning of which still eludes translation. One such symbol, Laroche #457 (2) (Figure 11) shows a “T” on a steep mount. An example can be seen in situ at Sivasa (Figure 12).

NOTE I allready sustained (as many others” that H SHAPE IS THE SCHEMATIZATION OF ORION CONSTELLATION SHAPE=ASTERISM, WICH IN PREHISTORY WAS SEEN AS GATEWAY TO HEAVEN !

https://people.astro.umass.edu/~arny/constel/orion.html

Gobekli Tepe’s stone porthole, in fact (soul) GATEWAY

https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2017/03/20/guarded-by-beasts-a-porthole-stone-from-gobekli-tepe/

C O N C L U S I O N S -I dare not link Gobekli Tepe T-shaped pillars any further than with sumerian sign me::”being, divine powers”. – Hittite sign T is altar,temple. Gobekli portholes can be connected with luwian sign H :”gate”. – But further we cannot make any link between Anatolian T pillars and Egyptian gate, or much later Anasazi T-shaped doors.

The significance of the ritual center/ sanctuary /place of worship from Göbekli Tepe. What they were used for practically.

August 10, 2021

Researchers do not know or rather cannot say for sure what specific ritual needs the center was built for. The general function of the premises remains mysterious. Are they some cult monuments, sanctuary, non-domestic ritual buildings? .. or temples proper? . That is, it is not known for sure what kind of rituals or activities were practiced there in concrete terms: – multiannual gatherings, holidays, festivals, initiation rituals or related to the cult of the dead and ancestors, cultic feasts, etc. It is understandable that they were led by shamans. There they practiced complex rituals and when we say ritual we say religion.

From https://www.academia.edu › Klaus_…(PDF) Klaus Schmidt Gobekli Tepe | Fatih Gumus – Academia.edu “Gobekli Tepe seems to have been a regional center where communities met to engage in complex rites.”

Yes, complex rites and rituals that contain elements of some forms of early religions, animism, totemism, shamanism. they took place under the umbrella of a common unitary cult specific to the area, which today we would call religion, rituals led and coordinated by shamans.

From https://www.tellerreport.com › life Göbekli Tepe: Festivals and orgies paved the way for civilization … “By erecting monumental statues of their unknown gods, they also laid the foundation for social contact over greater distances. As a reward and incentive for this work, which devoured considerable resources, there were “meals”, which at times probably degenerated into large feasts or possibly even orgies.Since these festivals also served for representation and the exchange of experiences, they also contributed to the progress of civilization.”

See also, https://www.researchgate.net › 2357…(PDF) The role of cult and feasting in the emergence of Neolithic …

My research has led me to repeatedly and even obsessively encounter some elements and ideas that led me to draw some preliminary conclusions:

• The inhabitants of the area adjacent to Gobekli Tepe went through periods of time and moments of crisis and famine in which living and even survival were extremely difficult, so they went through major crises. Survival was on the verge of extinction, so a matter of life and death. This is how I explain the burial moments of the monuments.

• Hunting even if the action is perfectly organized, but also hunting leads to a random result. Even if there are many herds, hunters do not act in large groups. So sometimes gathering several is both necessary and explainable.

The principle, idea, or element that I met repeatedly, returning almost obsessively and present was LIFE. Because it was always present in the concerns and daily existence.

• Then I understood that those hunter-gatherers realized that survival necessarily requires organization, cooperation and unity. That is, quite early there was an understanding of the need and obligation of collaboration. As a consequence they acquired the consciousness of a distinct, cohesive and unitary community.

  • • Regardless of their cosmological conception, the inhabitants of Gobekli Tepe did not make complex philosophies. They probably did not invent or expect the help of any deity-type entity. They did not resort to an intermediary who directly questioned and implored life or the spirit of life. They tried to understand to tame and approach the nature with which they had direct contact. Even if intermediate by shamans. Nature was manifest through spirits.                    
  • • I hypothesize that the T-pillars and the T-symbol continuously represented from Gobekli Tepe (9,000 I.E.N.) until after 5,500 years to the Sumerians (3,500 I.E.N.) the being, the will to live, LIFE in general.
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From http://www.academia.edu › The_ori…(PDF) The origin of Sumerian tongue | Sumerian Language …Sumerian me [BEING] (750x: ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Old Babylonian) wr. me “Being, divine properties enabling cosmic activity; office; .

So in the beginning, (9,600 I.E.N.) there was only the spirit of life that had the dwelling in the T-shaped pillars. In this way the pillar, the stone did not have a soul, but had a spiritual charge, the spirit.

From https://www.researchgate.net › 2700&#8230; (PDF) Göbekli Tepe – The Stone Age Sanctuaries. New results of … << Klaus Schmidt: “The question of who is being represented by the highly styliside T shaped pillars remains open, as we can not say with certitude if concepts of gods existed at this time.So the general function of enclosures remains mysterious, but it is clear that the pillar statues in the centre of these enclosures represented very powerful beings.If gods existed in the minds of Early Neolithic people, there is an overwhelming probability that the T-shape is the first known monumental depiction of gods”>>

I understood that the monuments represent a symbol, landmark and homage to life. Many times the inhabitants went through periods of major crises. In conditions of maximum adversity for the development of life, they restricted their activity and put the monuments in conservation. Then, miraculously, they seemed to recover. With optimism, new forces and hopes continued their existence. They rebuilt the symbols of life and found new resources of hope and faith. The T-shaped pillars have the function of totemic pillars that represent the community, its unity, its solidarity. But also its continuity and strength.

Note. 1. Fertility is the creation and perpetuation of life, so a fertility celebration is somehow one of life. 2. Death is the continuation of the life cycle on another plane. Life and death are closely linked in a natural cycle. 3. At Gobekli Tepe (which is part of Upper Mesopotamia), we have some mounds, it looks artificial and also a temple. In Sumerian literature there is talk of Ekur, the “mountain temple,” and Duku, the “holy mound.”

Additional documentation / A d d i t i o n a l d o c u m e n t a t i o n

From https://www.sumerian.org › prot-sum  The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process John Halloran << “Diakonoff wrote in 1983, “I shall define as ‘archaic’ any language which, on the lexical level, has no or only poorly developed means of expressing abstract ideas, and on the grammatical level, is based on the opposition ‘action vs. state’.” “In an archaic language there are no adequate means, either lexical or grammatical, to express such abstract ideas as ‘time’, ‘space’, ‘subject’, ‘object’, ’cause’, ‘beauty’, ‘liberty’, ‘invention’, ‘multiplication’, ‘division’ and many others, some of which appear to us elemental, as, e.g., the distinction between ‘darkness’, ‘calamity’, ‘illness’, and ‘pain’, etc., or between ‘good’, ‘enjoyable’, ‘kind’, ‘happy’, ‘useful’, ‘lucky’, etc. However, human thought is impossible without inductive thinking, i.e., thought which proceeds from particular facts to a generalization.” “The development of lexical and grammatical means to express general ideas opens the way, on the one hand, for scientific thought, which has as its goal a non-emotional cognition of objects, and on the other, for specifically artistic thought, whose goal is the emotional cognition of man’s attitude toward and relation to objects.” Diakonoff continues, “Sumerian is an archaic language in which abstract ideas were in the making: this is why both Sumerian language and Sumerian mythology are so interesting. It has no means to express a subject-object relation, and very inadequate means to express the idea of time etc.” [From a 1983 paper which, “will discuss the Sumerian numerals from the point of view of their place on the road of development of abstract thinking,” >>

From Neolithic House Party – Eastern Turkey Tours https://www.easternturkeytour.org › neolithic-house-party <<So, our stone turtle dancers from Nevali Çori, a shamanistic dance in altered states of consciousness with mystical turtle beings in a celebration of life and death, or just dinner? >>

