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Nu li se poate da de capat semnelor H de la Gbekli Tepe !?

February 28, 2021

O sa impart lucrarea in doua sectiuni: abordarea clasica si ipotezele mele. ABORDAREA CLASICA CURENTA In general se face legatura semnelor H cu semnul luvian/hitit pentru usa, poarta (de intrare) pe de o parte si cu constelatia Orion pe de alta parte. Din World’s First Known Written Word at Göbekli Tepe on T-Shaped Pillar 18 Means God Manu SeyfzadehRobert Schoch https://m.scirp.org/papers/90367?fbclid=IwAR3NaxYxX7x8YwwExdwp_ybzTX11VdD7oXsqpkBjPOzhzjhp6LE_mGFCIPE << The “H”-shaped Luwian symbol is the logogram for PORTA (“gate”; Petra Goedegebuure, personal communication) and is seen in detail for example in an inscription from Arslan Tepe (Figure 10).

Figure 11. Laroche #239, 261, 263, and 457. #457 (1) has the phonetic value of “li”. #239 translates into “Gate” and #263 and #457 (2) are unknown (Petra Goedegebuure, personal communication). #261 is uncertain. From Laroche (1960: pp. 129, 137, 237); modified.

1) the “H” symbols occur both as part of the belt bracketed by semi-circles on Pillar 18 of Enclosure D, as a part of an apparently purely symbolic element on the front of Pillar 18 along with a disk inside a crescent, alone on the front of Pillar 28 in Enclosure C bracketed by two semi-circles (Figure 3(i)), and as a focal point for the direction of where animals are heading as shown on Pillars 43 and 33 in Enclosure D (Figure 3(j), Figure 3(m) & Figure 3(n)), and 2) that this idea of a focal point is consistent with the concept of a gate, the meaning given to the “H”-shaped symbol in Luwian. Therefore, it is possible that the original meaning behind Göbekli Tepe’s iconography was verbally preserved in Anatolia’s prehistoric and ancient legends and myths until a written script was made incorporating those prehistoric symbols along with their archetypal meaning. >>

Sunt total de acord cu urmatoarele opinii ale altor cercetatori: – lumea de dincolo (a mortilor) “Kur”, a sumerienilor este legata de templul E-Kur – semnul H are legatura cu Orion – semnul H este legat de “poarta, intrare”

Din The World of the Sumerian Mother Goddess An Interpretation of Her Myths Therese Rodin << 5.4.1. The concept “door” as part of a constellation of ideas in Mesopotamian myths ….Table 11. Constellation of ideas associated with the concept “door”
door > netherworld > destiny > the first human being ….In this myth the gate belongs to the city of Nippur. We have the reference to the netherworld (kur) when we think of the name of Enlil’s temple: Ekur (é-kur) ….. In “Gilgameš, Enkidu and the nether world” we also meet the door of the netherworld. …… Regarding the idea “door”, the AHw and the CAD tell us that an Akkadian synonym list equals Harali with daltu, door, and as was pointed to earlier, the word is said to be Subaraic.1340 Komoróczy instead interprets the list as “Harali: Tür von Subartu”.1341 If the latter understanding is correct, the word seems to be a word for a place that was seen as an entrance to Subartu. As we saw Komoróczy saw Harali in the far east of Mesopotamia. Is this compatible with the statements that Harali is the “door of Subartu/a “Subaraic word for door”? to answer this question I shall try to locate the area of Subartu.The designation “Subaraic” corresponds to the region called Subartu.
There have been discussions among the scholars as to the location of this region. Some sources indicate that Subartu was located somewhere from the upper reaches of Tigris, stretching toward the west into the area later called Assyria, and perhaps further up to Syria,1343 whereas others locate it more to the east of the upper Tigris. …We saw that Komoróczy understood ېDUDOL as a mountain, being the “door of Subartu”, and that it was sometimes called “Gold Mountain” …. Archaeologists Cyril Smith and William Young have analyzed 125 of these gold objects, and they found that they had inclusions of platiniridium (PGE), similar to the gold of the Pactolus river in western Anatolia. Smith and Young concluded that the gold of Ur was derived from Anatolia.1350 Thus, the article of Smith and young states that there was gold in Anatolia, and it also points to a relationship between Mesopotamia and Anatolia regarding gold. The Fertile Crescent of northern Mesopotamia also stretches into the western parts of
Anatolia, i.e. towards the area of the Pactolus river. , Harali was seen as a door of Subartu one expects that it was situated somewhere on its border, and it might well have been in the western parts of Anatolia. ….To conclude, my understanding of the word Harali, the place where the minor gods work, is that it seems to refer to an area on the border of the Fertile Crescent, since it is called “the door of Subartu”. Further, since Harali was an origin of gold, it is more probable, as I see it, that it was situated somewhere in the area of Anatolia where gold came from, than, as Komoróczy argues, in the Far East.>>

Am aratat cum mai tarziu au aparut semnele proto-cuneiforme Ga2 si Ku

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/KU~a.jpg

care reflecta posibil forma constelatiei Orion. Pe de alta parte, Orion este legat de vanatoare/vanator iar in Egipt este legat si de viata de apoi. Semnul Ga2 inseamna casa iar Ku inseamna stralucirea metalului.
www.constellation-guide.com › constellation-list › orion-c…
Orion Constellation (the Hunter): Stars, Facts, Myth, Location … << Sumerienii l-au asociat cu povestea eroului lor luptând cu taurul cerului, reprezentat de Taur. L-au numit pe Orion URU AN-NA, adică „lumina cerului”. Numele lor pentru constelația Taur era GUD AN-NA, sau „taurul cerului”.>> Sumerian Lexicon (2500 – 1800 BCE)www.naturepagan.com › …  KU: bases, foundation (SUS 10.3) · KUG, : to purify

In scrierea Linear A semnul inseamna “bronz”. Fereastra de vitraliu de pe lespedea de mai jos are exact forma semnului Ku. Imagine, Porthole stone= piatra de HUBLOU

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ABORDAREA MEA. IPOTEZA

Din https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Goebekli-Tepe-2006-pillar-18-in-enclosure-D-foto-Berthold-Steinhilber_fig3_270030960

Göbekli Tepe 2006, pillar 18 in enclosure D (foto Berthold Steinhilber). |  Download Scientific Diagram

Din The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process by John A. Halloran https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm ka:  mouth [KA archaic frequency: 108; concatenates 2 sign variants]. gura ká:  gate [? KA2 archaic frequency: 11; concatenates 4 sign variants]. poarta ka5-(a): fox. vulpe

Posibil icoana vulpii sa faca trimitere la poarta ? …daca si vulpea si poarta se numeau la fel (KA sau altfel) si cu mii de ani inainte. Altfel lingvistii afirma ca dupa 1.000 de ani o limba sufera transformari majore si nu mai este recunoscuta; aici avem chiar mai mult de 2.000 de ani de la Gobekli Tepe 9.000 IEN si inceputurile scrierii sumeriene 3.500 IEN (diferenta 6.000 de ani)

Din http://www.foxesfromthegods.net/foxes.html?fbclid=IwAR1xYBZD9fcU3kN9R862ak5t4pWVe3gjEw0kj0Be8NTkGQ5g3lFTjlm7zQo << Vulpile sunt animale comune în zone întinse din Europa, Orientul Mijlociu și Asia și au interacționat cu rasa umană de mai multe milenii, în măsura în care imaginile și poveștile lor despre comportamentul lor reputat au devenit pe scară largă încorporate în cultura umană. Primele dovezi în acest sens provin de la Gobekli Tepe din sud-estul Turciei, unde reliefurile sculptate ale unei vulpi de câine sunt frecvente pe megalitii în formă de T datând de la 9000 până la 7500 î.Hr. Vulpea apare în literatura de înțelepciune sumeriană, dintre care o mare parte poate fi datată cel puțin în mileniul trei î.Hr. Este un jucător de frunte în mitul lui Enki și Ninchursag, unde salvează lumea de secetă și distrugere după o dispută între Dumnezeu și Zeiță cu privire la pierderea a opt plante speciale. Vulpea este cel mai des menționat animal sălbatic din Proverbele sumeriene unde apare de treizeci și șapte de ori. În literatura ulterioară akkadiană, acesta are un rol principal în Seria Vulpii, unde este implicat în dispute cu Lupul, Leul și Câinele.Analiza detaliată a acestor proverbe și a altor ziceri sumeriene și akkadiene despre vulpi duce la concluzia fermă că Vulpea a fost recunoscută ca o constelație de stele pe cerul nopții. Această constelație conținea cea mai strălucitoare stea variabilă pe perioadă lungă, Mira, a cărei luminozitate contrară a dus la acordarea vulpei de o personalitate incontestabilă.>> ATENTIE ! Din Gobekli Tepe’s Pillars http://martinsweatman.blogspot.com/2020/10/gobekli-tepes-pillars.html << Stâlpii 9 și 10: Stâlpii centrali ai incintei B, fiecare are câte o vulpe sculptată pe suprafața sa interioară. Pilonul 9 are un bol mic sculptat în piatră la piciorul său.Vulpea, reprezentând probabil constelația Vărsător, este unul dintre cele mai comune animale sculptate la Gobekli Tepe. Fluxul de meteori Taurizi a fost probabil centrat peste Vărsător în jurul anului 9.000 î.Hr., când această incintă era în uz. Eventual, simbolul vulpii de la GT este legat de setul zeității AE, zeul haosului și al furtunilor de deșert, care este adesea descris cu ceea ce pare a fi un cap de vulpe.

