LINEAR A A-DU and DA-I

July 4, 2018

A-DU and DA-I

From LLR 06: An Introduction to Minoan Linear A – the LINCOM webshop                         lincom-shop.eu › … › LLR 06: An Introduction to Minoan Linear A                                       ……RA (the Madonna of the Luwians) or to DA.MA.TE (the Earth Mother or Demeter). …………………..not convinced                                                                                                                 ———————————————————————————————————————————-From John G. YOUNGER, 10b. Transaction Words http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/#10

A-DU = “assessment”?:                                                                                                                  DA-I = “total”?:…………………indicates in some way a completed action (like a perfect of A-DU), could DA-I be a completed transaction *

linear A DA-I (dai):”then” (Richard Wallance https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2017/02/05/6-more-minoan-linear-a-putative-proto-greek-or-proto-mycenaean-words-da-di-but-are-they-proto-greek-at-all/ ) ,or

FLOURISHING OF THE MINOAN GREEK STATE IN THE LINEAR A …

about the Greekness of Linear B (15th-13th centuries BCE) while earlier Cretan ….. It is natural that technical terms of accountancy and of articles of commerce such as pots should have been borrowed. The further ….. 1 da-i 50, so da-i ‘total‘,   

  • Particle

    *de ~ *do or *-de ~ *-do[1]

    Emphatic or contrastive particleandbut[2]

  • Postpositive demonstrative particletowards[
  • Ancient Greek: δή (dḗ)δαί (daí)

Hmm? ! …………I’m proposing for linear A DA-I, Dai: “it is,Give“,                                                          (as the word was at the finish of an accounting 2+2 dai 4 ;2+2 it is?give 4);                         In Romanian DA:”give” dai:(you) “give”

The Nostratic Macrofamily: A Study in Distant Linguistic Relationship

Allan R. Bomhard, ‎John C. Kerns – 1994 – ‎Language Arts & Disciplines

Proto—Nostratic *t’uw—/*t’ow— ‘to give, to put, to place’: A. Proto—IndoEuropean (*t’ow—C— >) *t’0’— ‘to give, to put, … to make, to prepare’, 931; Pokorny 19592223—226 *do- 2 *da-, *do-u— 2 *dau— : *du— ‘to give‘; Walde 1927—1932.

Original meaning of greek IDA ?

July 3, 2018

mount-ida-crete-10

Out of                                                                                                                                                 EDE/HEDE :                                                                                                                        From Strong’s Greek: 3592. ὅδε, (hode, héde, tode) — this (referring to what …  biblehub.com/greek/3592.htm

 “this one,this

 and greek                                                                                        EIDO                                     eido-, eid-; ido-, id- + – Word Information

wordinfo.info/unit/705  Greek: image, figure, form, shape; literally, “that which is seen”   Indo-European laryngeals in Afro-Asiatic perspective – тема научной …

Also gr.OIDA :”to know,see”

Items 35 – 44 – Keywords: IndoEuropean, Afro-Asiatic, Nostratic, long-range …… Aramaic ydda*, Syriac ida*, Mandaic yda “to know”; Arabic ?ayda*a “to inform”; .

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I’ve found:                                                                                                                              SUMERIAN GLOSSARY – OoCities http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianGlossary.htmSumerian Glossary. … IMPORTANT NOTE: Though I hope some will still find this glossary to be useful (it can be …… ida2: noun, river; main canal; watercourse

Maximillien De Lafayette – 2014 – ‎Education

Edu: Sumerian. Adjective. a- Single. … Eduku: Sumerian/Babylonian/Assyrian. Noun. House of the … Eeda “Ida”: Aramaic/Assyrian/Sumerian. Noun. a- A feast

From Full text of “Vedic And Indo European Studies Nicholas Kazanas”

As the title Vedic and IndoEuropean Studies indicates, this volume consists of …… lopa, temporary ‘disappearance’ adarsana : P 1,1, 60): e.g. ‘Ida ‘giving‘ > da-da-ti ‘one …… 323. know : S vid-/ved- ; Gkoida (perf); C fet-ar ; Gm witan ; SI vedeti.

 

Zinda 8 April 2007 http://www.zindamagazine.com/html/archives/2007/04.08.07/index_one.php Tammuz is the Akkadian equivalent of the Sumerian Dummuzi, Inanna’s husband. … InGreece, the egg was celebrated as part of the nocturnal … synonymous, both of which were called IDA, (pronounced eeda). Now IDA, in ancient Assyrian language, had two meanings: 1) Festival, and 2) knowledge.

Proto-Indo-European in Prometheus? June 8, 2012 @ 7:57 am · Filed by  under Language and cultureQuizzes http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4008

ida This is a little strange since the *id stem is usually neuter in IE (as it still is in English it). But hmanəm is also either neuter or masculine accusative, neither of which seems quite right if it is supposed to be ‘man’ (for more usual *(dh)ĝh(e)mon- or something) – either I’m not sure why it’s neuter, or I’m not sure what it’s the object of. Perhaps the -əm is meant as an absolutive marker? Anyway, even if hmanəm is neuter, ida might mean ‘here, now‘, like Avestan iδa (Sanskrit iha). …………………………………………………………………………………….                                                       christian said, June 21, 2012 @ 12:05 am

  1. The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn’t make the final edit) is as follows:                                                                           /ida hmanəm aɪ kja namṛtuh zdɛ:taha/…/ghʷɪvah-pjorn-ɪttham sas da:tṛ kredah/     in English is: ‘This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life’                                                                                                           KD said, June 21, 2012 @
  2. 2:29 am  Ah, well now we know the transliteration and the translation (thanks Anil!) it’s a lot easier to pick out the roots! Here’s my attempt:ida= *h1id, demonstrative pronoun (cf. English this, the)
    hmanəm = *(dh)ghomon, “human (literally ‘earthling’) (cf. Latin homo, hominis English human)
    kja = *kwi, relative pronoun (cf. Latin qui, English who)
    na- = *ne, negative prefix (cf. English ‘no’ etc.)
    mrtuh = *mer, “to die” (cf. Latin mors, mortis, English murder)
    ghʷɪvah – *gweiə (life, cf. Latin vivus, Greek bios, English quick)
    pjorn – really not sure about this one… maybe from *pu, meaning to “blow, swell”?
    iittham = *tuhom (?), emphatic second person pronoun, “you” (cf. Latin tu, English thou) (?)
    sas = *so, masculine demonstative pronoun functioning as 3rd person pronoun, “him” (?)
    datr = *do, “give” (cf. Latin dos, dotis, English dowry)
    kreda = *kre-dhə, “to place trust, ie. believe” (cf. Latin credere)Pjorn, ittahm and sas gave me a bit of trouble, so I’d appreciate any better suggestions. Three of the roots had been correctly identified on this comment thread: *mer, *gweiə and *kre-dhə, so that’s something at least! I’ll leave it to more competent linguists to parse the syntactical relations in the sentence.@Lethal_Mutation
    The similarities to Latin are not a coincidence; since Latin is a descendant of PIE, and one of our main sources for that language, it’s not surprising it retains a few roots with forms and meanings close to the source language. As Anil has said, ‘Engineer’ is based to some extent on PIE; whether it’s intended to be another descendant of PIE, its ancestor, or a language which influenced it, is another interesting question.

So                IDA ment “(It is?),Here,now,this

Deities!! – Angelfire http://www.angelfire.com/hi/SupernaturalThings/Deity.html    Belili: SumerianGoddess of Love, Romance, and the Moon. Belit-ilanit: … Ida: Hindu; Goddess of Dedication, Devotion, Divination, Oracles, Prophesy.

Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others

Stephanie Dalley – 2000 – ‎Fiction

Priests and Priestesses—enu (Sumerian en), high priest, a role sometimes filled in early times by a … River—Sumerian goddess Ida. 

A distinctive and characteristic Sumerian god was Ea, who was supreme at the …. Engur, “god of the abyss”, Naqbu, “the deep”, and Lugal-ida, “king of the river“.

 

                           I D A  = (image=ikon”?) Goddess IDA 

 

SCHOLAR’S PROGRESS IN DECIPHERING ANCIENT WRITINGS

June 29, 2018

Note.                                                                                                                                                    The first 5 positions regarding other (than Tartaria) writings are quick reviews. Rather of no practical use. Figures are estimates, only for general reference.

NO SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN DECIPHERING INDUS/HARAPPA WRITING                   I understand why it is hard; there are so many signs and the writing is not highly organised, and remained at best at the stage of proto-writing.

SUPPOSED VINCA WRITING (5.700-4.200 B.C.)                                                                        No way of proper writing, no prooved proto-writing. The sign library is great, but writing stalled or stopped at a level situated  before proto-writing or rather near-close to proto-writing.

CUCUTENI-TRYPILLIA (somehow later than Vinca (highest developement at 4.800-3.000B.C.)            No prooven proto-writing, writing excluded.

PROTO-ELAMITE                                                                                                                                Progress in reasearch are made, due to similarity to sumerian (&proto iranian) but not entire solved (language?!) 3.400-2.500 B.C.

CRETAN HIEROGLIPHYC (2100–1700 B.C.) ,LINEAR A   (1800–1450 B.C.)                                                                                     Most of the signs known. But the rest no; for  some of them not unanimously agreeding of phonetical rendering. Some languages in focuss. Not sure about language. SIGNIFICANT PROGRESSING.

