Tartaria tablets, advanced research. (Latest). Answers to allmost possible questions.

October 31, 2019

Tartaria tablets, latest advanced research. Answers to allmost possible questions.

Picture,from https://www.descopera.ro/stiinta/3343280-misterele-tablitelor-de-la-tartaria

Map from https://cersipamantromanesc.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/adevarata-istorie-a-descendentei-noastre/

Image result for tartaria alba harta Tartaria village, Alba County

Only three important, crucial issues have been  in the attention of researchers, during decades since discovery of the tablets in ’61, until today.

N.Vlassa , chief in charge at the archaeological diggings. supposed discoverer .               His picture from https://actualdecluj.ro/semnificatia-tablitelor-de-la-tartaria-muzeul-de-istorie-din-cluj-detine-cele-mai-vechi-scrieri-din-istoria-civilizatiei/

Image result for nicolae vlassa arheologul

Image result for tartaria tablets arheologie.ulbsibiu.ro Tartaria groapa Luncii from arheologie.ulbsibiu.ro

But also the same questions still surrounded by mistery, and interesting the audience at the highest level:                                                                                                                            1.real age  2. Genuine?  3. Whether or not carry a form of writing.                                       The answers to these questions will be, each of them detailed and almost dissected, and  have been the result of more than 10 years of dedicated research. Into the field of birth and followed by the evolution of writing in the world, various world writing systems, and then the comparative study customized and applied to Tartaria tablets (Tartaria tablets=TT)

1. Are TT as old as spoken/rumors ?

Various researchers have advanced different ages.There is no convergence of opinions. Their discoverer, N.Vlassa told of about 2.700 B.C. Then others went up to 5.300 B.C. (e.g. M.Merlini).                                                                                                                                             The age of 5.300 BC after me is completely out of  question, and the 2.400-2.700 BC is the maximum extreme theoretical! limit from which I can discuss after my humble opinion. I Will explain the reasons why even this latter age is not possible.

2.What are the arguments of most researchers for these TT ages (after me unrealistic)?

For 5,300 BC :                                                                                                                                          – the alleged finding of the tablets in the layer corresponding to the civilization of Vinca and the age same as of the bones (5,300 BC/C14) assumed to be found in the immediate vicinity. Image, from https://www.thelivingmoon.com/46ats_members/Lisa2012/03files/Tartaria_Tablets.html

Image result for tartaria bones Tartaria Groapa Luncii, female bones dated 5.300 B.C.

At present, very few researchers are still claiming such an old age.                                     For 2400-2700 BC :                                                                                                                               – possible fallen down from above strata, so origin from newer layers (and hence the membership of artefacts to crops such as Cotofeni? Baden? Petresti?) and                          – related assessments of some artifacts found in the immediate proximity of TT, as pertaining to later cultures than Vinca A-C, as well as                                                                   – judgments and comparisons generally related to the time of appearance, and the evolution of writing in the world.

From https://alba24.ro/autenticitatea-tablitelor-cu-semne-pictografice-de-la-tartaria-enigma-pentru-unii-istorici-ce-spune-arheologul-horia-ciugudean-care-in-1989-a-participat-la-sapaturi-400800.html  :

Image result for tartaria groapa luncii Artefacts found alegedly with the tablets,

Image, from  https://fashiondocbox.com/90885882-Jewelry/Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html

Image result for  tartaria groapa luncii Tartaria-Groapa Luncii (the very site where tablets were found)

3.Were TT in that layer (VINCA) ? Were the tablets near the bones?

It is not known for sure;
“there are no photos or sketches, blueprints of the exact location of each artifact, and much more,

  • – Not known who were present/ all the persons close to the moment of discovery,        – where exactly were every of them, or walked in the ritual complex, when and how much time some missed (eg. Vlassa some hours)                                                           – Who was the very person who first saw or found TT                                                      – In fact who first touched them is not known.                                                                   – When, who gathered, packed the artefacts and transported to museum , when and to whom were given, where in the museum were put ?

In conclusion, there are no witnesses and no hard evidence of where exactly where every artefact/item including TT were placed or were found in the entire religious complex.                                                                                                                                               AS A RESULT, I HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE AND CANNOT RELY ON ANY EVIDENCE REGARDING THE PLACE AND MOMENT OF DISCOVERY, AND THE SAME ON ESTIMATED AGE, REMAINING FOR ME THE SINGLE OPTION, THAT OF ANALISING THE SIGNS !

4.  There is available a scientific method of measuring their age exactly?

Their Age cannot be determined with any of the current methods. Worse not anymore, as the tablets have been baked in an owen (who has decided at an unknown temperature is not known) apparent, immediately after discovery, because they seemed to be friable.                                                                                                                                       (Not to be enough, before  chemical structure was changed , as were impregnated with nitrolack !)

5.Could be TT genuine  sumerian or how much could be related to the early stage of the sumerian handwriting?

There are not a sumerian, it is absolutely certain.                                                                          Top researchers in the proto-writing field said that although the signs are similar to the sumerian proto-cuneiform (proto-writing stage), the signs and writing are not authentic/genuine sumerian.                                                                                                              These researchers only mentioned these similarities and differencies in the passage and in a superficial way.                                                                                                                              I went into more detail and explained that the signs are similar in shape reflected only as blueprints, schematic way/sketch the proto-sumerian signs, but they have no their counterpart concrete shape.                                                                                                       Researchers shows shortcomings, they have                                                                                 – not identified all the signs, and they have                                                                                      – misidentified others. (Ex A. Vaiman, R.Kolev and others).                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The resemblance is due to the filogenesis of the writing in general. That is, the connection and the ultimate sumerian origin and transmission of the signs and in fact of many writing systems used in the Near East and in the Aegean area. Such a filiation, apart from the one noted by researchers I.Papakitsos and G. Kenanidis (relative to the Aegean proto-linear writing) is supported and explained by me and in addition and sometimes more detailed. However, I did not think of some assyrologists and specialists in sumerian proto-writing/proto-cuneiform (e.g. Falkenstein, A. Vaiman, R.Kolev) to approach a sumerian interpretation as long as they claim that signs are not proper/really sumerian?

From The Origins of Writing as a Problem of Historical Epistemology                 Peter Damerow https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2006/cdlj2006_001.html

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<<…. early writing systems seems to indicate, as Ignaz Gelb has pointed out in his famous Study of Writing (Gelb 1952: 212-220), that the idea spread in various directions at the beginning of the 3rd millennium BC from centers in Mesopotamia and Egypt. Proto-Elamite writing occurs only a short time after proto-cuneiform. It was used for a short period in vast areas of the Iranian plateau. In the second half of the 3rd millennium BC, writing is attested as far to the north as Ebla in Syria and to the east as the Indus culture in modern Pakistan. Minoan writing starts at Crete around the turn of the 3rd to the 2nd millennium BC. At that time, cuneiform writing is also attested further north in the regions of Anatolia.>>

                                                                                                                                                                   6. What examples could be given  to support the fact that TT are not genuine sumerian ones ?

  • Always the sumerian signs/marks for numbers (with the apparent  D-letter shape) in the Sumer were made by imprinting, but ours are made by tracing/scratching.
  • Sumerian numbers : from https://sites.utexas.edu/dsb/tokens/the-evolution-of-writing/
  • Image result for sumerian 3.200 proto writing numbers (Fig. 2) Impressed tablet featuring an account of grain, from Godin Tepe, Iran (Courtesy Dr. T. Cuyler Young, Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto)
  • Image result for proto-cuneiform Proto-cuneiform tablet (W 9578,g) from Uruk IV, 3350-3200 BC …
  • Only D-shaped proto-cuneiform sumerian NINDA/”bread” sign was traced/scraped. (on the right).                                                                                          Image from https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/488640628318570008/?lp=true
  • Image result for proto-cuneiform school tabletImage result for borger ud.unug proto-cuneiform
  •                                                                                                                                                     (We have on TT first D-sign on round TT very close to it, but not the same.            Image from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html&nbsp;                        
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  • Very many signs though reflecting by general way the shape of the sumerian proto-cuneiform ones, in fact their concrete and exact shape is much more like those that were later used in the Anatolian, Aegean (and even many in the Mediterranean) writings. As well as in the Near East (canaanite, phoenician).                 
  • IT IS A FACT THAT WAS NOT NOTICED NOt A WORD, BY ANY SCIENTIST, (ONLY BY ME) THAT:                                                                                                                                      – MANY SIGNS ON THE ROUND TABLET IS REFLECTING AN EVOLUTION, (CHANGED SHAPES THAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM), REFLECTING A LATER PERIOD OF TIME                                                                                                                                      One example:    Image result for moonlight tartaria     picture from  http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html&nbsp;                                                                                                                       The H-like sign (on the round tablet with 3 horizontal bars) looks much more like, and even is exactly the same as the folowing:                                                                          – the Heth sign from canaanite writing/1.500-1.200 BC,                                                    – the Pa3 sign from the Aegean/2.000-1.500 BC,                                                                     – the archaic ETA/Heta sign from the archaic Greek/ 800-500BC (apparent crooked-looking due of offset vertical bars). But the sign is actually further present throughout  Mediterranean. Only one sign is identical to that of proto-cuneiform, the sign +++++++, the sumerian ‘As’ and another is approaching (the 1-st D), the sumeria sign “Sur“.

The Sumerians, during any period, used a uniform writing corresponding to the time during which the scribe was living. They did not use pictograms and ideographic signs on separate tablets at/in a given time.

7. The shape of clay TT is very important?

I don’t think it is. Image from https://www2.uned.es/geo-1-historia-antigua-universal/ESCRITURAS_ANTIGUA/Escrituras_3__antiguas_BALKAN_DANUBE-SCRIPT.htm

 Clay disc from Vinca, Serbia

Otherwise I know more examples  round tablets.                                                                  Sumerian star map, from                                                                                 https://curiosmos.com/this-5500-year-old-sumerian-star-map-recorded-the-impact-of-a-massive-asteroid/

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and none sumerian ones with a hole. Then the Cretan tablets with the hole, but not perfectly round-shaped.

 Linear Script A/ http://arthistoryresources.net/greek-art-archaeology-2016/minoan-outline.html , and round ball:

 Cypro-Minoan clay ball in Louvre, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypro-Minoan_syllabary

Folowing Karanovo tablet http://institutet-science.com/sakralna-plochica-karanovo/?lang=en

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Another round tablet & holes, from Tartaria : https://adevarul.ro/locale/alba-iulia/tablita-secreta-tartaria-contine-obiectul-arheologic-descoperit-2014-semnele-erau-ascunse-privitorilor-1_57fcfa425ab6550cb876646f/index.html

Image result for tartaria tablet

Then the discussion about how flat or swelling/bulged are some or others do not see to be much productive.

 8. Are the TT genuine ?

YES. (More so yes than no! )                                                                                                                ( partly No, because it does not seem to be the result of a one’s intention to communicate by writing something connected with a particular economic or religious necessity.)

Yes, because the one who wrote them didn’t intended to fool somebody and whatever intented (we do not know what), the scribe was fair intended. It seems he wanted rather to practice the evolution of  writing or to show someone the same evolution and basic principles of writing.                                                                                                                     Maybe at the best succeded to write a short ritualic formula or short written economical token.

9. If the “writer” intended to show the evolution and writing principles, could be like/kind ofsumerian-like school scribal tablets ?

Definitely no. Because school scribal tablets:                                                                                  – put youngsters to copy teacher’s texts,                                                                                         – to divide tablets in writing sectors, and                                                                                    – were quite repetitive in content, as containing lexical lists, eg. of things, ocupations, etc.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         From The tablet House: a scribal school in old Babylonian Nippur Eleanor Robson https://www.cairn.info/revue-d-assyriologie-2001-1-page-39.htm#

  • Types of school scribe, writing-learning tablets:

Table 1

Table 3 The order of the elementary curriculum in House F[20]
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10. What is the point, or why there are 3 tablets together?

The question can be asked because if you have something to say, you write everything on a tablet and  not spreading the message in three different places. Or at least write using the same writing system.                                                                                                 The answer is that he wanted to show the evolution of the writing from icons to ideograms, and even to some extent to syllables and letters.                                          We have                                                                                                                                                   – a rectangular (without hole) tablet with icons.                                                                            – another rectangular tablet (with hole) with ideograms.(These ideograms/logograms may have in the extreme the function of syllabograms)                                                         – a Round tablet (with hole) to all appearances shows the Aegean syllabograms, or even letters (Anatolian/archaic Greek).                                                                                              (except for 2 complex rituallic? marks/ideograms present in the right-hand lower quarter).

11. Are there any cases in the world of using by the same scribe of two or three writing systems?

Only exceptionally, two, e.g. the Roseta stone written with Egyptian hierogliphs and Greek letters, but there is no known case in which 3 writing systems appear (as in our case) and not with systems whose temporal spread  covers 2000-3000 years!      (Sumerian proto-cuneiform 3.300BC, Cretan  Hierogliphic 2,000 BC, linear A/B 1500 BC, Greek archaic writing 800-300BC) >> time span 3.000 years !

12. Is it claimed that the (by somewhat majority) the assumption  that the signs were used at religious ceremonies?

Although researchers make reference some for economic use and others for religious, none of them fully supports or demonstrate any of the alternatives. In other words, leave open the way for any interpretation (including a mixed one !?)
The scales is serious inclining for yes.                                                                                      (only slightly Not, since                                                                                                                        – the tablets contain only 2 complex ideograms (in the round of the right-bottom quarter) that could play a role in religious ceremonies,  otherwise all signs were used in different areas by different civilizations for true writing !                                                                           – many researchers noticed possible number marks, so economical purpose)                                Mainly Yes, since the round plate contains in the right-hand-bottom quarter 2 complex ideograms and in addition the rectangular one with the hole contains many ideograms/logograms, all of which are applicable to religious rites.                               And again, yes, as  it is possible that ONLY the upper half of the round tablet  contain a written/verbal/ritualic formula for use in such ceremonies. This may be, or sure it is the explanation, that this portion was usually hidden from the direct view of the passers-by, being covered by the rectangular one.

13. What about  scribe’s training on writing?

Most researchers claim that he was almost illiterated. I support the same idea. It seems that in general the tablets were covered with many signs from different writing systems and the only section where the scribe has managed to write is the upper half of the round tablet. Probably he was aware of this fact from the very beginning!                       (!…iliterated, but how happened he had the ability and the science to display signs used in large spatial and temporal expansion !)                                                                                          Having access to a large sign library, and an ordered, organized character of the signs on 3 different tablets,                                                                                                                                – Now, I am seeing the scribe different as in the past time, not as a person close to illiterate but maybe a priest(ess) ?, or rather kind of Berossus of his time !

14.How much new in extreme, could be the tablets ?

Theoretically and practically it could reach the very period of  archaic Greek writing 800-300 BC or that of the etheocretan wich goes/rich to our era/AC. 

From Wikimedia Commons,File:CretanEpichoricAlphabets.png

File:CretanEpichoricAlphabets.pngBut it is excluded to be newer from the early Middle Ages due to certain aging traces. The possibility of a inscription of recent date does not exceed that of being written, by a catholic teacher-priest !!!, (… who had access to old writings and documents.)                          The tablets are shown as a collection of signs, apparently scattered from different areas and periods of time, but nevertheless ordered and somehow divided into three major  evolution of writing categories.                                                                                                  Who could have done this? It is all easier when we are approaching modern times ? where the possibility of access to signs used in the past is increasing.