Intrarea portalului în incinta B de pe partea sa nordică prezintă un cap de taur (bucraniul) flancat de o pereche de vulpi. Din nou, acest lucru indică probabil constelațiile Capricornus și Vărsător și, prin urmare, fluxul de meteori Taurid. Așadar, nu este surprinzător să găsim mai multe proverbe mesopotamiene referitoare la vulpe și taur, în timp ce vulpile și taurii apar pregnant în iconografia lor religioasă.>>

http://www.foxesfromthegods.net/proverbs.html?fbclid=IwAR0TlVs5gGgE_iRwr3Ty4snypgqgHZL1pg47oceNI7VjeBg_LUbSyobbAeY

<< Multe proverbe sumeriene au fost recuperate și traduse din seturi de tăblițe cuneiforme datând din mileniul III î.Hr. În aceste colecții vulpea este cel mai comun animal sălbatic menționat. Dintre cele treizeci și șapte de proverbe cu vulpi din literatura sumeriană, câteva se remarcă prin descrierea unei relații între două forme animale. Cele mai ușor de înțeles dintre acestea implică Vulpea și Taurul sălbatic. Constelația Vulpea are o regiune distinctivă a capului care conține steaua Menkar, care se află chiar în spatele și sub colecția de stele, care a fost aproape universal cunoscută în cultura vest-asiatică sub numele de Taur >> http://www.foxesfromthegods.net/images/Fox%20and%20Bull.jpg

The Fox and Bull Constellations

Göbekli Tepe’deki “H” tabelasına kimse son vermiyor

February 26, 2021

The Secret of Gobekli Tepe: Cosmic Equinox and Sacred Marriage – Part II Göbekli Tepe’nin Sırrı: Kozmik Ekinoks ve Kutsal Evlilik – Bölüm II https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/secret-gobekli-tepe-cosmic-equinox-and-sacred-marriage-part-ii-002862

The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs
Göbeklitepe’deki merkez sütunlar “H” ve güneş-ay işaretlerini gösteriyor

<< Güneş ve ay ikonografisi, zamanımızın en önemli arkeolojik alanlarından Neolitik tapınaklar olan Göbeklitepe’nin etkileyici ayakta sütunlarında bulunabilir. Konuk yazar Özgür Etli, antik inşaatçıların tapınakları kullanan insanlara hangi mesajları vermeye çalıştıklarını ve aynı zamanda tüm insanlığa iletmeye çalıştıklarını inceliyor. Bölüm I Oku Güneş-ay motifinin üzerinde yer alan “H” işaretinin erkek ve kadın birlikteliğini veya baharda tanrı-tanrıça evliliğini simgelediği tahmin edilebilir. Arkeolog Klaus Schmidt, bu motifin erkek ve dişi sembolize ettiğine inanıyor. Sütunun ayakta durma pozisyonu aynı zamanda daha önce de belirtildiği gibi “doğum” veya “yeniden doğuşu” sembolize eder.

Göbekli Tepe & The Great Year | Ancient Origins
Inanna and Dumuzi

Yazar ayrıca İnanna ve Dumuzi / Tamuz kutsal evliliğine ve ayrıca Kybele’nin doğurganlık kültüne yaklaşımlarda bulunur. << Arkeolojik araştırmalarda Anadolu’da çeşitli dönemlere ait çok sayıda çift başlı figürin bulunmuştur. Bu figürinlere ikiz tanrıça denir. Alim ve bilim adamı Cevat Şakir’e (Halikarnas Balıkçısı) göre bu figürler tanrıçayı ve kocasını simgelemektedir [5]. Görünüşe göre, dünya anneleri ilk uygarlık dönemlerinden beri saygı görüyor. Toprağın bereketi, yaşamın istikrarı için hayati öneme sahipti. O nedenle insan uygarlığımızın ilk dönemlerinde ölüm, doğum ve yeniden doğuş kavramları en önemlisi olmalıydı. Dolayısıyla insan uygarlığımızın çıkış noktası olan Göbeklitepe tapınaklarında da Sümer kutsal nikah törenlerinin yapıldığını düşünebiliriz. Klaus Schmidt’in görüşüne göre Göbeklitepe kültürü Sümer ve Mısır medeniyetlerini etkileyebilirdi. O halde saati geriye çevirerek Göbeklitepe neolitik kültüründe yerleşik kültürel Sümer unsurlarını da görmeliyiz. D Tapınağı’nın merkez direğinde tasvir edilen güneş-ay sembolünün veya güneş ile ayın kutsal buluşmasının ekinoks zamanını ve baharın başlangıcını temsil ettiğini tahmin edebilir miyiz? Çeşitli bulgular ve kanıtlarla yapabiliriz. >> Başka bir gönderide, H işaretinin iki Tau’dan (biri sola + biri sağda) oluştuğunu ileri sürdüm; Yani işareti T = “Ben”, H = Ben-Ben.

Şimdi Ur-Bau = Ur-MeMe’nin (Bau, Kybele’den daha yaşlı olan antik Tanrıça, (aslında geldiği zamandan)) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mesopotamian_deities Nintinugga olarak da bilinen diğer büyük tanrılar Gula’nın nasıl olduğunu görüyorsunuz. Ninkarrak, Meme, Bau ve Ninisina, Mezopotamya şifa tanrıçası ve doktorların ve ilaç işçilerinin ilahi koruyucusudur. ….. Eski Mezopotamya’daki tanrılar neredeyse tamamen antropomorfikti. Olağanüstü güçlere sahip oldukları düşünülüyordu ve çoğu zaman Muazzam fiziksel boyutta olduğu düşünülür. Tanrılar tipik olarak melam giyerlerdi, “onları dehşet verici bir ihtişamla kaplayan” ve ayrıca kahramanlar, krallar, devler ve hatta iblisler tarafından da giyilebilen belirsiz bir madde. Bir tanrının melamını görmenin etkisi bir insanda “bedenin fiziksel olarak sürünmesi” için bir kelime olan ni olarak tanımlanır. Hem Sümer hem de Akad dilleri birçok w “korku” anlamına gelen puluhtu kelimesi de dahil olmak üzere ni hissini ifade etmek için ords .

!! “melam” aslında “Me” idi !!

Sümer Dili – Bir anime’de (kader serisi), bir sohbet karakterinde … sumerianlanguage.tumblr.com ›post› in-an-anime-fat … Melam (aynı zamanda hecelenen melem veya melim) “ihtişam” anlamına gelen bir isimdir. ..

Sümer Sözlüğü – bulgari-istoria-2010.comwww.bulgari-istoria-2010.com ›Rechnici› Sümer _… … EMEURANNA = ANU’nun Kahramanı ME’lerin Evi … Nimbus = MELAM.

Olabilir, D muhafazasındaki DEMİR 18’İNE YARDIMCI OLABİLİRİZ, BU İŞARETLER ERKEN KADIN RUH-İLAHİ OLDUĞUNU GÖSTERİYOR

Nobody puts an end to the “H” signs from Gobekli Tepe

February 26, 2021

From The Secret of Gobekli Tepe: Cosmic Equinox and Sacred Marriage – Part II https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/secret-gobekli-tepe-cosmic-equinox-and-sacred-marriage-part-ii-002862

The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs
The center pillars at Göbeklitepe depict the “H” and sun-moon signs

<< Sun and moon iconography can be found on the impressive standing pillars of Göbeklitepe, the Neolithic temples that are among the most important archaeological sites of our time. Guest author Özgür Etli examines what messages the ancient builders might have been trying to impart to the people who used the temples, and what they might have also been trying to communicate to all of humanity.

Read Part I

It can be speculated that the H” sign located above the sun-moon motif symbolizes male and female togetherness, or a god-goddess marriage in spring. Archaeologist Klaus Schmidt believes this motif symbolizes male and female. The standing position of the pillar also symbolizes “birth” or “rebirth”, as mentioned previously.

Göbekli Tepe & The Great Year | Ancient Origins
Inanna and Dumuzi

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Further the author make approaches to Inanna and Dumuzi/Tamuz sacred marriage and further to fertility cult of Cybele. << In archaeological research, numerous double-headed figurines have been found belonging to various periods in Anatolia. These figurines are called twin-goddesses. According to scholar and scientist Cevat Şakir, ( Halikarnas Balıkçısı ), these figures symbolize the goddess and her husband [5]. Seemingly, earth mothers have been venerated since the first eras of civilization. Fertility of soil had vital importance for the steadiness of life. For that matter, death, birth and rebirth concepts should have been be the most important at the initial periods of our human civilization. Therefore, we can consider that Sumerian sacred marriage ceremonies were also performed in Göbeklitepe temples, the starting point for our human civilization. According to Klaus Schmidt’s opinion, Göbeklitepe culture could have affected the Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations. In that case, by turning the clock back, we should see established cultural Sumerian elements in Göbeklitepe neolithic culture as well. Can we speculate that the sun-moon symbol, or the sacred meeting of sun and moon, depicted on center pillar of Temple D represents equinox time and the beginning of spring? With various findings and proof we can. >>

In another post I advanced that sign H is composed of twoo Tau’s (one to left left+ one on right); So as sign T=”Me”, H= Me-Me.

Now you see how Ur-Bau =Ur-MeMe (Bau, ancient Goddess older than Cybele, (in fact from wich come) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mesopotamian_deities Other major deities Gula, also known as Nintinugga, Ninkarrak, Meme, Bau, and Ninisina, is the Mesopotamian goddess of healing and the divine patroness of doctors and medicine-workers. …..Deities in ancient Mesopotamia were almost exclusively anthropomorphic. They were thought to possess extraordinary powers and were often envisioned as being of tremendous physical size. The deities typically wore melam, an ambiguous substance which “covered them in terrifying splendor” and which could also be worn by heroes, kings, giants, and even demons. The effect that seeing a deity’s melam has on a human is described as ni, a word for the “physical creeping of the flesh“. Both the Sumerian and Akkadian languages contain many words to express the sensation of ni,[4] including the word puluhtu, meaning “fear”

!! “melam” was in fact “Me” !!

Sumerian Language — In an anime (fate series), a chatacter …sumerianlanguage.tumblr.com › post › in-an-anime-fat… Melam (also spelled melem or melim) is a noun meaning “splendor, …

Sumerian Dictionary – bulgari-istoria-2010.comwww.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › Rechnici › Sumerian_… … EMEURANNA = House of the ME’s of ANU’s Hero … Nimbus = MELAM.

MAYBE WE ASSIST ON PILLAR 18 in enclosure D , THAT H SIGNS ARE INDICATING AN EARLY FEMALE SPIRIT-DIVINITY

Göbekli Tepe. Possibly the greatest leap of mankind.

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html

Yes, and we may not even know about this leap. We know some moments that we consider turning in the development of mankind, such as the discovery of fire, writing, the industrial revolution, the conquest of outer space. In each of these it is a question of having in fact made only a breach only in a certain field or sector. We are surprised and we have the impression that the Egyptians and the Sumerians had some civilizations apparently suddenly emerged from nothing. Is that so !? We forget that in the case of the Sumerians until the discovery of writing they used hundreds and thousands of years ago a rudimentary system of counting using tokens. In the Neolithic tools and constructions appeared, but we forget that thousands of years ago they used only stone tools. We have a reference moment in the development of the oldest known civilization, the Sumerian one. That would be when the divine knowledge from the gods was shared with the earthlings and thus known and used. This knowledge was called ME. The sign of ME (known only after the discovery of writing) is T / Tau and was known long before the discovery of writing.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign ME~a

Interestingly, mankind has noticed that there is a complicated connection and mechanism by which different components of nature are articulated, otherwise functioning as a kind of clock machine, so perfect. People have noticed cause and effect connections tens of thousands of years ago, but working in detail escapes their understanding. It was a mysterious and complex world whose signs could not be read. In the Neolithic, the Sumerians closely classified and ordered these legitimacies, in the form of MEs. Very interesting, that they realized that the material and the spiritual aspect, both good and bad, are the parts and facets of one and the same reality. Although this stage of human knowledge is known, I am surprised that its true importance is not realized, it is not analyzed and debated at length. Then how can I be surprised that another fact was not even realized. Now comes the shock element, the bomb bomb:

THE CIVILIZATIONS OF HUNTING CONNECTORS WHICH PRECEDED THE SUMERIAN CIVILIZATION (ATTENTION, THERE WERE MORE) THEY HAD A CLEAR VISION AND THEY WERE AWARE OF THE CLOSE CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL ASPECTS OF NATURE AND ACTION. LONG BEFORE AND OBVIOUSLY ON ANOTHER SCALE, THEY WERE AWARE OF THESE LEGITIES CALLED BY THE SUMERIANS “ME”.