See https://www.britannica.com › topic Feast – The significance of seasonal renewal in ancient Mesopotamia … ================= If my opinion that the T-pillars represent the essence and the spirit of life is somewhat singular, instead the vision on the role and purpose of the whole ritual complex, namely that it is a tribute and memorial to life is shared by others:

From GOBEKLITEPE IN TURKEY: THE WORLD’S … – Nikola Benin https://www.turkeyhomes.com › post Gobeklitepe In Turkey: The World’s First Temple – from blog – Turkey … 24 ian. 2019 — <<Theories arose that hunters held food feasts here, as a celebration of life, since finding food was their primary concern >>

From https://tr.pinterest.com › pin 2014/03/09 – YENİ: Göbekli Tepe Haber | Alman Arkeoloji – Pinterest 2014.03.09 – NEW:Göbekli Tepe Newsletter | Deutsches Archäologisches . … <<For them, a funeral is a great celebration of life, much like a ..>>

From Göbekli Tepe: Neolithic Gathering and Feasting at the Beginning of Food Production By Jens Notroff & Oliver Dietrich https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2017/07/gobekli-tepe/ << Large communal tasks executed as collective work events, reflected in the apparently continuous construction activity at Göbekli Tepe, provided a unifying reason for people to come together. Additionally ethnographic studies provide more examples demonstrating that work forces necessary for such collaborative projects can be gathered with the prospect of lavish feasts. That this may have been the case at Göbekli Tepe is further corroborated by a closer look at the massive amount of filling material of the enclosures, which consists of limestone rubble, flint artefacts, fragments of stone vessels, other ground stone tools, and in particular an impressively large numbers of animal bones – above all gazelle and aurochs. These remains hint at the consumption of enormous amounts of meat, most likely during feasts framing these large-scale meetings and communal activities, including monument construction. Repetitive feasting at Göbekli Tepe may have played an essential role not only in creating and strengthening social bonds among the individuals and groups meeting there, but must also have stressed the economic potential of these hunter-gatherers to repeatedly feed such large crowds. In response to this pressure, new food resources and processing techniques may have been explored, subsequently paving the way for a complete change in subsistence strategy. In this scenario, the early appearance of monumental religious architecture motivating work feasts to draw as many hands as possible for the execution of complex, collective tasks is changing our understanding of one of the key moments in human history: the emergence of agriculture and animal husbandry – and the onset of food production and the Neolithic way of live.>>

From What is a Celebration of Life Service? | Lassahn Funeral Homeshttps://www.lassahnfuneralhomes.com › celebration-of-…

Feasting, Social Complexity, and the Emergence of the Early Neolithic of Upper Mesopotamia: A View from Göbekli Tepe “The present contribution explores the possible role of feasting in the emergence of social complexity , hierarchical societies and the shift to the Neolithic way of life in Upper Mesopotamia ….Vast evidence for feasting at the site seems to hint at work feasts to accomplish the common, religiously motivated task of constructing these enclosures.” From https://books.google.ro › booksAnthropomorphic Images in Rock Art Paintings and Rock CarvingsTerence Meaden, Herman Bender — 2020 · Social Science “Gobekli Tepe, Enclosure C, Pillar 12 with her ribs and backbone conspicuously sticking out, which speaks of extreme hunger and starvation

Let’s not forget: an interesting aspect, unnoticed by someone else until now. After sacred precincts were burried, after some time were rebuilt, but they kept the shape of the pillars unchanged, namely that in T. Does this fact show that it was an extremely strong and important symbol that signified something, or maybe it was just the mark, the sign by which that civilization and population identified? The initial meaning may become blurred over time. I have to draw a parallel with the symbol of the cross used for 2,000 years. Here we have 2,500 years (9,600-7,000 B.C.) During the 2,500 years they have not changed shape by a millimeter! Above you have my opinion why.

Semnificatia centrului ritualic, a sanctuarelor/ lacaselor de cult de la Göbekli Tepe.La ce foloseau practic.

August 6, 2021

Cercetatorii nu stiu sau mai bine zis nu pot afirma cu siguranta pentru ce necesitati ritualice specifice a fost construit centrul .Functia generala a incintelor ramane misterioasa.E vorba de niste monumente cultice, cladiri rituale nedomestice ?.. sau altare ori temple propriu-zise ?. Adica nu se stie sigur ce fel de ritualuri sau activitati sau practicat acolo in mod concret: – adunari multianuale, sarbatori(ri), festivaluri, ritualuri de initiere sau legate de cultul mortilor si stramosilor, ospete cultice etc.Este de inteles ca acestea erau conduse de samani.

Acolo sau practicat ritualuri complexe si cand zicem ritual zicem religie:


https://www.academia.edu › Klaus_…(PDF) Klaus Schmidt Gobekli Tepe | Fatih Gumus – Academia.edu

“Gobekli Tepe seems to have been a regional centre where comunities met to engage in complex rites” Lb.Rom.: “Gobekli Tepe pare sa fi fost un centru regional in care comunitatile s-au intalnit pentru a se angaja in rituri complexe.

Da, rituri si ritualuri complexe care contin elemente al unor forme de religii timpurii, animism, totemism, samanism.Indiferent ca unele ritualuri par a fi cazone toate ceremoniile legate de cultul mortilor si stramosilor,ceremoniile si sarbatorile fertilitatii, cele de initiere si toate celelalte se desfasurau sub umbrela unui cult comun unitar specific zonei, pe care azi l-am numi religie, ritualuri conduse si coordonat de samani.

Din https://www.tellerreport.com › life Göbekli Tepe: Festivals and orgies paved the way for civilization … “By erecting monumental statues of their unknown gods, they also laid the foundation for social contact over greater distances. As a reward and incentive for this work, which devoured considerable resources, there weremeals”, which at times probably degenerated into large feasts or possibly even orgies.Since these festivals also served for representation and the exchange of experiences, they also contributed to the progress of civilization.” Lb.Rom.: “Ridicând statui monumentale ale zeilor lor necunoscuți, ei au pus, de asemenea, bazele contactului social pe distanțe mai mari. Ca recompensă și stimulent pentru această lucrare, care a devorat resurse considerabile, au existat “mese “, care uneori probabil degenerează în sărbători mari. sau chiar chiar orgii. Deoarece aceste festivaluri au servit și pentru reprezentare și schimb de experiențe, au contribuit și la progresul civilizației. “

A se vedea si https://www.researchgate.net › 2357…(PDF) The role of cult and feasting in the emergence of Neolithic …

Cercetarea mea a facut sa intalnesc in mod repetat si chiar obsesiv, cateva elemente si idei care m-au determinat sa trag niste concluzii preliminare:

  • Locuitorii ariei limitrofe lui Gobekli Tepe au trecut prin intervale de timp si momente de criza si foamete in care traiul si chiar supravietuirea au fost extrem de dificile, deci au trecut prin crize majore.Supravietuirea a fost la limita pragului extinctiei, deci o chestiune de viata si de moarte. Asa imi explic momentele de ingropari ale monumentelor.
  • Vanatoarea chiar daca actiunea este perfect organizata, dar si vanatul conduc la un rezultat aleatoriu.Chiar daca sunt multi haitasi, vanatorii nu actioneaza in grupuri mari.Asa incat adunarea cateodata a mai multora este atat necesara cat si explicabila.
  • Principiul, ideea, sau elementul pe care l-am intalnit in mod repetat, revenind aproape obsesiv si prezent a fost VIATA.Pentru ca a fost tot timpul prezent in preocuparile si existenta zilnica.
  • Apoi am inteles ca acei vanatori-culegatori au realizat ca supravietuirea necesita obligatoriu organizare, cooperare si unitate.Adica destul de devreme a existat intelegerea necesitatii si obligativitatii colaborarii.Ca si consecinta au dobandit constiinta unei comunitati distincte, inchegate si unitare.
  • Indiferent de conceptia lor cosmologica, locuitorii din Gobekli Tepe nu au facut filozofii complexe. Probabil nu au inventat nici asteptat ajutorul vre-unei entitati de tipul divinitatii. Nu au recurs la un intermediar cia au interogat si implorat direct viata sau duhul vietii. Au incercat sa inteleaga sa imblanzeasca si sa-si apropie natura cu care aveau contact direct continuu.Chiar daca prin intermediul samanilor.Natura era manifesta prin spirite.
  • Eu avansez ipoteza ca pilonii T si simbolul T au reprezentat in mod continuu de la Gobekli Tepe (9.000 I.E.N.)pana dupa 5.500 de ani la sumerieni (3.500 I.E.N.) fiinta, vointa de a trai, VIATA in general.
  • https://cdli.ucla.edu › tools › archsigns proto-cuneiform signs sign “me”:

http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu › te…Rezultate de pe webAncient Mesopotamian Gods and Goddesses – Technical terms11 feb. 2013 — The Sumerian word ME (plural MEs) denotes a key concept of Mesopotamian religion. It is often translated as “divine powers”

http://www.academia.edu › The_ori…(PDF) The origin of Sumerian tongue | Sumerian Language …Sumerian me [BEING] (750x: ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Old Babylonian) wr. me “Being, divine properties enabling cosmic activity; office; .

https://cdli.ucla.edu › tools › archsigns proto-cuneiform signs sign “me”:

Astfel incat la inceputuri, (9.600 I.E.N.) a existat doar spiritul vietii care avea salasul in pilonii in forma de T.In felul asta pilonul, piatra nu avea tocmai suflet, ci avea o incarcatura spirituala, spirit.

Din https://www.researchgate.net › 2700&#8230; (PDF) Göbekli Tepe – The Stone Age Sanctuaries. New results of …

Klaus Schmidt: “The question of who is being represented by the highly styliside T shaped pillars remains open, as we can not say with certitude if concepts of gods existed at this time.So the general function of enclosures remains mysterious, but it is clear that the pillar statues in the centre of these enclosures represented very powerful beings.If gods existed in the minds of Early Neolithic people, there is an overwhelming probability that the T-shape is the first known monumental depiction of gods”

lb.Rom. Intrebarea ‘cine este reprezentat de stâlpii în formă de T foarte stilizați’ rămâne deschisă, deoarece nu putem spune cu certitudine dacă conceptele de zei existau în acest moment. Deci funcția generală a incintelor rămâne misterioasă, dar este clar că statuile stâlpului în centrul acestor incinte au reprezentat ființe foarte puternice. Dacă zeii existau în mintea oamenilor neolitici timpurii, există o probabilitate copleșitoare ca forma T să fie prima descriere monumentală cunoscută a zeilor “

Eu am inteles ca monumentele reprezinta un simbol, reper si omagiu adus vietii.De mai multe ori locujtorii au trecut prin perioade de crize majore. In conditii de adversitate maxima pentru desfasurarea vietii, si-au restrans activitatea si au pus monumentele in conservare. Apoi ca prin miracol pare si-au revenit.Cu optimism, noi forte si sperante si-au continuat existenta.Au construit din nou simbolurile vietii si au gasit noi resurse de speranta si credinta. Pilonii cu forma T au functia de stalpi totemici care reprezinta comunitatea, unitatea, solidaritatea sa. Dar si continuitatea si forta ei.

Nota. 1.Fertilitatea este crearea si perpetuarea vietii, asadar o sarbatoare a fertilitatii este cumva una a vietii. 2. Moartea este continuarea ciclului vietii pe alt plan.Viata si moarteasunt strans legate intr-un ciclu natural. 3. La Gobekli Tepe (care face parte din Mesopotamia Superioara), avem niste movile, pare-se artificiale si deasemenea un templu. In literatura sumeriana se face vorbire de Ekur, “templul din munte” si Du-ku, “movila sfanta”. Documentare aditionala / A d d i t i o n a l d o c u m e n t a t i o n

https://www.sumerian.org › prot-sum The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process John Halloran “Diakonoff wrote in 1983, “I shall define as ‘archaic’ any language which, on the lexical level, has no or only poorly developed means of expressing abstract ideas, and on the grammatical level, is based on the opposition ‘action vs. state’.” “In an archaic language there are no adequate means, either lexical or grammatical, to express such abstract ideas as ‘time’, ‘space’, ‘subject’, ‘object’, ’cause’, ‘beauty’, ‘liberty’, ‘invention’, ‘multiplication’, ‘division’ and many others, some of which appear to us elemental, as, e.g., the distinction between ‘darkness’, ‘calamity’, ‘illness’, and ‘pain’, etc., or between ‘good’, ‘enjoyable’, ‘kind’, ‘happy’, ‘useful’, ‘lucky’, etc. However, human thought is impossible without inductive thinking, i.e., thought which proceeds from particular facts to a generalization.” “The development of lexical and grammatical means to express general ideas opens the way, on the one hand, for scientific thought, which has as its goal a non-emotional cognition of objects, and on the other, for specifically artistic thought, whose goal is the emotional cognition of man’s attitude toward and relation to objects.”

Diakonoff continues, “Sumerian is an archaic language in which abstract ideas were in the making: this is why both Sumerian language and Sumerian mythology are so interesting. It has no means to express a subject-object relation, and very inadequate means to express the idea of time etc.” [From a 1983 paper which, “will discuss the Sumerian numerals from the point of view of their place on the road of development of abstract thinking,”

In lb.Romana: Diakonoff scria în 1983: „Voi defini ca„ arhaic ”orice limbaj care, la nivel lexical, nu are sau doar mijloace slab dezvoltate de exprimare a ideilor abstracte, iar la nivel gramatical, se bazează pe acțiunea opoziției vs. ‘. ” „Într-un limbaj arhaic nu există mijloace adecvate, fie lexicale, fie gramaticale, pentru a exprima idei abstracte precum„ timp ”,„ spațiu ”,„ subiect ”,„ obiect ”,„ cauză ”,„ frumusețe ”,„ libertate ”, „invenție”, „multiplicare”, „împărțire” și multe altele, dintre care unele ni se par elementare, cum ar fi, de exemplu, distincția între „întuneric”, „calamitate”, „boală” și „durere” etc., sau între „bine”, „plăcut”, „amabil”, „fericit”, „util”, „norocos” etc.Cu toate acestea, gândirea umană este imposibilă fără gândirea inductivă, adică gândirea care trece de la fapte particulare la o generalizare. “” Dezvoltarea mijloacelor lexicale și gramaticale de exprimare a ideilor generale deschide calea, pe de o parte, pentru gândirea științifică, care ca obiectiv o cunoaștere non-emoțională a obiectelor și, pe de altă parte, pentru gândirea specifică artistică, al cărei scop este cunoașterea emoțională a atitudinii și relației omului cu obiectele. ” Diakonoff continuă: „Sumeriana era o limba arhaica în care se aflau idei abstracte: de aceea atât limbajul sumerian, cât și mitologia sumeriană sunt atât de interesante. Nu are mijloace pentru a exprima o relație subiect-obiect și mijloace foarte inadecvate pentru a exprima idee de timp etc. ” [Dintr-o lucrare din 1983 care „va discuta numerele sumeriene din punctul de vedere al locului lor pe drumul dezvoltării gândirii abstracte”

Vezi: https://www.britannica.com › topic Feast – The significance of seasonal renewal in ancient Mesopotamia … Sarbatoare – Semnificatia reinnoirii sezoniere in Mesopotamia antica… ========================= Daca opinia mea ca pilonii T reprezinta esenta si spiritul vietii este oarecum singulara, in schimb viziunea asupra rolului si scopului intregului complex ritualic si anume ca este un omagiu si memorial adus vietii este impartasita si de altii:
Din Neolithic House Party – Eastern Turkey Tours
https://www.easternturkeytour.org › neolithic-house-party “Deci, dansatorii noștri de broască țestoasă din Nevali Çori, un dans șamanist în stări modificate de conștiință cu ființe țestoase mistice într-o sărbătoare a vieții și a morții, sau doar cina?”