ETEOCRETAN   ( late 7th  to the 3rd century B.C.)                                                                                                                            Archaic greek alphabet/letters, but not sure what language (semitic proposed?).

TARTARIA TABLETS   (late Vinca? 4.800-4.200 B.C.)                                         

Settling discovery circumstances, dating and utilization of the Tărtăria …   https://www.researchgate.net/…/29726577_Settling_discovery_circumstances_dating_an…
PDF |they settled the tablets from about 2900-2700 BC (Vlassa 1976: 33) to 2500BC (Hood:1967:110) 
                                                                     Hand-made by me, round Tartaria tablet replica / sinthetic clay:

36320642_1671848542936382_8881202476397625344_n                                                                                                                         Worst possible situation. From 1961 (discovery date) no consistent reasearch results. Maybe one notable contribution of Rumen Kolev (he is right in some 40%)                  World scholars seems to stay in a state of expectation and in real disarray. No eager to expose themselves as to utter definite statements.The range of hypothesis upon people,signs and language involved is so wide that one get in a maze; one don’t know what to take in account or consider more or less important.Understandable some-how, because:                                                                                                                                                   – It is not known  for sure real age > ? to what culture exactly pertain?                                     tablets are kind of singletons, unique, no others in the area to compare with                        -not known the writing system; worse: every tablet is presenting an different type of writing .Those types of writings are usual distanced by 500-1000 yars. Eg.Pictographic used (4000-2200B.C.); proto-cuneiform /syllabary(3300-1500B.C.); syllabary/alphabetic (1500 B.C. onward)                                                                                                                                      -din’t know the timing (aprox. to what  period of time pertain) so not even guess what language family and less of the concrete language those peple spoke. (see the supposed 10 languages hypothesised for linear A!)

If for Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A one have to search in a kind of mist, you must realise that for tablets supposed older than this(Tartaria) the searching is much harder.

Luckily enough, out of 2 -3 writing systems wich were used on Tartaria tablets, the logical thinking is to consider  the age of  entire set of the tablets (3pcs) as having the age of the latest wryting system,newer/latest-one used.                                                            Also luckily as the writing is less evolved the meaning is general and could be deduced not necessary knowing the language ! Some of the religion-economical life icons were close related  in ancient past (if not some of them beeing the same on a large area in the far past Eg. corn, goat, bull,).

Out of this reasoning the preliminary conclusion is that upon that                                    T H E  T A B L E T S  A R E   N O T   S O   O L D ;                                                                          Forget 5.500 B.C. ! could not be take seriously in account; not even as joke only as a prank.                                                                                                                                                       ————————————————————————-————————————————————— EXPECTED READING, No. of POSSIBILITIES

We have 3 tablets: pictographic(*1); squarred with hole(*2); round-one (*3) We suppose that entire set was written in a definite time when used 1(one) definite language (“x”)            Note                                                                                                                                                       I could read:                                                                                                                                        *2 using Sumerian Proto-cuneiform library of signs and separate using Cretan hieroglyphic and linear A/B syllabogram                                                                                      *3 using Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A/B; also separate reading using archaic greek alphabet                                                                                                                             Note. Even the Anatolian writings got highest score relative to the signs used I not try to read cause those languages (and writing) are far out of my expertise.

In best (simple,easy) situation *2 and *3 are using syllabary and *1 is using pictograms as kind of help/Rebus principle-like.                                                                            —————————-      you could pass-over this don’t want to get you tired !    ——————–

Tablet  Language           Type of writing   Aprox. number of possible readings                        ——————————————————————————————————————————–      *1               x                        P(pictographic)                         P1-3

*2               x                       PC(Proto-cuneiform)?              B1-3                                                                             x                           S1(Syllabary*1) ?                   b1?

*3               x                        S2 (syllabary*2″)?                      C1?                                                                             x                         A(alphabet)        ?                     A~ 5-10

In best situation *2 and *3 are using syllabary and *1 is using pictogram as kind of help/Rebus principle-like.                                                                                                                    ———————————————————————————————————————————-        Note:                                                                                                                                                             The artefacts found near the tablets are evidencing relation to Cyclades. No matter if cultural exchange was  from north to south or reverse the result is the same.                       ———————————————————————————————————————————          In this case the meaning of the entire set will be :

a mixture: [b1 ;C1]      ?+ help of P?    Messages of the set:1  or with much more variants:           -“-         [B1-3 ; C1]                   -“-                         ~3                                                                               -“-        [B1-3 ; A5-10]              -“-        combinations of 3 by 10                                                         -“-        [b1 ; A5-10 ]                 -“-                        min  1o

—————————————————   you passed-over  !  ——————————————————Now everyone could realise  an weird abnormal situation when somebody is using 2 types of writing (PC+S; PC+A; S+A)                                                                                                   Note:  ! I not counted that pictographic wich could be for help!?

!? W H Y ? ?                                                                                                                                         …………………………………Only if was kind of preast=teacher !                            Or possible only the round-one is carring a precise message,                                                      and the rest of the signs on the other tablets are sacred, religion-associated icons (possible  with forgotten meanings),                                                                                          used in most of  religious rituals from far back in time (before the moment these tablets were written ).                                                          ============================================================================Where from those numbers of variants/series ?                                                                               Eg.    Round-tablet, upside-left quadrant ; using archaic greek alphabet                           signs HP,D/D (Eta/heta-  Rho/D.Delta)                                                                                Possible readings:                                                                                                              monograms for deities: 1HeRos, 2HeRa, 3HeRos, 4HeRakles,                                      (gr.1″Lord”, 2″Lady”…….)                                                                                                              5HieRa, 6HaR, 7cHaR, 8HoRos,                                                                                                   (5″sacred objects”; 6″fitted in beautiful manner”:….)                                                                  9ED10EDe, 11EDo, 12HeDe, 13HeDus, 14*HeD,                                                                      9.alb.”kid-goat”…..10.lat.”eat!”/kid-goat!”11.gr.”I eat”

                                                                                   

 

Tartaria tablets.What script and language is expected !?

June 27, 2018

1.EUROPE NEOLITHIC/BRONZE AGE WRITING LANDSCAPE

In neolithic, Vinca-Turdas culture developed toward writing slowly , step by step. On its own (independently) or influenced, by pressure of incoming migrating people waves. Pity, despite the fact that the social life was well, quite-high developed, the stage of organisation was not so high, at the level of those sumerian, egyptian or proto-elamite ones. Vinca culture become highly developed, but even in later Cucuteni-Tyripilia culture writing not reached the proto-writing stage. Not known or found exemples of writing from this later than Vinca cultures (my recollecction, not even of proto-writing) . Vincans missed another more 500-1000 years to reach proto writing and maybe later writing.The Vinca signs are pottery-mark signs, artistic and religious symbols, not much more.Tartaria tablets shows evidence of proto-writing, as using proto-cuneiform signs symilar or the same as proto-cuneiform sumerian. But out of Tartaria tablets (maybe + Gradeshnitza and +Dispilio tablet) we have no other examples.So they are isolates.(Not the same case with Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A/B where we have hundreds of tablets).So the tablets are not pertaining to a high=organised society wich reached the stage to fix and transmit elements of economic and and social life by meaning of writing.In other words they are not Vincan’s.                                                   They are coming from somewhere outside area.                                                                There is a gap between Vinca-Turdas signs and organised Tartaria tablets signs.    So or they were made by “fallen from sky” sumerians, (from wich we have in the tablets all the signs  from sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library), or much realistic (much close?) anatolian metal prospectors. Or finaly none of above, coming by some kind of economic-cultural exchange from Aegean area. Bringed by a ?farmers/metal-workers?family coming from Aegean/Cyclades area. The round tablet shows evidence and signs of a syllabary, (even alphabetic writing in upper half.)                                               —————————- from papers related to suject —————————————————                           me:  …..Suspect connexion of Aegean writings to those of Near-East .Clues,hipothesys, arguments: 

The Tartaria Tablets M. S. F. Hood  https://doi.org/10.1017/S0003598X00033032

The inscribed clay tablets (PL. XVIa) found in a ‘Neolithic’ context at Tartaria (FIG. 1) in Romania in 1961 have already aroused a certain amount of interest here. The signs on the tablets are comparable with those of the script of the Late Predynastic (Uruk III Jemdet Nasr) period in Mesopotamia, as Dr Vlassa who excavated them has noted. It seems unlikely however that the tablets were drafted by a Sumerian hand or in the Sumerian language of early Mesopotamia. The shapes of the tablets and some of the signs are paralleled in the Minoan scripts of Crete, but the tablets do not seem to be Cretan. There are indications that a similar use of signs, if not actual writing, was practised in the rest of the Aegean and in Western Anatolia before the end of the 3rd millennium B.C. A knowledge of writing, or the use of signs derived from it, may have spread to these regions and to the Balkans from Mesopotamia through Syria. This was perhaps one aspect of a common inheritance of religious or magical beliefs and practices. ============================================================================

From http://www.anistor.gr/index.html Anistoriton Journal, vol. 15 (2016-2017) Essays 5 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wIyjrlgkB-pTChOQSHfMneG9Q24e523fRqeFj46Wm4A/edit

   [5] After an idea since 1978 and almost 10 years of research, Kenanidis (1992) published (in Modern Greek) a study connecting the phonetic values of the linear scripts’ syllabograms to common or culturally important words of the Archaic Sumerian language, through the rebus principle. This study extensively refers to the Cretan Protolinear script, considering as the only survived samples of it three inscriptions on: a clay seal (Karageorghis & Masson 1968); a fragment of vessel with three syllabograms (Kenanidis 1992, p. 3) that is officially regarded as a Linear-B inscription; and a part of an Eteocretan inscription (Duhoux 1982, pp. 95-111: Illustration 27) that, because of its late construction (300 BC), its authenticity had to be argued for (Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015b).