In their religious system, different elements were connected to each other by invisible threads, all being interconnected. The mechanism in detail was not known to people or shamans or priests. The whole system was organized around a spiritual entity, the ME who was responsible and explained everything. A kind of essence of life. It doesn’t even matter what name or meaning that name had: being, power, will (to live), I / Me … In the Sumerian language, but also in Nostratica (the language from which theoretically everything is derived) It means “I, me, my “… so it shows that the man took his destiny with all his might in his own hands and decided to assert loudly, strongly even through these monuments, the place he hardly won.The fact that they gathered there for thousands of years, shows that that community was a success. And the success was measured by the effect and effectiveness of practical, but also social, group teachings and the ability to maintain community cohesion. difficulties found resources and strength to resume and continue life.That mythology as if the knowledge came from the gods by divine ordinances seems to have had a real precedent in Gobekli Tepe, long before, with the difference that that knowledge did not fall on their heads from heaven or from the god but were obtained and gathered with much effort through the practice of thousands of years. When we look in the dictionary or in the Sumerian writings what those ME were, we see that the swi pillars of the Gobekli Tepe monuments, if they were called Me, could gather and synthesize simultaneously: divine ordinances, priests, oracles, the essence of life, power, struggle and many more. I wonder, what religion in the world would not want to synthesize in a single word or notion and gather in a bundle everything that could be related to religion or divinity? Let us not forget that in our case what was deified was not a character but the wonderful nature itself in its immensity and complexity.

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; gtildee: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell.

Göbekli Tepe.Muhtemelen insanlığın en büyük sıçraması

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html

Evet ve bu sıçramayı bile bilmeyebiliriz. Ateşin keşfi, yazı, sanayi devrimi, uzayın fethi gibi insanlığın gelişiminde dönmeyi düşündüğümüz bazı anları biliyoruz. Bunların her birinde aslında sadece belirli bir alanda ya da sektörde sadece bir gedik yapmış olma meselesi… Şaşırıyoruz ve Mısırlıların ve Sümerlerin bazı medeniyetlerin birdenbire yoktan ortaya çıktığı izlenimine kapılıyoruz. Böylece !? Sümerler söz konusu olduğunda, yüzlerce ve binlerce yıl önce yazının keşfine kadar, jeton kullanarak ilkel bir sayma sistemi olduğunu unutuyoruz.Neolitik alet ve yapılarda ortaya çıktı, ancak binlerce yıl önce sadece taş kullandıklarını unutuyoruz. araçlar. Bilinen en eski medeniyet olan Sümer medeniyetinin gelişiminde bir referans anımız var.Bu, tanrılardan gelen ilahi bilginin dünyalılarla paylaşıldığı ve böylece bilindiği ve kullanıldığı zamandı.Bu bilgiye ME deniyordu.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html işaret ME

ME’nin işareti (yalnızca yazının keşfinden sonra bilinir) T / Tau’dur ve yazının keşfinden çok önce biliniyordu. İlginç bir şekilde, insanlık, doğanın farklı bileşenlerinin eklemlendiği karmaşık bir bağlantı ve mekanizma olduğunu, aksi takdirde bir tür saat makinesi olarak işlev gördüğünü, bu kadar mükemmel olduğunu gözlemlemiştir. İnsanlar neden sonuç ilişkilerini on binlerce yıl önce fark ettiler, ancak ayrıntılı çalışmak anlayışlarından kaçıyor. İşaretleri okunamayan gizemli ve karmaşık bir dünyaydı. Neolitik çağda Sümerler, bu meşruiyetleri ME’ler şeklinde yakından sınıflandırıp düzenlediler.İyi ve kötü maddi ve manevi yönün aynı gerçekliğin parçaları ve yönleri olduğunu anlamaları çok ilginçti. İnsan bilgisinin bu aşaması bilinmesine rağmen, gerçek öneminin anlaşılmamasına, uzun uzun analiz edilmemesine ve tartışılmamasına şaşırıyorum, o zaman başka bir gerçeğin bile gerçekleşmemesine nasıl şaşırabilirim. Şimdi şok unsuru, bomba bombası geliyor:

SÜMER MEDENİYETİNİ ÖNCELENEN AVCILIK KONEKTÖRLERİNİN UYGARLIKLARI (DİKKAT, DAHA FAZLASI) AÇIK BİR GÖRÜŞLERİ VARDI VE DOĞA VE AKSİYONUN TÜM YÖNLERİ ARASINDAKİ YAKIN BAĞLANTIDAN FARKINDALIKLARDIR.

Dini sistemlerinde, farklı unsurlar birbirine görünmez iplerle bağlıydı, hepsi birbirine bağlıydı, mekanizma detaylı olarak insanlar, şamanlar veya rahipler tarafından bilinmiyordu. Tüm sistem manevi bir varlık, sorumlu olan ve her şeyi açıklayan ME, bir tür yaşam özü etrafında örgütlenmişti. Bu ismin hangi isme veya anlama sahip olduğunun bile önemi yok: varlık, güç, irade (yaşamak), Ben / Benim … Sümer dilinde, ama aynı zamanda Nostratica’da (teorik olarak her şeyin türetildiği dil) “Ben, ben, benim” anlamına geliyor … bu yüzden adamın kaderini tüm gücüyle kendi eline aldığını ve bu anıtlar aracılığıyla bile kazanamadığı yeri yüksek sesle, güçlü bir şekilde ileri sürmeye karar verdiğini gösteriyor.Binlerce yıldır orada toplanmış olmaları, o topluluğun başarılı olduğunu gösteriyor. Ve başarı, pratik ve aynı zamanda sosyal grup öğretilerinin etkisi ve etkinliği ve topluluk uyumunu sürdürme becerisiyle ölçülüyordu. Tapınakların gömüldüğü zamanlar, bölgedeki topluluklar için aşırı zorluk dönemlerine denk geliyor gibi görünüyor. yaşamı sürdürmek ve sürdürmek için kaynaklar ve güç.Bu mitoloji, tanrılardan ilahi kurallarla gelmiş gibi mitolojinin, çok daha önce Göbekli Tepe’de gerçek bir emsali olmuş gibi görünüyor, bu fark, bu bilginin cennetten veya tanrıdan kafalarına düşmemesi, ancak elde edilmiş olması ve Binlerce yıllık uygulama ile büyük çaba sarf etti. Sözlüğe veya Sümer yazılarına baktığımızda, bu ME’nin ne olduğuna baktığımızda, Göbekli Tepe anıtlarının swi sütunlarının, eğer Me olarak adlandırılırlarsa, aynı anda toplanıp sentezlenebildiklerini görürüz: ilahi törenler, rahipler, kahinler, hayat, güç, mücadele ve çok daha fazlası. Merak ediyorum, dünyadaki hangi din tek bir kelime ya da kavramda sentezlemek ve din ya da tanrısallıkla ilgili olabilecek her şeyi bir araya toplamak istemez? Unutmayalım ki bizim durumumuzda tanrılaştırılan bir karakter değil, büyüklüğü ve karmaşıklığıyla harika doğanın kendisi idi.

From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; ge: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell. <<işlev, ofis, sorumluluk; ideal norm; bir tanrının gücünün olağanüstü alanı; ilahi kararname, kehanet; kült. v. olmak>>

Göbekli Tepe. Posibil cel mai mare salt al omenirii.

February 22, 2021

Gobekli Tepe, the World's Oldest Megalith and the World's First Temple
GOBEKLI TEPE, THE WORLD’S OLDEST MEGALITH AND POSSIBLY WORLD’S FIRST TEMPLE
https://unbelievable-facts.com/2018/03/gobekli-tepe.html Gobekli Tepe, Southeastern Anatolia, and Klaus Schmidt. (+) Image Source: GoogleMapswikipedia

Da, si posibil noi nici sa nu fim constienti de amploarea acestui salt. Noi cunoastem cateva momente pe care le consideram de cotitura in dezvoltarea omenirii, cum ar fi descoperirea focului, a scrisului, revolutia industriala, cucerirea spatiului cosmic. In fiecare din acestea e vorba de a se fi facut de fapt doar o bresa numai intr-un anumit domeniu sau sector. Ne miram si avem impresia ca civilizatiile Egipteana si sumeriana au aparut brusc, cumva din neant. Asa sa fie oare !? Uitam ca in cazul sumerienilor pana la descoperirea scrisului au folosit inainte cu sute si mii de ani un sistem rudimentar de socotire folosind jetoane. In neolitic au aparut unelte si constructii, dar uitam ca mii de ani inainte au folosit exclusiv unelte din piatra. Avem un moment de referinta in dezvoltarea celei mai vechi civilizatii cunoscute, cea sumeriana.Acela ar fi cand dupa spusele lor, cunostintele divine (adica provenite de la zei), au fost impartite pamantenilor si astfel cunoscute si folosite.Aceste cunostinte sau numit ME.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Semn ME~a

Semnul lui ME (cunoscut numai dupa descoperirea scrierii) este in forma literei T/Tau si a fost cunoscut cu mult inainte de descoperirea scrisului. Interesant este faptul ca omenirea a observat ca exista o legatura si un mecanism complicat, prin care diferite componente ale naturii se articuleaza, altfel astfel functionand ca un gen de masinarie de ceasornic, deci perfect. Oamenii au observat in urma cu zeci de mii de ani legaturi gen cauza si efect, insa functionarea in amanunt le scapa intelegerii. Era o lume misterioasa si complexa a carei semne nu puteau fi citite. In neolitic, sumerienii au strans clasificat si ordonat aceste legitati, sub forma ME-urilor.Foarte interesant, ca au realizat ca aspectul material si cel spiritual atat cele bune cat si cele rele, sunt partile si fatetele uneia si aceleiasi realitati. Desi se stie de aceasta etapa a cunoasterii umane, ma mir ca nu i se realizeaza adevarata importanta, nu este analizata si dezbatuta pe larg.Atunci cum sa ma mire ca unui alt fapt nici macar nu i-a fost realizata existenta. Acum vine elementul soc, bomba bombelor: CIVILIZATIILE DE CULEGATORI VANATORI CARE AU PRECEDAT CIVILIZATIA SUMERIANA (ATENTIE, AU FOST MAI MULTE) AU AVUT O VIZIUNE CLARA SI AU FOST CONSTIENTI DE LEGATURA STRANSA INTRE TOATE ASPECTELE NATURII, OMUL SI IN ULTIMA ESENTA VIATA, IN MOD NECESAR SI FORTUIT TREBUIND SA FIE IN CENTRUl ACTIUNII. CU MULT INAINTE SI EVIDENT LA ALTA SCARA, AU FOST CONSTIENTI DE ACELE LEGITATI DENUMITE DE SUMERIEN “ME”.