Din GOBEKLITEPE IN TURKEY: THE WORLD’S … – Nikola Benin https://www.turkeyhomes.com › post Gobeklitepe In Turkey: The World’s First Temple – from blog – Turkey … 24 ian. 2019 — << Au apărut teorii că vânătorii țineau aici sărbători alimentare, ca o sărbătoare a vieții, deoarece găsirea mâncării era principala lor preocupare >>

Din https://tr.pinterest.com › pin 2014/03/09 – YENİ: Göbekli Tepe Haber | Alman Arkeoloji – Pinterest 2014.03.09 – NEW:Göbekli Tepe Newsletter | Deutsches Archäologisches . … <<Pentru ei, înmormântarea este o mare sărbătoare a vieții, la fel ca o…>>

Göbekli Tepe: Neolithic Gathering and Feasting at the Beginning of Food Production By Jens Notroff & Oliver Dietrich https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2017/07/gobekli-tepe/

<< Sarcinile comunale mari executate ca evenimente de muncă colectivă, reflectate în activitatea de construcție aparent continuă de la Göbekli Tepe, au oferit un motiv unitar pentru ca oamenii să se reunească. În plus, studiile etnografice oferă mai multe exemple care demonstrează că forțele de muncă necesare pentru astfel de proiecte de colaborare pot fi adunate cu perspectiva unor sărbători fastuoase. Faptul că acest lucru ar fi putut fi cazul la Göbekli Tepe este confirmat în continuare de o privire mai atentă asupra cantității masive de material de umplere a incintelor, care constă din moloz de calcar, artefacte din silex, fragmente de vase de piatră, alte unelte de piatră măcinate și, în special, un număr impresionant de mare de oase de animale – mai presus de toate gazela și aurocul. Acestea rămân aluzii la consumul unor cantități enorme de carne, cel mai probabil în timpul sărbătorilor care încadrează aceste întâlniri la scară largă și activități comunale, inclusiv construcția monumentelor. Sărbătorile repetitive la Göbekli Tepe ar fi putut juca un rol esențial nu numai în crearea și consolidarea legăturilor sociale între indivizii și grupurile care se întâlnesc acolo, dar trebuie să fi subliniat, de asemenea, potențialul economic al acestor vânători-culegători de a hrăni în mod repetat astfel de mulțimi mari. Ca răspuns la această presiune, noi resurse alimentare și tehnici de procesare ar fi putut fi explorate, deschizând ulterior calea pentru o schimbare completă a strategiei de subzistență. În acest scenariu, apariția timpurie a arhitecturii religioase monumentale care motivează sărbătorile de lucru pentru a atrage cât mai multe mâini posibil pentru executarea unor sarcini complexe și colective ne schimbă înțelegerea asupra unuia dintre momentele cheie din istoria umanității: apariția agriculturii și creșterii animalelor – și apariția producției de alimente și a modului de viață neolitic. >>

Din What is a Celebration of Life Service? | Lassahn Funeral Homeshttps://www.lassahnfuneralhomes.com › celebration-of-… <<E interesant; înmormântările și sărbătorile vieții au multe în comun >>

Feasting, Social Complexity, and the Emergence of the Early Neolithic of Upper Mesopotamia: A View from Göbekli Tepe “The present contribution explores the possible role of feasting in the emergence of social complexity , hierarchical societies and the shift to the Neolithic way of life in Upper Mesopotamia ….Vast evidence for feasting at the site seems to hint at work feasts to accomplish the common, religiously motivated task of constructing these enclosures.”Lb.Rom.: „Contribuția de față explorează posibilul rol al sărbătoririi în apariția complexității sociale, societățile ierarhice și trecerea la modul de viață neolitic din Mesopotamia Superioară …. Dovezi vaste despre sărbătorirea la fața locului pare să sugereze sărbători de lucru pentru a realiza sarcina comună, motivată religios, de a construi aceste incinte. “

A se vedea, Hayden, Brian. 2009. The proof is in the pudding: feasting and the origins of domestication. Current Anthropology 50(5): 597–601.

Anthropomorphic Images in Rock Art Paintings and Rock CarvingsTerence Meaden, Herman Bender — 2020 · Social Science “Gobekli Tepe, incinta C, stâlpul 12 cu coastele și coloana vertebrală care ies în evidență, ceea ce vorbește despre foamete extremă și murit de foame”

….si unde naiba sunt coastele si sira spinarii aici !?

Sa nu uit: un aspect interesant, neremarcat de altcineva pana acum.Categoric pilonii T aveau o semnificatie majora pentru locuitorii arii largi (mai largi decat Gobekli Tepe) unde au fost gasiti.De fiecare data dupa ce au ingropat incintele sacre cand le-au reconstruit, au pastrat neschimbata forma pilonilor si anume aceea in T. Aceast fapt arata ca era un simbol extrem de puternic si important care semnifica ceva, sau poate era numai marca, semnul prin care acea civilizatie si populatie se identifica ? Se poate ca semnificatia initiala sa devina incetosata cu trecerea timpului. Sunt nevoit sa fac o paralela cu simbolul crucii folosit 2.000 de ani.Aici avem 2.500 de ani (9.600-7.000 B.C.)Pe parcursul celor 2.500 de ani nu au schimbat forma cu nici-un milimetru !

Gobekli Tepe: spirit’s souls and demons/ghosts.

July 11, 2021

Soul and spirits are sometime superposing and confusing.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Science <<Many modern scientists, such as Julien Musolino, hold that the mind is merely a complex machine that operates on the same physical laws as all other objects in the universe. According to Musolino, there is currently no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the existence of the soul and there is considerable evidence that seems to indicate that souls do not exist >>

From https://www.researchgate.net/post/What-is-the-difference-between-soul-and-spirit <<Soul has dictionary definition of: the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal. Spirit has a dictionary definition of: the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. However, in online dictionary definitions there were other meanings in which soul refered to spirit in the definition and vice versa. I think the meanings will change according to the cultural and/or religous context in which you use them.>>

Upon definition, soul : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul <the soul is the incorporeal essence of a living being>

SPIRIT

Spirit has frequently been conceived of as a supernatural being, or non-phisical entity ; for example, a demon , ghost fairy, or angel.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(animating_force) <<In folk beliefspirit is the vital principle or animating force within all living things. As far back as 1628 and 1633 respectively, both William Harvey and René Descartes speculated that somewhere within the body, in a special locality, there was a “vital spirit” or “vital force”, which animated the whole bodily frame, just as the engine in a factory moves the machinery in it.[1]>>

Spirit , ideal factor of existence; consciousness , thought , reason , intelligence , soul ; in idealistic philosophy and in mystical – religious conceptions – an element considered as a basic factor of the universe , as opposed to matter , sometimes identified with the divinity , “the Holy Spirit ” [1] Spirit , supernatural entity, imaginary being, embodiment of the souls of the dead; the ghost; spirit