15. The signs on the tablets belong to or are placed in a specific, particular writing in the world?

No! In fact my entire work mainly includes the testing of the various writing systems. Unfortunately no tablet is matching entirely with one writing. But no chance for all 3 tablets simultaneously ! The greatest closeness, that is, the largest number of signs can be found in the Sumerian proto-cuneiform and almost equal to the letters of the Anatolian writings.(the signs are found in the various Anatolian writings, the top being the carian writing/alphabets).

From Alphabets of Asia Minor https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

Then follows a series of Mediteranean writings, in the top  being Aegean  writings.               For these reasons, the writing and of course the tablets seem to have a subsequent age newer  of 2.400 BC. (See also Cretan hierogglyphic 2200-2000 BC ,linear A, 1800-1500 BC). None of the tablets can be read using a specific writing for each/no match. Much impossible to read/read using a single  writing system for all three !

16. Strictly on sign appreciation What age could be given to the  the signs ?

Although many signs and to a large extent only “look-like” the sumerian ones reflecting only by far their shape, in the general signs show to be much more recent (new). Unfortunately, a few (really few)  have not been used in the concrete form present on tablets absolutely no in the world before 1,200-1,500 BC !(e.g. sign D ; …oops present in Indus/Harappa writing)

From https://sites.google.com/site/collesseum/qeiyafa-ostracon-2

                                                              Khirbet Qeiyafa ostracon (1.000 B.C. ?)

17. The tablets belong to  Danube, Old Europe, or a Daco-Thracian civilisations ?

No, the Danube civilization/The Old Europe has come close, but it hasn’t even reached the stage of the proto-writing. cause was not a highly socially stratified society in this area, and there were no mach attraction or dedication to writing. In fact, the  tablets are singletones,  absolute unique. The tablets of Gradeshnita, Karanovo, Dispilio belong to other cultures and other phases of writing evolution (proto-writing).                     Regarding Cris-starcevo and Vinca Civilisations:

From Ancient DNA from South-East Europe Reveals Different Events during Early and Middle Neolithic Influencing the European Genetic Heritage https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0128810

“Firstly, archaeological data show that the Neolithic expansion from Anatolia was not a single event but was represented by several waves of migrants [24]. In this respect the Proto-Sesklo culture in Greece, from which directly Starčevo-Criş in the North Balkans and indirectly LBK in Central Europe originate [2526] represents only the first great wave of Neolithisation of Europe [27]. A later great wave of migration from North-West Anatolia led to important cultures of South-Eastern Europe such as Vinča and Boian cultures [28].                                                                                                                               …………..The first Neolithic inhabitants of Europe are described archeologically as belonging to the Aegean Early Neolithic cultures [27], from which the bearers of both the Starčevo-Criş-Körös complex in Serbia, Romania and Hungary [2837] and the Linear Pottery culture in Central Europe (LBK) [21] emerged.                                                          …………These data are in line with the idea of a common origin of the LBK and Starčevo-Criş cultures from the Aegean Neolithic cultures of Northern Greece/Thessaly, the first Neolithic complex in Europe [24].                                                                                     ……………..Fernandez E, Perez-Perez A, Gamba C, Prats E, Cuesta P, Anfruns J, et al. (2014) Ancient DNA Analysis of 8000 B.C Near Eastern Farmers supports an Early Neolithic Pioneer Maritime colonization of Mainland Europe through Cyprus and the Aegean Islans. “

18. Was the scribe a native of Tartaria ?

Definitely not ! The local community did not know the writing. The tablets were inscribed by an individual of different origin. From Anatolia and possibly from the Egeana area (Crete ?), or if you want of proto-Greek origin. Note that Anatolia is close, bordering  the Aegean, Syrian and Danube areas; (there are also indications of the presence of Anatolian craftsmen in the area of Vinca). TT could, however, be effectively inscribed by that person in his home-place or in extreme even in Tartaria.

19. What made for living the scribe; what could be his occupation/profession  ?

Others opinion is the same as mine, could be an prospector, craftsmen but much sure tradesman.

20.From the perspective of the evolution and existence of all writing systems in the world, which is the location occupied by TT signs ?

Here I have to say that because of the great similarity of the signs with the sumerian proto-cuneiform shapes, as well as the written signs used in the Aegean and Anatolia, to a large extent, it was possible and relatively easy interpretation of TT using each or any of these above writings This shows on the one hand the origin of the writing, but also the spread of the writing in space and time. The scribe and signs were coming  from somewhere in the space delimited by these civilizations.

From Writing in Neolithic Europe; an Aegean origin?  https://novoscriptorium.com/2019/09/28/writing-in-neolithic-europe-an-aegean-origin/

“For many years the earliest writing was assumed to have originated in Uruk, in Sumeria, Mesopotamia c. 3100 BC. Evidence from Egypt has now dated writing to c. 3400-3200 BC, while evidence from the Indus Valley suggests a date of 3500 BC for the development of writing there.  In the 1980s, a system of writing was noticed in the Balkans of the Final Neolithic period. This was identified as “pre-writing” by Shan Winn (1981) and Emilia Masson (1984) who considered whether this constituted a Vinča “script.” They each concluded that the Vinča signs represented a “precursor” to writing.

 

…   The Neolithic expansion, as is generally accepted in our time, started from the Aegean towards the North and not the opposite (of course, there also exists the controversial issue of some supposed initial migrations from Anatolia-Near East which, as we have presented with the help of officially published material, do not seem to be the case. It is more likely that domesticated seeds and animals were adopted by the Aegeans, through Trade, from the East rather than that the Aegeans were…substituted by some ‘ghost’ Eastern population that does not at all culturally-archaeologically appear in the Aegean or Southeastern Europe during the Neolithic). Therefore we must derive that Writing expanded from the Aegean to the North and not the opposite as some researchers have suggested in the past.”

 

21. The tablets could carry real script /true writing ?

 General opinion of scientists and scholars specialised in proto-writing is pointing for NO. Cause they realised that the signs are similar to those used in proto-writing, namely the proto-cuneiform signs. The use of proto-cuneiform signs is conducting only and unique to proto-writing ! And because almost all the signs are similar to those proto-sumerian it is about sumerian proto-writing.

Scientists also noticed that part of the signs are not identical in shape with those sumerian-ones, but probably thought that are a kind of variant, local adaptation, without explaining or detailing where or how this could happened. Thus begining with a basically “sumerian interpretation” their’s are in general close one to another and also close to mine.  Some told of economical tablets, seeing on the upper-right part of the round tablet only cereals and numbers.                                                                                                  But if taking as true that this section had ezoteric content and was intentionally hidden, it is cristal-clear that nobody was hiding numbers ! So numbers or ezoteric content, only one out of twoo !                                                                                                       But others, were pointing to an religious content, and not few saw ideograms wich not only could be used in religious rituals but in fact were practically used as such on a larger scale. In reality, the signs could be used for both purposes. In and describing an offering ritual ( cereals/bread and animals/goats). What I noticed myself that those ideograms are somehow similar to those used in ancient Aegean writings, (Cretan hierogliphic and Linear A), with the  result close interpretation. (even if  the signs are much close to those sumerian ones. )                                                                                    Exemple of closeness/similarities of Aegean signs to those sumerian ones:                                                              

Semn sumerian    Semn Egeean          Semnificatie                                                                             As,Se                          Te                          Cereale                                                                                  Gu,Gud                      Mu                           taur                                                                               Amar                        (a)Ma                     vitel/zeita-Mama                                                                 An                              ?                          zeu,cer                                                                                       Bad                            Da(Sa?)                        sacrificat,mort/                                                                 Ab /Zag/Ga’ar             Labrys               templu,stralucire/divin                                                      Ud                              capra,ied                         capra,ied                                                           Dara                                -”                                    -“-                                                               Ararma                      Asasara                          zeitate astrala?                                                         Gar                                   D                              masura volum cereale

From  https://enigmatica.ro/placutele-de-la-tartaria/

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From https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2015/cdlj2015_001.html&nbsp;                                                          BAD: …it bears the meaning “sacrificed,” or in the case of humans, simply “dead.”

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From https://brill.com/view/book/9789004352223/BP000008.xml (see no.7, UD/goat)

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Folowing signs, from  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

Ab Amar An Ararma As Sze/Se Ud5 Zag~a Zag~c Dara~3d Ga’ar~b1 Sur  Gar

 

All interpretations, of scientists and mine are sending to, are in close touch with an -religious ritual !  !

22. But if you ask me of an possible true writing ?

I say, I hope yes, on the round table, the top half, although we have there a kind of “impossible” combination of signs (“Doo/DDoc” sequence) and apparently no way out. However, in that half of the round tablet, we could have the archaic Greek letters:

Image result for tablitele tartaria pic from http://www.ziare.com/cultura/documentar/tablitele-de-la-tartaria-cea-mai-veche-scriere-a-lumii-descoperita-in-romania-1090967

To the left: Eta/Heta Rho/D?                                                                                                            And to the right:    Doo, DDoc?/ Dtwo?/RRoo, Roc?

What could be written, what possible texts?

It seems that we will never be able to have absolute certainty anymore, of any message or text. By one side                                                                                                              – we don’t know the language used, and by the other side                                                           – because there can be more possibilities of letters and not know for sure whether the P/D signs actually are for D or R letters ; and also,                                                                      – a concrete number of letters (even they are few !) may lead to a relatively large number of combinations of n as many as m)

Can one make suppositions at least?

Yes, there would be a set of proposals to be considered, for example:

Here Roc Roc Albanian here Rrok= time grab, understand

HeRos DiBoc=DiVos Greek Lord/master Zeu (use in religious ritual?)

EDE DiDou Greek “now give!”/”give to eat!” (This proposal is of some interest, since the root of the ED is present in both food-related words (e.g. EDTA) and in that of kid Ed.educs. We have one or more kids on the pictGraphics? So through the icon of the iedului can suggest the word Ed,Ede !: Mananca!/kid, iedule)

HeDe Didou Greek now,already give! (do you give it?; religious ritual?)

! Caution, *hed is the root Proto Indo-Europeana for ‘mananca’!

HRist(s) DDoc Latin “of the doctrine of christiana”

Hero, ERO DDoc (Decreto Doctor) Latin will be a doctor (Lat.”Professor”) in the theological doctrine)

etc

23. Again. Why 3 tablets, each with different “writing”, and how to explain this (only the appearance !) are there signs?

In fact, it is not a pile of signs. It Is the fruit of a conscious and deliberate effort. Remember, as for me, who have come to keep in mind hundreds of signs from each writing system, it would not necessarily be easy for me. If I intend to show to a student or any reader the main steps in the appearance and evolution of  writing, maybe I would do much the same.

On a tablet I would show pure icons/pictographs, as the ones on the pictographic tablet. I would choose about the same kind of basic signs, which almost identical meaning in the Sumerian proto-cuneiform as with those of cretan hyierogliphic  and Linear A.               Cereal and goat icons. There is also an absolute unclear sign , possible ghost, man, gods !?                                                                                                                                                            On the second (like rectangular tablet with hole), I would figure sumerian ideograms that are almost entirely and close shape found in the Aegean syllabograms .                                                           Signs: Cereals, Gods, labriys, Gods, Taurus).

 picture from https://www.descopera.org/tablitele-de-la-tartaria/

On the third (round tablet) I would figure the pure phonetic writing (but not necessarily alphabetic!).Those signs have corespondence in sounds . As summerian ideograms , Aegeene syllabograms, and even  to Greek and Anatolian letter wich has every of them coresponding phonemes/sounds.

Examples:

On the pictographic tablet:                                                                                                                  the grain/cereal Sumerian icon, similar to the Cretan sign for cereals. And then the common icon for the goat.

On rectangular tablet with hole, 3 examples:                                                                                  1. The sumerian sign “Se” <> the linear A sign  “Te“, cereal, grain.                                                2. Then the sign ‘Animal head with long ears’:                                                                                 the “AMAR” sumerian /calf and Cretan Hierogliphic /linear A “Mu”/Bull , linear B “Ma“/sign of Mother Goddess.                                                                                                                         3. And the sign of the Orion constellation, the “Zag“/ the shine of metal, linear “Labrys” sign of the linear A divine power.

-On the round plate, only 2 examples:                                                                                                 1. The H-sign with 3 bars is the sumerian “Ku“, linear A “Pa3″,canaanit “Heth” and archaic Greek  “Heta/Eta“, old Latin “H“.
2. Sign (as with # but only with 1 vertical bar):sumerian “Pa” and linear A “Pa” (later “Z” in many writings)

I don’t know why, also on the round plate, the right-bottom quarter, two complex ideograms appear, Picture from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

e.g. one (on the right) is like the temple of solar gods Shamash/ 

Proto-cuneiform sign UD.UNUG:”sun -inner temple”

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the sign of the punic Goddess Tanit, astral Goddess as Ishtar=the sign of the minoan astral Goddess Asasara.

From https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/baal-hammon-and-tanit-0012136&nbsp;                                                                                                                      Symbol of Tanit, the consort to the king of the Punic pantheon. (mrholle / CC BY-SA 2.0) Punic Goddess Tanit

WHEN THE TOPIC IS THE DEVELOPEMENT OF WRITING, WIKIPEDIA COMES ALSO (as TT scribe have done and I also would do) WITH 3 MAIN STAGES:                                                                                                                       Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing

A conventional “proto-writing to true writing” system follows a general series of developmental stages:

  • Picture writing system: glyphs (simplified pictures) directly represent objects and concepts. In connection with this, the following substages may be distinguished:
    • Mnemonic: glyphs primarily as a reminder;
    • Pictographic: glyphs directly represent an object or a concept
    • Ideographic: graphemes are abstract symbols that directly represent an idea or concept.
  • Transitional system: graphemes refer not only to the object or idea that it represents but to its name as well.
  • Phonetic system: graphemes refer to sounds or spoken symbols, and the form of the grapheme is not related to its meanings.                                                                         ———————————————————-

24. What was aiming at, or real purpose of the tablets ?

If, after a sustained and tenacious effort, I managed, succeed to have in my little finger or mind, (… where you want), thousands of signs grouped into different writing systems; (not discuss my ability or expertise compared with others, though I want such a challenge). If I could make a collection of signs in this way, that is grouped on the main types of writing folowing the course of time, with all the possibilities of 20th century documentaries at my disposal, probably the result will be close to those tablets.

Who, for God’s sake, from where and how long, does not discuss with what purpose, made a collection of ordered signs and divided into three major groups of historical evolution ? Note, signs with an extension of their use on a 2.500- years  time-span ( ~2.500-500 ECB)?

REMEMBER, SHOWING WRITING EVOLUTION NOT IMPLY THAT THE AUDIENCE PERSON WILL/TAUGHT TO WRITE

25.I put under scrutiny an important question and subject to follow; I am looking forward to your opinions with great interest.

Remember, the tablets are real an material and  not coming from somewhere from the virtual reality, and therefore do not hold as copies of others, so there are original, they were made by someone, though, and in this way original and not counterfeit, fakes. 

 Although they have taken note of the similarities between the signs on the TT and those in the sumerian, they have limited themselves to referring quickly and perhaps somewhat superficial only to a few aspects.                                                                             

What completely escaped my understanding is that none of them noticed and did not refer to the fact that the somewhat grouped signs, as if somebody divided them into three categories of historical evolution ??.