In sistemul lor religios, diferite elemente erau legate intre ele prin fire nevazute toate fiind interconectate.Mecanismul in amanunt nu il cunosteau nici oamenii nici samanii sau preoti ce or fi fost. Intreg sistemul era organizat in jurul unei entitati de factura spirituala, ME care era responsabila si explica totul.Un gen de esenta a vietii. Nici nu conteaza ce nume sau semnificatie avea acel nume: fiinta, puterea,vointa (de a trai),Eu/Meu… In limba sumeriana, dar si in Nostratica (limba din care teoretic se trag toate) Me insemna “Eu,mie,meu”…deci arata ca omul si-a luat cu toata forta destinul in propriile maiini si a hotarat sa-si afirme tare, cu tarie chiar si prin aceste monumente, locul cu greu castigat.

Faptul ca se adunau acolo mii de ani la rand, arata ca acea comunitate a fost una de succes. Iar succesul s-a masurat prin efectul si eficacitatea invataturilor practice, dar si sociale, de grup si capacitatii de a mentine coeziunea comunitatii.Se pare ca momentele in care templele au fost ingropate au coincis cu perioade de dificultate extrema a comunitatilor din zona.In ciuda acestor dificultati au gasit resurse si forta sa reia si sa continue viata.

Acea mitologie precum ca cunostintele au venit de la zei prin ordonante divine se pare ca la Gobekli Tepe a avut un precedent real, cu mult inainte, cu diferenta ca acele cunostinte nu le-au picat in cap din cer si nici de la zeu ci au fost obtinute si adunate cu mult efort prin practica a mii de ani. Cand ne uitam in dictionar sau in scrierile sumeriene ce anume erau acele ME, vedem ca pilonii si monumentele de la Gobekli Tepe, daca se numeau Me, puteu strange si sintetiza simultan intelesurile: ordonante divine,preotii, oracole, esenta vietii, puterea, lupta si inca multe altele. Ma intreb, ce religie din lume nu si-ar dori ca printr-un singur cuvant sau notiune sa sintetizeze si sa stranga intr-un manunchi tot ce ar putea fi legat de religie sau divinitate ? Sa nu uitam, ca in cazul nostru ceea ce era divinizat nu era vre-un personaj ci natura mirabila insasi in imensitatea si complexitatea ei.

Din https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm me, mì; ge: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell. Lb.Rom.:”funcție, oficiu, responsabilitate; norma ideala; zona fenomenală a puterii unei zeități; decret divin, oracol; cult. v. a fi;>>

Teoretic, fazele de evolutie a religiei au fost : animista, samanista si pagana. Asta nu inseamna ca parti din unele nu au existat in altele.

Din https://damienmarieathope.com/2015/12/paganism/?v=32aec8db952d << Ce cred păgânii? Unii păgâni cred într-un singur zeu sau o singură zeiță, unii cred într-un zeu și o zeiță, unii cred în mulți zei și / sau în multe zeițe, unii cred că nu există zeu și unii nu sunt siguri dacă există / sunt zei sau nu. Unii se închină acestor zei, iar unii (chiar și cei care cred în ei) nu. Unii sunt animiști (Natura – Venerare) și cred că „spiritul” există la toți oamenii, animalele, plantele, ființele non-vii, cum ar fi stâncile, planetele, oceanele și vântul, ca un concept real sau un concept abstract, cum ar fi iubirea, creativitatea, și schimbare.>> Din https://damienmarieathope.com/2018/05/paganism-an-approximately-12000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d

<< Păgânismul face parte dintr-un grup de gândiri religioase legate intre ele, care pare să transforme spiritele animiste in care credeau odinioară ”(un sistem de credințe datând de acum cel puțin 100.000 de ani pe continentul Africii), care în totemism (datând cu cel puțin 50.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Europei) odata cu perceperea unor noi nevoi, cărora li s-a dat expresie artistică in spiritele animiste atât animale, sau umane („se pare că se concentrează pe femeile umane pentru început și doar mult mai târziu există ceea ce ar putea fi adăugat un accent masculin”). Dar chiar și aceasta a evoluat în o comuniune mai puternică, cu mai multe conexiuni în șamanism (un sistem de credințe datând cu cel puțin 30.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Aisa) cu nevoi nou percepute, apoi aceasta a evoluat în păgânism (un sistem de credințe datând cu cel puțin 13.000 de ani în urmă pe continentul Europei de Est / Asia de Vest Turcia, în principal, dar estul Mediteranei este bogat, într-o oarecare măsură sau alta), cu nevoi nou percepute, unde vedeți apariția zeilor animale și zeițele de sex feminin din jurul lor în zei de animale și zeițe de sex feminin mai formalizate și abia după 7.000 până la 6.000 de zei bărbați apar unul care își arată legătura în evoluția religiei și celălalt mai mult pe ea ca religie istorică.

În cele din urmă, păgânismul se suprapune, de asemenea, cu „religia populară”, precum și cu „religia etnică / indigenă” și poate exprima o viziune asupra lumii care este animistă, totemistă, șamanistă, panteistă, deistă, divinistă, monoteistă, duoteistă, politeistă sau monoteistă. Paganismul însemna inițial „rustic, rural, locuitor la țară” o clasă tradițională de păstori / fermieri / muncitori sau „neparticipant, civil” care se referea ulterior la oricine este implicat în orice altă religie decât una dintre principalele religii ale lumii, în mod specific necreștină. Astfel, păgânismul și religia populară sunt relativ aceleași lucruri pentru mine, doar cuvinte diferite care înseamnă relativ aceleași lucruri, așa că eu folosesc doar termenul de păgânism. …. „PăgânismCred în viața plină de duhuri și / sau viața de apoi poate fi atașată sau exprimată în lucruri sau obiecte și aceste obiecte pot fi folosite de persoane speciale sau în ritualuri speciale se pot conecta la viața plină de duhuri și / sau viața de apoi sunt ghidați / susținuți de o zeiță / zeu sau zeițe / zei>>

Alta chestiune la care vreau sa ma refer este cultul mortilor. Aici trebuie sa avem in vedere ca pe de o parte filonul central al intregii conceptii religioase a fost viata si chiar si lucrurile aveau un spirit viata proprie a lor, deci si mortii.

https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/08/sky-burials-animism-totemism-shamanism-and-paganism/?v=32aec8db952d Înmormântarea cerului (tibetană: བྱ་ གཏོར་, Wylie: bya gtor, lit. „împrăștiată de păsări”) este o practică funerară în care un cadavru uman este așezat pe un vârf de munte pentru a se descompune în timp ce este expus la elemente sau pentru a fi mâncat prin eliminare animale, în special păsări carote. Este un tip specific al practicii generale a încarnării.
https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/08/sky-burials-animism-totemism-shamanism-and-paganism/?v=32aec8db952d

Göbekli Tepe clues !

February 19, 2021

The findings are organised in the folowing chapters:

A. Gods or spirits !? B. People gathering. Sumerian “Me” C. Birds & Cult of the Deads D. E-KUR, ARATTA E. Door, doorway ====================== A. Gods or spirits !? From https://damienmarieathope.com/2017/11/shamanism-an-approximately-30000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d << Shamanism encompasses the premise that shamans are: intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. A first definition of this complex phenomenon, and perhaps the least hazardous, will be: shamanism = ‘technique of religious ecstasy‘.” Shamanism encompasses the premise that shamans are intermediaries or messengers between the human world and the spirit worlds. Shamans are said to treat ailments/illnes by mending the soul. Alleviating traumas affecting the soul/spirit restores the physical body of the individual to balance and wholeness. The shaman also enters supernatural realms or dimensions to obtain solutions to problems afflicting the community. Shamans may visit other worlds/dimensions to bring guidance to misguided souls and to ameliorate illnesses of the human soul caused by foreign elements. The shaman operates primarily within the spiritual world, which in turn affects the human world. The restoration of balance results in the elimination of the ailment. 

Paganism: an approximately 12,000-year-old belief system
https://damienmarieathope.com/2018/05/paganism-an-approximately-12000-year-old-belief-system/?v=32aec8db952d

* “paganist” Believe in spirit-filled life and/or afterlife can be attached to or be expressed in things or objects and these objects can be used by special persons or in special rituals can connect to spirit-filled life and/or afterlife who are guided/supported by a goddess/god or goddesses/gods (you are a hidden paganist/Paganism: an approximately 12,000-year-old belief system) AndGobekli Tepe: “first human made temple” as well as Catal Huyuk “first religious designed city” are both evidence of some kind of early paganism. early paganism is connected to Proto-Indo-European language and religion. 

What do pagans believe? Some pagans believe in a single god or single goddess, some believe in a god and goddess, some believe in many gods and/or many goddesses, some believe there is no god and some are not sure whether there is/are god(s) or not. Some worship these gods, and some (even those who believe in them) do not. Some are animist (Nature – Veneration) and believe that ‘spirit’ exists in all humans, animals, plants, non-living things like rocks, planets, oceans and wind, as a real concept or an abstract concepts such as love, creativity, and change.>>

—————— Despite the scientist’s approaches of Gobekli Tepe people’s faith to gods and slight traces on T-pillars toward antropomorphic shape, my opinion is that they worshiped spirits. From Mesopotamia, Ancient | Encyclopedia.comwww.encyclopedia.com › religion › mesopotamia-ancient << The offices of the gods touched upon a very distinctive feature of early Mesopotamian thought. These offices were called ME, which is probably the noun of the verb “to be.” It is being, but being specified and normative that imparted to nature and society its essential structure. In one piece of speculation ME was at the very beginning of cosmic origins, antecedent to divinity itself. In the actual order, however, the gods controlled and disposed of me; this was the highest prerogative of divinity. >> From https://www.coursehero.com/file/p7jom8g/but-implies-a-situation-resembling-that-in-Open-sesame-Given-the/ << Some of these mono-liths exhibit arms and hands in bas-relief, suggesting that they represent anthropomorphic beings.It is not clear, however, what kind of beings these standing stones impersonate : do they represent anthropomorphic gods, shamans, ancestors, stone spirits or perhaps even demons >> Gobekli Tepe’s faith keep aspects and traces of different religion developement phases, from animism, totemism, shamanism and paganism.