[6] Weingarten (1994) argues for an administrative system in Crete (using seals and record keeping) that would have been directly imported from the Near East.

[7] Owens (1996) argues for the common origin of Cretan Hieroglyphs and Linear-A. Alternative approaches had been presented and commented in the recent past (Hooker 1992).

 

[8] Schoep (1999, p. 266) can not rule out the existence of a common ancestor for Cretan Hieroglyphics and Linear-A, based on the common signs. The two writing systems probably serve different needs (e.g. decorative and ritual vs. administrative).

[9] Glarner (2002) observes that many characters from Linear-A are identical to the archaic archetypes of the Mesopotamian Cuneiform. Yet, the relationship was rejected as impossible because of the large distance between the two areas (Mesopotamia and Crete). The rejection was very premature considering the next points:

▪ All that we know about the Sumerians is from what was written on the existing cuneiform tablets. There are hundreds of thousands of such tablets but only about 10% have been read so far (BAS-Library 2005; Watkins & Snyder 2003). There are still many thousands of tablets in the store rooms of museums but there are not enough experts to read them.

▪ Historical evidence written on the deciphered part of the existing cuneiform tablets was ignored: The tablets of Mari (18th century BC), stating that “the hand of Sargon” had reached places beyond the “upper sea” (Mediterranean) as far as the island of copper (Cyprus) and “Kaptara”, the most ancient reference to Crete (Strange 1982; Drandakis 1956); Before the era of Sargon the Great (24th-23rd centuries BC), the earliest reports extend the rule of the Sumerian kingdoms to the Mediterranean coast since the 28th century BC, during the reign of Meskiaggasher, king of Uruk (Jacobsen 1939). The same wide regional coverage appears during the reign of Lugalanemundu (2525-2500 BC), king of Adab (Guisepi and Willis 2003).

▪ The period of the Uruk expansion was not known (Sundsdal 2011; Algaze 2005a,b), while Kramer (1963) was also ignored: “...by the third millennium BC, there is good reason to believe that Sumerian culture and civilization had penetrated, at least to some extent, as far East as India and as far West as the Mediterranean, as far South as Ancient Ethiopia and as far North as the Caspian”.

Migration, a phenomenon as ancient, wide and intense as the human kind, is not adequately studied (for a discussion see: van Dommelen 2014).

[10] Castleden (2002, p. 100) observed that some signs of Cretan Hieroglyphics resemble symbols from a Mesopotamian script pre-dating cuneiform, suggesting that this writing system was imported from East.

[11] According to Fischer (2004, p.34), the rebus principle (see [5]) had been originally invented by the Sumerians. Their influence expanded to Indus Valley, Iran, Nile and probably Balkans (as he suspects and we argue for as well).

[12] Woudhuizen (2005) interpreted Linear-A as a linearization of the Akkadian cuneiform signs. This is supportive for the herein argument, since every sign in written Akkadian has a Sumerian origin. However, the natural process for a script is to evolve from pictorial signs (like the Sumerian pre-cuneiform) into non-recognizable forms (like the late cuneiform) and not the reverse (e.g. see: Karnava 2015). So, we make the reverse proposal herein: both the early Aegean scripts and Cuneiform were two evolutionary branches of the same trunk (Sumerian pre-cuneiform signs). The former branch followed an “analogic” path via drawn lines, while the latter a “digitalized” one (impressed strokes), thus starting to depict the icons in a more abstract and quick manner.

                                   2.SUPPOSED, EXPECTED LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE WICH SCRAPED THE TABLETS

“If” the tablets would have been old as expected (5.500B.C.) the language could be proto-Euphratean.If age is around 3.000 B.C. the language could be euphratean=sumerian. Not realistic to think that an sumerian speditioners group overun thousends of km/miles and reached Transylvania. But I looked close to those signs, and the tablets are not so old.The entire scientific comunity was fooled by supposed C14 age determination (5.500 B.C.!!) wich was not and cannot be done enymore.

An Introduction to the Study of the Danube Script Harald Haarmann and Joan Marler https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WHPWd9hJnGyi91BDQ6MA_wZ1KAuoaa60bt97VvwEoW8/edit

“As long as the absolute age of the tablets was undetermined and archaeologists dated the artifacts to the third millennium BCE, most of those scholars who engaged in the discussion were convinced that the signs inscribed on the Tărtăria tablets reflected a far-distant cultural influence from Sumerian civilization.”

Especially the round tablet shows evidence and signs of a syllabary, even alphabetic writing in upper half. But i am exposing you the folowing:

Oldest writing in Europe are Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A. (2.200-1500 B.C.) Back to 1800 B.C. we could expect an Indo-European language as Mycenaean/Linearb=proto-greek language.

Olders ones than Linear B, wich are Cretan hieroglyphic and Linea A are UNKNOWN.There are many papers wich got partial simylarities with semitic family and Luwian, but not found an definite language.Now I am asking you:

IF CRETAN HIEROGLYPHIC AND LINEAR A ARE USING  UNKNOWN LANGUAGES ( SOME-HOW WICH SHOWS TO BE RELATED TO SEMITIC, LUWIAN AND GOD KNOWS WHAT OTHER LANGUAGE ), OLDER THAN THIS FORM OF PROTO-GREEK=LINEAR B, THEN                                                    WHAT LANGUAGE COULD SOMEBODY EXPECT FROM TARTARIA TABLETS (?3200-1800B.C.?)  ? 

 —————————- from papers related to the suject —————————————————   

From Anistoriton Journal, vol. 15 (2016-2017) Essays 1  Cretan Hieroglyphics The Ornamental and Ritual Version of the Cretan Protolinear Script   https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#inbox/164454be0ed39a2d?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1

“There are many proposals about the underlying language or languages of Linear-A, because of the difficulty to recognize the conveyed languages, since they are very poorly known and neither the script is known, although reasonable speculations are possible from the comparison to Linear-B and the Cypriot Syllabary (Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015a). These proposed languages are:

▪ the Semitic/Akkadian (Woudhuizen 2005; Gordon 1981),

▪ the Proto-Aeolic (Tsikritsis 2006; Anistoriton 2001),

▪ the Pelasgian/Proto-Ionic (as an Indo-European one closely related but not identical to Proto-Greek, see: Owens 2007, 2000; Faucounau 2001),

▪ a Proto-Indo-European (Hicks 2005),

▪ the Luwian (Woudhuizen 2005, 2002; Brown 1992-1993),

▪ a non-Greek language closely related to Hittite (Davis 1964, p. 106),

▪ the Lycian (Kazansky 2012) and

▪ several different languages, making use of an originally Sumerian script (Papakitsos & Kenanidis 2015; Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015a; Kenanidis 2013, 1992). Some more proposals can be also found, concerning other languages like the Etruscan (Perono Cacciafoco 2014).”

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/#3                                                                   John Younger (jyounger@ku.edu)                                                                                           Linear A Texts & Inscriptions
in phonetic transcription & Commentary

<< Linear A has not yet been demonstrably linked to any known language family.

“The languages which have been used for comparison are of two families: Indo-European, especially an Anatolian language such as Luwian (Palmer, Meriggi [and Ed Brown of UNC-CH]); Semitic (Gordon, Best, and others)… First no inflexional forms such as characterize Indo-European or Semitic languages can be clearly demonstrated, hence the identifications depend largely on vocabulary, which is notoriously easily borrowed. Secondly, the Semitic comparisons are mainly with triconsonantal roots — yet if the vowels are ignored we are leaving out half the information presented by the script, and thus much decreasing the chances of success. Thirdly, if the languge of Linear A does not belong to a well-known family, then the chances of identifiying it are virtually nil. This is not to say that Linear A remains undecipherable; as more documents are found and published, we shall understand more of it. But I doubt very much if speculation at this stage can help; I feel strongly that is likely to belong to an unfamiliar type.” (Chadwick 1975: 147)

If Crete was deliberately colonized in developed Neolithic, probably from SW Anatolia (Broodbank & Strasser 1991), it would seem logical to surmise that the Minoan language could be related to one of the Indo-Hittite dialects, most probably Luvian. >>                       —————————————————————————————————————————-

eugenrau: THE SAME WAS THE CASE AS VINCA PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED COMING FROM (?SW?) ANATOLIA !                                                                                                                                 ……………………or even from far  Cilicia-Levant(Syria) I would say (A priori, no language attested in the third or second millennium from the eastern Mediterranean or its surrounding areas can be excluded […] the languages spoken by people from the coasts of Asia Minor or Syro- Palestine must be favoured.

