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Uf…se pare ca in sfarsit le-am dat de capat tablitelor de la Tartaria !

November 23, 2019

Studiind de mult timp principalele sisteme de scriere (de cca. 12 ani) am realizat ca semnele de pe tablite i-mi sant, mi-au devenit de fapt, foarte familiare. In sensul ca toate semnele de pe toate cele trei tablite se regasesc atat in aria sumeriana cat si in cea Egeeana. Am reusit diferite interpretari in acest sens, apropiindu-ma progresiv de o presupusa si dorita interpretare totala si unitara.                                                                     Din pacate, (desi este totodata stimulator), tablitele au fost un fel de fata morgana, cu imaginea neclara, dar in schimb devenind din ce in ce mai clara.                                                         Desi am constientizat faptul ca pe tablita rotunda am putea avea litere, mult timp am ramas limitat la ideea ca doar jumatatea de sus a tablitei rotunde contine scris adevaratLa o asemenea cantonare si limitare a contribuit faptul ca gandeam ca doar jumatatea de sus contine scris adevarat fiind acoperita (!?).                                                   Nici nu santem siguri ca “scriitorul” a avut in mod cert o asemenea intentie. Interesant este faptul ca nu demult am trecut foarte aproape de aceasta interpretare finala. In alfabetele arhaice grecesti folosite inainte de standardizare, semnul D s-a folosit pentru litera D intr-o parte si pentru litera R in alta parte.

Chiar si in aceasta faza finala a cercetarii mele, sant suficient de modest si sa nu am pretentia de a oferi o interpretare ori citire unica, ultimativa si adevarata. Daca ati observat, in decursul timpului am facut multe sondari, testari, incercari de citire.    ==============================================                                                                  Din https://www.wikiwand.com/en/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet

Image result for "archaic greek alphabets"                                                                     ***************************                                                                                                      Daca semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde sant:                                                  H, D     (Heta/Eta-Rho)                                                                                                                            Din  Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              si semnele D D o c/u, din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html                                                                                                                                                                                             Atunci putem avea: din albaneza:    herë    pronuntie, heră                                                                                 HeRë   RRok, care este:                                                                                                                            Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=hera                                                     herë, hera: “time”/”timp” ;                                                                                                                      Rrok :  Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=rrok                                                   rrok: “snatch, grasp, gripe, grip, catch” =”a smulge, prinde, intelege“, unde grasp, “prinde” are atat in engleza cat si in romana sensul fizic de a prinde,cuprinde, cat si a intelege, deci “intelege timpul“,                                                                                                  Apoi, din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=hera%20%20rrok  “time to catch up” herë  rrok : “to catch up the time” :” a prinde timpul”                                                                  ————————————————-                                                                                                    Iar daca semnul +++++ este Si (greaca Xi ?).                                                                               Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=si : Si: “as, like,for, such as”‘ :”pentru”  së:”the”, articolul hotarat  https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=s%C3%AB                                                                                                                                                                       iar “here si rrok”:”as/for grasp the time“=”pentru a intelege timpul“, caz in care este vorba de un calendar.                                                                                                                                          Daca semnul +++++ semnifica cifra 50, atunci am putea avea:” a prins timp 50″ (ani), cam cat s-a constatat varsta decedatei a carei oase au fost gasite langa tablite !

Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#sq/en/hera%20se%20rrok                                                     hera se rrok hera se rrok:”more than ever”:”mai mult (timp) ca niciodata” cam tot pe acolo, exprimand oricum o varsta inaintata in trecut/acele timpuri.                                      —————————————————–                                                                                                  In sfertul din stanga-jos,                                                                                                                Din    http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html                 Image result for moonlight tartaria     avem semnele:                                       Q,  GG si jos Z. In linear A/B un semn asemanator aceluia “arc cu sageata” era folosit pentru Ko/Ku                                                                                                                                     Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=ku Ku:”where, wherein, whither, wherever, whereabouts”/”unde“,                                                 apoi GG:”geg/GHEG“?                                                                           https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=zi Zi:”mourning”/”jelire”                                                                                                                    Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=ze    Ze:”Vox”/”voce”                                                                                                                                   Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=ku%20geg%20zi                                       “Ku geg zi“::”that black geg”, de fapt zi nu este nici-un fel de negru, ci jelire                          Ku Gheg Zi :”unde jeleste/este jelit Gheg-ul”?                                                                                  ————————————————-                                                                                                           In sfertul din dreapta jos,                                                                                                             Din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html                                                                                                  Avem in semnul din stanga, cladite de sus in jos semnele: E, G, c/K  https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=e           E:”of/”din,al”                                                                                                                                      GK: GeK:”gegë  geg”?