AT GOBEKLI TEPE AND PPN CULTURES OPERATES SPIRIT IN TWOO ASPECTS : 1. SEEN AS ESSENCE, THE VITAL PRINCIPLE, OR ANIMATING FORCE WITHIN ALL THINGS AND: 2. IDENTIFIED WITH THE DIVINITY, “THE HOLY SPIRIT” ; SPIRIT, SUPERNATURAL ENTITY, IMAGINARY BEING, EMBODIMENT OF THE SOULS OF DEAD; THE GHOST;SPIRIT

1(First) impregnate T-pillars and is expressed by T/Tau icon (and later in sumerian proto-cuneiform Me sign)

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Science <<In the ancient Egyptian religion, an individual was believed to be made up of various elements, some physical and some spiritual. Similar ideas are found in ancient Assyrian and Babylonian religion. The Kuttamuwa stele, a funeral stele for an 8th-century BCE royal official from Sam’al, describes Kuttamuwa requesting that his mourners commemorate his life and his afterlife with feasts “for my soul that is in this stele”>>

2(Second) is expressed in antropomorphic traits and in the so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman and Urfa-man statues

Göbekli Tepe before Gods

July 5, 2021

ALL Göbekli Tepe STONE MONUMENTS: PILLARS, SCULPTURES OR POLES REFLECT EARLY RELIGION DEVELOPEMENT STAGES, BEFORE INVENTING GODS. ANY OF THEM REPRESENT GODS PROPER. I AM REFFERING TO THE PLACES IN AND NEAR GOBEKLI TEPE AND TO CLOSE CORESPONDING TIME SPAN.

It reflects animist, totemist, shamanist and paganist stages, and presents corresponding aspects in different measures.

Understanding Religion Evolution: Animism, Totemism, Shamanism, Paganism &  Progressed organized religion | Damien Marie AtHope

Damien Marie AtHope
Understanding Religion Evolution: Animism, Totemism, Shamanism, Paganism & Progressed organized religion | Damien Marie AtHope

Be aware, animism does not mean that evrything has souls ! From Video: We Have Always Been Animists:

November 7, 2019

Graham Harvey
Graham Harvey, professor of religious studies at The Open University (UK), discusses animism and how our relations are damaged by ongoing efforts to separate (human) culture from ‘nature’ and humans from other species. 

From https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/news/2019/11/07/video-we-have-always-been-animists <<So in a significant moment in Hallowell’s 1960 article, Hallowell asks an elder– unnamed in that article, but revealed elsewhere as Kiwich– he asks this man, are all the rocks we see around us here alive? And the old man says– wonderful answer– no, but some are.>>

To be clear, not to be taken ancient people as undeveloped or naive !. Only some natural, raw rocks or megaliths, due of their particular characteristics could be for them animated (had souls, but most frequently host spirits).

From https://books.google.ro › books Silver, Sword, and Stone: Three Crucibles in the Latin American Story Marie Arana — 2020 · History The Mayans, so populous in that verdant, rain- rich terrain, made stone images of the dead and believed their souls inhabited them.

FOCUSSING ON T-PILLARS

T-Pillars reflecting animism:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism << Animism (from Latinanima, ‘breathspiritlife‘) is the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. … Animism encompasses the beliefs that all material phenomena have agency, that there exists no categorical distinction between the spiritual and physical (or material) world and that soul or spirit or sentience exists not only in humans but also in other animals, plants, rocks, geographic features such as mountains or rivers or other entities of the natural environment: water spritesvegetation deitiestree sprites, etc.>>

THIS IS THE CASE WITH T-SHAPED PILLARS, CONTAIN AND REPREZENTS SPIRITUAL ESSENCE, IN MY OPINION (see other related posts) LIFE ESSENCE / “DIVINE LIFE POWER”

T-pillars – Tepe Telegrams
https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2019/03/D1Js5VPWoAA0bxt.jpg-large-571×800.jpg

From Mythical Stone – Page 246 https://books.google.ro › books Mythical Stone << It is not the stones per se that are worshipped in these cases, but the spirits inhabiting them. In other cases it is not a deity’s spirit but the spirit of an ancestor, a hero, or a sacrificial victim that inhabits the stone in order to be … >>

From https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr › …PDF Animals in the symbolic world of Pre-Pottery Neolithic Göbekli … de J PETERS · Citat de 219 ori — rich in animal depictions — stone figurines, sculptures and megalithic pillars decorated … Göbekli people once used to live. … stone spirits or perhaps even demons ?

T-Pillars as idols: I not agree with Klaus Schmidt : “(T-pillars) areantropomorphic idols” but agree “(T-pillars) are idols” From https://www.researchgate.net › 2710… Rezultate de pe web (PDF) The ” Hanging Gardens ” of Göbekli Tepe – ResearchGate Figures – uploaded by Constantinos Ragazas … Klaus Schmidt and others believe these are anthropomorphic religious. idols

See: https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/f0264-siberias-stone-idols/

Modern idol !?

From The Black Stone… An Idol? | About Islamhttps://aboutislam.net › counseling › black-stone-idol

  1. <<When a Muslim prays 5 times a day he should direct himself toward the Black Stone of the Kabah in Makkah. This is while in pilgrimage everyone …>>
  2. The word ṣlm/ṣnm and some words for “statue, idol … – JSTORhttps://www.jstor.org › stable
  1. <<by F Scagliarini · 2007 · Cited by 4 — The word slm/snm and some words for “statue, idol” … Jähiliyyah during their pilgrimage to Mecca. In the … pl. asnăm) and a wooden or stone idol {watan, pl.>>

I believe T-pillars represent something different:

From https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr › …PDF Animals in the symbolic world of Pre-Pottery Neolithic Göbekli … de J PETERS · Citat de 219 ori — rich in animal depictions — stone figurines, sculptures and megalithic pillars decorated … Göbekli people once used to live. … stone spirits or perhaps even demons ?

T-Pillars close or even totem poles:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem_pole <<Totem poles (Haidagyáaʼaang)[1] are monumental carvings, a type of Northwest Coast art, consisting of poles, posts or pillars, carved with symbols or figures. … The word totem derives from the Algonquian word odoodem [oˈtuːtɛm] meaning “(his) kinship group”. The carvings may symbolize or commemorate ancestors, cultural beliefs that recount familiar legends, clan lineages, or notable events>>

This is our case: represents or comemorate ancestors !

From https://books.google.ro › books Silver, Sword, and Stone: Three Crucibles in the Latin American Story Marie Arana — 2020 · History The Mayans, so populous in that verdant, rain- rich terrain, made stone images of the dead and believed their souls inhabited them

LATER T-PILLAR/SCULPTURE ( not far to Gobekli Tepe, from Kilisik-Adıyaman ) COULD REPRESENT GODS:

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2019/03/20/a-rather-odd-figure-the-so-called-kilisik-sculpture-from-adiyaman-turkey/ A rather odd figure: The so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman, Turkey

A rather odd figure: The so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman, Turkey  – Tepe Telegrams

Attention, the sculpture was not excavated by archaeologists, so the exact age of the sculpture is not known, (supposed PPNA-PPNB !? ) From https://www.cuyamungueinstitute.com/articles-and-news/gobekli-tepes-shamanic-birthing-temple/ <<The Kilisik Statue depicts the Birthing Posture with a hole for her vulva and her fetus ready to arrive! … Collins wonders about the significantly placed holed stone, “So if the abstract female form seen on the holed stone in Enclosure D symbolizes the Cosmic Mother, is the purpose of the synchronization between star and stone to indicate she is about to give birth?”>>