See:

Cretan Hieroglyphs http://www.ancientscripts.com/cretan_hieroglyphs.html             Bronze Age Crete was home to the powerful seafaring civilization known to the modern world as the Minoans. As the first literate culture of Europe, the Minoans employed not one but two related writing systems. The more commonly known system is Linear A due to the rectilinear shape of its symbols. The second system, more ancient but less well-known and even less understood, is called Cretan Hieroglyphs.Most early writing systems have their origins in iconographic systems and likewise.                                   Cretan Hieroglyphs most likely evolved out of non-linguistic symbols on sealstones from the late 3rd and early 2nd millenium BCE. Cretan Hieroglyphs was the first writing of the Minoans and predecessor to Linear A, which in turn gave rise to Linear B and Cypriot. Cretan Hieroglyphs remains undeciphered as no interpretation is widely accepted. One impediment to decipherment is that the seal texts are short and the sign sequences relatively formulaic, which means little the same problem preventing the decipherment of Indus Script. It is possible to compare its signs to Linear A and Linear B signs and produce a syllabic grid, but since the underlying language is unknown, few words aside from accounting terms and place names can be distinguished. Cretan Hieroglyphs’ language was certainly not Greek, the language of Linear B.

SEMITIC LINEAR A INSCRIPTIONS https://cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2016/09/semitic-crete.html

This is a supplement to CRETO-SEMITICA

The Kaptarian logo-syllabary of Crete (Linear A)

Kaptar was a name applied to Crete in the Bronze Age; it was Kaphtor in the Bible (Caphtorim were from Caphtor, Deuteronomy 2:23; Philistines came from Caphtor, Amos 9:7; ditto, Jeremiah 47:4), Kptr in Ugaritic texts, and Keftiu in Egypt.[1]

SEMITIC INSCRIPTIONS FROM CRETE

by CH Gordon – ‎1984

SEMITIC INSCRIPTIONS FROM CRETE by. CYRUS H. GORDON. New York University

That Nero is credited with
knowing that the non-Greek native language of Crete was what we
would now call Northwest Semitic, ties in with the decipherment of
Eteocretan as Northwest Semitic.
The evidence for the linguistic character of Eteocretan must come
from the Eteocretan inscriptions themselves. Fortunately, the script is
for the most part the standard Greek alphabet, ranging in shape from
archaic letters that are close to their Phoenician forms, to the familiar
uncials of Hellenistic times which are just about the same as those in
modern Greek typography.

Eteocretan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocretan_language

(/ˌtiˈkrtənˌɛt-/ from GreekἘτεόκρητες Eteókrētes, lit. “true Cretans”, itself composed from ἐτεός eteós “true” and Κρής Krḗs “Cretan”)[2] is the non-Greek language of a few alphabetic inscriptions of ancient Crete.                                                                        In eastern Crete about half a dozen inscriptions have been found which, though written in Greek alphabets, are clearly not Greek. These inscriptions date from the late 7th or early 6th century down to the 3rd century BC. The language, which is not understood, is probably a survival of a language spoken on Crete before the arrival of Greeks and is probably derived from the Minoan languagepreserved in the Linear A inscriptions of a millennium earlier.

Were the ancient Minoans of Crete Semitic? Did they speak a Semitic language?  https://www.quora.com/Were-the-ancient-Minoans-of-Crete-Semitic-Did-they-speak-a-Semitic-language

There is one more approach to the Minoan language. Several classical texts refer to a non-Greek people living in Crete in classical times: the so-called Eteocretans (i.e. “True Cretans”) who might be identified with the pre-Greek Minoans. These Eteocretans allegedly dwelt in Praisos on Crete, and from this town come a handful of inscriptions (from memory from the 4th century B.C. — I have not checked this!) written with Greek letters, but self-evidently not in the Greek language. The inscriptions are utterly unintelligible. They could conceivably be written in a language descended from the Minoan language, but this is only a guess. Nothing in these inscriptions can be linked up with something in the Linear A documents, so, for now, this too appears to be a scholarly dead end.

Ultimately the Minoans remain an enigma. If we could ever read the Linear A documents, we would know a lot more about them, including obviously what language they spoke. For the foreseeable future, however, the Linear A texts, along with the Eteocretan ones, are unintelligible with the exception of the group of two signs to indicate “total”.

 

CONGRATULATIONS, RUMEN KOLEV !

June 4, 2018

There is a paper of a bulgarian scientist RUMEN KOLEV :

ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев http://www.su-varna.org/izdanij/Magazin%201%20conf/Pages%20from%2046%20to%2053.pdf

 This is the only paper I know, wich by far go strait as to proove that we have writing in Tartaria tablets, in fact icon/ideographic writing= proto writing. Also he comes close to my conclusions on my sumerian aproach.  But pity, he choosed :

  • not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering, >> =sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close.                                      All thes green underlined are common with mines !
  • Folowing picture at the origin from Mr.Marco Merlini studies. http://static.actualdecluj.ro/uploads/2015/02/tartariasuprapuse.jpg

 Either don’t know why 

  • he not took the tablets separately and choosed to get mix them and sign meanings reading them only as beeing superposed.   
  • Finaly I not grasp his understanding: 
  • Mr. Merlini correctly observed that the tablets are made as to being carried/worn together around neck.In this situation the squared-one is covering uper side of that round-one. And not without reason.The writer intended that the covered message not to be seen by passer-by, probably is mystic-related and has a degree of power upon subjects on wich rituals were performed.Or used in rituals wich interfered with the people’s course of life or destiny.
  • So I do not understand at all why Mr. Kolev choosed to read in the first time (and only !) the visible mesage, not realising that the covered mesage could have a paramount importance !?

The sacred cryptograms of Tartaria.Marco Merlini’s article coments

May 31, 2018

The Sacred Cryptograms from Tărtăria: Unique or Widespread Signs …

http://www.academia.edu/…/The_Sacred_Cryptograms_from_Tărtăria_Unique_or_Widespr&#8230;


 

Note

There is a paper of a bulgarian scientist RUMEN KOLEV :

ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев http://www.su-varna.org/izdanij/Magazin%201%20conf/Pages%20from%2046%20to%2053.pdf

 wich go close to my conclusions of my sumerian aproach, but he choosed not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering&gt;&gt;=sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close.                                      All this green underlined are common with mines !

 Either don’t know why he not took the tablets separately and choosed to get meanings reading them only as beeing superposed.     

 
I am admiring the monumental efforts and researches of this schollar in the large field of Vinca-Turdas 
 

Civilisation and especially those focussed on the supposed “Vinca writing”. My congratulations ! No Romanian 

spend more time and efforts on this field.Nor had more results.One to be noticed is Alex Imreh.

An italian is using and depassing  german-style and methods. Either in perseverence, acuracy, sharp-

reasoning or whatever you want.

The M.Merlini paper is very inciting. I wish would coment every line of it.

but must follow every line and not have sufficient time to follow and make comments on them.

So my first short comments are:

– You got in a kind of maze when compare Vinca Civilisation library of signs with Vinca (Tartaria tablets)

supposed writing signs.

 Talking of magic rituals is intersting but not of effective great help when  discuss is getting to 

writing signs and writing.Information could be transmited in many ways in proto-writing but only

 when are transmited words is proper-writing.And those ways cuould be mixed in intermediate 

phases of writing developement.


-Do not realise that Vinca civilisation realised the aproaching steps to writing but generally remained 

at those much earlier phases of writing.

Earlier phases than those of the tablets (5-6.000 BC for Vinca signs oposed/compared to say 3000-1500 BC

for Tartaria tablets writing).

– Hope you realised but not explained to people enough what is proto writing.The Vinca civilisation used 

mostly elementary signs (wich part of them could be or not abstractised signs for some notions) and ones 

wich could go to ornaments .You or someone else cannot  proove definitely that even come to the 

stage of proto-writing, (as to use icons and ideograms to express ideas ). If you can proove that, I am 

waiting one concrete case explained.Could be no your or someone-else guess or personal idea but that exemple 

must be agreed and accepted by anyone to wich are exposed the case. So strong and in a unique definite 

one way manner.So sound must be the interpretation.

-DEFINITION https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing writing represents language and emotions with signs 
and symbols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram cryptogram is a type of puzzle that consists of a short piece of encrypted text.[1] Generally the cipher used to encrypt the text is simple enough that the cryptogram can be solved by hand. there is no cypher here.



Not our case.IF THE READEAR DOES NOT KNOW THE RULE OF CRIPTING (CIPHER) NO EVER or nobody at medium level CAN READ.What the crap if the text suppose would be really cyphered !?

We have no proper cryptograms on Tartaria tablets so people could be in dissaray/derouted about your given paper title.

Not to beeing enough if we do not know the language of that supposed writing, nor the writing system what is missing now is the fact that the writing to be encrypted. “When nobody knows to write who knows to read?” as asked Mr. Napoleon Savescu.

You are not aware of the results when kept mixed and not fully explained the ideas of crypting a text with covering a text.The writer of tablets did not use an system to translate or hide the meaning.Only phisically covered the supposed writing/text.You realise the difference between cripting and covering.He/her (supposed writer) only phisically covered the thext wich is not CRYPTOGRAM(s) at all.
-Even if the information is available to everybody, I wonder why on Earth you not get close to :
– sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library (nor proto-elamite/Harappa proto-writing) 
– Anatolian writings ones, nor CARIAN, (even as we know of  many migration waves  between Anatolia and Aegean/Balcans).Not get close and compare Linear A signs or not talking of cretan hieroglyphic,archaic greek, anatolian,iberian venetic etruscan writings.
 