Din Gheg Albanian – Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Gheg_Albaniann   <<Gheg Albanian (also spelled Geg Albanian; Gheg Albanian: gegnisht, Standard Albanian: gegë or gegërisht) is one of the two major varieties of Albanian. The other is Tosk on which Standard Albanian is based.>>                                                                            Din  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gheg_Albanian

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E gek:” de-al lui Gheg. Gugu”                                                                                                                      Din   https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#sq/en/e%20geg%C3%AB            e  gegë :”of gege”

Din Fustanella – Eupedia Forum https://www.eupedia.com › forum › threads › 25617-Fustanella › page3                                                                                                                       << Albanians were called Arvanite by Greeks in the middle ages. …. 11 geg also gugu in moesia also gygy in lydia comes from achaic gag or aga >>

————————————————————                                                                                             Semnul din dreapta are cladite de sus in jos semnele K. L, D           https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=ku Ku:”where”/”unde”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=le  lë :”leave”, “pleaca, paraseste”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Din https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=dhe                                                    dhe:”and”/”si”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ku le dhe :’si unde pleaca“?                                                                                https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=ku%20le%20dhe                                          Ku le dhe “”and where let” :”si unde lasi

e gek ku le dhe:” of geg? where let and” :”and where let of geg/gegs” =”si unde lasi de-ai geg-ilor”?                                                                                                                                                  Din https://translate.google.com/? https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=dhi                                                 Dhi:”goat”/”capra

Din  https://translate.google.com/? https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#view=home&op=translate&sl=sq&tl=en&text=e%20gek%20ku%20le%20dhi             e gek ku le dhi: “of a goat that let go” ? =”unul de-al caprelor/ geg/get/goth care ne lasa/se duce” ??                                                                                                                                     ——————————————————                                                                                                    Acuma se pune problema cine ar fi putut scrie tablitele.  Apar doua ipoteze mari si late: A. Vlassa sau cineva din apropiere                                                                                                    B. Un nativ albanez                                        ===================================================                                                       Pentru prima sansele sant foarte mici, cu toate caVlassa, pare intradevar a fi fost Vlah (Vlassa este o forma a lui Vlah) deoarece:                                                                                         – nu il vad atat de pregatit sa stie sa foloseasca semne asemanatoare cu cele sumeriene si chiar nici altele                                                                                                                                       – tablitele arata a fi efectiv vechi, adica au stat in pamant ani si ani de zile                             – banuiesc ca trebuia sa fi sustinut ca sant facute de daci sau vlahi si nu de sumerieni Pentru a doua ipoteza, ori                                                                                                                        – este vorba de un gen de calendar rural, dar atunci restul textului (cel putin in forma gasita de mine) nu este in concordanta                                                                                            – ori este vorba de o ceremonie funerara, caz in care oasele gasite in imediata proximitate pe de o parte vin sa sustina aceasta ipoteza, iar pe de alta intra in contradictie. Intrucat varsta lor este determinata (C14) la cca. 5.000 B.C., cand nu era nici scriere, nici albanezi, eventual doar o forma de pelasgi.                                 ===============================                                                                                                      La o incercare de apropiere folosind limba greaca, sau alte ramuri I.Europene, se pare ca pot extrage un continut relativ inchegat , dar se schimba partial topica, ramanand se pare un continut religios si sacru, ofranda cu laitmotivul “capra”. De pilda:                             Hera(s); Ed,Ede DiDOU: “ HERA,Doamn(ei) ; Ied/Mananca/sa dai                                           ? H(i)era:” obiecte sacre/parafernalia ?                                                                                               Pentru jumatatea inferioara in stanga, Din literele Q GG Z :                                                          KuG-Ga. KuGa, Kaga ; Za,Ze : “bunic, Stramos”,”ofranda,Sacru“? ; Zeu