For example, a researcher with dozens of publications and books, who has literally exhausted attacking the topic TT from the perspective of all interdisciplinary branches (archeology, history, culture, seminary, etc.) starting from the Neolithic, (if not near the mesolithic) these essential aspects escaped him. Namely the similarities with the Levantine, Aegean, Anatolian and Mediterranean civilizations writings, and maybe worse, not noticed this kind of display of seemingly arranged signs in historical, in temporal evolution, and I am referring here to Mr Marco Merlini                                                                                                                            Image result for tartaria tablets                                                                  Mr. Marco Merlini, from http://www.prehistory.it&nbsp;                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            (and mentioning his master, Prof. Gheorghe Lazarovici)

26. Possible explanation  ?

This spark-idea is mine, but not a recent-one, and could explain TT purpose and who wrote and/or used them . As to be brought at an unknown time and unknown religion by kind of missionary. The round tablet could have written on upper half,                                                                                                                                                                                               Pics from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

an ritualic formula, as out of the signs HP Di b o c , some could be:

greek : HEROS DIVOS = LORD GOD

latin:   HeRus  DeiVOS =    -“-      -“-

Note.                                                                                                                                                         “If” word God  is written, then like kind of Tetragrammaton m not to be pronounced, hidden like the name of YHWEH.(also have here 4 letters !)                                                   Was natural to be hidden from the view of passers-by, especially at the begining of christianism when followers were chased, ??

or a religious christian-like one ( “Our Father” pray: give us our daily bread

greek: HeDe/EDE !  DiDOS/DIDOU ! :Allready,this here,now/GIVE EAT !

latin:  ED/EDE   DeDou(i)=/DeDUI    : Kid-goat/EAT     GIVE!

From ETRUSCANS, VENETI and SLOVENIANS: A Genetic … http://www.korenine.si › zborniki › zbornik05 › belchevsky_rea                                                                                                           The barbarians were the ancient Europeans, non-Greeks, whose speech was not understood by the Greeks. ….. divos > dibos > qibos > qeios > qeos.

From https://www.etymonline.com › word
deva | Origin and meaning of deva by Online Etymology Dictionary
… cognate with Greek dios “divine” and Zeus, and Latin deus “god” (Old Latin deivos), from PIE root *dyeu- “to shine,” in derivatives “sky,

From https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/ionic-greek/&nbsp; by Richard Vallance Janke

didomi-linear-b-archaic-new-testament

(in pictographic tablet we have an kid-goat and something totally unclear, as a human silhuette with hands forward as giving)

…. or you will wonder what other possible formula.                                                                   The presence of the other signs on TT, which apparently do not contain writing, explain it to me by the intention of creating a framework, appearance, but also the feeling and atmosphere of continuity and the transmission of knowledge and religious concepts of a eternal nature, originating in the very distant past.                                                                 The fact that all the signs on TT were used in a place, time or another for writing, raises my suspicions to me. As if that person had access to sources such as the library from Alexandria or the Vatican?.In fact, I shouldn’t be so much, as the priests really had access to such sources and were among the main propagators of culture in general.

IN THE WORK OF FINDING A PLACE, REAL &TRUE IDENTITY FOR TT, WE ALL FOUND SO MANY UNCOMMON, EVEN WEIRD & PUZZLING CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE TOPIC TEND TO MOOVE STEP BY STEP, FROM WRITING & SCIENCE FIELD TO OBJECTS FOUND ON EARTH FALLEN FROM OUTER SPACE.

 

 

 

 

Göbekli Tepe’deki “H” tabelasına kimse son vermiyor

February 26, 2021

The Secret of Gobekli Tepe: Cosmic Equinox and Sacred Marriage – Part II Göbekli Tepe’nin Sırrı: Kozmik Ekinoks ve Kutsal Evlilik – Bölüm II https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/secret-gobekli-tepe-cosmic-equinox-and-sacred-marriage-part-ii-002862

The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs
Göbeklitepe’deki merkez sütunlar “H” ve güneş-ay işaretlerini gösteriyor

<< Güneş ve ay ikonografisi, zamanımızın en önemli arkeolojik alanlarından Neolitik tapınaklar olan Göbeklitepe’nin etkileyici ayakta sütunlarında bulunabilir. Konuk yazar Özgür Etli, antik inşaatçıların tapınakları kullanan insanlara hangi mesajları vermeye çalıştıklarını ve aynı zamanda tüm insanlığa iletmeye çalıştıklarını inceliyor. Bölüm I Oku Güneş-ay motifinin üzerinde yer alan “H” işaretinin erkek ve kadın birlikteliğini veya baharda tanrı-tanrıça evliliğini simgelediği tahmin edilebilir. Arkeolog Klaus Schmidt, bu motifin erkek ve dişi sembolize ettiğine inanıyor. Sütunun ayakta durma pozisyonu aynı zamanda daha önce de belirtildiği gibi “doğum” veya “yeniden doğuşu” sembolize eder.

Göbekli Tepe & The Great Year | Ancient Origins
Inanna and Dumuzi

Yazar ayrıca İnanna ve Dumuzi / Tamuz kutsal evliliğine ve ayrıca Kybele’nin doğurganlık kültüne yaklaşımlarda bulunur. << Arkeolojik araştırmalarda Anadolu’da çeşitli dönemlere ait çok sayıda çift başlı figürin bulunmuştur. Bu figürinlere ikiz tanrıça denir. Alim ve bilim adamı Cevat Şakir’e (Halikarnas Balıkçısı) göre bu figürler tanrıçayı ve kocasını simgelemektedir [5]. Görünüşe göre, dünya anneleri ilk uygarlık dönemlerinden beri saygı görüyor. Toprağın bereketi, yaşamın istikrarı için hayati öneme sahipti. O nedenle insan uygarlığımızın ilk dönemlerinde ölüm, doğum ve yeniden doğuş kavramları en önemlisi olmalıydı. Dolayısıyla insan uygarlığımızın çıkış noktası olan Göbeklitepe tapınaklarında da Sümer kutsal nikah törenlerinin yapıldığını düşünebiliriz. Klaus Schmidt’in görüşüne göre Göbeklitepe kültürü Sümer ve Mısır medeniyetlerini etkileyebilirdi. O halde saati geriye çevirerek Göbeklitepe neolitik kültüründe yerleşik kültürel Sümer unsurlarını da görmeliyiz. D Tapınağı’nın merkez direğinde tasvir edilen güneş-ay sembolünün veya güneş ile ayın kutsal buluşmasının ekinoks zamanını ve baharın başlangıcını temsil ettiğini tahmin edebilir miyiz? Çeşitli bulgular ve kanıtlarla yapabiliriz. >> Başka bir gönderide, H işaretinin iki Tau’dan (biri sola + biri sağda) oluştuğunu ileri sürdüm; Yani işareti T = “Ben”, H = Ben-Ben.

Şimdi Ur-Bau = Ur-MeMe’nin (Bau, Kybele’den daha yaşlı olan antik Tanrıça, (aslında geldiği zamandan)) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mesopotamian_deities Nintinugga olarak da bilinen diğer büyük tanrılar Gula’nın nasıl olduğunu görüyorsunuz. Ninkarrak, Meme, Bau ve Ninisina, Mezopotamya şifa tanrıçası ve doktorların ve ilaç işçilerinin ilahi koruyucusudur. ….. Eski Mezopotamya’daki tanrılar neredeyse tamamen antropomorfikti. Olağanüstü güçlere sahip oldukları düşünülüyordu ve çoğu zaman Muazzam fiziksel boyutta olduğu düşünülür. Tanrılar tipik olarak melam giyerlerdi, “onları dehşet verici bir ihtişamla kaplayan” ve ayrıca kahramanlar, krallar, devler ve hatta iblisler tarafından da giyilebilen belirsiz bir madde. Bir tanrının melamını görmenin etkisi bir insanda “bedenin fiziksel olarak sürünmesi” için bir kelime olan ni olarak tanımlanır. Hem Sümer hem de Akad dilleri birçok w “korku” anlamına gelen puluhtu kelimesi de dahil olmak üzere ni hissini ifade etmek için ords .

!! “melam” aslında “Me” idi !!

Sümer Dili – Bir anime’de (kader serisi), bir sohbet karakterinde … sumerianlanguage.tumblr.com ›post› in-an-anime-fat … Melam (aynı zamanda hecelenen melem veya melim) “ihtişam” anlamına gelen bir isimdir. ..

Sümer Sözlüğü – bulgari-istoria-2010.comwww.bulgari-istoria-2010.com ›Rechnici› Sümer _… … EMEURANNA = ANU’nun Kahramanı ME’lerin Evi … Nimbus = MELAM.

Olabilir, D muhafazasındaki DEMİR 18’İNE YARDIMCI OLABİLİRİZ, BU İŞARETLER ERKEN KADIN RUH-İLAHİ OLDUĞUNU GÖSTERİYOR

Nobody puts an end to the “H” signs from Gobekli Tepe

February 26, 2021

From The Secret of Gobekli Tepe: Cosmic Equinox and Sacred Marriage – Part II https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/secret-gobekli-tepe-cosmic-equinox-and-sacred-marriage-part-ii-002862

The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs
The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs

<< Sun and moon iconography can be found on the impressive standing pillars of Göbeklitepe, the Neolithic temples that are among the most important archaeological sites of our time. Guest author Özgür Etli examines what messages the ancient builders might have been trying to impart to the people who used the temples, and what they might have also been trying to communicate to all of humanity.

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It can be speculated that the H” sign located above the sun-moon motif symbolizes male and female togetherness, or a god-goddess marriage in spring. Archaeologist Klaus Schmidt believes this motif symbolizes male and female. The standing position of the pillar also symbolizes “birth” or “rebirth”, as mentioned previously.

Göbekli Tepe & The Great Year | Ancient Origins
Inanna and Dumuzi

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Further the author make approaches to Inanna and Dumuzi/Tamuz sacred marriage and further to fertility cult of Cybele. << In archaeological research, numerous double-headed figurines have been found belonging to various periods in Anatolia. These figurines are called twin-goddesses. According to scholar and scientist Cevat Şakir, ( Halikarnas Balıkçısı ), these figures symbolize the goddess and her husband [5]. Seemingly, earth mothers have been venerated since the first eras of civilization. Fertility of soil had vital importance for the steadiness of life. For that matter, death, birth and rebirth concepts should have been be the most important at the initial periods of our human civilization. Therefore, we can consider that Sumerian sacred marriage ceremonies were also performed in Göbeklitepe temples, the starting point for our human civilization. According to Klaus Schmidt’s opinion, Göbeklitepe culture could have affected the Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations. In that case, by turning the clock back, we should see established cultural Sumerian elements in Göbeklitepe neolithic culture as well. Can we speculate that the sun-moon symbol, or the sacred meeting of sun and moon, depicted on center pillar of Temple D represents equinox time and the beginning of spring? With various findings and proof we can. >>

In another post I advanced that sign H is composed of twoo Tau’s (one to left left+ one on right); So as sign T=”Me”, H= Me-Me.

Now you see how Ur-Bau =Ur-MeMe (Bau, ancient Goddess older than Cybele, (in fact from wich come) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mesopotamian_deities Other major deities Gula, also known as Nintinugga, Ninkarrak, Meme, Bau, and Ninisina, is the Mesopotamian goddess of healing and the divine patroness of doctors and medicine-workers. …..Deities in ancient Mesopotamia were almost exclusively anthropomorphic. They were thought to possess extraordinary powers and were often envisioned as being of tremendous physical size. The deities typically wore melam, an ambiguous substance which “covered them in terrifying splendor” and which could also be worn by heroes, kings, giants, and even demons. The effect that seeing a deity’s melam has on a human is described as ni, a word for the “physical creeping of the flesh“. Both the Sumerian and Akkadian languages contain many words to express the sensation of ni,[4] including the word puluhtu, meaning “fear”

!! “melam” was in fact “Me” !!

Sumerian Language — In an anime (fate series), a chatacter …sumerianlanguage.tumblr.com › post › in-an-anime-fat… Melam (also spelled melem or melim) is a noun meaning “splendor, …

Sumerian Dictionary – bulgari-istoria-2010.comwww.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › Rechnici › Sumerian_… … EMEURANNA = House of the ME’s of ANU’s Hero … Nimbus = MELAM.

MAYBE WE ASSIST ON PILLAR 18 in enclosure D , THAT H SIGNS ARE INDICATING AN EARLY FEMALE SPIRIT-DIVINITY

Göbekli Tepe. Possibly the greatest leap of mankind.

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html

Yes, and we may not even know about this leap. We know some moments that we consider turning in the development of mankind, such as the discovery of fire, writing, the industrial revolution, the conquest of outer space. In each of these it is a question of having in fact made only a breach only in a certain field or sector. We are surprised and we have the impression that the Egyptians and the Sumerians had some civilizations apparently suddenly emerged from nothing. Is that so !? We forget that in the case of the Sumerians until the discovery of writing they used hundreds and thousands of years ago a rudimentary system of counting using tokens. In the Neolithic tools and constructions appeared, but we forget that thousands of years ago they used only stone tools. We have a reference moment in the development of the oldest known civilization, the Sumerian one. That would be when the divine knowledge from the gods was shared with the earthlings and thus known and used. This knowledge was called ME. The sign of ME (known only after the discovery of writing) is T / Tau and was known long before the discovery of writing.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign ME~a

Interestingly, mankind has noticed that there is a complicated connection and mechanism by which different components of nature are articulated, otherwise functioning as a kind of clock machine, so perfect. People have noticed cause and effect connections tens of thousands of years ago, but working in detail escapes their understanding. It was a mysterious and complex world whose signs could not be read. In the Neolithic, the Sumerians closely classified and ordered these legitimacies, in the form of MEs. Very interesting, that they realized that the material and the spiritual aspect, both good and bad, are the parts and facets of one and the same reality. Although this stage of human knowledge is known, I am surprised that its true importance is not realized, it is not analyzed and debated at length. Then how can I be surprised that another fact was not even realized. Now comes the shock element, the bomb bomb:

THE CIVILIZATIONS OF HUNTING CONNECTORS WHICH PRECEDED THE SUMERIAN CIVILIZATION (ATTENTION, THERE WERE MORE) THEY HAD A CLEAR VISION AND THEY WERE AWARE OF THE CLOSE CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL ASPECTS OF NATURE AND ACTION. LONG BEFORE AND OBVIOUSLY ON ANOTHER SCALE, THEY WERE AWARE OF THESE LEGITIES CALLED BY THE SUMERIANS “ME”.

In their religious system, different elements were connected to each other by invisible threads, all being interconnected. The mechanism in detail was not known to people or shamans or priests. The whole system was organized around a spiritual entity, the ME who was responsible and explained everything. A kind of essence of life. It doesn’t even matter what name or meaning that name had: being, power, will (to live), I / Me … In the Sumerian language, but also in Nostratica (the language from which theoretically everything is derived) It means “I, me, my “… so it shows that the man took his destiny with all his might in his own hands and decided to assert loudly, strongly even through these monuments, the place he hardly won.The fact that they gathered there for thousands of years, shows that that community was a success. And the success was measured by the effect and effectiveness of practical, but also social, group teachings and the ability to maintain community cohesion. difficulties found resources and strength to resume and continue life.That mythology as if the knowledge came from the gods by divine ordinances seems to have had a real precedent in Gobekli Tepe, long before, with the difference that that knowledge did not fall on their heads from heaven or from the god but were obtained and gathered with much effort through the practice of thousands of years. When we look in the dictionary or in the Sumerian writings what those ME were, we see that the swi pillars of the Gobekli Tepe monuments, if they were called Me, could gather and synthesize simultaneously: divine ordinances, priests, oracles, the essence of life, power, struggle and many more. I wonder, what religion in the world would not want to synthesize in a single word or notion and gather in a bundle everything that could be related to religion or divinity? Let us not forget that in our case what was deified was not a character but the wonderful nature itself in its immensity and complexity.