-not studied enough aegean  library of icons signs.You are telling of “clepsidra sign” ( I am sure you recognised our ancestors paramount sign ORION or LABRYS !?)
– You know old chinese/japanese  “ny” sign (sun) or old hebrew phoenician sign keth/heth/cheth or linear A/B pa3  or archaic greek Heta/Eta.
-Our common ancestors related to Vinca civilisation wich not dropped from  the sky. 
– You cannot relate Tartaria tablets signs to Vinca signs cause those are much earlier but why not compare anatolian (e.g. carian) old hebrew, iberian, venetic or other sistems of writing ? One could realise that have there all  needed signs? https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam6.jpg
 
– One think that a computer with whatever software can give better results than human mind?  Dat-Das comparison had very poor results (see percentages as 18%) ! You some-how passed-over old basic European. BALCANIC=AEGEAN areas ancient paramount-level signs. See Orion=LABRYS= Great Mother sign, supposed y-sign (see linear A/B cretan signs),W =Cassiopeia.  There is not much present the East, Aegean areas.You noticed  the Cycladic-type artefacts beside Tartaria tablets and not comented.

SMART DISCOVERY, (supposed mesage intentional covered);SOLE AUTHOR: MARCO MERLINI



If it is about magic and religion it is realy possible and we have many explanations at different levels for the fact that message to be hidden from view of the ordinary  passing-by people.

only individuals supposed to “charming” ritual had the right to hear the message.As to read….., you only could suppose in those times how many, in fact only few of them could read or understand the message/signs.

we could think of the tablets as a holy component  comparing with an portable altar.

If think as a component of a type of religion, as a church have an inner sanctum (begining with sumerians) so covered portion is the inner sanctum of the tablets.

– think of tablets and other objects used in ritual as greek used MAGIKA HIERA=”SACRED MAGIC”

Isis Magic : Articles : Isis and Magika Hiera – Hermetic Fellowship

Yes, this Great Egyptian Goddess is many other things, too—wisdom, power, … all these are magic, and specifically magika hiera, Greek for sacred magic.


On the ‘hiera’ of the Eleusinian Mysteries | Baring the Aegis


baringtheaegis.blogspot.com/2015/09/on-hiera-of-eleusinian-mysteries.html


Sep 30, 2015 – Many ancient Hellenic religious traditions–and especialy Mystery Traditions–have hiera‘ (ἱερὰ), sacred objects. These objects are usually …


WHAT COULD BE SACRED MESSAGE ON TABLET ??


exemple :


signs HP                                            Se


                                                       R b o c


HaR/HeR(os)                           SeRBOS=SERVOS


 


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Din What was the Proto-Indo -European religion like … This word comes from the root *xar-, meaning “to fit … *h2er “to assemble skilfully”, present in Greek harma …

 

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Chairs in Indo-European linguistics without particular ties to Sanskrit were created …. of chairs for Indo-European linguistics at universities. …… Cf. Proto-Gerrnanic ‘xar-ja- = Got.
 
http://biblehub.com/greek/5479.htm Cognate: 5479 xará (another feminine noun from the root xar-, “extend favor, lean towards, be favorably disposed”) – properly, the awareness (of God’s) gracefavorjoy (“grace recognized”).
And relation between servos and heros;
 

Etymology

From Serbo-Croatian Srbi, from Proto-Slavic *sьrbъ (ally, Serb, Sorb), from Proto-Indo-European *ser- (to protect, watch over); akin to Latin servo (I guard, I protect)Old English searu (weapons, armor)Lithuanian sárgas (watchman)Greek ἥρως (hrōshero),
 

BUT MORE, AND EQUAL INTERESTING

See

 

1.the stroke inside 1-st “D”  ?”i”?

2.vertical line from 2-nd “D” upwards    ?”b“?

 

signs
HP/HD             Di b o c
reading
Hede,ede (“this here”)                                            Dibos /deibos/deivos (=GOD!)

Heros/Hera (Lord,Lady)

dios – Wiktionary

Asturian Wikipedia has an article on: dios … Ladino dio), from Latin deus, from Old Latin deivos, from Proto-Italic *deiwos, from Proto-Indo-European *deywós.

Deus – Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Deus
Deus is Latin for “god” or “deity”. Latin deus and dīvus “divine”, are descended from Proto- Indo-European *deiwos, “celestial” or “shining



The truth about Macedonia: – Network54
www.network54.com › Forum › message
of The Indo-European words: Reeka, Ree, Rea and River …. We also know that Zeus is the Supreme God and’ rules’ the other gods on the tallest … as “qibos [5] = Dibos = divos” This has very close affinity to the Greek word qeios=qeos which .

 

 ALSO GOD=ZEUS,ZEU



“IF” Zoo=Zou=DDoo=DDou because of shift Z>>”DD”



Late Laconian dialect inscriptions and spoken Laconian in the Imperial Period …
www.academia.edu › Late_Laconian_dia…
… of Copenhagen – torerovskris@gmail.com 2.5.5 /d/ or /g/ + /i̯ / yields /dd/ in Laconian vs. Attic /zd/ or /dz/ – spelling vacillates between < ΔΔ> and <Ζ> since the Archaic period.



So, there are twoo posibilitiees to have written there the name of GOD !

 

 



 

 

Aion/Ion; Kogaion/Kugaion ;(dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

May 10, 2018

Aion/Ion; Kogaion/Kugaion, (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)


Asa cum veti vedea, numele stramosului mitic ION,al zeului timpului AION si acela al muntelui sacru KOGAION sant mult timp in spate legate istoric..KOGAION, AION si ION.Origini si legaturi lingvistice.Originea lor este mult departe inapoi in timp.
De exemplu sumerienii obisnuiau sa asocieze un termen zeilor si regilor.
Pentru zei, foloseau inainte de cuvant un semn ca o stea * ce insemna DINGIR:”zeu,ceresc”.Acelasi semn il aplicau si in cazul unor regi.Lingvistii de azi, cand traduc un text,inlocuiesc acest semn cu litera D pusa tot la fel inaintea cuvantului.
.Pentru regi acest semn avea rolul de a sublinia, scoate in evidenta  caracterul sacru asemanator-zeiesc .Denumirea sumeriana pentru rege era LUGAL:”LU-GAL”=”om-mare”.Ei asociau acestui Lugal=rege un termen care arata caracterul inalt,sacru al regelui.

Lu-gal  +Numele regelui + Kuga
om-mare+   Nume     + inalt,pur,sacru sau                                                                                   semnul*zeu,zeiesc“(lingvistii il inlocuiesc cu “D“)+nume+kuga

Ur-du-kuga – Wikipedia

Ur-dukuga, written durdu6-kù-ga, ca. 1767 BC – 1764 BC (short chronology) or ca. 1830–1828 BC (middle chronology), was the 13th king of the 1st dynasty of Isin and reigned for 4 years according to the Sumerian King List,


Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988 –
Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig

kug-a:”stralucitor”,regesc,sfant.
Pentru presupusul nume KOGAION care pare a fi un nume cumva distorsionat, acesta poate fi interpretat rapid ca si:

1.KUGA-ION :”Bunicul,STRAMOSUL-Ion”, pentru ca Lycianul Kuga inseamna bunic.
Dumneavostra veti intreba, si ce avem noi in comun cu Lyceenii?
*Se spune ca originea comuna a Latinilor deci a Romanilor si Romanilor este respectiv in Lidia pentru romani si Lycia pentru daci,romani.
Romanii gandeau si erau invatati la scoala ca ei provin din Lidia, stramosul Enea care a plecat dupa razboiul din Troia in Peninsula Italica si deasemenea ca stramosul lor era LUDUS
Romanii stiu ca dacii aveau cultul si venerau lupul.Lycos in greaca inseamna ca si lat.”luce” rom:”a luci” stralucitor.Denumirea lupului venea de la faptul ca baga groaza in oameni cu ochii sai care straluceau noaptea.

greaca:ION=”umblator” A-ION:”fix”
2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “templul,asezamantul,salasul sacru al lui Ion” pentru ca asemanator,
MUSAION, sau HERAION sant MUSA+AION, HERA+AION :”locul fix,templul lui MUSA(arte),sau asezamantul zeitei  HERA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon a fost muntele sacru al Daco-Getilor, locul unde Zalmoxis a stat intr-o pestera subterana pentru trei ani. Dupa disparitia in Kogaionon, el a fost considerat mort de catre geti dar dupa trei ani el a revenit la viata si s-a aratat poporului, care a devenit convins de rugile sale sfinte cand a iesit din Kogaionon. Strabo pretindea ca un rau cu acelasi nume curgea in vecinatate.
O traducere moderna Kogaionon ar fi “Muntele Sacru” care poate fi conexata cu un posibil cuvant Dacic kaga care inseamna sacru, cuvant atestat in doua inscriptii timpurii din Tomis.

ion,gr.”mergator,calator”, aion:”fix” aionon:”timp infinite,etern”
Astfel Kogaionon are doua intelesuri in acelasi timp.
koga-aionon :sacru-etern si templul sacrului-Ion sau mai degraba Zeul eternitatii, Aion.