Din Indo European Etymology – Scribd https://www.scribd.com › document › Indo-European-Etymology                                                                                                                       << Proto IndoEuropean roots and their derivatives in several … alalkein; elkas, alkas alkaqw; alkar raksati ‘nemus sacrum‘ ‘protecti’, …..kaga ‘dens‘ …>>

Din Dacian Language – Romanian History and Culture https://www.romanianhistoryandculture.com › dacianlanguage                                    << KAGA: un important cuvânt dacic -37 kb …… The word καγα occurs twice, in ISM II 36 and in ISM II 138, with the meaning sacrum.>>

Din The Origin of Cuprum, Bakar and Var  science.org.ge › old › moambe › Hlebec by B Hlebec                                                                                                                                                      <<. ….. PIE *h2euh2os > Hittite huhhas, Lith. kuga ‘grandfather‘,>>

Din Proto-Indo-European Kinship – jstor   https://www.jstor.org › stable   by P Friedrich – ‎1966 – ‎<<kinship from the reconstructed stages of Proto-IndoEuropean (PIE) and. Common Slavic ….. Kurylowicz (1935: 74) has argued that the root began with a Pre-Proto-Indo– …… parent’s father (Hittite huhhas), to the mother’s father (Lycian xuga).>>

Pentru jumatatea inf. dreapta din grupurile de litere E,U,G/E,G,u/s in semnul din stanga si A/E G S in semnul din dreapta:                                                                                                     EGuEGeaS, Aegis. aigis, aigos : “Eu (sant)  Aigai(on),Egeean, (scut, caprari ?

Din A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Spanish …  https://books.google.ro › books                                                                                                                                                    <<efusivo, va a. effusive; efuso, sa a. effused. égida z egida f. aegis. [L. aegis, aegidis: id. <Gk. aigis: goatskin, a shield of skin <aix, aigos: goat. See *aig– in App.>> . ======================================= 

Am putea avea: HP  R o o/c  =                                                                         EPi RRoo   , unde RR=Rho, “R rotacizat”,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Din Song of Genesis 1 | Page 2 | Religious Forums https://www.religiousforums.com › … › << Flowings down a mountain are called streams or rivers in English. … curiosity, what background do you have in linguistics or Biblical studies? … of air ‘, it’s cognate in Gk is ῥόῳ (Rhoo) meaning ‘stream, flow of water, current’ .>>                                             Atentie, avem un gen de liniuta in interiorul primului semn D, o fi un “i“?

EPIRROO, EPIROS, (EPEIROS/ EPIROT) : “pe/peste- Rau” , sau RIVERan/vecin ?                                                                                                                                                                                          Din https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Epirus#LatinFrom Latin Ēpīrus, from Ancient Greek Ἤπειρος (Ḗpeirosmainland)

Din https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pellg#Albanian                                                                          From Old Albanian pellëg, borrowed from Ancient Greek πέλαγος (pélagossea)

Din  Basil Chulev Pelasgi/Balasgi, Belasgians (Pelasgians/Pelasgi/Pelasti/Pelišti) – the Archaic Mythical Pelasgo/Stork-people from Macedonia https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?zx=5altn8zeq797#inbox/FMfcgxwGBmqTMLvxLDscWTcJhsrTfQKn?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1                                                                                                                <<  Homer also speaks of Epirus as a chief abode
of the Pelasgoi; for Achilles addresses Ze(us) as “Dodonai Pelasgike” (i.e. „Dodonan Pelasgoi‟).11                                                                                                           ………….             They were in Ipeiros (Epirus) too, a land abounding with water brooks, with lovely mountains, and lovelier valleys, and at length settled, and erected themselves lasting habitations in the sacred neighborhood of Dodona, where the first oracle known to history flourished under the protection of the Pelasgian Zeus.      …………..                                   Macedonia, with the important difference that the Middle Bronze period, which in Central Macedonia was characterized by incised ware with Cycladic affinities, was characterized in Chalcidice by Minyan, southern in character, but adapted to local Early Bronze forms as well.