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; gtildee: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell.

Göbekli Tepe.Muhtemelen insanlığın en büyük sıçraması

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html

Evet ve bu sıçramayı bile bilmeyebiliriz. Ateşin keşfi, yazı, sanayi devrimi, uzayın fethi gibi insanlığın gelişiminde dönmeyi düşündüğümüz bazı anları biliyoruz. Bunların her birinde aslında sadece belirli bir alanda ya da sektörde sadece bir gedik yapmış olma meselesi… Şaşırıyoruz ve Mısırlıların ve Sümerlerin bazı medeniyetlerin birdenbire yoktan ortaya çıktığı izlenimine kapılıyoruz. Böylece !? Sümerler söz konusu olduğunda, yüzlerce ve binlerce yıl önce yazının keşfine kadar, jeton kullanarak ilkel bir sayma sistemi olduğunu unutuyoruz.Neolitik alet ve yapılarda ortaya çıktı, ancak binlerce yıl önce sadece taş kullandıklarını unutuyoruz. araçlar. Bilinen en eski medeniyet olan Sümer medeniyetinin gelişiminde bir referans anımız var.Bu, tanrılardan gelen ilahi bilginin dünyalılarla paylaşıldığı ve böylece bilindiği ve kullanıldığı zamandı.Bu bilgiye ME deniyordu.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html işaret ME

ME’nin işareti (yalnızca yazının keşfinden sonra bilinir) T / Tau’dur ve yazının keşfinden çok önce biliniyordu. İlginç bir şekilde, insanlık, doğanın farklı bileşenlerinin eklemlendiği karmaşık bir bağlantı ve mekanizma olduğunu, aksi takdirde bir tür saat makinesi olarak işlev gördüğünü, bu kadar mükemmel olduğunu gözlemlemiştir. İnsanlar neden sonuç ilişkilerini on binlerce yıl önce fark ettiler, ancak ayrıntılı çalışmak anlayışlarından kaçıyor. İşaretleri okunamayan gizemli ve karmaşık bir dünyaydı. Neolitik çağda Sümerler, bu meşruiyetleri ME’ler şeklinde yakından sınıflandırıp düzenlediler.İyi ve kötü maddi ve manevi yönün aynı gerçekliğin parçaları ve yönleri olduğunu anlamaları çok ilginçti. İnsan bilgisinin bu aşaması bilinmesine rağmen, gerçek öneminin anlaşılmamasına, uzun uzun analiz edilmemesine ve tartışılmamasına şaşırıyorum, o zaman başka bir gerçeğin bile gerçekleşmemesine nasıl şaşırabilirim. Şimdi şok unsuru, bomba bombası geliyor:

SÜMER MEDENİYETİNİ ÖNCELENEN AVCILIK KONEKTÖRLERİNİN UYGARLIKLARI (DİKKAT, DAHA FAZLASI) AÇIK BİR GÖRÜŞLERİ VARDI VE DOĞA VE AKSİYONUN TÜM YÖNLERİ ARASINDAKİ YAKIN BAĞLANTIDAN FARKINDALIKLARDIR.

Dini sistemlerinde, farklı unsurlar birbirine görünmez iplerle bağlıydı, hepsi birbirine bağlıydı, mekanizma detaylı olarak insanlar, şamanlar veya rahipler tarafından bilinmiyordu. Tüm sistem manevi bir varlık, sorumlu olan ve her şeyi açıklayan ME, bir tür yaşam özü etrafında örgütlenmişti. Bu ismin hangi isme veya anlama sahip olduğunun bile önemi yok: varlık, güç, irade (yaşamak), Ben / Benim … Sümer dilinde, ama aynı zamanda Nostratica’da (teorik olarak her şeyin türetildiği dil) “Ben, ben, benim” anlamına geliyor … bu yüzden adamın kaderini tüm gücüyle kendi eline aldığını ve bu anıtlar aracılığıyla bile kazanamadığı yeri yüksek sesle, güçlü bir şekilde ileri sürmeye karar verdiğini gösteriyor.Binlerce yıldır orada toplanmış olmaları, o topluluğun başarılı olduğunu gösteriyor. Ve başarı, pratik ve aynı zamanda sosyal grup öğretilerinin etkisi ve etkinliği ve topluluk uyumunu sürdürme becerisiyle ölçülüyordu. Tapınakların gömüldüğü zamanlar, bölgedeki topluluklar için aşırı zorluk dönemlerine denk geliyor gibi görünüyor. yaşamı sürdürmek ve sürdürmek için kaynaklar ve güç.Bu mitoloji, tanrılardan ilahi kurallarla gelmiş gibi mitolojinin, çok daha önce Göbekli Tepe’de gerçek bir emsali olmuş gibi görünüyor, bu fark, bu bilginin cennetten veya tanrıdan kafalarına düşmemesi, ancak elde edilmiş olması ve Binlerce yıllık uygulama ile büyük çaba sarf etti. Sözlüğe veya Sümer yazılarına baktığımızda, bu ME’nin ne olduğuna baktığımızda, Göbekli Tepe anıtlarının swi sütunlarının, eğer Me olarak adlandırılırlarsa, aynı anda toplanıp sentezlenebildiklerini görürüz: ilahi törenler, rahipler, kahinler, hayat, güç, mücadele ve çok daha fazlası. Merak ediyorum, dünyadaki hangi din tek bir kelime ya da kavramda sentezlemek ve din ya da tanrısallıkla ilgili olabilecek her şeyi bir araya toplamak istemez? Unutmayalım ki bizim durumumuzda tanrılaştırılan bir karakter değil, büyüklüğü ve karmaşıklığıyla harika doğanın kendisi idi.

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; ge: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell. <<işlev, ofis, sorumluluk; ideal norm; bir tanrının gücünün olağanüstü alanı; ilahi kararname, kehanet; kült. v. olmak>>

Göbekli Tepe. Posibil cel mai mare salt al omenirii.

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html Gobekli Tepe, Southeastern Anatolia, and Klaus Schmidt. (+) Image Source: GoogleMapswikipedia

Da, si posibil noi nici sa nu fim constienti de amploarea acestui salt. Noi cunoastem cateva momente pe care le consideram de cotitura in dezvoltarea omenirii, cum ar fi descoperirea focului, a scrisului, revolutia industriala, cucerirea spatiului cosmic. In fiecare din acestea e vorba de a se fi facut de fapt doar o bresa numai intr-un anumit domeniu sau sector. Ne miram si avem impresia ca civilizatiile Egipteana si sumeriana au aparut brusc, cumva din neant. Asa sa fie oare !? Uitam ca in cazul sumerienilor pana la descoperirea scrisului au folosit inainte cu sute si mii de ani un sistem rudimentar de socotire folosind jetoane. In neolitic au aparut unelte si constructii, dar uitam ca mii de ani inainte au folosit exclusiv unelte din piatra. Avem un moment de referinta in dezvoltarea celei mai vechi civilizatii cunoscute, cea sumeriana.Acela ar fi cand dupa spusele lor, cunostintele divine (adica provenite de la zei), au fost impartite pamantenilor si astfel cunoscute si folosite.Aceste cunostinte sau numit ME.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Semn ME~a

Semnul lui ME (cunoscut numai dupa descoperirea scrierii) este in forma literei T/Tau si a fost cunoscut cu mult inainte de descoperirea scrisului. Interesant este faptul ca omenirea a observat ca exista o legatura si un mecanism complicat, prin care diferite componente ale naturii se articuleaza, altfel astfel functionand ca un gen de masinarie de ceasornic, deci perfect. Oamenii au observat in urma cu zeci de mii de ani legaturi gen cauza si efect, insa functionarea in amanunt le scapa intelegerii. Era o lume misterioasa si complexa a carei semne nu puteau fi citite. In neolitic, sumerienii au strans clasificat si ordonat aceste legitati, sub forma ME-urilor.Foarte interesant, ca au realizat ca aspectul material si cel spiritual atat cele bune cat si cele rele, sunt partile si fatetele uneia si aceleiasi realitati. Desi se stie de aceasta etapa a cunoasterii umane, ma mir ca nu i se realizeaza adevarata importanta, nu este analizata si dezbatuta pe larg.Atunci cum sa ma mire ca unui alt fapt nici macar nu i-a fost realizata existenta. Acum vine elementul soc, bomba bombelor: CIVILIZATIILE DE CULEGATORI VANATORI CARE AU PRECEDAT CIVILIZATIA SUMERIANA (ATENTIE, AU FOST MAI MULTE) AU AVUT O VIZIUNE CLARA SI AU FOST CONSTIENTI DE LEGATURA STRANSA INTRE TOATE ASPECTELE NATURII, OMUL SI IN ULTIMA ESENTA VIATA, IN MOD NECESAR SI FORTUIT TREBUIND SA FIE IN CENTRUl ACTIUNII. CU MULT INAINTE SI EVIDENT LA ALTA SCARA, AU FOST CONSTIENTI DE ACELE LEGITATI DENUMITE DE SUMERIEN “ME”.

In sistemul lor religios, diferite elemente erau legate intre ele prin fire nevazute toate fiind interconectate.Mecanismul in amanunt nu il cunosteau nici oamenii nici samanii sau preoti ce or fi fost. Intreg sistemul era organizat in jurul unei entitati de factura spirituala, ME care era responsabila si explica totul.Un gen de esenta a vietii. Nici nu conteaza ce nume sau semnificatie avea acel nume: fiinta, puterea,vointa (de a trai),Eu/Meu… In limba sumeriana, dar si in Nostratica (limba din care teoretic se trag toate) Me insemna “Eu,mie,meu”…deci arata ca omul si-a luat cu toata forta destinul in propriile maiini si a hotarat sa-si afirme tare, cu tarie chiar si prin aceste monumente, locul cu greu castigat.

Faptul ca se adunau acolo mii de ani la rand, arata ca acea comunitate a fost una de succes. Iar succesul s-a masurat prin efectul si eficacitatea invataturilor practice, dar si sociale, de grup si capacitatii de a mentine coeziunea comunitatii.Se pare ca momentele in care templele au fost ingropate au coincis cu perioade de dificultate extrema a comunitatilor din zona.In ciuda acestor dificultati au gasit resurse si forta sa reia si sa continue viata.

Acea mitologie precum ca cunostintele au venit de la zei prin ordonante divine se pare ca la Gobekli Tepe a avut un precedent real, cu mult inainte, cu diferenta ca acele cunostinte nu le-au picat in cap din cer si nici de la zeu ci au fost obtinute si adunate cu mult efort prin practica a mii de ani. Cand ne uitam in dictionar sau in scrierile sumeriene ce anume erau acele ME, vedem ca pilonii si monumentele de la Gobekli Tepe, daca se numeau Me, puteu strange si sintetiza simultan intelesurile: ordonante divine,preotii, oracole, esenta vietii, puterea, lupta si inca multe altele. Ma intreb, ce religie din lume nu si-ar dori ca printr-un singur cuvant sau notiune sa sintetizeze si sa stranga intr-un manunchi tot ce ar putea fi legat de religie sau divinitate ? Sa nu uitam, ca in cazul nostru ceea ce era divinizat nu era vre-un personaj ci natura mirabila insasi in imensitatea si complexitatea ei.

Din https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; ge: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell. Lb.Rom.:”funcție, oficiu, responsabilitate; norma ideala; zona fenomenală a puterii unei zeități; decret divin, oracol; cult. v. a fi;>>

Teoretic, fazele de evolutie a religiei au fost : animista, samanista si pagana. Asta nu inseamna ca parti din unele nu au existat in altele.

Din https://damienmarieathope.com/2015/12/paganism/?v=32aec8db952d << Ce cred păgânii? Unii păgâni cred într-un singur zeu sau o singură zeiță, unii cred într-un zeu și o zeiță, unii cred în mulți zei și / sau în multe zeițe, unii cred că nu există zeu și unii nu sunt siguri dacă există / sunt zei sau nu. Unii se închină acestor zei, iar unii (chiar și cei care cred în ei) nu. Unii sunt animiști (Natura – Venerare) și cred că „spiritul” există la toți oamenii, animalele, plantele, ființele non-vii, cum ar fi stâncile, planetele, oceanele și vântul, ca un concept real sau un concept abstract, cum ar fi iubirea, creativitatea, și schimbare.>> Din https://damienmarieathope.com/2018/05/paganism-an-approximately-12000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d

<< Păgânismul face parte dintr-un grup de gândiri religioase legate intre ele, care pare să transforme spiritele animiste in care credeau odinioară ”(un sistem de credințe datând de acum cel puțin 100.000 de ani pe continentul Africii), care în totemism (datând cu cel puțin 50.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Europei) odata cu perceperea unor noi nevoi, cărora li s-a dat expresie artistică in spiritele animiste atât animale, sau umane („se pare că se concentrează pe femeile umane pentru început și doar mult mai târziu există ceea ce ar putea fi adăugat un accent masculin”). Dar chiar și aceasta a evoluat în o comuniune mai puternică, cu mai multe conexiuni în șamanism (un sistem de credințe datând cu cel puțin 30.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Aisa) cu nevoi nou percepute, apoi aceasta a evoluat în păgânism (un sistem de credințe datând cu cel puțin 13.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Europei de Est / Asia de Vest Turcia, în principal, dar estul Mediteranei este bogat, într-o oarecare măsură sau alta), cu nevoi nou percepute, unde vedeți apariția zeilor animale și zeițele de sex feminin din jurul lor în zei de animale și zeițe de sex feminin mai formalizate și abia după 7.000 până la 6.000 de zei bărbați apar unul care își arată legătura în evoluția religiei și celălalt mai mult pe ea ca religie istorică.

În cele din urmă, păgânismul se suprapune, de asemenea, cu „religia populară”, precum și cu „religia etnică / indigenă” și poate exprima o viziune asupra lumii care este animistă, totemistă, șamanistă, panteistă, deistă, divinistă, monoteistă, duoteistă, politeistă sau monoteistă. Paganismul însemna inițial „rustic, rural, locuitor la țară” o clasă tradițională de păstori / fermieri / muncitori sau „neparticipant, civil” care se referea ulterior la oricine este implicat în orice altă religie decât una dintre principalele religii ale lumii, în mod specific necreștină. Astfel, păgânismul și religia populară sunt relativ aceleași lucruri pentru mine, doar cuvinte diferite care înseamnă relativ aceleași lucruri, așa că eu folosesc doar termenul de păgânism. …. „PăgânismCred în viața plină de duhuri și / sau viața de apoi poate fi atașată sau exprimată în lucruri sau obiecte și aceste obiecte pot fi folosite de persoane speciale sau în ritualuri speciale se pot conecta la viața plină de duhuri și / sau viața de apoi sunt ghidați / susținuți de o zeiță / zeu sau zeițe / zei>>

Alta chestiune la care vreau sa ma refer este cultul mortilor. Aici trebuie sa avem in vedere ca pe de o parte filonul central al intregii conceptii religioase a fost viata si chiar si lucrurile aveau un spirit viata proprie a lor, deci si mortii.

https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/08/sky-burials-animism-totemism-shamanism-and-paganism/?v=32aec8db952d Înmormântarea cerului (tibetană: བྱ་ གཏོར་, Wylie: bya gtor, lit. „împrăștiată de păsări”) este o practică funerară în care un cadavru uman este așezat pe un vârf de munte pentru a se descompune în timp ce este expus la elemente sau pentru a fi mâncat prin eliminare animale, în special păsări carote. Este un tip specific al practicii generale a încarnării.
https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/08/sky-burials-animism-totemism-shamanism-and-paganism/?v=32aec8db952d

Göbekli Tepe clues !