Legaturi intre Aion si sumerianul Oannes:

Religion Before Adam – Lost History

lost-history.com/adam.php

A Babylonian priest named Berossus reinvigorated interest in the figure during the 200’s B.C., using the name of Oannes, a corruption of U-an, another name of …… He was also known as Aeon, a word used by Gnostics to describe the angel-like emanations of God, or in the oneness of God, such as the name Aion teleos, …

De fapt KOGAIONON nu este distorsionat pentru ca Koga este o dezvoltare lingvistica comuna in limbile Indo-Europene (dar nu numai):
GOGA &gt;&gt; KOGA.
Goga are originile in preajma regelui GUGU, cunoscut si sub numele de Gyges.
GUG/GOG este o radacina lingvistica Indo-Europeana care semnifica:”rotund,mare,inalt,umflat”
Deasemenea are intelesul de conducator (cu radacina I.Europeana “Ag”) : vezi DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”conducatorul poporului”
Relativ la Ion, a fost un stramos al popoarelor respectiv ca si ramurilor greaca si latina precum Pelegus (“pelasgian”) dar mult mai vechi.
Dar Ion are legaturi si cu sumerianul Oannes ,iar acesta prin particula AN cu “cer/zeu” sau cu zeul pamantului Enki (domn-pamant)
KUGA-ION este ca si  KUGA-AN care este gresit, nu pentru ca KugaAn este echivalentului zeului Azag, un zeu subteran asociat cu taramul mortii si moartea.In schimb  KUGA-an-na.
KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacru,pur-zeu,cer”
An(En) + An=Domn,zeu+Cer———————————————————————————————————
Nu avem numai lantul muntos GODEANU/GOGEANU                                                              (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?) GOG-ANu:”mare-ceresc”
Encyclopedia fiarelor si monstrilorin mituri,legende si folclor
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane
Variatii: TAURUL CERESC, Gugalana :Un taur monstruos din Sumerul antic, Gudanna (“un atacator”) a fost descris ca fiind gigantic si avand respiratia atat de otravitoare ca putea sa omoare deodata 200 de luptatori …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna
In religia Sumeriana, Gugalanna este primul sot al zeitatii Ereshkigal, regina lumii de jos.
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Azi avem printr-e popoarele din Asia kogea ; turk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”ceva (de dimensiuni?) anormal,excesiv de mari, foarte mare”
Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja
Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) este un titlu onorific folosit pe cuprinsul Orientului Mijlociu,Asia de Sud,Asia de Sud-Est si Asia Centrala in mod particular inspre invatatorii Sufi teach. Cuvantul vine din cuvantul iranian khwāja (Pharsi: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) si se traduce ca maestru,invatator,domn si in sens arhaic “nobil,gentleman”. Pronuntiile hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] sant de asemenea folosite. Numele este deasemenea folosit in Egipt si Sudan pentru a indica o persoana de o nationalitate straina sau cu origine straina.  Khawaja este deasemenea un supra-nume printre etnicii  Kashmir.
I found another root:https://books.google.ro › books
Allan R. Bomhard, John C. Kerns · 1994 · Language Arts &amp; Disciplines
Pokorny 1959:517-518 *kago-, *kogo-, -a- ‘ goat’; Walde 1927-1932.1:336-337 *qago-, * qogo-, -a-; Mann 1984-1987:459 *kag- ‘goat, kid, goatskin’; Gamkrelidze-Ivanov …


Uncategorized « Cradle of Civilization
https://aratta.wordpress.com › page
May 18, 2015 · … the first element is probably cognate with hedge, which derives from PIE *kagh– ..…. 8000-9000 BCE) from the Zagros mountains and northern Mesopotamia , rather (hedge:imprejmuire,gard)
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*Nota
As vrea sa clarific niste lucruri, despre care nu stiu cum stau lucrurile de fapt.Nici cercetatorii de marca nu au clarificat aceste lucruri si au opinii diferite (si in legatura cu care eu am niste pareri si idei proprii):
1. Ce fel de oameni,markerul lor genetic si de unde au venit popoarele culturii VECHII EUROPE/Danubiene/Vinca-Turdas.
2.Cand, in cate valuri si pe ce ruta au venit popoarele Indo-Europene.
3.Daca Lycienii si Lidienii erau populatii native Anatoliei rude ale hititilor sau rude mai indepartate a sumerienilor.
4.Daca parte din ei au migrat inspre Europa sau a fost invers: o migratie timpurie a populatiei Danubiene inspre Anatolia (asemanator cum se presupune ca au fost Brugii&gt;&gt;Frigienii )
5.Cate valuri ale populatiei care au adus agricultura in Europa din Sumer sau Anatolia precum si cand.
6.Daca un numar relativ mic sau grupuri mici, familii de sumerieni sau Anatolieni au venit in Serbia si Dacia folosindu-se de prelucrarea metalelor ca indeletnicire primara si mai putin de abilitatile de agricultori.
7. Daca exista o legatura, a Dacilor, si in ce grad  cu popoarele Lycian,si al Gutilor (acestia din urma un popor din muntii Zagros, (care printre altele au cucerit la un moment dat Sumerul).
8.Care a fost exact relatia si legatura intre Danubieni si Egeeni.

Kogaion/Kugaion, Aion, Ion (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

April 27, 2018

Kogaion/Kugaion, Aion, Ion (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

Aion or Aeon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion_(deity)
God of Time, Eternity and Zodiac
Member of the Primordial Gods

Aion, god of eternity, in a celestial sphere decorated with zodiacal signs, between a green and a dismantled tree (summer and winter). Before him is the mother-earth Tellus (Roman Gaia) with four children, the four seasons personified
Roman equivalent Aeternitas

Asa cum veti vedea, numele stramosului mitic ION,al zeului timpului AION si acela al muntelui sacru KOGAION sant mult timp in spate legate istoric.                              KOGAION, AION si ION.Origini si legaturi lingvistice.Originea lor este mult departe inapoi in timp.
De exemplu sumerienii obisnuiau sa asocieze un termen zeilor si regilor.
Pentru zei, foloseau inainte de cuvant un semn ca o stea * ce insemna DINGIR:”zeu,ceresc”.Acelasi semn il aplicau si in cazul unor regi.Lingvistii de azi, cand traduc un text,inlocuiesc acest semn cu litera D pusa tot la fel inaintea cuvantului.
.Pentru regi acest semn avea rolul de a sublinia, scoate in evidenta  caracterul sacru asemanator-zeiesc .Denumirea sumeriana pentru rege era LUGAL:”LU-GAL”=”om-mare”.Ei asociau acestui Lugal=rege un termen care arata caracterul inalt,sacru al regelui.

Lu-gal  +Numele regelui + Kuga
om-mare+   Nume     + inalt,pur,sacru sau                                                                                     */D(zeiesc)-nume-kuga                                                                                                        Exemplu:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-du-kuga                                                              Ur-dukuga, written dur-du6kù-ga, ca. 1767 BC – 1764 BC (short chronology) or ca. 1830–1828 BC (middle chronology), was the 13th king of the 1st dynasty of Isin and reigned for 4 years according to the Sumerian King List

Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988 –
Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig

kug-a:”stralucitor”,regesc,sfant.

Pentru presupusul nume KOGAION care pare a fi un nume cumva distorsionat, acesta poate fi interpretat rapid ca si:

1.KUGA-ION :”Bunicul,STRAMOSUL-Ion”, pentru ca Lycianul Kuga inseamna bunic.
Dumneavostra veti intreba, si ce avem noi in comun cu Lyceenii?
*Se spune ca originea comuna a Latinilor deci a Romanilor si Romanilor este respectiv in Lidia pentru romani si Lycia pentru daci,romani.
Romanii gandeau si erau invatati la scoala ca ei provin din Lidia, stramosul Enea care a plecat dupa razboiul din Troia in Peninsula Italica si deasemenea ca stramosul lor era LUDUS
Romanii stiu ca dacii aveau cultul si venerau lupul.Lycos in greaca inseamna ca si lat.”luce” rom:”a luci” stralucitor.Denumirea lupului venea de la faptul ca baga groaza in oameni cu ochii sai care straluceau noaptea.

greaca:ION=”umblator” A-ION:”fix”
2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “templul,asezamantul,salasul sacru al lui Ion” pentru ca asemanator,
MUSAION, sau HERAION sant MUSA+AION, HERA+AION :”locul fix,templul lui MUSA(arte),sau asezamantul zeitei  HERA.