B. People gathering. Sumerian-like distribution of “Me’s”. People gathered at Gobekli Tepe to exchange experiences and strengthen and maintain close kinship. Sumerian Me, is an allready extensive discussed subject. There are clues that another civilisation preceeded sumerian was the most advanced of its time in entire World, and from that one, sumerians inherited basics for starting full-scale civilisation. Gobekli Tepe religion was centered around life principle. Not necessary needed a god, they had spirits. The main spirit, no matter its name (“Me”=”Beeing” or a forgotten name wich was its equivalent in Proto-Eupratic language). Its icon was T-shaped pillars.The icon was the materialization of the idea: “beeing,to be” and was a spirit, not a human beeing or god proper, nor his icon. From www.facebook.com › permalink Hittite word of the day ešzi / aš-… – Sumerian and Hittite Language … Hittite word of the day ešzi / aš- (Ia3) ‘to be (copula); to be present’: 1sg.pres.act. e -eš-mi (Sumerian : me “to be” ) ( Etymological Dictionary… From enenuru.net › pdfs › Sumeria…PDF Sumerian Vocabulary: – enenuru Sumerian Vocabulary: Words occurring … me ( ME) to be me (ME) essence From On The Origin of Sumerian Allan R. Bomhard Charleston, South Carolina file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Bomhard_On_the_Origin_of_Sumerian_1997.pdf <<me “abundant, plenty” …. Right away, we notice that the Emesal 1st singular forms (subject) me.e, (dative) ma-a-ra are related to the common Nostratic 1st person personal pronoun stem mi/me ‘I, me’>> From books.google.ro › books A Grammar of Modern Indo-European: Language and Culture, Writing … Carlos Quiles, Fernando Lopez-Menchero — 2009 << Pre-IE III and Pre-Proto-Anatolian dialects evolve in different communities but presumably still in contact ca. 3500-3000 BC. … Meaning Early PIE Proto-Uralic I, me” *me, “me” (Ace), * mene, >>

AT THE GOBEKLI TEPE PEOPLE GATHERED PERIODICALLY TO CELEBRATE THE CYCLICALITY AND SPECTACLE OF LIFE AND ITS RENEWAL, MAYBE FERTILITY-NEW-YEAR FESTIVALS

C. Birds & Cult of the Deads Gobekli Tepe’s people see anything living beeing or object, alive or dead as possesing own spirit. So the dead-ones were not proper completely dead in our understanding.The birds had a special relation with deads as beeing messengers between the World of living and the other World. From Ritualistic Bird Symbolism at Gobekli Tepe and its “Ancestor Cult” by Damien AtHope | Jun 25, 2019 https://damienmarieathope.com/2019/06/ritualistic-bird-symbolism-at-gobekli-tepe-and-its-ancestor-cult/?v=32aec8db952d << Ritualistic Bird Symbolism at Gobekli Tepe and its “Ancestor Cult” a Sacred Sky Burial Relationship between Birds and Spirits of the Dead Myths from several regions’ associate birds with the creation of the world. Sacred ideas of birds range from a creator role, to a symbol of life as well as relating to both death and rebirth. Birds are a common totem or believed spirit and relate to renewal, transformation, and ancestors as well. In this deity, spirit or ancestor role they may be seen as Bird People (people with the characteristics of birds) a common motif in myths. Also, birds are commonly associated with or relate to fertility, longevity, and life itself. “Veneration of the dead, including one’s ancestors, is based on love and respect for the deceased. In some cultures, it is related to beliefs that the dead have a continued existence, and may possess the ability to influence the fortune of the living. Some groups venerate their direct, familial ancestors. Certain sects and religions, in particular the Roman Catholic Church, venerate saints as intercessors with God, as well as pray for departed souls in Purgatory.In EuropeAsiaOceaniaAfrican and Afro-diasporic cultures, the goal of ancestor veneration is to ensure the ancestors’ continued well-being and positive disposition towards the living, and sometimes to ask for special favors or assistance. The social or non-religious function of ancestor veneration is to cultivate kinship values, such as filial piety, family loyalty, and continuity of the family lineage. Ancestor veneration occurs in societies with every degree of social, political, and technological complexity, and it remains an important component of various religious practices in modern times.

“Sky Burial” and its possible origins at least 12,000 years ago to likely 30,000 years ago or older.    “In archaeology and anthropology, the term excarnation (also known as defleshing) refers to the practice of removing the flesh and organs of the dead before burial, leaving only the bones. Excarnation may be precipitated through natural means, involving leaving a body exposed for animals to scavenge, or it may be purposefully undertaken by butchering the corpse by hand. Practices making use of natural processes for excarnation are the Tibetan sky burialComanche platform burials, and traditional Zoroastrian funerals (see Tower of Silence).  Some Native American groups in the southeastern portion of North America practised deliberate excarnation in protohistoric times. Archaeologists believe that in this practice, people typically left the body exposed on a woven litter or altar.” >

D. E-KUR, ARATTA From Artak Movsisyan THE SACRED HIGHLANDS Armenia in the Spiritual Geography of the Ancient Near East << Sumerians had in their memory that temple of Gods was E-KUR literarely ” mountain-temple”.was situated as Aratta in Northern part of Sumer, toward Armenia.In Sumerian epic Aratta has the honor of being called the “land of the divine holy law”112. “The divine sacred laws” (in Sumerian – me) is understood not only as rules, but also as the mighty, sacred forces which governed the universe and all spheres of the divine and human reality. For that reason it is suggested that the Sumerian “me” be translated as “essence, being”113. The lord of “the divine sacred laws”, according to Sumer-Akkadian mythology, was Haya (Enki), the wisest of the gods, whose cult center, as mentioned earlier, is connected with the Armenian Highlands.
In Mesopotamian literary accounts, major creation events took place in the Armenian sacred Highlands, where the sacred laws governing the universe, as well as the mysteries of immortality and wisdom were kept, and where not just ordinary mortals, but a chosen people lived. The divine holy law (“me”) which ruled the universe was kept in Abzu, and in the Sumerian epic Aratta is referred to as the “land of the divine holy law”, the earliest reference to date to a state in the Armenian Highlands (see fn. 112 and Appendix A). .>>

E.Door, doorway In different religions, door and doorway appear as the passage of humans to Underworld, the World of deads. From On the Origins of the Alphabet by Brian R. Pellar San Diego, California https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?zx=5altn8zeq797#inbox?projector=1 << Thus, it is no surprise that the Gemini/candle and candle-like glyphs in Egyptian Hieroglyphics depict such words as “The great door of heaven,” “The great gate,” “The door of sunrise, the last door of the Duat,” “Door,” “Gateway,” etc. See Figure 9. A. Hieroglyph used in words for “Door,” “Gateway,” “Great Door of Heaven,” “The door of sunrise, the last door in the Tuat” (Budge 1978: 654–655).D. Hieroglyph for “door, gateway” (Gardiner 1957: 496). In terms of the Gemini Candle/gate symbolizing a vessel that carries the sun/flame/light, the importance of the link between these Egyptian shapes/words, the Hieroglyph “p,” , the Phoenician shape of heth, , and the Chinese word/shape for “sun,” 日 (ri), cannot be overestimated. Furthermore, and more importantly, Wei noted that the Phoenician/Hebrew letter heth is “similar to the Chinese OB glyphs which are the original forms of the word hu (*ga?) 户 (DEZ: 242), meaning ‘door’, ‘gate’, ‘house,’” (Wei 1999: 26). She also links heth/geng to the Sumerian glyphs (gan), meaning “enclosure” (Wei 1999: 27).>> And I will add, sumerian signs https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Ga2

and Ku

(same as Phoenician/hebrew Heth),

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the same shape as Gobekli Tepe http://www.saradistribution.com/foto7/xirabreshk29.jpg

Porthole stone Piatra de hublou

From Göbekli Tepe Shamans and their Cosmic Symbols – Part I Symbolic Architecture https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/g-bekli-tepe-shamans-and-their-cosmic-symbols-part-i-005175?fbclid=IwAR08wQwSvqdsN0P-GHaMn5Xlyuvr5KVUH4E8gPF5kx1B7Q-GV2EgrW4btEM <<There are two central pillars in Göbeklitepe temples. There is question on if we define these two pillars as “The Dual Divinity,” in that they should be the “celestial parents” and “male and female principles” as well. In my opinion they were for the high-priests or head-shamans of Göbekli Tepe temples. In Sumerian mythology, sun god Utu stands between two columns which symbolize a gate; and the symbols are the sky and the earth.>>

The Sumerian deity, Utu

Göbekli Tepe’den çantalar

February 12, 2021

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Bu konuya daha önce de saldırdım ama bu sefer daha derine ineceğim. Çünkü dünyanın bazı eski yerlerinde bu çantaların tasvir edildiği onlarca ve düzinelerce eserin resmini buldum. Aslında kaç tane olduğunu bulmak beni şok etti.

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Kökenleri, rolleri ve önemi hakkındaki fikrim ve açıklamamın bana ait bir yenilik olamayacağını anladım. Hiçbir şey, bu beni üzmüyor. Başkaları tarafından sunulan açıklamalar nispeten yüzeyseldir, çok derinlemesine belgelenmemiş veya tutarlı değildir. Bu çantaların eserler üzerinde tasvir edildiği onlarca görseli görebileceğiniz yerler: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