February 19, 2021

The findings are organised in the folowing chapters:

A. Gods or spirits !? B. People gathering. Sumerian “Me” C. Birds & Cult of the Deads D. E-KUR, ARATTA E. Door, doorway ====================== A. Gods or spirits !? From https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/11/shamanism-an-approximately-30000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d << Shamanism encompasses the premise that shamans are: intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. A first definition of this complex phenomenon, and perhaps the least hazardous, will be: shamanism = ‘technique of religious ecstasy‘.” Shamanism encompasses the premise that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illnes by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness. The shaman also enters supernatural realms or dimensions to obtain solutions to problems afflicting the community. Shamans may visit other worlds/dimensions to bring guidance to misguided souls and to ameliorate illnesses of the human soul caused by foreign elements. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment. 

Paganism: an approximately 12,000-year-old belief system
https://damienmarieathope.com/2018/05/paganism-an-approximately-12000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d

* “paganist” Believe in spirit-filled life and/or afterlife can be attached to or be expressed in things or objects and these objects can be used by special persons or in special rituals can connect to spirit-filled life and/or afterlife who are guided/supported by a goddess/god or goddesses/gods (you are a hidden paganist/Paganism: an approximately 12,000-year-old belief system) AndGobekli Tepe: “first human made temple” as well as Catal Huyuk “first religious designed city” are both evidence of some kind of early paganism. early paganism is connected to Proto-Indo-European language and religion. 

What do pagans believe? Some pagans believe in a single god or single goddess, some believe in a god and goddess, some believe in many gods and/or many goddesses, some believe there is no god and some are not sure whether there is/are god(s) or not. Some worship these gods, and some (even those who believe in them) do not. Some are animist (Nature – Veneration) and believe that ‘spirit’ exists in all humans, animals, plants, non-living things like rocks, planets, oceans and wind, as a real concept or an abstract concepts such as love, creativity, and change.>>

—————— Despite the scientist’s approaches of Gobekli Tepe people’s faith to gods and slight traces on T-pillars toward antropomorphic shape, my opinion is that they worshiped spirits. From Mesopotamia, Ancient | Encyclopedia.comwww.encyclopedia.com › religion › mesopotamia-ancient << The offices of the gods touched upon a very distinctive feature of early Mesopotamian thought. These offices were called ME, which is probably the noun of the verb “to be.” It is being, but being specified and normative that imparted to nature and society its essential structure. In one piece of speculation ME was at the very beginning of cosmic origins, antecedent to divinity itself. In the actual order, however, the gods controlled and disposed of me; this was the highest prerogative of divinity. >> From https://www.coursehero.com/file/p7jom8g/but-implies-a-situation-resembling-that-in-Open-sesame-Given-the/ << Some of these mono-liths exhibit arms and hands in bas-relief, suggesting that they represent anthropomorphic beings.It is not clear, however, what kind of beings these standing stones impersonate : do they represent anthropomorphic gods, shamans, ancestors, stone spirits or perhaps even demons >> Gobekli Tepe’s faith keep aspects and traces of different religion developement phases, from animism, totemism, shamanism and paganism.

B. People gathering. Sumerian-like distribution of “Me’s”. People gathered at Gobekli Tepe to exchange experiences and strengthen and maintain close kinship. Sumerian Me, is an allready extensive discussed subject. There are clues that another civilisation preceeded sumerian was the most advanced of its time in entire World, and from that one, sumerians inherited basics for starting full-scale civilisation. Gobekli Tepe religion was centered around life principle. Not necessary needed a god, they had spirits. The main spirit, no matter its name (“Me”=”Beeing” or a forgotten name wich was its equivalent in Proto-Eupratic language). Its icon was T-shaped pillars.The icon was the materialization of the idea: “beeing,to be” and was a spirit, not a human beeing or god proper, nor his icon. From www.facebook.com › permalink Hittite word of the day ešzi / aš-… – Sumerian and Hittite Language … Hittite word of the day ešzi / aš- (Ia3) ‘to be (copula); to be present’: 1sg.pres.act. e -eš-mi (Sumerian : me “to be” ) ( Etymological Dictionary… From enenuru.net › pdfs › Sumeria…PDF Sumerian Vocabulary: – enenuru Sumerian Vocabulary: Words occurring … me ( ME) to be me (ME) essence From On The Origin of Sumerian Allan R. Bomhard Charleston, South Carolina file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Bomhard_On_the_Origin_of_Sumerian_1997.pdf <<me “abundant, plenty” …. Right away, we notice that the Emesal 1st singular forms (subject) me.e, (dative) ma-a-ra are related to the common Nostratic 1st person personal pronoun stem mi/me ‘I, me’>> From books.google.ro › books A Grammar of Modern Indo-European: Language and Culture, Writing … Carlos Quiles, Fernando Lopez-Menchero — 2009 << Pre-IE III and Pre-Proto-Anatolian dialects evolve in different communities but presumably still in contact ca. 3500-3000 BC. … Meaning Early PIE Proto-Uralic I, me” *me, “me” (Ace), * mene, >>

AT THE GOBEKLI TEPE PEOPLE GATHERED PERIODICALLY TO CELEBRATE THE CYCLICALITY AND SPECTACLE OF LIFE AND ITS RENEWAL, MAYBE FERTILITY-NEW-YEAR FESTIVALS

C. Birds & Cult of the Deads Gobekli Tepe’s people see anything living beeing or object, alive or dead as possesing own spirit. So the dead-ones were not proper completely dead in our understanding.The birds had a special relation with deads as beeing messengers between the World of living and the other World. From Ritualistic Bird Symbolism at Gobekli Tepe and its “Ancestor Cult” by Damien AtHope | Jun 25, 2019 https://damienmarieathope.com/2019/06/ritualistic-bird-symbolism-at-gobekli-tepe-and-its-ancestor-cult/?v=32aec8db952d << Ritualistic Bird Symbolism at Gobekli Tepe and its “Ancestor Cult” a Sacred Sky Burial Relationship between Birds and Spirits of the Dead Myths from several regions’ associate birds with the creation of the world. Sacred ideas of birds range from a creator role, to a symbol of life as well as relating to both death and rebirth. Birds are a common totem or believed spirit and relate to renewal, transformation, and ancestors as well. In this deity, spirit or ancestor role they may be seen as Bird People (people with the characteristics of birds) a common motif in myths. Also, birds are commonly associated with or relate to fertility, longevity, and life itself. “Veneration of the dead, including one’s ancestors, is based on love and respect for the deceased. In some cultures, it is related to beliefs that the dead have a continued existence, and may possess the ability to influence the fortune of the living. Some groups venerate their direct, familial ancestors. Certain sects and religions, in particular the Roman Catholic Church, venerate saints as intercessors with God, as well as pray for departed souls in Purgatory.In EuropeAsiaOceaniaAfrican and Afro-diasporic cultures, the goal of ancestor veneration is to ensure the ancestors’ continued well-being and positive disposition towards the living, and sometimes to ask for special favors or assistance. The social or non-religious function of ancestor veneration is to cultivate kinship values, such as filial piety, family loyalty, and continuity of the family lineage. Ancestor veneration occurs in societies with every degree of social, political, and technological complexity, and it remains an important component of various religious practices in modern times.

“Sky Burial” and its possible origins at least 12,000 years ago to likely 30,000 years ago or older.    “In archaeology and anthropology, the term excarnation (also known as defleshing) refers to the practice of removing the flesh and organs of the dead before burial, leaving only the bones. Excarnation may be precipitated through natural means, involving leaving a body exposed for animals to scavenge, or it may be purposefully undertaken by butchering the corpse by hand. Practices making use of natural processes for excarnation are the Tibetan sky burialComanche platform burials, and traditional Zoroastrian funerals (see Tower of Silence).  Some Native American groups in the southeastern portion of North America practised deliberate excarnation in protohistoric times. Archaeologists believe that in this practice, people typically left the body exposed on a woven litter or altar.” >

D. E-KUR, ARATTA From Artak Movsisyan THE SACRED HIGHLANDS Armenia in the Spiritual Geography of the Ancient Near East << Sumerians had in their memory that temple of Gods was E-KUR literarely ” mountain-temple”.was situated as Aratta in Northern part of Sumer, toward Armenia.In Sumerian epic Aratta has the honor of being called the “land of the divine holy law”112. “The divine sacred laws” (in Sumerian – me) is understood not only as rules, but also as the mighty, sacred forces which governed the universe and all spheres of the divine and human reality. For that reason it is suggested that the Sumerian “me” be translated as “essence, being”113. The lord of “the divine sacred laws”, according to Sumer-Akkadian mythology, was Haya (Enki), the wisest of the gods, whose cult center, as mentioned earlier, is connected with the Armenian Highlands.
In Mesopotamian literary accounts, major creation events took place in the Armenian sacred Highlands, where the sacred laws governing the universe, as well as the mysteries of immortality and wisdom were kept, and where not just ordinary mortals, but a chosen people lived. The divine holy law (“me”) which ruled the universe was kept in Abzu, and in the Sumerian epic Aratta is referred to as the “land of the divine holy law”, the earliest reference to date to a state in the Armenian Highlands (see fn. 112 and Appendix A). .>>

E.Door, doorway In different religions, door and doorway appear as the passage of humans to Underworld, the World of deads. From On the Origins of the Alphabet by Brian R. Pellar San Diego, California https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?zx=5altn8zeq797#inbox?projector=1 << Thus, it is no surprise that the Gemini/candle and candle-like glyphs in Egyptian Hieroglyphics depict such words as “The great door of heaven,” “The great gate,” “The door of sunrise, the last door of the Duat,” “Door,” “Gateway,” etc. See Figure 9. A. Hieroglyph used in words for “Door,” “Gateway,” “Great Door of Heaven,” “The door of sunrise, the last door in the Tuat” (Budge 1978: 654–655).D. Hieroglyph for “door, gateway” (Gardiner 1957: 496). In terms of the Gemini Candle/gate symbolizing a vessel that carries the sun/flame/light, the importance of the link between these Egyptian shapes/words, the Hieroglyph “p,” , the Phoenician shape of heth, , and the Chinese word/shape for “sun,” 日 (ri), cannot be overestimated. Furthermore, and more importantly, Wei noted that the Phoenician/Hebrew letter heth is “similar to the Chinese OB glyphs which are the original forms of the word hu (*ga?) 户 (DEZ: 242), meaning ‘door’, ‘gate’, ‘house,’” (Wei 1999: 26). She also links heth/geng to the Sumerian glyphs (gan), meaning “enclosure” (Wei 1999: 27).>> And I will add, sumerian signs https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Ga2

and Ku

(same as Phoenician/hebrew Heth),

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the same shape as Gobekli Tepe http://www.saradistribution.com/foto7/xirabreshk29.jpg

Porthole stone Piatra de hublou

From Göbekli Tepe Shamans and their Cosmic Symbols – Part I Symbolic Architecture https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/g-bekli-tepe-shamans-and-their-cosmic-symbols-part-i-005175?fbclid=IwAR08wQwSvqdsN0P-GHaMn5Xlyuvr5KVUH4E8gPF5kx1B7Q-GV2EgrW4btEM <<There are two central pillars in Göbeklitepe temples. There is question on if we define these two pillars as “The Dual Divinity,” in that they should be the “celestial parents” and “male and female principles” as well. In my opinion they were for the high-priests or head-shamans of Göbekli Tepe temples. In Sumerian mythology, sun god Utu stands between two columns which symbolize a gate; and the symbols are the sky and the earth.>>

The Sumerian deity, Utu

Göbekli Tepe’den çantalar

February 12, 2021

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resim QuoraWhat’s your best theory on the handbags of the ancients? Now they’ve appeared in Gobekli Tepe, which is 11k years o

Bu konuya daha önce de saldırdım ama bu sefer daha derine ineceğim. Çünkü dünyanın bazı eski yerlerinde bu çantaların tasvir edildiği onlarca ve düzinelerce eserin resmini buldum. Aslında kaç tane olduğunu bulmak beni şok etti.

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Resim The mystery handbag of the Gods: Depicted in Sumer, America, and Göbekli Tepe | Ancient Code https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/480829697706189892/

Kökenleri, rolleri ve önemi hakkındaki fikrim ve açıklamamın bana ait bir yenilik olamayacağını anladım. Hiçbir şey, bu beni üzmüyor. Başkaları tarafından sunulan açıklamalar nispeten yüzeyseldir, çok derinlemesine belgelenmemiş veya tutarlı değildir. Bu çantaların eserler üzerinde tasvir edildiği onlarca görseli görebileceğiniz yerler: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

Bir şey açıktır ve çoğu insan bu konuda hemfikirdir, yani çantaların ne içerebileceği; İlk eserden: << Peki Tanrılar “çantalarında” ne taşıdı? Manevi bilgiyi taşıdılar >> içinde http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ söyle: << Göbekli Tepe sitesini aynı zamanda bir eğitim mabedi olarak da yorumlayabiliriz, burada (daha sonraki kültürlerin ifadelerine inanırsak) medenileştirme becerilerinin kasıtlı olarak insanlığa tanıtılmış olabileceği. Aynı bakış açısının bazı kültürlerde hayatta kalan mitlerde ifade edildiğini görüyoruz. >> Alıntı yapılan ikinci makaleden: << Diğer şeylerin yanı sıra Akbaba Taşı’nı gösteriyor. Dünyanın çeşitli halklarının mitolojisinde bu tür “çantalar”, insanlığa İlim veren Tanrıların elinde tasvir edilmiştir. Dolayısıyla, “el çantaları” Bilgi giriş veya aktarım sürecini sembolize eder. >> Kesinlikle katılıyorum. Sonra şöyle diyor: << Bu, gün batımının veya güneşin doğuşunun grafik temsili olarak yorumlanan Akbaba Taşının üst kısmındaki kendine özgü “el çantaları” ile sembolize ediliyor. … Sütunun üst kısmındaki özel “el çantaları” ekinoks ve / veya gündönümü günlerini gösterir. >> Hiç katılmadığım bir konu; – neden bazı çantalar, birkaç yüz yıl önce bile tam olarak ustalaşmamış karmaşık astronomik olaylarla ilişkilendirilsin? – Çantalar Göbekli Tepe’nin yeri ve zamanı için geçerli olan belirli bağlaçlarla veya astronomik konfigürasyonlarla ilgiliyse, başka yer ve dönemlerde varlıkları nasıl açıklanıyor? =========== ŞU DEVLETE CESARET EDİYORUM: ========= SAĞLANAMAYACAK VE BU ANINDA, İŞARETİN EŞSİZ BİR KÖKENİ DESTEKLENEMEZ. UYGARLIKLAR ARASINDAKİ DOĞRUDAN BİR İLETİŞİM OLMAMAKTADIR, BUNLAR ARASINDA BİR KÜLTÜR AKTARIMI “OSMOSİS” OLABİLİR. Aşağıdaki ifadenin (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger) olabildiğince doğru olduğu göz önüne alındığında, << MÖ 10. ve 9. binyıllarda tüm görünüşlere göre, Dicle ve Fırat. Bu sistemin içeriği kesinlikle bizim için bilinmiyor, ancak bu uzak zamandaki insanlar için işaret ve sembollerin bir kültürel hafıza deposu biriktirmek için araçlar olarak hizmet ettiği açıktır. >> Bu kültürel hafıza, işaretler ve semboller, 3,500-4,000 IEN proto-yazısının keşfedilmesinden önce Bereketli Hilal’de mevcuttu ve iddia ediyorum ki, bazıları Göbekli Tepe zamanından beri piktografik ikonlar olarak göründü ve önemi kaldı kısmen kolektif hafızada. . Bazıları daha sonra Sümer medeniyetinde bulunacak. Kesinlikle çantalardan bahsetmişken, Sümer proto-kama işaretleri arasında aşağıdakiler var: GA2 işareti: “sepet, kutu, konteyner…”

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sümer işareti GA2 dosyası: /// C: /Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf “Bu çerçeve veya kap işareti, benzer bir sepete veya kutuya, yani GA2 işaretine yeniden yerleştirilir” https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp; ”GA (telaffuz edilen nga, ñá): sepet; ev; kararlı (cf., ñar) [GA2 arkaik frekansı: 125; 5 işaret varyantının birleştirilmesi]. GA (nga, ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 ve ma (3)) ”

DUB işareti: “kil tablet”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html DUB imzala ~ c 𒁾 – Vikisözlük
en.wiktionary.org ›wiki Sümer’den ödünç alındı ​​𒁾 (dub). NounEdit. 𒁾 (ṭuppu). (kil) tablet · belge · mektup.