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2019/03/20/a-rather-odd-figure-the-so-called-kilisik-sculpture-from-adiyaman-turkey/ << Hauptmann (2012, 22) even suggested to interpret this scene as a ‘mother and child’ motive (known i.a. from two of Nevalı Çori’s clay figurines). In this case the Kilisik example would represent the first female depiction to be associated with the T-shaped sculptures.>>


URFA-MAN WAS AN IDOL ? ( OR ANCESTOR/EARLY GOD ?)

https://www.facebook.com/MegalithomaniaOfficial/posts/1316007498448768/

From https://hi-in.facebook.com › GobekliTepeInfo › posts › c… Gobekli Tepe – Voices of the Dead: The Strange Origins of … <<Turning our attention to the strange, vaguely unsettling appearance of the face, Urfa man’s voiceless image cast by a conspicuously absent mouth and gazing obsidian-filled eyes is hauntingly enigmatic, but offers a link with another class of ancient statuary known as the eye idol.>>

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/11000-year-old-statue-unearthed-siberia-may-reveal-ancient-views-taboos-and-demons https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/03/01 Rezultate de pe web The Göbekli Tepe ‘Totem Pole’ – Tepe Telegrams 1 mar. 2017 — It has the remarkable length of 1,92 metres. The pole features three main motives, one above another. The uppermost …

From https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335716221_What_Does_Gobekli_Tepe_The_World’s_Oldest_Temple_Tell_Us_In_Terms_Of_Religion_And_Theology

GOBEKLI-TEPE IS AN PROPER TOTEM POLE

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2017/03/01/the-gobekli-tepe-totem-pole/ <<The sculpture had been set in the north-eastern wall of a rectangular room of Layer II and was not visible originally due to the wall completely covering it. It has the remarkable length of 1,92 metres. The pole features three main motives, one above another. >>

FERTILITY, FEMALE-related IDOL ?

From NatureThe phallus of the greatest archeological finding of the new millenia: an untold story of Gobeklitepe dated back 12

The phallus of the greatest archeological finding of the new millenia: an  untold story of Gobeklitepe dated back 12 milleniums | International  Journal of Impotence Research

From https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/gobekli_tepe01.htm <<One site was Balikligöl, where the idol was discovered. It is a giant ithyphallic male (image left).

What it represents is anyone’s guess, although it has to be connected with fertility and fecundity of the land.>>

Göbekli Tepe.De ce gentute ?

June 18, 2021

Denumite generic “Gentute”, acestea apar in lume intr-un interval de timp extrem de larg, de aproape 10.000 de ani (9.600 IEN-400 EN).Ceea ce reprezinta trebuie sa fie ceva important, comun mai multor populatii, relativ independent de aria geografica, perioada si culturile concrete. Este posibil ca odata aparut simbolul ( la Gobekli Tepe) acelea aparute ulterior in lume sa aiba o legatura cu primele, sau o explicatie. Putem merge numai dinspre trecut spre prezent. Ceea ce au reprezentat gentutele ulterior nu poate justifica explicatii de ceea ce au reprezentat anterior. Un exemplu concret a ceea ce are rezultat aceasta asertiune: Nu este cel mai potrivit apelativ “gentute” pentru cele 3 figuri de la Gobekli Tepe intrucat nu sunt figurate ca fiind tinute in mana ! … si ca atare pot fi inafara de gentute, inca in plus multe altele. Pilonul 43 de la Gobekli Tepe :”Piatra Vulturului”:

Gobekli Tepe: Does the “Vulture Stone” Depict a Cataclysm 13,000 years ago,  and ANOTHER Due Approximately NOW? | END TIMES PROPHECY
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Atentie: faptul ca manerele nu sunt pozitionate cum ar trebui pentru galeti sau gentute, simetric se datoreaza posibil necesitatii existentei unui spatiu minim pentru figurarea acelor animale !

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Aceste gentute de mana au fost si inca sunt un subiect mult discutat, subiect care a deschis chiar multe polemici. Fiecare cercetator a inceput prin a arata contextul in care au existat si au terminat cu interpretarea lor, de fapt aceasta fiind finalitatea cercetarii, singura si cea mai importanta. Sa nu mai spun ca natura a ceea ce ar reprezenta se aflat intr-o paleta extrem de larga. Incat privit din punctul de vedere al unui cercetator, unele din celelalte ar putea parea chiar rizibile. Multi cercetatori sau “autoblocat” singuri chiar avand o fixatie asupra ceea ce reprezinta ca obiect si nu a ceea ce autorul a vrut sa sugereze sau ceea ce contin. Unii au propus ca reprezinta: – constructii, acoperisuri boltite – capcane pentru animale – apusuri de soare, – cosmosul (!?) Exemplu de ipoteza nastrusnica: Din https://www.academia.edu › <<Uncovering the contents of the three bags and their power … In “The Shaman Phallus’ I have linked the ancestors of Gobekli Tepe to a fertility … In this paper and ‘The Shaman Phallus’ we have established the bags represent shamanic ancestors.>> “posetele reprezinta stramosi samanici”

Chiar arheologul care a descoperit monumentele, Klaus Schmidt in a carui interpretare mi-am pus aproape toate sperantele, as putea spune ca mai degraba ma dezamagit, spunand ca ar putea reprezenta cladirile de acolo (!?) Din https://www.researchgate.net › 2595… Rezultate de pe web (PDF) So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of Temples … 24 sept. 2015 — … or vaulted roofs. The small animals to the right of each “roof” could be clan or house emblems (vaulted roofs=acoperisuri boltite)

Din https://www.easternturkeytour.org › … Rezultate de pe web Göbekli Tepe – Eastern Turkey Tours 22 apr. 2019 — Each of these “bags” with an animal poised right by them, is a simple, but effective animal trap. (a nimal trap=capcane de animale) —————————– Personajele cu gentute in mana ilustreaza ceva de natura magica sau misterioasa. Misterul nu este obiectul tinut in mana ci ceea ce contine el. este clar ca e vorba de un obiect utilitar devreme ce are un maner. Este un obiect mai degraba de folosinta zilnica, vas, cos chiar obiect de cult, generic container.

“What is it with the handbags”? https://www.easternturkeytour.org/gobekli-tepe-what-is-it-with-the-handbags-ask-a-country-boy/ <<A huge amount of energy is expended on the subject of “bags” because this particular accessory seems to appear right across the world in ancient art and monumental sculpture. It transcends both geography and time. It is a ubiquitous feature and, as a result, has invited a huge amount of speculation and generated a huge amount of discussion, often quite heated discussion. The bags are frequently assigned a magical or mystical purpose and additionally, are cited as evidence supporting a range of diffusionist hypotheses.  I am not going to comment on this aspect of the phenomenon, other than to say that in my simple interpretation…..in a world with no pockets: bags. Lb.Romana: O cantitate uriașă de energie este cheltuită pe subiectul „genților”, deoarece acest accesoriu special pare să apară chiar în întreaga lume în arta antică și sculptura monumentală. Ea transcende atât geografia, cât și timpul. Este o caracteristică omniprezentă și, ca rezultat, a invitat o cantitate uriașă de speculații și a generat o cantitate uriașă de discuții, adesea discuții destul de aprinse. Pungilor li se atribuie frecvent un scop magic sau mistic și, în plus, sunt citate ca dovezi care susțin o serie de ipoteze difuzioniste. Nu am de gând să comentez acest aspect al fenomenului, decât să spun că, în simpla mea interpretare … într-o lume fără buzunare: genți. >>