Bir şey açıktır ve çoğu insan bu konuda hemfikirdir, yani çantaların ne içerebileceği; İlk eserden: << Peki Tanrılar “çantalarında” ne taşıdı? Manevi bilgiyi taşıdılar >> içinde http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ söyle: << Göbekli Tepe sitesini aynı zamanda bir eğitim mabedi olarak da yorumlayabiliriz, burada (daha sonraki kültürlerin ifadelerine inanırsak) medenileştirme becerilerinin kasıtlı olarak insanlığa tanıtılmış olabileceği. Aynı bakış açısının bazı kültürlerde hayatta kalan mitlerde ifade edildiğini görüyoruz. >> Alıntı yapılan ikinci makaleden: << Diğer şeylerin yanı sıra Akbaba Taşı’nı gösteriyor. Dünyanın çeşitli halklarının mitolojisinde bu tür “çantalar”, insanlığa İlim veren Tanrıların elinde tasvir edilmiştir. Dolayısıyla, “el çantaları” Bilgi giriş veya aktarım sürecini sembolize eder. >> Kesinlikle katılıyorum. Sonra şöyle diyor: << Bu, gün batımının veya güneşin doğuşunun grafik temsili olarak yorumlanan Akbaba Taşının üst kısmındaki kendine özgü “el çantaları” ile sembolize ediliyor. … Sütunun üst kısmındaki özel “el çantaları” ekinoks ve / veya gündönümü günlerini gösterir. >> Hiç katılmadığım bir konu; – neden bazı çantalar, birkaç yüz yıl önce bile tam olarak ustalaşmamış karmaşık astronomik olaylarla ilişkilendirilsin? – Çantalar Göbekli Tepe’nin yeri ve zamanı için geçerli olan belirli bağlaçlarla veya astronomik konfigürasyonlarla ilgiliyse, başka yer ve dönemlerde varlıkları nasıl açıklanıyor? =========== ŞU DEVLETE CESARET EDİYORUM: ========= SAĞLANAMAYACAK VE BU ANINDA, İŞARETİN EŞSİZ BİR KÖKENİ DESTEKLENEMEZ. UYGARLIKLAR ARASINDAKİ DOĞRUDAN BİR İLETİŞİM OLMAMAKTADIR, BUNLAR ARASINDA BİR KÜLTÜR AKTARIMI “OSMOSİS” OLABİLİR. Aşağıdaki ifadenin (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger) olabildiğince doğru olduğu göz önüne alındığında, << MÖ 10. ve 9. binyıllarda tüm görünüşlere göre, Dicle ve Fırat. Bu sistemin içeriği kesinlikle bizim için bilinmiyor, ancak bu uzak zamandaki insanlar için işaret ve sembollerin bir kültürel hafıza deposu biriktirmek için araçlar olarak hizmet ettiği açıktır. >> Bu kültürel hafıza, işaretler ve semboller, 3,500-4,000 IEN proto-yazısının keşfedilmesinden önce Bereketli Hilal’de mevcuttu ve iddia ediyorum ki, bazıları Göbekli Tepe zamanından beri piktografik ikonlar olarak göründü ve önemi kaldı kısmen kolektif hafızada. . Bazıları daha sonra Sümer medeniyetinde bulunacak. Kesinlikle çantalardan bahsetmişken, Sümer proto-kama işaretleri arasında aşağıdakiler var: GA2 işareti: “sepet, kutu, konteyner…”

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sümer işareti GA2 dosyası: /// C: /Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf “Bu çerçeve veya kap işareti, benzer bir sepete veya kutuya, yani GA2 işaretine yeniden yerleştirilir” https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp; ”GA (telaffuz edilen nga, ñá): sepet; ev; kararlı (cf., ñar) [GA2 arkaik frekansı: 125; 5 işaret varyantının birleştirilmesi]. GA (nga, ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 ve ma (3)) ”

DUB işareti: “kil tablet”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html DUB imzala ~ c 𒁾 – Vikisözlük
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URUDU işareti: “ışıklı nesne = bakır”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html URUDU imzala ~ c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (bakır, metal). Ùru’dan (ışıklı nesne), + dù (yapmak, uygulamak, kalıplamak, dökmek için)

TÜM ANLAMLAR BAZI BİLGİLERE İLİŞKİN DEĞER tablet (= yazılı?), Bakır + sepete koyun. Ancak yukarıdaki ikisinin birleşimi olan ve çantanın gerçek anlamını gösteren bir kelimemiz var: edit.elte.hu ›xmlui› bitstreamPDF’den Sümer dilbilgisine giriş – EDIT – ELTE << Proto- Akkad dilindeki semitik gutturals … sümer dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “hazine kutusu” ndan alınan yaklaşık 100.000 idari çivi yazısı tabletinin ilişkisel veritabanı >>

======= GÖBEKLİ TEPE’NİN NE ANLAMI OLDU? ==== Evet, sepet / konteynerin (avcı) toplayıcıları vardı. “Aydınlık bir nesne” biraz düşer, çünkü metaller keşfedilmedi … muhtemelen alüvyonlu altın veya değerli taşlar … “Tablet” anlamı, yazı hala çok uzakta olduğu için, muhtemelen büyülü işaretler! Nereden Kader Tabletinden (efsanevi öğe) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org ›wiki› Tablet_of_Destinies_ (efsanevi … Mezopotamya mitolojisinde, Kaderler Tableti (Sümer: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar Nereden 2015’ten – Yeni İndoloji – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com) ›… << Ancak bu bağlamda, Elam formunun ortak bir kök dub / tup ile bağlantılı olduğunu önerebiliriz – ‘damgalamak, etkilemek’ için. PSD), ‘yığmak, yığın halinde dökmek’ (CG), PIE * stup / saplama / dub- ‘yığın, demet, tutam’ >> “Biriktirmek” gibi bu anlamlar bir toplayıcı toplulukta mantıklıdır. Bilgiye sahip olan ilk tanrıyı (Enlil) bulmaya çalıştım, onu nereden aldı, nereden geldi? Ve benden “onları topladığını” buldum (mitoloji) – Nereden Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org ›wiki› Me_ (mitoloji) << M’ler, ilk olarak Enlil tarafından toplanmış ve daha sonra, bunu yapacak olan Enki’nin korumasına teslim edilmiştir. onları çeşitli Sümer merkezlerine götürür. Pasaj bize, Enlil’in veya avcı-toplayıcıların cennet veya Enlil’den daha üstün herhangi bir tanrı bilgisini kaybetmediğini, ancak insanlığın faydalı bilgisinin muhtemelen binlerce yıldan fazla bir süredir “ölümlüler” tarafından toplandığını gösteriyor) >> === UZUN ARALIK, SÜMER “ME” İLE BENZERLİK ===== – EL ÇANTASI İŞARETİ İLK KEZ GÖBEKLİ TEPE NÜFUSU TARAFINDAN BULUŞTU. – BİLGİNİN İNSANLARLA PAYLAŞILDIĞINI HAYAL EDEN İLK OLDULAR Bu tanrı, kahraman veya uygarlaştırıcı karakter efsanesi, dünyanın farklı yerlerinde ve farklı zamanlarda bağımsız olarak ortaya çıkmış gibi görünüyor. O halde Göbekli Tepe’nin çantalarında tam olarak ne olduğunu sormak anlamsız. Yüksek bir güven ve doğruluk katsayısı ile çantaların ve içindekilerin sembolik olduğunu varsayabiliriz. Bilgi aktarımını sembolize ediyorlardı. Sümerlerde bu bilginin tam olarak ne olduğunu ve ME olarak adlandırıldığını bilirsek, Göbekli Tepe için bu bilginin ne dendiğini bilmiyoruz (ki bu daha sonraki Sümer Me’ye eşdeğerdi) çünkü konuşulan dil hakkında hiçbir şey bilmiyoruz. . Dikkatli! Dilbilimciler, herhangi bir dilin değişebileceğini ve 1000 yıl sonra tamamen yanlış anlaşıldığını, eski dilin kalan yüzdesinin çok küçük olduğunu keşfettiler. Veya bizim durumumuzda, 9.600 ile 3.600 arasında, diyelim ki, 6 x 1000 yıl! Neredem Sumerian Me’den memes, nörolinguistik ve bilgi savaşı 22 Nisan 2007, assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << Sümerler bir dizi Hayatın, inancın, teknolojinin, davranışların ve insan koşullarının her alanını kapsayan kurallar ve düzenlemeler beni aradı. Onlar erken kodlardı, insan algılaması ve kendilerini aktarmak için kodlanmış memlerdi. Nörolinguistik olarak bütün bir popülasyonu programlama girişimiydi. Son derece sosyal öneme sahiplerdi ve Sümer sosyal yaşamının her yönü onlar tarafından düzenleniyordu. Örneğin. fırıncının tapınağa gitmesi (senaryoların veya her neyse [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003] medeniyetin mucidi olan tanrı Enki’nin gözetimine verildiği yer) ve bir me (bir meme, veya daha doğrusu fırın için bir dizi mem). O özellikle, zanaatını nasıl, ne zaman, nerede yapacağıma dair talimatlar içeriyordu. İbadet, devlet, cinsiyet, Sümer yaşamının her yönü benzer şekilde ele alındı. Mitolojilerinin tanrıları beni fethetmek ve en çok sahiplenmek için savaştılar, onları birbirlerinden çalarlardı. O zaman en çok benimle olan tanrı (kral?), Himayesi altında çok sayıda Sümeri bir araya getirebildi (politik olarak konuşuyoruz, ancak bu adamlar kilise ile devletin ayrılması için değildi). Gudea Cylinders’den Ningirsu’ya 50 ME’ye sahip olan Inanna hatırlatıyor: Babası Enlil’in 50 ME verdiği bir savaş tanrısı. Eski Sümer metinlerinden Inanna’nın komşu ülkeleri kazanmak ve birleştirmek için yeterli sayıda ME’ye sahip olması ilginçtir. Böyle bir durum, Inanna’nın ME’lerin eksikliğinden şikayet ettiği ve hatta onları babasından aldığı («Enki ve Dünya Düzeni», «İnanna ve Enki») sonraki yazılı ilahilerin verileriyle keskin bir şekilde çelişir. Ayrıca burada ME’ler ile yapılan seyahatlerden veya onlar için yapılan yolculuklardan bahsedilmiyor. (Emelianov, 2003) Sosyal hayatın menteşeleri kırılırsa, iletişimin pratik olarak yok olduğu ve ilkel bir yaşama geri dönmenin çok kolay olduğu, çağlarının kitle imha silahları olduğum sonucuna varılabilir. Şimdi, Sümerlerin günümüzdekilerden tamamen farklı bir kültür olduğunu söyleyebiliriz (MÖ 3/4000 yıllarından bahsediyoruz), sosyal etkileşimlerinin katı bir şekilde kodlanmış olmasına rağmen embriyonik olduğunu veya hiçbir şeyin gerçekten değişmediğini söyleyebiliriz. tümü… >> O eski zamanların insanları riske girmişlerse ve bilgilerinin kendilerine verilmesini ve bir tanrı tarafından cennetten özgürleştirilmesini beklemek gibi yaramaz bir düşünceye sahip olsalardı, … bu güne kadar bakma riski vardır. ısrarla cennetin güçlerinde.

The handbags from Göbekli Tepe

February 12, 2021

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I have attacked this subject before, but this time I will go deeper. Because I found in some ancient places in the World dozens and dozens of images of artifacts, in which these handbags were depicted. I was shocked to find how many were in fact.