URUDU işareti: “ışıklı nesne = bakır”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html URUDU imzala ~ c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (bakır, metal). Ùru’dan (ışıklı nesne), + dù (yapmak, uygulamak, kalıplamak, dökmek için)

TÜM ANLAMLAR BAZI BİLGİLERE İLİŞKİN DEĞER tablet (= yazılı?), Bakır + sepete koyun. Ancak yukarıdaki ikisinin birleşimi olan ve çantanın gerçek anlamını gösteren bir kelimemiz var: edit.elte.hu ›xmlui› bitstreamPDF’den Sümer dilbilgisine giriş – EDIT – ELTE << Proto- Akkad dilindeki semitik gutturals … sümer dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “hazine kutusu” ndan alınan yaklaşık 100.000 idari çivi yazısı tabletinin ilişkisel veritabanı >>

======= GÖBEKLİ TEPE’NİN NE ANLAMI OLDU? ==== Evet, sepet / konteynerin (avcı) toplayıcıları vardı. “Aydınlık bir nesne” biraz düşer, çünkü metaller keşfedilmedi … muhtemelen alüvyonlu altın veya değerli taşlar … “Tablet” anlamı, yazı hala çok uzakta olduğu için, muhtemelen büyülü işaretler! Nereden Kader Tabletinden (efsanevi öğe) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org ›wiki› Tablet_of_Destinies_ (efsanevi … Mezopotamya mitolojisinde, Kaderler Tableti (Sümer: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar Nereden 2015’ten – Yeni İndoloji – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com) ›… << Ancak bu bağlamda, Elam formunun ortak bir kök dub / tup ile bağlantılı olduğunu önerebiliriz – ‘damgalamak, etkilemek’ için. PSD), ‘yığmak, yığın halinde dökmek’ (CG), PIE * stup / saplama / dub- ‘yığın, demet, tutam’ >> “Biriktirmek” gibi bu anlamlar bir toplayıcı toplulukta mantıklıdır. Bilgiye sahip olan ilk tanrıyı (Enlil) bulmaya çalıştım, onu nereden aldı, nereden geldi? Ve benden “onları topladığını” buldum (mitoloji) – Nereden Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org ›wiki› Me_ (mitoloji) << M’ler, ilk olarak Enlil tarafından toplanmış ve daha sonra, bunu yapacak olan Enki’nin korumasına teslim edilmiştir. onları çeşitli Sümer merkezlerine götürür. Pasaj bize, Enlil’in veya avcı-toplayıcıların cennet veya Enlil’den daha üstün herhangi bir tanrı bilgisini kaybetmediğini, ancak insanlığın faydalı bilgisinin muhtemelen binlerce yıldan fazla bir süredir “ölümlüler” tarafından toplandığını gösteriyor) >> === UZUN ARALIK, SÜMER “ME” İLE BENZERLİK ===== – EL ÇANTASI İŞARETİ İLK KEZ GÖBEKLİ TEPE NÜFUSU TARAFINDAN BULUŞTU. – BİLGİNİN İNSANLARLA PAYLAŞILDIĞINI HAYAL EDEN İLK OLDULAR Bu tanrı, kahraman veya uygarlaştırıcı karakter efsanesi, dünyanın farklı yerlerinde ve farklı zamanlarda bağımsız olarak ortaya çıkmış gibi görünüyor. O halde Göbekli Tepe’nin çantalarında tam olarak ne olduğunu sormak anlamsız. Yüksek bir güven ve doğruluk katsayısı ile çantaların ve içindekilerin sembolik olduğunu varsayabiliriz. Bilgi aktarımını sembolize ediyorlardı. Sümerlerde bu bilginin tam olarak ne olduğunu ve ME olarak adlandırıldığını bilirsek, Göbekli Tepe için bu bilginin ne dendiğini bilmiyoruz (ki bu daha sonraki Sümer Me’ye eşdeğerdi) çünkü konuşulan dil hakkında hiçbir şey bilmiyoruz. . Dikkatli! Dilbilimciler, herhangi bir dilin değişebileceğini ve 1000 yıl sonra tamamen yanlış anlaşıldığını, eski dilin kalan yüzdesinin çok küçük olduğunu keşfettiler. Veya bizim durumumuzda, 9.600 ile 3.600 arasında, diyelim ki, 6 x 1000 yıl! Neredem Sumerian Me’den memes, nörolinguistik ve bilgi savaşı 22 Nisan 2007, assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << Sümerler bir dizi Hayatın, inancın, teknolojinin, davranışların ve insan koşullarının her alanını kapsayan kurallar ve düzenlemeler beni aradı. Onlar erken kodlardı, insan algılaması ve kendilerini aktarmak için kodlanmış memlerdi. Nörolinguistik olarak bütün bir popülasyonu programlama girişimiydi. Son derece sosyal öneme sahiplerdi ve Sümer sosyal yaşamının her yönü onlar tarafından düzenleniyordu. Örneğin. fırıncının tapınağa gitmesi (senaryoların veya her neyse [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003] medeniyetin mucidi olan tanrı Enki’nin gözetimine verildiği yer) ve bir me (bir meme, veya daha doğrusu fırın için bir dizi mem). O özellikle, zanaatını nasıl, ne zaman, nerede yapacağıma dair talimatlar içeriyordu. İbadet, devlet, cinsiyet, Sümer yaşamının her yönü benzer şekilde ele alındı. Mitolojilerinin tanrıları beni fethetmek ve en çok sahiplenmek için savaştılar, onları birbirlerinden çalarlardı. O zaman en çok benimle olan tanrı (kral?), Himayesi altında çok sayıda Sümeri bir araya getirebildi (politik olarak konuşuyoruz, ancak bu adamlar kilise ile devletin ayrılması için değildi). Gudea Cylinders’den Ningirsu’ya 50 ME’ye sahip olan Inanna hatırlatıyor: Babası Enlil’in 50 ME verdiği bir savaş tanrısı. Eski Sümer metinlerinden Inanna’nın komşu ülkeleri kazanmak ve birleştirmek için yeterli sayıda ME’ye sahip olması ilginçtir. Böyle bir durum, Inanna’nın ME’lerin eksikliğinden şikayet ettiği ve hatta onları babasından aldığı («Enki ve Dünya Düzeni», «İnanna ve Enki») sonraki yazılı ilahilerin verileriyle keskin bir şekilde çelişir. Ayrıca burada ME’ler ile yapılan seyahatlerden veya onlar için yapılan yolculuklardan bahsedilmiyor. (Emelianov, 2003) Sosyal hayatın menteşeleri kırılırsa, iletişimin pratik olarak yok olduğu ve ilkel bir yaşama geri dönmenin çok kolay olduğu, çağlarının kitle imha silahları olduğum sonucuna varılabilir. Şimdi, Sümerlerin günümüzdekilerden tamamen farklı bir kültür olduğunu söyleyebiliriz (MÖ 3/4000 yıllarından bahsediyoruz), sosyal etkileşimlerinin katı bir şekilde kodlanmış olmasına rağmen embriyonik olduğunu veya hiçbir şeyin gerçekten değişmediğini söyleyebiliriz. tümü… >> O eski zamanların insanları riske girmişlerse ve bilgilerinin kendilerine verilmesini ve bir tanrı tarafından cennetten özgürleştirilmesini beklemek gibi yaramaz bir düşünceye sahip olsalardı, … bu güne kadar bakma riski vardır. ısrarla cennetin güçlerinde.

The handbags from Göbekli Tepe

February 12, 2021

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I have attacked this subject before, but this time I will go deeper. Because I found in some ancient places in the World dozens and dozens of images of artifacts, in which these handbags were depicted. I was shocked to find how many were in fact.

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I found that my idea and explanation of their origin, role and significance cannot be a novelty that belongs to me. Nothing, this does not sadden me. The explanations offered by others are relatively superficial, not too deeply documented or consistent. The places where you can see dozens of images where these bags are depicted on artifacts are: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

One thing is clear, and most people agree on it, namely what the bags could contain; from the first work: << So, what did Gods carry in their “handbags”? They carried spiritual knowledge>> In http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ say: <<We might interpret the Göbekli Tepe site as having also served as an instructional sanctuary, where (if we believe the statements of later cultures) civilizing skills might have been intentionally introduced to humanity. We find this same outlook expressed in myths that survive in some cultures.>> From the second cited paper:<<Among other things it shows the Vulture Stone. In mythology of various peoples of the world such “handbags” were depicted in the hands of Gods who gave Knowledge to humanity. Hence, the “handbags” symbolise the process of Knowledge introduction or transfer.>> Absolutely agree. Then he says: <<This is symbolised by peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the Vulture Stone, which are interpreted as graphic representation of sunset or sunrise. …Peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the pillar indicate equinox and/or solstice days. >> An issue with which I do not agree at all; – why associate some bags with complex astronomical phenomena not fully mastered even just a few hundred years ago? – If the bags are related to certain conjunctions or astronomical configurations valid for the place and time of Gobekli Tepe, how is their presence explained in other places and periods of time? ================= I DARE TO STATE THAT: ========= IT CANNOT BE PROVIDED, AND AS SUCH AT THE MOMENT, A UNIQUE ORIGIN OF THE SIGN CANNOT BE SUPPORTED. IT CANNOT BE ABOUT A DIRECT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS, IN EXCHANGE THERE CAN BE A KIND OF CULTURAL TRANSMISSION “OSMOSIS” BETWEEN THEM. Given that the following statement (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger) is as true as possible, << To all appearances, in the 10th and 9th millennia BC a widespread system of symbols existed in upper reaches of Tigris and Euphrates. Contents of that system are certainly unknown to us, but it is clear that for people of that remote time signs and symbols served as tools to accumulate a store of cultural memory. >> This deposit of cultural memory, signs and symbols existed in the Fertile Crescent before the discovery of proto-writing 3,500-4,000 IEN and I claim some of them have appeared as pictographic icons since the time of Gobekli Tepe, and their significance has remained partially in the collective memory. . Some will be found later in Sumerian civilization. Strictly speaking of bags, we have among the Sumerian proto-wedge signs the following: GA2 sign: “basket, box, container …”

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sumerian sign GA2 file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf  “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”                                                                                                                                                                From  https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp;  ” GA (pronounced nga,ñá): basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants].
GA (nga,ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 and ma(3)) ”

DUB sign: “clay tablet”

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URUDU sign: “luminous object = copper”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign URUDU~c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (copper, metal). From ùru (luminous object), + dù (to make, apply, mould, cast)

ALL THE MEANINGS ARE RELATED TO SOME KNOWLEDGE OF VALUE tablet (= written?), Copper + put in the basket. But we have a word that is a combination of the two above and shows the true meaning of the bag: From edit.elte.hu › xmlui › bitstreamPDF An introduction to the grammar of Sumerian – EDIT – ELTE <<The reduction of Proto-Semitic gutturals in Akkadian at around this … relational database of around 100.000 administrative cuneiform tablets from the … sumerian dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “ treasury box”>>

======= WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DID THE GOBEKLI TEPE HAVE ? ==== Yes, the basket / container had (hunter)-gatherers. A “luminous object” falls a bit, because the metals were not discovered … possibly alluvial gold or precious stones … The meaning “tablet” falls because the writing was still far away, possibly magical signs !? From Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(mythic… In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar From 2015 – New Indology – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com › … <<But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress’. Sum. dub ‘to strew; to heap up, pile, pour’ (PSD), ‘to heap up, pour in piles’ (CG), PIE *stup/stub/dub- ‘heap, bunch, tuft’ >> These meanings like “to pile up” makes sense at a gatherer comunity. I tried to find out the first deity (Enlil) who came into possession of knowledge, where did she get it, where did it come from? And I just found that he “collected them” From Me (mythology) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mythology) <<The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers. The passage shows us that Enlil or the hunter-gatherers did not lose knowledge of heaven or any other deity superior to Enlil, but the useful knowledge of humanity was collected, I add, probably by “mortals”, weighing on over thousands of years) === LONG RANGE, SIMILARITY WITH SUMERIAN “ME” ===== – THE HANDBAG SIGN WAS INVENTED FOR THE FIRST TIME BY THE POPULATION OF GOBEKLI TEPE. – THEY WERE THE FIRST TO IMAGINE THAT KNOWLEDGE IS SHARED TO PEOPLE This myth of a deity, hero, or civilizing character, seems to have appeared independently in different places in the world and at different times in time. Then it is pointless to ask what exactly was in the bags of Gobekli Tepe. We can assume with a high coefficient of confidence and truthfulness that the bags and the contents were symbolic. They symbolized the transmission of knowledge. If in Sumerians we know what exactly this knowledge was and that it was called ME, for Gobekli Tepe we do not know what this knowledge was called, (which was the equivalent of the later Sumerian Me), because we know nothing about the spoken language. Careful! Linguists have found that any language is subject to change and after 1000 years it becomes completely misunderstood, the remaining percentage of the old language being very small. Or in our case, between 9,600 and 3,600, let’s say, it’s 6 x 1000 years!