Legaturi intre Aion si sumerianul Oannes:                                                                                 The Book of God the Apocalypse of Adam-Oannes – Scribd https://www.scribd.com/document/…/The-Book-of-God-the-Apocalypse-of-Adam-Oann&#8230;

Oannes. is. also the. same. as. Sanconiathon’s Protogonos, or the First-born, as he was the first. heaven-sent Messenger and his wife : is. said to. have. been Aion, which. is. said to. mean the. first. v/ho found out. ihe food which. is. gathered from trees. — in other words she. The anvehicle of all the. was. skilled in horticulture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon a fost muntele sacru al Daco-Getilor, locul unde Zalmoxis a stat intr-o pestera subterana pentru trei ani. Dupa disparitia in Kogaionon, el a fost considerat mort de catre geti dar dupa trei ani el a revenit la viata si s-a aratat poporului, care a devenit convins de rugile sale sfinte cand a iesit din Kogaionon. Strabo pretindea ca un rau cu acelasi nume curgea in vecinatate.
O traducere moderna Kogaionon ar fi “Muntele Sacru” care poate fi conexata cu un posibil cuvant Dacic kaga care inseamna sacru, cuvant atestat in doua inscriptii timpurii din Tomis.

ion,gr.”mergator,calator”, aion:”fix” aionon:”timp infinite,etern”
Astfel Kogaionon are doua intelesuri in acelasi timp.
koga-aionon :sacru-etern si templul sacrului-Ion sau mai degraba Zeul eternitatii, Aion.

de fapt KOGAIONON nu este distorsionat pentru ca Koga este o dezvoltare lingvistica comuna in limbile Indo-Europene (dar nu numai):
GOGA &gt;&gt; KOGA.
Goga are originile in preajma regelui GUGU, cunoscut si sub numele de Gyges.
GUG/GOG este o radacina lingvistica Indo-Europeana care semnifica:”rotund,mare,inalt,umflat”
Deasemenea are intelesul de conducator (cu radacina I.Europeana “Ag”) : vezi DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”conducatorul poporului”
Relativ la Ion, a fost un stramos al popoarelor respectiv ca si ramurilor greaca si latina precum Pelegus (“pelasgian”) dar mult mai vechi.
Dar Ion are legaturi si cu sumerianul Oannes ,iar acesta prin particula AN cu “cer/zeu” sau cu zeul pamantului Enki (domn-pamant)
KUGA-ION este ca si  KUGA-AN care este gresit, nu pentru ca KugaAn este echivalentului zeului Azag, un zeu subteran asociat cu taramul mortii si moartea.In schimb  KUGA-an-na.
KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacru,pur-zeu,cer”
An(En) + An=Domn,zeu+Cer———————————————————————————————————
Nu avem numai lantul muntos GODEANU/GOGEANU                                                              (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?) GOG-ANu:”mare-ceresc”
Encyclopedia fiarelor si monstrilorin mituri,legende si folclor
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane
Variatii: TAURUL CERESC, Gugalana :Un taur monstruos din Sumerul antic, Gudanna (“un atacator”) a fost descris ca fiind gigantic si avand respiratia atat de otravitoare ca putea sa omoare deodata 200 de luptatori …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna
In religia Sumeriana, Gugalanna este primul sot al zeitatii Ereshkigal, regina lumii de jos.
——————————————————————————————————- Instead
Azi avem printr-e popoarele din Asia kogea ; turk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”ceva (de dimensiuni?) anormal,excesiv de mari, foarte mare”
Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja
Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) este un titlu onorific folosit pe cuprinsul Orientului Mijlociu,Asia de Sud,Asia de Sud-Est si Asia Centrala in mod particular inspre invatatorii Sufi teach. Cuvantul vine din cuvantul iranian khwāja (Pharsi: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) si se traduce ca maestru,invatator,domn si in sens arhaic “nobil,gentleman”. Pronuntiile hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] sant de asemenea folosite. Numele este deasemenea folosit in Egipt si Sudan pentru a indica o persoana de o nationalitate straina sau cu origine straina.  Khawaja este deasemenea un supra-nume printre etnicii  Kashmir.
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*Nota
As vrea sa clarific niste lucruri, despre care nu stiu cum stau lucrurile de fapt.Nici cercetatorii de marca nu au clarificat aceste lucruri si au opinii diferite (si in legatura cu care eu am niste pareri si idei proprii):
1. Ce fel de oameni,markerul lor genetic si de unde au venit popoarele culturii VECHII EUROPE/Danubiene/Vinca-Turdas.
2.Cand, in cate valuri si pe ce ruta au venit popoarele Indo-Europene.
3.Daca Lycienii si Lidienii erau populatii native Anatoliei rude ale hititilor sau rude mai indepartate a sumerienilor.
4.Daca parte din ei au migrat inspre Europa sau a fost invers: o migratie timpurie a populatiei Danubiene inspre Anatolia (asemanator cum se presupune ca au fost Brugii&gt;&gt;Frigienii )
5.Cate valuri ale populatiei care au adus agricultura in Europa din Sumer sau Anatolia precum si cand.
6.Daca un numar relativ mic sau grupuri mici, familii de sumerieni sau Anatolieni au venit in Serbia si Dacia folosindu-se de prelucrarea metalelor ca indeletnicire primara si mai putin de abilitatile de agricultori.
7. Daca exista o legatura, a Dacilor, si in ce grad  cu popoarele Lycian,si al Guttilor (acestia din urma un popor din muntii Zagros, (care printre altele au cucerit la un moment dat Sumerul).
8.Care a fost exact relatia si legatura intre Danubieni si Egeeni.

ORION,Danubian Mother-Goddess sign, Labrys and Egyptian faith, possible connected?

April 22, 2018

BY FAR, SUN AND MOON WERE FIRST SECOND TO NONE, ASTRAL “THINGS” .                       ALL TIME IN THE FIRST PLACE !                                                                                        Folowing history and logics, hunting preceded agriculture by millenia.                             For the moment, don’t know what represented or what was ment in paleolithic or neolithic.Nor  when Orion was associated with “hunter” or hunting in different areas on Earth.                                                                                                                                             Image, from: earthsky.org/tonight/orion-the-hunter-your-ticket-to-the-milky-way.

For the moment don’t know exacly how the shape was related to Mother-Goddess, axe or a bow.We’ll see.  Interesting the Orion shape is prezent in Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs library: https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

 GA’ARb1       GA’ARb2

and sign ZAG(a,b,c)ZAG_aZAG_bZAG_c

http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Dictionary.pdf

 ZAG(the shine of metals). From http://thegiannagiavelliblog.blogspot.ro/2014/12/

From http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.ro/2011/07/last-of-nine-stroke-indus-signs.html      In proto-cuneiform also, there is nothing quite like the Indus set of signs with the “table” on top. But there is an element something like the “asterisk” portion, ZAG~b, which eventually means “boundary, cusp; place; shrine; front.”  This sign begins with the same “X” with additional strokes.  But there is also a horizontal line at the top and another at the bottom, closing in these ends.  Rather than resembling an asterisk, then, ZAG looks like an hourglass (or a version of the Indus BOWTIE rotated 90 degrees).

Proto-cuneiform sign ZAG~b, “boundary; shrine; front, etc.”

From:Cuina Turcului-a rock shelter in the Iron gates gorges of the Danube

 They say that here are depicted the earth and heaven and the fact that some-how are related.

From CALENDAR HOUSE http://ancientlights.org/CalendarHouse/ch7.html                   “Below, we see how Labrys and the Sacral Knot at times became one sign, which Marinatos (2010: 122) reads as “life” because of its similarity to the Egyptian ankh.

   

                                                               “Labrys in the sky” might not surprise us, but why fused with a Sacral Knot?”

Image, from https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/306385580879448679/  From Cyclades                                                                               me:”Mother Goddess sign” From Danubian area:                                                        http://danaela-foculsacru.blogspot.ro/p/firesc-ca-si-procesul-faceriibarbatului.html

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http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Orion.htm                                               Orion / The First Constellation – http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?298090-Science-The-Oldest-Lunar-Calendar-on-Earth
“Michael A. Rappenglück in Germany has published exceptional research in which he proposes that astronomer-priests in European Upper Paleolithic cultures could ’see’ constellations in the night sky. They recorded those observations in cave paintings, on calendars and in sculptural art. Furthermore says Dr. Rappenglück, the astronomer-shamans of Magdalenian Culture created a cosmology and the first zodiac known to history.
These ideas were first presented in 1966, then in Dr. Rappenglück’s doctoral thesis in 1968. Dr. Rappenglück was not the first scholar of Upper Paleolithic European cultures to propose that astronomer-priests had found important constellations. Proposals of this sort had been published since the early decades of the 20th century. It is time to honor these researchers who are little known to the general public: Marcel Boudouin (France), Henri Breuil (France, early work at Lascaux), Amandus Weiss (Switzerland), Heino Eelsalu (Estonia), and Marie König (Germany).

Orion from Bayer’s “Uranometria” – 1603
Print *- Mouser / United States Naval Observatory / Wikipedia
Orion is the oldest and therefore the first constellation discovered by the human mind. The evidence is a carving on mammoth tusk ivory found with Aurignacian culture artifacts in 1979 in a cave in the Ach Valley, Alb-Danube region of Germany. C-14 dating of adjacent ash deposits brackets the age of this small sliver of mammoth tusk to between 38,000 and 32,000 B.C. Upon it was carved a man-like figure with outstretched arms, a pose that is a match to the stars of Orion, The Hunter.

Dr. Rappenglück has also suggested that the notches on the backside of this Orion figure are a primitive pregnancy calendar for predicting when a woman will give birth.
The tablet is 38 x 14 mm and the notches carved into its edges tell us that this is its final size. The tablet is not a fragment broken off from something larger. The Orion figure has arms raised and legs spread apart. Orion appears to have a sword hanging between his legs, and his left leg is shorter than his right leg. The slim waist of this tiny figurine of Orion would correspond to the bright stars of his belt in the constellation. The sword in this ivory figurine is the sword in the constellation of Orion. More telling perhaps is that the left leg in the constellation of Orion The Hunter is shorter than the right leg. ”          (My note: there were no swords in paleolithic….)