Cu siguranta nu este vorba de manipularea unor bunuri de folosinta zilnica. Imaginea ascunde o naratiune, poveste si nu este vorba de aspectul sau fizic ci de cel spiritual. In container este ceva de o importanta extrema pentru o populatie, ceva destul de important incat sa nu conteze care este acea populatie in mod concret. ————————— Exista mituri comune si recurente mai multor civilizatii precum cel al potopului sau al unui personaj mitic civilizator, (pamantean zau zeitate). Acel personaj a venit cu cunostintele de baza necesare unei civilizatii, fiind inteligent si avand cunostintele in cap. Insa acest fapt nu se poate reprezenta plastic, astfel incat este intuitiv si mai usor de inteles daca a venit cu aceste cunostinte ca si cu un pachet sau cadou. Respectiv continute intr-un gen de container. Este adevarat ca acest continut poate fi unul de natura magica sau cunostinte concrete. Nu uitati ca la asirieni gentutele le tineau apkalu, un gen de intelepti. Din https://wp-en.wikideck.com/Apkallu <<Apkallu (Akkadian) and Abgal (Sumerian) are terms found in cuneiform inscriptions that in general mean either “wise” or “sage”.The term apkallu has multiple uses, but usually refers to some form of wisdom; translations of the term generally equate to English language uses of the terms “the wise”, “sage” or “expert” Apkallu (akkadian) și Abgal (sumerian) sunt termeni găsiți în inscripțiile cuneiforme care în general înseamnă „înțelept” sau “inteligent”.Termenul apkallu are multiple utilizări, dar de obicei se referă la o formă de înțelepciune; traducerile termenului echivalează în general cu utilizarea în engleză a termenilor „înțelept” sau „expert”.O altă utilizare a termenului Apkallu este atunci când se referă la figurine utilizate în ritualurile apotropaice; aceste figurine includ hibrizi om-pește reprezentând cei șapte înțelepți, dar includ și figuri cu cap de pasăre și alte figuri. >> La sumerieni, cunostintele (“Me“!) au fost furate de pasari, vulturi de la zeitatea Enlil apoi recuperate si date lui Enki, apoi populatiei. Observati cum pe stela (Vulture stelae) de la Gobekli Tepe unde sunt figurate gentutele nu intamplator avem figurati vulturi .

Gobekli Tepe | Michael Cope's Blog
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Din http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/enki/ <Tableta a fost furată de un demon rău asemănător unei păsări pe nume Anzu, dar eroul Ninurta a câștigat-o înapoi. > De notat ca in dreapta fiecarei gentute este figurata cate o vietate, animal. Acestea pot fi “animale de putere” sau de ajutor ale samanului dar pot fi si totemuri ale unor triburi principale. Din https://m.facebook.com › posts # 121 Solving the… – Gobekli Tepe Pillar 43 – Vulture Stone | Facebook With each bag or ”Shamanic Square’ representing an ancient shamanic ancestor with their corresponding power animals (Bird, Goat, Bee) . —————————————– Am remarcat un gen de legatura, posibila continuitate intre simbolurile folosite la Gobekli Tepe si semnele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme ulterioare. In cazul de fata, semnul de cos, container din forma pictografica prezenta la Gobekli Tepe a fost ulterior schematizat in forma cu aspect cuneiform, semnul Ga2.

TARTARIA TABLETS.VINCA-TURDAS CULTURE.PROTO-WRITING: Sumerian influence on  Aegean writing

Si din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html semnul Ga2~a1

 From Archaeology of Food: An Encyclopedia Karen Bescherer Metheny, ‎Mary C. Beaudry file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf                         “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”  DECI SI PESTE MII DE ANI LA SUMERIENI FORMA A REPREZENTAT IN CONTINUARE COS/CONTAINER                                                                                                                                                              From  https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp;                                                                              ” GA (pronounced nga,ñá): basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants].
GA (nga,ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 and ma(3)) ”

(DOC) The Ruler as Possessor of Power in Sumer (draft copy …http://www.academia.edu › The_Ruler_as_Possessor_of…

  1. The main idea is that Sumerian ruler was only passive recipient of authority … which consists of three elements: GA2 ‘the container‘, ME and EN ‘governor’.

Apoi semnul proto-cuneiform DUB=”tableta” este identic cu cele de pe pilon. Din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Semnul DUB~c

Tablet Entries – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative – UCLAhttps://cdli.ucla.edu › cdlitablet › showcaseThis Sumerian cuneiform tablet records a list of medical practices and … and the sign DUB,Sumerian reading designating a clay tablet

Radacina lingvistica DUB este comuna limbii sumeriene si familiei I.E. si semnifica “stampilare, imprimare“.Deci acel semn a reprezentat sub forme apropiat-identice initial cos/container. Cand s-a pus problema ce semn sa fie folosit pentru scrib si tableta, desigur ca nu au cautat un semn nou. Au folosit semnul pentru container cu care se transportau tablete si cunostinte.

Archaic Bookkeeping: Early Writing and Techniques of …https://books.google.ro › booksHans J. Nissen, ‎Peter Damerow, ‎Robert K. Englund · <<The Education and Profession of the Scribe MAC CH4 Figure 83. … that the word DUB ( proto – cuneiform sign ) on its own designated the scribe during this early >>

Daca am asocia cele doua notiuni am avea “tablete in container” deci cunostinte. Nota Atentie, noi avem figurata ideograma container/tableta si nu cunostinte.Seturile de cunostinte erau “Me”-urile.(Forma grafica a lui Me este “T”) Din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html semnul Me~a

Sumer – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sumer The story of the passing of the gifts of civilization (me) to Inanna, goddess of Uruk and of love and war, by Enki, god

Din https://5geo.ru/en/shumerskaya-kultura-drugie-vazhnye-bozhestva-v-kakom-smysle/ Some researchers believe that “me” are the prototypes of all living things, emitted by gods and temples, “Divine rules”.Unii cercetători cred că „Me” sunt prototipurile tuturor ființelor vii, emise de zei și temple, „reguli divine”.

DOCUMENTARE ADITIONALA

An introduction to the grammar of Sumerian – CORE de G Zólyomi · << Sumerian is a language isolate with no known ancient or modern relatives. … The reduction of Proto-Semitic gutturals in Akkadian at around this … dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “treasury box”>>

https://ammost.info › dev › graham-… Graham Hancock Explains the Mystery of the Olmecs | Joe Rogan … Mesopotamia and Gobekli Tepe … what a WINDBAG Hancock can be … yes he … At 3:14 it makes sense that the bags represent knowledge for the reason that .

Din https://new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR05wAhHzTlePe1fJCE5q8xUJx7j26bv1SC_omccSdxSO9G3XFeItff544M <<Sum. dub ‘tablet’dubsar ‘scribe’ (‘tablet-writer’), dub ‘to push away, down; to smash, abolish’ (Akkadian translation), ‘to hammer’ (Civil’s Glossary), dubdab-za ‘to make noise’ (PSD), ‘thud, batter’ (CG), PIE *(s)tup/tub/tubh ‘to hit, beat’, Greek typtein ‘to beat, strike’, typos ‘blow, impression of a seal, mould, engraving, engraved letters’, OCS tupati ‘heartbeat’, tuputu ‘noise’; *tap- ‘to press down’, Old Icelandic þefja ‘to stamp’, þóf ‘thronging, pressing’, Russian tópat’ ‘to stamp (one’s foot); *daph- ‘to push, stamp, thrust’, Arm. top’el ‘to beat (clothes)’, depiti ‘to beat, hit’, Polish deptać ‘to tread, trample’, *stab/stamb/stambh/stap- ‘to hit, press, stamp’, Greek steibein ‘to tread or stamp on’, Old Norse stappa ‘to stamp with the foot, beat, pound’, OHG stapho ‘step, footprint’, OCS stopa ‘step, pace’, stopiti ‘to tread’,Punjabi thappṇā ʻto beat, hammer, fixʼ, ṭhappṇā ʻto strike, close a book, stamp, printʼ, Kumaunī ṭhāp ʻthumb impression, sealʼ, Hindi ṭhappā m. ʻstamp, mouldʼ. Old Persian dipi- ‘writing’ is considered as coming from Elamite tippi, more ancient tuppi, supposed to be an evolution of Sum. dub itself. But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress’.>>

Din https://books.google.ro › books Archaic Bookkeeping: Early Writing and Techniques of Economic … Hans J. Nissen, Peter Damerow, Robert K. Englund — 1993 · Foreign Language Study There is , however , a possibility that the word DUB ( proto – cuneiform sign ) on its own designated the scribe during this early stage

Archaic signs UCLA, proto-cuneiform sign DUB :

Tartaria tablets | Tartaria tablets | Page 10

What symbol for divinity is expected, or express better divinity sphere ?