From Sumerian Me, memes, neurolinguistics and information warfare April 22, 2007 by assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << The Sumerians developed a set of rules and regulations called me that encompassed every aspect of life, belief, technology, behaviour and human conditions. They were early code, memes codified for human perusal and to pass themselves on. It was an attempt to neurolinguistically program a whole population. They were of utmost social importance and every aspect of Sumerian social life was regulated by them. E.g. the baker was required to go to the temple (where the scripts, or whatever they were [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], were placed in the custody of the god Enki, inventor of civilization) and obtain a me (a meme, or more properly a set of memes) for bakery. That particular me included instruction on how, when, where to perform his craft. Worship, state, sex, every aspect of Sumerian life were treated similarly. The gods of their mythology waged wars in order to conquer and possess the most me, stealing them from each other. The god (king?) with the most me was then able to aggregate (we’re talking politically, but those guys weren’t for the separation of church and state) a larger number of Sumers under his or her aegis. Inanna, owning 50 ME’s, reminds Ningirsu from Gudea Cylinders: she is a deity of war to whom her father Enlil gives 50 ME’s. It is curious that Inanna of the Old Sumerian texts has a sufficient number of ME’s to win and unite neighbouring countries. Such state of affairs contradicts sharply the data of later written hymns in which Inanna complains about the shortage of ME’s and even takes them from her father («Enki and the World Order», «Inanna and Enki»). Also we do not find here any mention of travels with ME’s or journeys for them. (Emelianov, 2003) One could infer that me were the weapons of mass destructions of their age, when communication was practically inexistent and regression to a primitive life very easy, if the hinges of social life cracked. Now, we can say that the Sumerians were a totally different culture from those of today (we’re talking about 3/4000 years BCE), that their social interactions were embryonic although rigidly codified, or we can say that nothing has really changed at all… >>

If the people of those ancient times had risked and had the naughty idea of ​​waiting for their knowledge to be given to them ready and freed from heaven by some deity,…. there is a risk that to this day they will stare insistently at the strengths of heaven.

Gentutele de la Göbekli Tepe

February 11, 2021

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Am mai atacat acest subiect, insa de aceasta data voi merge mai in profunzime. Am gasit in niste site-uri zeci si zeci de imagini a unor artefacte din lumea intreaga, in care erau figurate in antichitate aceste gentute de mana. Am fost socat/zguduit sa constat ca au fost enorm de multe.

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Am constatat ca ideea si explicatia mea privind originea, rolul si semnificatia lor nu poate constitui o noutate care sa-mi apartina. Nui nimic. acest fapt nu ma intristeaza. Explicatiile oferite de altii sunt relativ superficiale nu prea adanc documentate ori consistente. Locurile unde puteti vedea zeci de imagini unde sunt figurate pe artefacte aceste gentute sunt: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

Un lucru este lamurit, si asupra acestuia majoritatea sunt de acord si anume ce contin gentutele; din prima lucrare: << So, what did Gods carry in their “handbags”? They carried spiritual knowledge>> Lb.Rom.: <<Asa deci, ce duc Zeii in gentile lor de mana? Ei duc cunostinte spirituale.>>

In http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ spune: <<We might interpret the Göbekli Tepe site as having also served as an instructional sanctuary, where (if we believe the statements of later cultures) civilizing skills might have been intentionally introduced to humanity. We find this same outlook expressed in myths that survive in some cultures.>> Lb.Rom.: <<Am putea interpreta site-ul Göbekli Tepe servind ca un sanctuar instructiv, unde (dacă credem declarațiile culturilor ulterioare) abilitățile civilizatoare ar fi putut fi introduse intenționat umanității. Aceeași perspectivă o găsim exprimată în mituri care supraviețuiesc în unele culturi. >>

Din a doua lucrare citata: <<Among other things it shows the Vulture Stone. In mythology of various peoples of the world such “handbags” were depicted in the hands of Gods who gave Knowledge to humanity. Hence, the “handbags” symbolise the process of Knowledge introduction or transfer.>> , Lb.Rom.: <<Printre altele arată Piatra Vulturului. În mitologia diferitelor popoare ale lumii, astfel de „genți de mână” au fost descrise în mâinile zeilor care au dat cunoașterea umanității. Prin urmare, „gențile de mână” simbolizează procesul de introducere sau transfer al cunoștințelor >> Absolut de acord. Apoi zice : <<This is symbolised by peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the Vulture Stone, which are interpreted as graphic representation of sunset or sunrise. …Peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the pillar indicate equinox and/or solstice days. >> Lb.Rom.: << Acest lucru este simbolizat de „genți de mână” deosebite în secțiunea superioară a Pietrei Vulturului, care sunt interpretate ca reprezentare grafică a apusului sau a răsăritului. … „Gențile de mână” specifice în secțiunea superioară a stâlpului indică zilele de echinocțiu și / sau solstițiu. >> Chestiune cu care nu sunt deloc de acord; – de ce sa asociezi niste gentute cu fenomene astronomice complexe nu pe deplin stapanite chiar numai cateva sute de ani in urma ? – Daca gentutele sunt legate de anumite conjunctii ori configuratii astronomice valabile pentru locul si timpul lui Gobekli Tepe, cum se explica prezenta lor in alte locuri si perioade de timp ? ================= EU AFIRM CA : =========

NU SE POATE DEMONSTRA, SI CA ATARE PE MOMENT NU SE POATE SUSTINE O ORIGINE UNICA A SEMNULUI. NU POATE FI VORBA DE O COMUNICARE DIRECTA INTRE CIVILIZATII, IN SCHIMB POATE EXISTA UN GEN DE TRANSMISIE CULTURALA “OSMOZA” INTRE ELE.

Avand in vedere ca urmatoarea afirmatie este cat se poate de adevarata, << To all appearances, in the 10th and 9th millennia BC a widespread system of symbols existed in upper reaches of Tigris and Euphrates. Contents of that system are certainly unknown to us, but it is clear that for people of that remote time signs and symbols served as tools to accumulate a store of cultural memory. >> Lb.Rom.: << Dupa toate aparentele, in mileniile al 10-lea si al 9lea IEN a existat un sistem raspandit de simboluri in partea superioara a Tigrisului si a Eufratului. Conținutul acestui sistem este cu siguranță necunoscut pentru noi, dar este clar că pentru oamenii din acea perioadă îndepărtată semnele și simbolurile au servit ca instrumente pentru a acumula un depozit de memorie culturală.>> (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger/ Au construit primele temple. Sanctuarul enigmatic al vânătorilor din epoca de piatră)

Acest depozit de memorie culturala, semnele si simbolurile au existat in Semiluna Fertila inainte de descoperirea proto-scrierii 3.500-4.000 IEN si sustin eu unele dintre ele au aparut ca icoane pictograme inca din timpurile Gobekli Tepe, iar semnificatia lor a ramas partial in memoria colectiva. O parte se vor regasi mai tarziu la civilizatia sumeriana. Strict vorbnd de gentute, avem printre semnele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme urmatoarele:

Semnul GA2: “cos, cutie, container…”    

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sumerian sign GA2 file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf  “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”                                                                                                                                                                From  https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp;  ” GA (pronounced nga,ñá): basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants].
GA (nga,ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 and ma(3)) ”

 Semnul DUB:”tablita,de lut”

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign DUB~c 𒁾 – Wiktionary
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Semnul URUDU:”obiect luminos=cupru”

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign URUDU~c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (copper, metal). From ùru (luminous object), + dù (to make, apply, mould, cast)

TOATE SEMNIFICATIILE AU LEGATURA CU NISTE CUNOSTINTE DE VALOARE tablita(=scris?), cupru+ puse in cos. Dar avem un cuvant care este o combinatie a doua din cele de sus si arata adevarata semnificatie a gentutei: Din edit.elte.hu › xmlui › bitstreamPDF An introduction to the grammar of Sumerian – EDIT – ELTE <<The reduction of Proto-Semitic gutturals in Akkadian at around this … relational database of around 100.000 administrative cuneiform tablets from the … sumerian dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “ treasury box”>>

======= CE SEMNIFICATIE O FI AVUT GENTUTA LA GOBEKLI TEPE !? ====

Da, cos/container aveau culegator-vanatorii. Obiect stralucitor cam cade, pentru ca metalele nu erau descoperite..eventual aur aluvionar sau pietre pretioase… Semnificatia de origine “tablita” cade intrucat scrisul era inca departe, eventual semne magice !?

Din Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(mythic… In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar Din 2015 – New Indology – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com › … But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress’. Sum. dub ‘to strew; to heap up, pile, pour’ (PSD), ‘to heap up, pour in piles’ (CG), PIE *stup/stub/dub- ‘heap, bunch, tuft’ Lb.Rom. << Dar în acest context putem propune ca forma elamită să fie legată de o rădăcină comună dub / tup- „a ștampila, a impresiona”. Sum. dub ‘a arunca; a îngrămădi, a turna (PSD), a „a îngrămădi, a turna în grămezi” (CG), PIE * stup / stub / dub- „grămadă, smoc”>>

Aceasta semnificatie gen “a ingramadi”are sens. Am incercat sa aflu prima zeitate (Enlil) care a intrat in posesia cunostintelor, de unde le-a avut, de unde provin? Si am gasit doar ca “le-a colectat” Me (mythology) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mythology) <<The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers >> Lb.Rom. : << ME-urile au fost inițial colectate de Enlil și apoi predate în tutela lui Enki, care urma să le distribuie diferitelor centre sumeriene >> Pasajul ne arata ca lui Enlil ori culegator-vanatorilor nu le-au picat cunostintele din cer ori de la vre-o alta zeitate superioara lui Enlil ci cunostintele utile ale umanitatii au fost colectate (adaug eu, probabil de “muritori”, cu greutate pe parcursul a mii de ani)

=== BATAIE LUNGA, SIMILARITATE CU “ME” SUMERIAN =====

SEMNUL GENTUTA A FOST INVENTAT PENTRU PRIMA DATA DE POPULATIA GOBEKLI TEPE. EI AU FOST PRIMII CARE AU IMAGINAT CA CUNOSTINTELE SUNT IMPARTITE OAMENILOR

Acest mit al unei zeitati, erou, sau personaj civilizator, pare ca a aparut independent in diferite locuri in lume si diferite momente in timp. Apoi este lipsit de sens sa ne intrebam ce era exact in gentutele de la Gobekli Tepe. Putem presupune cu un mare coeficient de incredere si veridicitate ca gentutele si continul erau simbolice. Simbolizau transmiterea cunostintelor. Daca la sumerieni stim ce erau exact aceste cunostinte si ca se numeau ME, pentru Gobekli Tepe nu stim cum se numeau aceste cunostinte, (care era echivalentul mai tarziului sumerian Me), pentru ca nu stim nimic despre limba vorbita. Atentie! Lingvistii au constatat ca orice limba este supusa schimbarii si dupa 1000 de ani devine complet neinteleasa, procentul ramas din vechea limba fiind foarte mic. Ori in cazul nostru, intre 9.600 si 3.600 sa zicem, sunt 6 x 1000 de ani !

Din Sumerian Me, memes, neurolinguistics and information warfare April 22, 2007 by assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << The Sumerians developed a set of rules and regulations called me that encompassed every aspect of life, belief, technology, behaviour and human conditions. They were early code, memes codified for human perusal and to pass themselves on. It was an attempt to neurolinguistically program a whole population. They were of utmost social importance and every aspect of Sumerian social life was regulated by them. E.g. the baker was required to go to the temple (where the scripts, or whatever they were [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], were placed in the custody of the god Enki, inventor of civilization) and obtain a me (a meme, or more properly a set of memes) for bakery. That particular me included instruction on how, when, where to perform his craft. Worship, state, sex, every aspect of Sumerian life were treated similarly. The gods of their mythology waged wars in order to conquer and possess the most me, stealing them from each other. The god (king?) with the most me was then able to aggregate (we’re talking politically, but those guys weren’t for the separation of church and state) a larger number of Sumers under his or her aegis.

Inanna, owning 50 ME’s, reminds Ningirsu from Gudea Cylinders: she is a deity of war to whom her father Enlil gives 50 ME’s. It is curious that Inanna of the Old Sumerian texts has a sufficient number of ME’s to win and unite neighbouring countries. Such state of affairs contradicts sharply the data of later written hymns in which Inanna complains about the shortage of ME’s and even takes them from her father («Enki and the World Order», «Inanna and Enki»). Also we do not find here any mention of travels with ME’s or journeys for them. (Emelianov, 2003)

One could infer that me were the weapons of mass destructions of their age, when communication was practically inexistent and regression to a primitive life very easy, if the hinges of social life cracked. Now, we can say that the Sumerians were a totally different culture from those of today (we’re talking about 3/4000 years BCE), that their social interactions were embryonic although rigidly codified, or we can say that nothing has really changed at all… >> Lb.Rom.: << Sumerienii au dezvoltat un set de reguli și reglementări numite ME care cuprindea fiecare aspect al vieții, credinței, tehnologiei, comportamentului și condiției umane. Au fost coduri timpurii, meme codificate pentru examinarea umană și pentru a se transmite mai departe. A fost o încercare de a programa neurolingvistic o întreagă populație. Aveau o importanță socială extremă și fiecare aspect al vieții sociale sumeriene era reglementat de ele. De exemplu. brutarului i s-a cerut să meargă la templu (unde scenariile sau orice altceva au fost acestea [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], au fost plasate în custodia zeului Enki, inventatorul civilizației) și a obținut un ME (un me sau mai corect un set de meme) pentru panificație. Acel ME avea incluse instrucțiuni speciale despre cum, când, unde să-și desfășoare meseria. Închinarea, starea, sexul, fiecare aspect al vieții sumeriene au fost tratate în mod similar. Zeii mitologiei lor au purtat războaie pentru a cuceri și a poseda cel mai mult, furându-i unul de celălalt. Zeul (regele?) cu cele mai multe ME a fost capabil să adune (vorbim politic, dar tipii aceia nu erau pentru separarea bisericii de stat) un număr mai mare de sumerieni sub egida sa. Inanna, care deține 50 de ME, îi amintește lui Ningirsu de la Gudea Cylinders: este o zeitate de război căreia tatăl ei Enlil îi dă 50 de ME. Este curios că textele lui Inanna din vechile sumeriene au un număr suficient de ME pentru a câștiga și uni țările vecine. O astfel de stare de fapt contrazice aspru datele imnurilor scrise ulterior, în care Inanna se plânge de lipsa ME și le ia chiar de la tatăl ei («Enki și Ordinea Mondială», «Inanna și Enki»). De asemenea, nu găsim aici nicio mențiune despre călătoriile cu ME sau călătoriile pentru aceștia. (Emelianov, 2003) S-ar putea deduce că ME erau armele distrugerilor în masă ale epocii lor, când comunicarea era practic inexistentă și regresia către o viață primitivă foarte ușoară, dacă balamalele vieții sociale se rupeau. Acum, putem spune că sumerienii au fost o cultură total diferită de cea de astăzi (vorbim despre 3/4000 de ani î.Hr.), că interacțiunile lor sociale au fost embrionare, deși rigid codificate, sau putem spune că nimic nu s-a schimbat cu adevărat la toate … >>

Daca oamenii din acele timpuri vechi ar fi riscat si ar fi avut ideea nastrusnica sa astepte ca cunostintele sa le fie date de-a gata si slobozite din cer de vre-o divinitate, ….. exista riscul ca pana in ziua de azi sa se holbeze insisteent la tariile cerului.