From the same above site,

Orion in the Neolithic Age

“The Ach Valley plate seems to demonstrate that interest in the Orion constellation began at a very early stage in human development, and thus it probably continued to remain important in the ancient mindset through till Neolithic times. This is when our ancestors gave up being hunters and foragers and settled down to become farmers and pastoralists, sometime around ca. 9000 BC. For instance, in Egypt’s Western Desert, at the site of a dry lake known as Nabta Playa, an 7,000-year-old megalithic structure was built to incorporate very specific astronomical alignments featuring the Orion constellation.

During the epoch of its construction, ca. 4950 BC, an observer standing inside Nabta Playa’s main “calendar” circle of standing stones could have watched Orion’s “belt” stars rise in line with distantly placed stone slabs erected specifically for this purpose. Their presence argues strongly that the Neolithic farmers who built this astronomical observatory, next to what was once a savannah-like oasis, were acutely aware that over time stars change their rising and setting positions due to the effects of precession. This is the slow wobble of the earth’s axis across a cycle of approximately 26,000 years. It is a surmise confirmed in the knowledge that when one outlying stone ceased to line up with the rising of a star, another would take its place, indicating an unfaltering interest in the stars of Orion across a very long period indeed.”                                                      ————————————————————-Now, if Orion constellation was the first humans took notice (I am for above reasoning)                          So my above title of the post is supported/could be sustained.                   (when I saw first time, and somebody showed me some constellations not seen any bear nor virgo or other things told me; 2 constalations were outstanding and impressed me: Orion and Casiopeia)

Now regarding the Danubian Earth Bird-Mother Goddess, the steps could be as follows:                                                                                                                                                     -Prehistoric Danubians thought that at the origin of all forms of life there are eggs.        So the human-kind originated from an primordial egg,  made by an ancestor-mother bird-like.                                                                                                                                       Image, from http://rolfgross.dreamhosters.com/Modern-Man-2012/ProtoEurope/ProtoEurope.html “Goddess of the
Birds”

Picture, from http://www.arlea-art.com/suvenir_en.htm “Early Mycenaean idol”

                                                                                                                                              -They admired the liberty of flight of the birds.Admiring them did’nt know why they are making V-shape formations and where they go.As they saw birds high-up in the sky, the abode of this creature was also in the sky.                                                                                  – Probably they connected winged shape of Orion constellation with butterfly in Cyclades and their Bird Earth-Mother Goddess in Danubian area. From https://ro.pinterest.com/ifairywings/minoan/?lp=true  https://www.pinterest.com/ifairywings/minoan/                                                          “Minoan Goddess with buterfly wings”

Also they equated female silhuette with this shape also.                                                                                                             -No wonder if they sought that the very abode of their Goddess is in Orion. It seems that if or not a matriarhal society, female Goddess (before coming of I.Europeans) was before/prevailed on manly hunter (I.European patriarhal-type society), but we don’t know for sure.

Folowing, Vinca-Turdas-Cucuteni Goddess, https://www.pinterest.com/pin/346214290084412750/

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ETEOCRETAN. What? Why !? What have to do with our tablets?

April 21, 2018
  1. Here is not the place nor wasting your time explaining what is ETEOCRETAN                                2. Out of my intention to bother you or get to in a much complex situation. From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html :                 The sibilants                                                                                                                       Greek also did not have the range of sibilant consonants that the Semitic languages had, and the use and naming of these consonants shows confusion on the part of the Greeks. The old Phoenician alphabet has four sibilants:
    1. zai zeta whose sound was /z/. It was used from the start to represent a sound which varied in the Greek dialects thus: [dd] ~ [zd] ~ [zz] (see ‘Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters‘ below).
    2. semk semk whose sound was /s/. It is found in some of the archaic alphabets as an alternative way of writing zeta. It was later used in eastern Ionian alphabets to denote /ks/, but this usage is not attested in any of the archaic alphabets nor known in the alphabets of the western Greeks. The letter occurs in the Praisos #1 inscription and is discussed in the next two sections below.

      Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters                                            zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].                     

      In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found. But there appears to have been a tendency in Crete to devoice this combination as ττ is also found for standard Greek ζ; indeed, we also occassionally find actual /tt/ spelled ζ.

      For the above, see: M. Lejeune, Phonétique historique du Mycénien et du Grec ancien, Paris, 1972, pp112 sqq.; W.S. Allen, Vox Graeca, Cambridge UK, 1968, pp. 53 sqq.; C.D. Buck, The Greek Dialects, Chicago, 1955, p. 71 sq., and pp. 313 sqq. However, the letter zeta does not occur in any of the extant Eteocretan texts, so it may not directly concern us here, unless….

    3. semksemk is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities:
      • As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of zeta and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/.
      • It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant []].                         —————————————————————————————————-     That’s why, out of +++++ DDoo signs we could have: []…                                     1. Syrroo>syrrou :” of Syros,Syrian” as Hera Syrou:”Lady of Syros,or Syrian Lady”.Apropos of “Syrian Lady” this could be begining (sory about large time-ecart) one from A-SA-SA-RA to “Syrian woman” from Bible book wich supposed brought Christianism in Europe.                                   2. even Su(“your”) DDoo>DDou=DZOU. So to have not “kind of tetragrammaton” but TETRAGRAMMATON in 4 letters D D O O.        That’s why when get a string through both tablets (superpose holes ) the squared table cover the upper half text (fact noticed by Mr.Marco Merlini).So  the sacred name is hidden!
      • And we could have as entire half of the round tablet:
      • https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTffDJb0etLO9J16j4gr1-lF_bNB4DZURneRyT6jHPetGJe7v6h
      • Image result for archaic letter eta chethHistory of the letter h. The letter H may have started as a picture sign of a fence, as in very early Semitic writing used about 1500 BCE on the Sinai Peninsula (1). About 1000 BCE, in Byblos and other Phoenician and Canaanite centres, the sign was given a linear form (2), the source of all later forms. The sign was called cheth in the Semitic languages, which may have meant “fence.” The sound expressed by the cheth sign stood for a pharyngeal sound which is not found in the English language. The Greeks renamed the sign eta and used it in two functions—first for the consonant h and then for the long vowel e (3). The Romans took over the form H (4), with the sound value of the English h.
      • HP/HD? (Heta,consonant eta!/Eta)-Rho;     DDOO:                                                EDE DiDou! :”GIVE(us) EAT
      • HEROS,(Hera?) DiDou! :”LORD(Lady?) GIVE US(..daily bread) (the root
      • Note:*hed is common for edo,lat.gr.:”I eat” ede!:”eat!” edible etc. and alb.Ed lat.ede:”kid-goat!” hedus, gr. hedus pleasant,sweet)                           or:
      • HEROS DDOU/DZOU/ZOU/ZEUS :”LORD GOD-ZEUS
      • ……………….and now you see,understand why I took your time.Also hope understand  my obstination to use “our (Balkan)signs” not “their (sumerian) signs” 
      • Also you have kind of gift, as to see, 

        derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ]

      •  How the VERY INDO-EUROPEAN ROOT Di=”light” was transmited through time in the name of GOD                                                                                                                                              ———————————————————————————————-Ariel D.T. Stamped Amphora Handles from Tel Mikhal (Tel Michal …

        http://www.academia.edu/…/Ariel_D.T._Stamped_Amphora_Handles_from_Tel_Mikhal_T&#8230;

         I know of no attempt at determining an A significant number of stamps with an etarho internal chronology for this prolific fabricant, ligature have been published. … of similar—but circular—stamps as Samian, 1990:42, S96, 99–101). and maintained that the monogram stood for Hera or her sanctuary.

        The Temple of Apollo Bassitas: The architecture

        Frederick A. Cooper – 1992 – ‎Architecture

        heta-rho as B P, or Ionic etarho as HP. The distinction between long epsilon and eta is not to be taken as a chronological indicator but as a geographical one. The combined letters must then represent a word or name, irjp ,25 because there is no suitable ordinal or word denoting position. Hera or hero are possibilities, .

        Table of archaic Cretan alphabet of Dreros and Praisos  http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html

        Semitic name ᾽alf bēt gaml delt wau zai ḥēt ṭēt jōd kaf
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        alpha beta early gammalater gamma deltaalternative delta epsilon digamma zeta, (semk) eta theta early iotalater iota kappa
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        α β γ δ ε ϝ ζ η θ ι κ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        a b g d e w z ē i k
        Semitic name lamd mēm nūn semk ῾ain ṣādē qōf rōš šīn tau (wau)
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        lamba mu nu semk o pi san (not
        used)
        rho (not
        used)
        tau early ulater u
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        λ μ ν ζ? ο π σ ρ τ υ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        l m n z? o p s r t u
      • Note                                                                                                                          Till nowdays the Di particle in the name of God scarcely remained as  “DD” :                                                                                                                         In sicilian, From: Complete List of Keywords www.dieli.net › Proverbs › ProvKeyWds  Ddiu n.m. God. Also: Diu. Ddò n.m. title, honorific
      • From https://books.google.ro › books
        Pasquale Scialò, Francesca Seller, Anthony R. DelDonna · 2015 · Music
        Furthermore, the word “dio” is pronounced [ ddìo]; “dio” also doubles in Neapolitan. ... indicate something significant while avoiding mention of the name of God), “Ddio” (God