May 11, 2021

THE DIVINITY ICON IS NOT DIVINITY ITSELF ! It is only a reminder, a mnemonic sign. Exemple, nowday christian cross not represent god, it is only a sacred sign. We know our nowdays divinities wich must be antropomorphic, and expect the same for the civilisations of the past. But things not always worked so. Hunter-gatherers had no a very high complex and stratified society, to need an human-like ruller or superviser. They not needed a divinity wich regulate social life as much as divinities wich regulate natural enviroment.Their life passed largely in nature and depended on nature elements. They rely on rather on mountain, wood an animal spirits.

Largely and far away, the sign for divinity is a matter of convention. In greatest measure, all processus happens in our minds. Much important is what we feel and think than what is the real picture or the sharp reality, because the spiritual reality is at human beeings one level above, “1-st degree reality”. Divinity is in fact cosmic powers and order. Image from Magura cave, Bulgaria (~10.000-8.000 B.C. ?)

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Tau cross is not but a cross, one even much simplified. If try to simplify further cannot, cause obtei an turn, turning (L-shape). As divinity is allways right, the cross sign has vertical lane and right angles. Pillars are Orthostates – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Orthostates , upright stones. Thousend years lasting and directed toward sky. If horizontal part of + or T is the earth or sky, no matter, cause we have the vertikal line wich realise the connection. Tau shape/icon is related to: – Bucrania – human torso/body – hammer, ! all symbols of power !

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/ME~a.jpg

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm <<me, mì; gtildee: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. ; v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell. ; poss. suffix, our. ; me3,6,7,9: battle. >>

Sumerian me, has also many other meanings :” ritual, to be, beeing, will to live..”

From https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/cosmic-power-shaman-and-symbols-g-bekli-tepe-part-ii-005194

<< One of the highly disputed symbols is the H-like symbol (and also “( H )” symbol) which is seen carved on  Enclosure D pillars. Some say this symbol emblematizes the Orion constellation. I think this is not true. Because, besides the “H “symbol, there is an “I-like” symbol, which can define as slanted “H”. Both of them are not related to Orion. To provide some intriguing and factual meanings based on cultural and archaeological datas: “H” symbol is not only a monolith symbol itself. It consists of two parts, which we can define as Tau. We encounter the same “H” symbol in Utah petroglyphs which are made by Anasazis. Indeed, we see the complete “( H )” symbol. Here the “H” symbol is not alone. On both sides there are other symbols.>>

See chinese characters “above” and “down”:

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From The Fundamental Principles of Old and New World Civilizationshttps://books.google.ro › books Zelia Nuttall

<<The preceding data, which could be amplified, seem to show that the natives associated the tau-shape not merely with the idea of the Male and Female principles, but also with the Above and the Below, or Heaven (air and water) and Earth (earth and fire). ….. As I shall have occasion to demonstrate further on, the double tau signifies the Above and the Below and their union forming an integral whole. …. I venture to point out how obviously Thor’s hammer symbolizes the union of the Above and Below, the heaven represented by the horizontal line resting on the perpendicular support, symbolizing the sacred pole, column, mountain and tree intimately associated with Polaris, the world axis.>>

Now see at Göbekli Tepe, double tau:

Cosmic Power of the Shaman and Symbols at Göbekli Tepe - Part II | Ancient  Origins
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Circassian (adyghe) “god Tha cross”:

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In a quite restraint area, (allmost the same that of haplogroup G2a) were used in the course of the history at least 3 “T” signs: Gobekli, Caucasus and Sumeria.

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I searched and knocked the sumerian “me” sign all-around in order to find the mistery around it, and the resul was that represented esence of “LIFE“. Very interesting, the egyptian sign for life, “ankh” is very close, beeeng an T-sign and wich has attached an circle or drop-shape.

Originea Gherga: 44. Gherga în N Africii
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So the meaning of the sign Ankh, really is “ETERNAL LIFE”, not simply life.

Ankh – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Ankh The ankh or key of life is an ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol that was most commonly … For this reason, the gods were often depicted in tombs giving ankh signs to humans, usually the pharaoh

SO THE CIRCLE IS CLOSING: IN EGYPT AND ANATOLIA FROM EARLIEST TIME, HUMANS USED CLOSE-SHAPE SIGNS FOR LIFE, ETERNAL OR NOT.

Now see a little surprise: From Old European culture Breath http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.com/2018/03/breath.html <<Now have a look at this: Ancient Greek: ζάω (záō) – I live. This word is actually derived from Linear B “za” symbol which is in the shape of the Egyptian ANKH which means “life”.

oldeuropeanculture בטוויטר: "And it looks like Egyptian Ankh could have  come from Sumerian An+Ki = Sky+Earth = Sky Father+Earth Mother = Life.  From: https://t.co/VM6XSserM1… https://t.co/9l8VlRtt4f"
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This symbol is traditionally transliterated as “za”, but some people suggest that the sign should be transliterated as “ka”.This is very interesting as it shows the antiquity of the “z” root for the word for life. .. So we could say that “breathing”, or “breath” is at the root of life.But I believe that we have even more proof that the “ži”, “dji” root is indeed the original root for the above cluster of words meaning life, living. Let me ask you this question: What does it mean to be alive? Some would say that to be alive means to have a soul still inhabiting your body. Interestingly, Hittite word “zi” meant “soul, spirit, seat of life, person“…At the same time in Sumerian language we find this word: “zi” (ži?) – breathing, breath (of life), life, throat, soul…>>

https://www.academia.edu › HELLE… (PDF) HELLENIC ORIGIN OF EUROPE: Formation of the … The hieroglyphic sign No 18 = Egypt. ankh ‘life, to live’ = Lin. A, B za < Greek ζάω ‘to live’ < Indo –

https://hellas.bab2min.pe.kr/hk/za?l=en << ζά? ; Transliteration: za Principal Part: ζά Etym.: aeolic for διά>>

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B6%CE%AC%CF%89?fbclid=IwAR1QCEsJ5gniJQukLgZW-d3JD2RJ7PtUpRbD09yogb8sEDcs4lwEBdm8OmM << ζάω  (záō): ” I live”>>

https://books.google.ro › books Schrevelius’ Greek Lexicon translated into English … Third … Cornelis Schrevel — 1841 <<Zñlos , envy ; ZA ‘ , , to live , flourish , revive >>

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia_(mythology)?fbclid=IwAR28E53ZkAHghqnWnV5RaDRiMw0sHuXvoevcdxo5drrCOkPvRDIByz5kpd4 Dia (Ancient Greek: Δία or Δῖα, “heavenly”, “divine