Göbekli Tepe’de Tanrı mı Ruhlar mı?

February 10, 2021

Sayfa adresi: https://tartariatablets.com/2021/02/10/gobekli-tepede-tanri-mi-ruhlar-mi/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/06/gobeki-tepe/ Tarihinden MÖ 8000’e kadar uzanan bu gerçek boyutlu heykel, dünyanın en eski tapınağı olan Göbekli Tepe’den dokuz mil uzaklıkta, Türkiye’nin güneydoğusunda bulundu. Avcı-toplayıcılar karmaşık bir sosyal yapıya geçerken, insan veya tanrı tasvirleri görünmeye başladı. https://www.facebook.com/bronzeagecollapse/posts/the-urfa-manworlds-oldest-statue-of-a-humana-neolithic-narrativeurfa-man-carved-/859111487609255/ adresinden

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“Urfa Adamı”… Dünyanın En Eski İnsan Heykeli… Neolitik Bir Anlatı: {“Urfa” adamı: Oyma taş, gözler obsidiyen. Göbekli Tepe, Anadolu, Türkiye Ca. MÖ 8000. İlk önce bir insan formunun hayat heykelinden daha büyük. Bu, Karlsruhe’deki bir sergiden aynı büyüklükte bir replikadır. Aslı Şanlıurfa, Türkiye müzesindedir.} Dünyanın en eski heykeli, 1993’te Balıklıgöl’de bulunan iki metre yüksekliğindeki bir erkek heykelidir. Kireçtaşı heykeli gözleri obsidiyenden oyulmuş bir adam iki eliyle genital organını ele geçiriyor. Bulunduğu bölgeden dolayı bu ismi alan Urfa Adam heykeli, birçok nedenden ötürü olağanüstüdür. Birincisi, Göbekli Tepe’de bulunan yüzlerce oymadan [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155548813808349…] türünün tek örneğidir. Heykel 6 metre boyunda ve taştan oyulmuş. Kesinlikle insansıdır ve siyah obsidiyen gibi görünen gözlerle tüysüz bir adamı tasvir eder.

Eğer bu MÖ 8.000’de ise muhtemelen MÖ 9.600’de, birinci dünya tanrısı olduğundan şüpheleniliyor. tanrılar henüz icat edilmemişti. MÖ 9.600’deki tanrı nasıl düşünülür? ne zaman roman gaddar “dün” animistik inanç ve varlıklar kadar:

GENİŞ ERİŞİLEBİLİRLİK İÇİN KULLANILAN TERMİNOLOJİ VE METİNİN ANLAŞILMASI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numen 20. yüzyılın başlarından beri numen, din tarihinde bazen animistik öncesi bir aşama olarak ele alınmıştır; yani, daha önceki bir zamandan miras kalan bir inanç sistemi. Numen ayrıca sosyologlar tarafından, özellikle batı geleneğindeki fikirler hakkında yazarken, bir nesnede bulunan büyülü güç fikrine atıfta bulunmak için kullanılır. …. Numen, pl. numina, “ilahiyat” veya “ilahi mevcudiyet”, “ilahi irade” için Latince bir terimdir. Latin yazarlar bunu şu şekilde tanımladılar: [1] Cicero bir “ilahi zihin” (divina mens), “nümerik her şeyin itaat ettiği bir tanrı” ve insanların hayatını kaplayan “ilahi bir güç” (vis divina) ” . ” Ağustos boyunca kuşların hareketlerine ve ağlamalarına neden olur.

Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism’den << Animizm (Latince’den: anima, ‘nefes, ruh, yaşam’) [1] [2] nesnelerin, yerlerin ve yaratıkların hepsinin bir farklı ruhsal öz.

Potansiyel olarak, animizm her şeyi – hayvanlar, bitkiler, kayalar, nehirler, hava sistemleri, insan el işi ve hatta belki kelimeleri – canlı ve canlı olarak algılar. Animizm, din antropolojisinde pek çok yerli halkın inanç sistemi için bir terim olarak kullanılır, özellikle organize dinlerin nispeten daha yeni gelişmesinin aksine. Her kültürün kendine özgü farklı mitolojileri ve ritüelleri olmasına rağmen, animizmin yerli halkların “ruhsal” veya “doğaüstü” perspektiflerinin en yaygın, temel çizgisini tanımladığı söyleniyor. Animistik bakış açısı o kadar yaygın ve yerli halkların çoğuna özgüdür ki kendi dillerinde “animizm” e (hatta “din”) karşılık gelen bir kelimeye bile sahip değildirler; [9] bu terim antropolojik bir yapıdır. … ..…. Büyük ölçüde bu tür etnolinguistik ve kültürel tutarsızlıklar nedeniyle, animizmin dünyadaki yerli halklar için ortak olan atalara ait bir deneyim tarzına mı yoksa kendi başına tam teşekküllü bir dine mi atıfta bulunduğu konusunda görüşler farklılaşmıştır. Şu anda kabul edilen animizm tanımı yalnızca 19. yüzyılın sonlarında (1871), onu “antropolojinin ilk olmasa da en eski kavramlarından biri” olarak formüle eden Sir Edward Tylor tarafından geliştirildi.…. … .. Animizm, tüm maddi fenomenlerin failliği olduğu, ruhsal ve fiziksel (veya maddi) dünya arasında sert ve hızlı bir ayrım olmadığı ve ruhun veya ruhun veya hissiyatın sadece insanlarda değil diğer hayvanlarda da var olduğu inancını kapsar. bitkiler, kayalar, dağlar veya nehirler gibi coğrafi özellikler veya doğal çevrenin diğer varlıkları: su spriteleri, bitki örtüsü tanrıları, ağaç spriteleri, vb. Animizm ayrıca, kelimeler, gerçek isimler veya metaforlar gibi soyut kavramlara bir yaşam gücü atfedebilir. mitoloji >>

Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism#Shamanism << sitesinden Şaman, bir ritüel sırasında tipik olarak trans durumuna giren yardımsever ve kötü ruhların dünyasına erişimi ve etkisi olduğu kabul edilen bir kişidir. Mircea Eliade’ye göre şamanizm, şamanların insan dünyası ile ruh dünyaları arasında aracılar veya haberciler olduğu öncülünü kapsar. Şamanların ruhu düzelterek rahatsızlıkları / hastalıkları tedavi ettiği söylenir. Ruh / ruhu etkileyen travmaları hafifletmek, bireyin fiziksel bedenini dengeye ve bütünlüğe geri kazandırır. Şaman ayrıca topluluğu etkileyen sorunlara çözümler bulmak için doğaüstü alemlere veya boyutlara girer. Şamanlar, yanlış yönlendirilmiş ruhlara rehberlik etmek ve yabancı unsurların neden olduğu insan ruhunun hastalıklarını iyileştirmek için başka dünyaları / boyutları ziyaret edebilirler.>>

Bir Animizm Tarihi ve Çağdaş Örnekleri https://brewminate.com/a-history-of-animism-and-its-contemporary-examples/ << Animist düşüncenin temel taşı, bir tür metafizik varlıkların varlığının doğrulanmasıdır ( insanların, hayvanların, bitkilerin ve hatta cansız nesnelerin ve fenomenlerin yaşam kaynağı (veya yaşam gücü) olarak görülen ruhlar veya ruhlar gibi. Animistik kültürler için, bu varlıkların varlığı (ilgili işlemsel ve isteğe bağlı nitelikleriyle) hem doğal dünyada hem de insan dünyasında tanık olunan sayısız değişikliğin açıklamalarını sağlar. … .. Animizmin bir din olmadığını savunan düşünürler, daha “bölümsel” tanrılara olan inançla çok tanrılığın ve dolayısıyla tam anlamıyla dinsel düşünce olarak kabul edilen şeyin geliştiğini iddia ediyorlar. Bu teorisyenlere göre, çok tanrılı inançlar, animist dünya görüşünün temel ruhlarının önüne geçer. Bunun aksine, animizmin bir din olduğunu savunanlar, büyülü ayinlerde bile, animistin tanımladığı ruhlara yönelik bir ibadet biçiminin olduğu gerçeğine odaklanır >>.

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Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism adresinden Animist altar, Bozo village, MoptiBandiagaraMali, in 1972

GÖBEKLİ TEPE’DE HAYVAN BİR DİN BİÇİMİMİZ VAR. DOĞRU TANRILAR YOK, İNSAN GİBİ HİÇBİR FAKAT KESKİN TANIMLANMIŞ BİR İLAHİ VARLIK YOKTUR. T-FORM BUNUN ŞEKLİDİR. YAŞAM GÜCÜ RUHUDUR. SUMERIAN “ME” YAKININA YAKIN (VEYA DAHA SONRA BİRLEŞTİREN) BİR ŞEY. VE MUHTEMEL AYRICA TI VE ZU / yaşam ve bilmek. MERKEZİ, EŞSİZ BİR RUH İLAHİSİ VARDIR, HERKESİN İÇİNDE YAŞAM GÜCÜ BULUNMAKTADIR YANINDA FARKLI KABELELERİ TANIMLAYAN TOTEMLER VARDIR.

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Bir ay önce bir hipotez yaptım. Sümer uygarlığı 4.000 I.E.N. Dünyadaki en gelişmiş medeniyet, ama aynı zamanda Bereketli Hilal bölgesinde. Kanımca, sadece en gelişmiş olanı olabilecek daha eski birinden gelmesi mantıklı. Ve bölgede bilinen en eski ama aynı zamanda gelişmiş, o zamanlar için daha üstün olan hangisi? (Tahıl ve hayvanların Anadolu yakınlarından da evcilleştirilmeye başlandığı göz önüne alındığında). Göbekli Tepe tasarısının bazı toplulukları var (Nevalı Çori?, Çatalhöyük?) Ve daha fazlası. Göbekli Tepe’den birkaç bin yıl sonra, Sümerlerde ilahiyatla ilişkilendirilen proto-çivi yazısı işareti T’yi buluyoruz. Kesinlikle T simgesi ve ideogram çok daha eskidir, Sümerler proto-yazmayı keşfetmeden önce varmış gibi görünüyor. https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html ME~a

Göbekli Tepe ve Sümerlere aynı biçimde aktarılan ve mevcut olan başka bir işaretimiz (aslında bir simge) olduğu için bu işaretleri iletme hipotezini yapmak için cesaretli hissediyorum. Bu, el çantasının simgesidir.

T işareti Sümerler ME’yi temsil eder: “varlık, öz, ilahi kararname, kehanet, ayin ve diğerleri, örneğin kavga. https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; ge : işlev, ofis, sorumluluk; ideal norm; bir tanrının gücünün olağanüstü alanı; ilahi kararname, kehanet; kült. ;olmak

On the Original Meaning of Sumerian ME (Images of …vdi.igh.ru › issues › articles On the Original Meaning of Sumerian ME (Images of Weltanschauung and the Methods of Their Study). Yemelyanov Vladimir V. [orijinal anlamı << yaşayacak >>]

Bu ilahi bilgi ME’ler, onu tanrı Enki aracılığıyla tapınaklar aracılığıyla halka dağıtılması için veren yüce tanrı Enlil tarafından toplandı ve Enki bunları doğrudan değil, yerel Ensi liderleri / valileri aracılığıyla >> insanlara verdi. ME’ler (bilgi; bir set = birkaç = ben-ben) deneyim ve bilgi alışverişi. Burada, aynı şekilde, şamanlar, kabile liderlerine pratik sosyal, maddi ve dini yaşamın tüm alanlarındaki bilgileri dağıttılar.

Göbekli Tepe’de, periyodik olarak avcı-toplayıcılardan oluşan daha büyük bir topluluk (ve yine de muhtemelen 300 km’lik bir yarıçap içinde yerel) toplanır. Aynı ilgi ve kaygılara sahip farklı bir topluluğa ait olduklarını düşündükleri için bir araya geldiler. Bağlayıcı, ilk etapta maddi bir ilgi değil, sosyal, kültürel ve dini nitelikteki unsurların toplamından oluşuyordu. Orada bilgi ve avlanma teknikleri değiş tokuş edildi, klanlar içinde bir tür liderlik organizasyonu yapıldı, ortaklar arandı ve değiş tokuş edildi ve şamanik-animist ritüeller uygulandı. Ölüler, atalarının kültü sayesinde süreklilik ve kültürel-dinsel birliğe kavuştu.

T sembolü, aynı zamanda T sütunları da hayatın sembolleriydi. Hayatın özü olarak algılanan bir animist varlık, bir ruh olması mümkündür. Kalabalıklar bile, yaşamın onurlandırıldığı ritüelleri ve dini alayları topladı ve uyguladı. Hayat döngüsünün yeniden başlamasına odaklanan yıllık festivaller olabileceğini bile varsayıyorum, muhtemelen yeni yılın başlangıcına odaklanan bir şenlik.

Bir ölü kültünün yaygın ve yaygın uygulamasını göremezdim (örneğin Etrüsklerde olduğu gibi). Ölüm, yaşam döngüsünün doğal bir parçası olarak algılandı. Evet, hipotez ilerledikçe, kuşlar (özellikle kartallar) yaşam alanı ile ölüler diyarı arasında haberciler olarak görülüyordu. Vinca-Turdas Uygarlığı’nın (M.Ö.6.000) bir kuş-tanrıçası varsa, neden daha eski bir uygarlık, insan benzeri bir antropomorfik değil, tanrı olarak bir kuşa sahip olmasın?

Bu ölüler, pratikte atalar kültü aracılığıyla, topluluğun sürekliliğini ve bütünlüğünü her şeyden daha fazla sağladı. Bununla bağlantılı olarak şamanların rolü büyük önem taşıyordu. Çünkü onlar, ritüellerle, tüm bileşen unsurların aralarındaki bağlantıları ve eklemlenmeyi ayrıntılı olarak sağlamada ve sürdürmede tam bir otorite ile kredilendirildiler.

Birçoğu, T ve H işaretlerinin olası bir bağlantısının, ölüler aleminin yanı sıra başka bir saf ruhani gerçekliğe giriş kapılarını temsil ettiğini ifade eder. Güney Ermenistan’da, aslanların birçok kültürde kraliyet kapılarını koruduğu bilinen bazı mağara resimlerinde (aslan işaretlerini T işaretleriyle değiştirerek) bulundu. Bazıları, Mısır’da T sembolünün kapı anlamına geldiğini söylüyor. Sonra ben ve diğerleri, Mısırlılar tarafından ruhlar için istenen varış noktası olarak bilinen takımyıldız Orion olarak H işaretine atıfta bulundular (KA = ruh)

-Eğer aşamasına ulaştılarsa; bir tanrı düşünürdü, o tanrının en azından küçük bir ölçüde antropomorfik olduğundan başka hiçbir şey görmüyorum. T yıldızları, yüzeysel olarak şekillendirilmiş ellere sahip olsalar bile antropomorfik şekiller değildir. Son derece stilize edilmiş şekillerdir. Sonra heykelcikleri bulunacak ve hepsinin benzer olması gerekiyordu. Urfalı adam gibi. Şamanların antropomorfik bir tanrıya razı olmadıklarını düşünüyorum. İnsanlar ve az çok gizli bir tanrı arasındaki aracı rolünü kaybedebilirlerdi. Belki onlar, hayal edilmemişlerse de T şekli için rıza göstermişlerdi.