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I found that my idea and explanation of their origin, role and significance cannot be a novelty that belongs to me. Nothing, this does not sadden me. The explanations offered by others are relatively superficial, not too deeply documented or consistent. The places where you can see dozens of images where these bags are depicted on artifacts are: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

One thing is clear, and most people agree on it, namely what the bags could contain; from the first work: << So, what did Gods carry in their “handbags”? They carried spiritual knowledge>> In http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ say: <<We might interpret the Göbekli Tepe site as having also served as an instructional sanctuary, where (if we believe the statements of later cultures) civilizing skills might have been intentionally introduced to humanity. We find this same outlook expressed in myths that survive in some cultures.>> From the second cited paper:<<Among other things it shows the Vulture Stone. In mythology of various peoples of the world such “handbags” were depicted in the hands of Gods who gave Knowledge to humanity. Hence, the “handbags” symbolise the process of Knowledge introduction or transfer.>> Absolutely agree. Then he says: <<This is symbolised by peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the Vulture Stone, which are interpreted as graphic representation of sunset or sunrise. …Peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the pillar indicate equinox and/or solstice days. >> An issue with which I do not agree at all; – why associate some bags with complex astronomical phenomena not fully mastered even just a few hundred years ago? – If the bags are related to certain conjunctions or astronomical configurations valid for the place and time of Gobekli Tepe, how is their presence explained in other places and periods of time? ================= I DARE TO STATE THAT: ========= IT CANNOT BE PROVIDED, AND AS SUCH AT THE MOMENT, A UNIQUE ORIGIN OF THE SIGN CANNOT BE SUPPORTED. IT CANNOT BE ABOUT A DIRECT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS, IN EXCHANGE THERE CAN BE A KIND OF CULTURAL TRANSMISSION “OSMOSIS” BETWEEN THEM. Given that the following statement (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger) is as true as possible, << To all appearances, in the 10th and 9th millennia BC a widespread system of symbols existed in upper reaches of Tigris and Euphrates. Contents of that system are certainly unknown to us, but it is clear that for people of that remote time signs and symbols served as tools to accumulate a store of cultural memory. >> This deposit of cultural memory, signs and symbols existed in the Fertile Crescent before the discovery of proto-writing 3,500-4,000 IEN and I claim some of them have appeared as pictographic icons since the time of Gobekli Tepe, and their significance has remained partially in the collective memory. . Some will be found later in Sumerian civilization. Strictly speaking of bags, we have among the Sumerian proto-wedge signs the following: GA2 sign: “basket, box, container …”

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sumerian sign GA2 file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf  “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”                                                                                                                                                                From  https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp;  ” GA (pronounced nga,ñá): basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants].
GA (nga,ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 and ma(3)) ”

DUB sign: “clay tablet”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign DUB~c 𒁾 – Wiktionary
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Borrowed from Sumerian 𒁾 (dub). NounEdit. 𒁾 (ṭuppu). (clay) tablet · document · letter.

URUDU sign: “luminous object = copper”

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https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign URUDU~c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (copper, metal). From ùru (luminous object), + dù (to make, apply, mould, cast)

ALL THE MEANINGS ARE RELATED TO SOME KNOWLEDGE OF VALUE tablet (= written?), Copper + put in the basket. But we have a word that is a combination of the two above and shows the true meaning of the bag: From edit.elte.hu › xmlui › bitstreamPDF An introduction to the grammar of Sumerian – EDIT – ELTE <<The reduction of Proto-Semitic gutturals in Akkadian at around this … relational database of around 100.000 administrative cuneiform tablets from the … sumerian dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “ treasury box”>>

======= WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DID THE GOBEKLI TEPE HAVE ? ==== Yes, the basket / container had (hunter)-gatherers. A “luminous object” falls a bit, because the metals were not discovered … possibly alluvial gold or precious stones … The meaning “tablet” falls because the writing was still far away, possibly magical signs !? From Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(mythic… In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar From 2015 – New Indology – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com › … <<But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress’. Sum. dub ‘to strew; to heap up, pile, pour’ (PSD), ‘to heap up, pour in piles’ (CG), PIE *stup/stub/dub- ‘heap, bunch, tuft’ >> These meanings like “to pile up” makes sense at a gatherer comunity. I tried to find out the first deity (Enlil) who came into possession of knowledge, where did she get it, where did it come from? And I just found that he “collected them” From Me (mythology) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mythology) <<The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers. The passage shows us that Enlil or the hunter-gatherers did not lose knowledge of heaven or any other deity superior to Enlil, but the useful knowledge of humanity was collected, I add, probably by “mortals”, weighing on over thousands of years) === LONG RANGE, SIMILARITY WITH SUMERIAN “ME” ===== – THE HANDBAG SIGN WAS INVENTED FOR THE FIRST TIME BY THE POPULATION OF GOBEKLI TEPE. – THEY WERE THE FIRST TO IMAGINE THAT KNOWLEDGE IS SHARED TO PEOPLE This myth of a deity, hero, or civilizing character, seems to have appeared independently in different places in the world and at different times in time. Then it is pointless to ask what exactly was in the bags of Gobekli Tepe. We can assume with a high coefficient of confidence and truthfulness that the bags and the contents were symbolic. They symbolized the transmission of knowledge. If in Sumerians we know what exactly this knowledge was and that it was called ME, for Gobekli Tepe we do not know what this knowledge was called, (which was the equivalent of the later Sumerian Me), because we know nothing about the spoken language. Careful! Linguists have found that any language is subject to change and after 1000 years it becomes completely misunderstood, the remaining percentage of the old language being very small. Or in our case, between 9,600 and 3,600, let’s say, it’s 6 x 1000 years!

From Sumerian Me, memes, neurolinguistics and information warfare April 22, 2007 by assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << The Sumerians developed a set of rules and regulations called me that encompassed every aspect of life, belief, technology, behaviour and human conditions. They were early code, memes codified for human perusal and to pass themselves on. It was an attempt to neurolinguistically program a whole population. They were of utmost social importance and every aspect of Sumerian social life was regulated by them. E.g. the baker was required to go to the temple (where the scripts, or whatever they were [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], were placed in the custody of the god Enki, inventor of civilization) and obtain a me (a meme, or more properly a set of memes) for bakery. That particular me included instruction on how, when, where to perform his craft. Worship, state, sex, every aspect of Sumerian life were treated similarly. The gods of their mythology waged wars in order to conquer and possess the most me, stealing them from each other. The god (king?) with the most me was then able to aggregate (we’re talking politically, but those guys weren’t for the separation of church and state) a larger number of Sumers under his or her aegis. Inanna, owning 50 ME’s, reminds Ningirsu from Gudea Cylinders: she is a deity of war to whom her father Enlil gives 50 ME’s. It is curious that Inanna of the Old Sumerian texts has a sufficient number of ME’s to win and unite neighbouring countries. Such state of affairs contradicts sharply the data of later written hymns in which Inanna complains about the shortage of ME’s and even takes them from her father («Enki and the World Order», «Inanna and Enki»). Also we do not find here any mention of travels with ME’s or journeys for them. (Emelianov, 2003) One could infer that me were the weapons of mass destructions of their age, when communication was practically inexistent and regression to a primitive life very easy, if the hinges of social life cracked. Now, we can say that the Sumerians were a totally different culture from those of today (we’re talking about 3/4000 years BCE), that their social interactions were embryonic although rigidly codified, or we can say that nothing has really changed at all… >>

If the people of those ancient times had risked and had the naughty idea of ​​waiting for their knowledge to be given to them ready and freed from heaven by some deity,…. there is a risk that to this day they will stare insistently at the strengths of heaven.

Gentutele de la Göbekli Tepe

February 11, 2021

Din QuoraWhat’s your best theory on the handbags of the ancients? Now they’ve appeared in Gobekli Tepe, which is 11k years o

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Am mai atacat acest subiect, insa de aceasta data voi merge mai in profunzime. Am gasit in niste site-uri zeci si zeci de imagini a unor artefacte din lumea intreaga, in care erau figurate in antichitate aceste gentute de mana. Am fost socat/zguduit sa constat ca au fost enorm de multe.

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Imaginea, din The mystery handbag of the Gods: Depicted in Sumer, America, and Göbekli Tepe | Ancient Code https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/480829697706189892/

Am constatat ca ideea si explicatia mea privind originea, rolul si semnificatia lor nu poate constitui o noutate care sa-mi apartina. Nui nimic. acest fapt nu ma intristeaza. Explicatiile oferite de altii sunt relativ superficiale nu prea adanc documentate ori consistente. Locurile unde puteti vedea zeci de imagini unde sunt figurate pe artefacte aceste gentute sunt: What did Gods carry in their “handbags”?  Dato Gomarteli (Ukraine, Georgia) https://rgdn.info/en/chto_nesut_bogi_v_sumochkah Göbekli Tepe: what the Potbelly Hill keeps mum about. A history and astronomy research https://rgdn.info/en/gbekli-tepe._o_chm_molchit_puzatyy_holm._istoriko-astronomicheskoe_issledovanie

Un lucru este lamurit, si asupra acestuia majoritatea sunt de acord si anume ce contin gentutele; din prima lucrare: << So, what did Gods carry in their “handbags”? They carried spiritual knowledge>> Lb.Rom.: <<Asa deci, ce duc Zeii in gentile lor de mana? Ei duc cunostinte spirituale.>>

In http://lost-origins.com/perspectives-on-ancient-handbag-images/ spune: <<We might interpret the Göbekli Tepe site as having also served as an instructional sanctuary, where (if we believe the statements of later cultures) civilizing skills might have been intentionally introduced to humanity. We find this same outlook expressed in myths that survive in some cultures.>> Lb.Rom.: <<Am putea interpreta site-ul Göbekli Tepe servind ca un sanctuar instructiv, unde (dacă credem declarațiile culturilor ulterioare) abilitățile civilizatoare ar fi putut fi introduse intenționat umanității. Aceeași perspectivă o găsim exprimată în mituri care supraviețuiesc în unele culturi. >>

Din a doua lucrare citata: <<Among other things it shows the Vulture Stone. In mythology of various peoples of the world such “handbags” were depicted in the hands of Gods who gave Knowledge to humanity. Hence, the “handbags” symbolise the process of Knowledge introduction or transfer.>> , Lb.Rom.: <<Printre altele arată Piatra Vulturului. În mitologia diferitelor popoare ale lumii, astfel de „genți de mână” au fost descrise în mâinile zeilor care au dat cunoașterea umanității. Prin urmare, „gențile de mână” simbolizează procesul de introducere sau transfer al cunoștințelor >> Absolut de acord. Apoi zice : <<This is symbolised by peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the Vulture Stone, which are interpreted as graphic representation of sunset or sunrise. …Peculiar “handbags” in the upper section of the pillar indicate equinox and/or solstice days. >> Lb.Rom.: << Acest lucru este simbolizat de „genți de mână” deosebite în secțiunea superioară a Pietrei Vulturului, care sunt interpretate ca reprezentare grafică a apusului sau a răsăritului. … „Gențile de mână” specifice în secțiunea superioară a stâlpului indică zilele de echinocțiu și / sau solstițiu. >> Chestiune cu care nu sunt deloc de acord; – de ce sa asociezi niste gentute cu fenomene astronomice complexe nu pe deplin stapanite chiar numai cateva sute de ani in urma ? – Daca gentutele sunt legate de anumite conjunctii ori configuratii astronomice valabile pentru locul si timpul lui Gobekli Tepe, cum se explica prezenta lor in alte locuri si perioade de timp ? ================= EU AFIRM CA : =========

NU SE POATE DEMONSTRA, SI CA ATARE PE MOMENT NU SE POATE SUSTINE O ORIGINE UNICA A SEMNULUI. NU POATE FI VORBA DE O COMUNICARE DIRECTA INTRE CIVILIZATII, IN SCHIMB POATE EXISTA UN GEN DE TRANSMISIE CULTURALA “OSMOZA” INTRE ELE.

Avand in vedere ca urmatoarea afirmatie este cat se poate de adevarata, << To all appearances, in the 10th and 9th millennia BC a widespread system of symbols existed in upper reaches of Tigris and Euphrates. Contents of that system are certainly unknown to us, but it is clear that for people of that remote time signs and symbols served as tools to accumulate a store of cultural memory. >> Lb.Rom.: << Dupa toate aparentele, in mileniile al 10-lea si al 9lea IEN a existat un sistem raspandit de simboluri in partea superioara a Tigrisului si a Eufratului. Conținutul acestui sistem este cu siguranță necunoscut pentru noi, dar este clar că pentru oamenii din acea perioadă îndepărtată semnele și simbolurile au servit ca instrumente pentru a acumula un depozit de memorie culturală.>> (Klaus Schmidt. Sie bauten die ersten Tempel. Das rätselhafte Heiligtum der Steinzeitjäger/ Au construit primele temple. Sanctuarul enigmatic al vânătorilor din epoca de piatră)

Acest depozit de memorie culturala, semnele si simbolurile au existat in Semiluna Fertila inainte de descoperirea proto-scrierii 3.500-4.000 IEN si sustin eu unele dintre ele au aparut ca icoane pictograme inca din timpurile Gobekli Tepe, iar semnificatia lor a ramas partial in memoria colectiva. O parte se vor regasi mai tarziu la civilizatia sumeriana. Strict vorbnd de gentute, avem printre semnele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme urmatoarele:

Semnul GA2: “cos, cutie, container…”    

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Patrick C. Ryan “Proto-Language” sumerian sign GA2 file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf  “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”                                                                                                                                                                From  https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf&nbsp;  ” GA (pronounced nga,ñá): basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants].
GA (nga,ñá): (cf., ñál, ñar, ñe26 and ma(3)) ”

 Semnul DUB:”tablita,de lut”

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign DUB~c 𒁾 – Wiktionary
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Borrowed from Sumerian 𒁾 (dub). NounEdit. 𒁾 (ṭuppu). (clay) tablet · document · letter.

Semnul URUDU:”obiect luminos=cupru”

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign URUDU~c https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1280939229103742978 urudu, uruda, urud (copper, metal). From ùru (luminous object), + dù (to make, apply, mould, cast)

TOATE SEMNIFICATIILE AU LEGATURA CU NISTE CUNOSTINTE DE VALOARE tablita(=scris?), cupru+ puse in cos. Dar avem un cuvant care este o combinatie a doua din cele de sus si arata adevarata semnificatie a gentutei: Din edit.elte.hu › xmlui › bitstreamPDF An introduction to the grammar of Sumerian – EDIT – ELTE <<The reduction of Proto-Semitic gutturals in Akkadian at around this … relational database of around 100.000 administrative cuneiform tablets from the … sumerian dub-šen ➙ tupšinnu “ treasury box”>>

======= CE SEMNIFICATIE O FI AVUT GENTUTA LA GOBEKLI TEPE !? ====

Da, cos/container aveau culegator-vanatorii. Obiect stralucitor cam cade, pentru ca metalele nu erau descoperite..eventual aur aluvionar sau pietre pretioase… Semnificatia de origine “tablita” cade intrucat scrisul era inca departe, eventual semne magice !?

Din Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(mythic… In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtar Din 2015 – New Indology – bloggernew-indology.blogspot.com › … But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress’. Sum. dub ‘to strew; to heap up, pile, pour’ (PSD), ‘to heap up, pour in piles’ (CG), PIE *stup/stub/dub- ‘heap, bunch, tuft’ Lb.Rom. << Dar în acest context putem propune ca forma elamită să fie legată de o rădăcină comună dub / tup- „a ștampila, a impresiona”. Sum. dub ‘a arunca; a îngrămădi, a turna (PSD), a „a îngrămădi, a turna în grămezi” (CG), PIE * stup / stub / dub- „grămadă, smoc”>>

Aceasta semnificatie gen “a ingramadi”are sens. Am incercat sa aflu prima zeitate (Enlil) care a intrat in posesia cunostintelor, de unde le-a avut, de unde provin? Si am gasit doar ca “le-a colectat” Me (mythology) – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mythology) <<The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers >> Lb.Rom. : << ME-urile au fost inițial colectate de Enlil și apoi predate în tutela lui Enki, care urma să le distribuie diferitelor centre sumeriene >> Pasajul ne arata ca lui Enlil ori culegator-vanatorilor nu le-au picat cunostintele din cer ori de la vre-o alta zeitate superioara lui Enlil ci cunostintele utile ale umanitatii au fost colectate (adaug eu, probabil de “muritori”, cu greutate pe parcursul a mii de ani)

=== BATAIE LUNGA, SIMILARITATE CU “ME” SUMERIAN =====

SEMNUL GENTUTA A FOST INVENTAT PENTRU PRIMA DATA DE POPULATIA GOBEKLI TEPE. EI AU FOST PRIMII CARE AU IMAGINAT CA CUNOSTINTELE SUNT IMPARTITE OAMENILOR

Acest mit al unei zeitati, erou, sau personaj civilizator, pare ca a aparut independent in diferite locuri in lume si diferite momente in timp. Apoi este lipsit de sens sa ne intrebam ce era exact in gentutele de la Gobekli Tepe. Putem presupune cu un mare coeficient de incredere si veridicitate ca gentutele si continul erau simbolice. Simbolizau transmiterea cunostintelor. Daca la sumerieni stim ce erau exact aceste cunostinte si ca se numeau ME, pentru Gobekli Tepe nu stim cum se numeau aceste cunostinte, (care era echivalentul mai tarziului sumerian Me), pentru ca nu stim nimic despre limba vorbita. Atentie! Lingvistii au constatat ca orice limba este supusa schimbarii si dupa 1000 de ani devine complet neinteleasa, procentul ramas din vechea limba fiind foarte mic. Ori in cazul nostru, intre 9.600 si 3.600 sa zicem, sunt 6 x 1000 de ani !

Din Sumerian Me, memes, neurolinguistics and information warfare April 22, 2007 by assuefazione https://assuefazione.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/sumerian-me-memes-and-neurolinguistics/ << The Sumerians developed a set of rules and regulations called me that encompassed every aspect of life, belief, technology, behaviour and human conditions. They were early code, memes codified for human perusal and to pass themselves on. It was an attempt to neurolinguistically program a whole population. They were of utmost social importance and every aspect of Sumerian social life was regulated by them. E.g. the baker was required to go to the temple (where the scripts, or whatever they were [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], were placed in the custody of the god Enki, inventor of civilization) and obtain a me (a meme, or more properly a set of memes) for bakery. That particular me included instruction on how, when, where to perform his craft. Worship, state, sex, every aspect of Sumerian life were treated similarly. The gods of their mythology waged wars in order to conquer and possess the most me, stealing them from each other. The god (king?) with the most me was then able to aggregate (we’re talking politically, but those guys weren’t for the separation of church and state) a larger number of Sumers under his or her aegis.

Inanna, owning 50 ME’s, reminds Ningirsu from Gudea Cylinders: she is a deity of war to whom her father Enlil gives 50 ME’s. It is curious that Inanna of the Old Sumerian texts has a sufficient number of ME’s to win and unite neighbouring countries. Such state of affairs contradicts sharply the data of later written hymns in which Inanna complains about the shortage of ME’s and even takes them from her father («Enki and the World Order», «Inanna and Enki»). Also we do not find here any mention of travels with ME’s or journeys for them. (Emelianov, 2003)

One could infer that me were the weapons of mass destructions of their age, when communication was practically inexistent and regression to a primitive life very easy, if the hinges of social life cracked. Now, we can say that the Sumerians were a totally different culture from those of today (we’re talking about 3/4000 years BCE), that their social interactions were embryonic although rigidly codified, or we can say that nothing has really changed at all… >> Lb.Rom.: << Sumerienii au dezvoltat un set de reguli și reglementări numite ME care cuprindea fiecare aspect al vieții, credinței, tehnologiei, comportamentului și condiției umane. Au fost coduri timpurii, meme codificate pentru examinarea umană și pentru a se transmite mai departe. A fost o încercare de a programa neurolingvistic o întreagă populație. Aveau o importanță socială extremă și fiecare aspect al vieții sociale sumeriene era reglementat de ele. De exemplu. brutarului i s-a cerut să meargă la templu (unde scenariile sau orice altceva au fost acestea [Klein, 1997; Emelianov, 2003], au fost plasate în custodia zeului Enki, inventatorul civilizației) și a obținut un ME (un me sau mai corect un set de meme) pentru panificație. Acel ME avea incluse instrucțiuni speciale despre cum, când, unde să-și desfășoare meseria. Închinarea, starea, sexul, fiecare aspect al vieții sumeriene au fost tratate în mod similar. Zeii mitologiei lor au purtat războaie pentru a cuceri și a poseda cel mai mult, furându-i unul de celălalt. Zeul (regele?) cu cele mai multe ME a fost capabil să adune (vorbim politic, dar tipii aceia nu erau pentru separarea bisericii de stat) un număr mai mare de sumerieni sub egida sa. Inanna, care deține 50 de ME, îi amintește lui Ningirsu de la Gudea Cylinders: este o zeitate de război căreia tatăl ei Enlil îi dă 50 de ME. Este curios că textele lui Inanna din vechile sumeriene au un număr suficient de ME pentru a câștiga și uni țările vecine. O astfel de stare de fapt contrazice aspru datele imnurilor scrise ulterior, în care Inanna se plânge de lipsa ME și le ia chiar de la tatăl ei («Enki și Ordinea Mondială», «Inanna și Enki»). De asemenea, nu găsim aici nicio mențiune despre călătoriile cu ME sau călătoriile pentru aceștia. (Emelianov, 2003) S-ar putea deduce că ME erau armele distrugerilor în masă ale epocii lor, când comunicarea era practic inexistentă și regresia către o viață primitivă foarte ușoară, dacă balamalele vieții sociale se rupeau. Acum, putem spune că sumerienii au fost o cultură total diferită de cea de astăzi (vorbim despre 3/4000 de ani î.Hr.), că interacțiunile lor sociale au fost embrionare, deși rigid codificate, sau putem spune că nimic nu s-a schimbat cu adevărat la toate … >>

Daca oamenii din acele timpuri vechi ar fi riscat si ar fi avut ideea nastrusnica sa astepte ca cunostintele sa le fie date de-a gata si slobozite din cer de vre-o divinitate, ….. exista riscul ca pana in ziua de azi sa se holbeze insisteent la tariile cerului.