Apropos de stork-people, poporul cocostarc                                                                                   ARDeal:                                                                                                                                                     lat. ARDEA,  Ancient Greek ἐρῳδιός (erōidiós, :”heron”=starc si ARDEUS:                                                                                                                                                                                                      Din A New Universal Etymological and Pronouncing Dictionary of … https://books.google.ro › books                                                                                         (ardeusLat.) Hot; burning; fiery; fierce; vehement; having the appearance or quality of fire; passionate; affectionate

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/arduus    loftyhighsteeptallelevated                               “inalt,impadurit”

        ================================================================                     Semnele de pe celelalte tablite sustin si au legatura cu contextul cultic, insa apartin unor perioade si civilizatii extrem de indepartate.Ma refer la cele Egeeana si chiar mai departe la cea mama cea sumeriana.                                     *******************************************

Va intreb acuma, cum este posibil ca atatia savanti de renume, din toate domeniile de la proto-scriere, ma refer la scrierea proto-cuneiforma, pana la lingvisti si arheologi s-au lasat pacaliti cu asa-zise semne sumeriene ? Bqa mai mult, majoritatea nici nu au putut macar demonstra de o maniera convingatoare ca este vorba de scriere, ramanand agatati in aer in spatiul magic al proto-scrierii. De ce? pentru ca s-au lasat pacaliti de presupusa gasire a tablitelor intr-unul din straturile Vinca A/C si de varsta unor oase la cca. 5.300 B.C. Felicitari D-le Marco Merlini si dragi cercetatori si arheologi romani !

IPOTEZA INDRAZNEATA, PELASGII ?

February 12, 2019

Fetheared image, is from Pelasgians and Balto-Slavic. The search for common roots http://suyun.info/index.php?p=4_17062017_7_2&LANG=ENG

“The Studies of L. A. Gindin and V. L. Tsymbursky show us, that ancient population from Indo-Europeans of the Balkans were Pelasgians, in this regard, i assume that the Pelasgians were the ancient ancestors of the Proto Greek-Italic tribes, and related Proto Balto-Slavic tribes. Of the my opinion that the ancestors of the Pelasgians came to the Balkans and the Italian Peninsula from Central Europe and the Baltic.”

DACA VOM CAUTA RADACINILE PROTO-INDO-EUROPENE DAM EXACT PESTE RADACINILE ILIRE. Aceasta se intampla datorita faptului ca dupa unele ipoteze bazinul limbii Indo-Europene se suprapune peste acela al Proto-Ilirilor.

Harta din The Evolution of the Indo-European Languages Dr. C. George Boeree http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/indoeuropean.html

MAI PRECIS CRED EU CA ILIRII AU STAT LA BAZA RAMURII ITALO-CELTICE.

Indo-European Etymological Dictionary – Indogermanisches Etymologisches Woerterbuch (JPokorny)                                                     https://academiaprisca.org/indoeuropean.html

The dialectological position of Illyrian within the Indo-european, language-family and its implications for Prehistory  https://www.persee.fr/doc/iliri_1727-2548_1976_num_5_1_1212          Ronald A. Crossland

Illyrians – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians                                                    The Illyrians were a group of IndoEuropean tribes in antiquity, who inhabited part of the … They argued (following the “Kurgan hypothesis”) that the ‘protoIllyrians‘ had arrived much earlier, during the Bronze Age as nomadic IndoEuropeans .

Map from File:Proto-Illyrian & Illyrian Precursors Ethnogenesis Map (English).svg

File:Proto-Illyrian & Illyrian Precursors Ethnogenesis Map (English).svg

Bronze Age cultures in Central and Eastern Europe

 

The spread of Illyrian river, place, and tribal names in central Europe is shown on a Inap … The ProtoIllyrians apparently occupied all Pannonia and present-day 

The Italian linguist Bonfante shows that Dodona was an Illyrian temple
https://www.ocnal.com › Home › Illyrians                                                                                             , the Italian linguist pointed out the prominent presence of protoIllyrians. The Italian linguist …
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An Evolutionary Time-line of the Indo-European Languages

c. 5000 bc. http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/indoeuropean.html

Homeland:  The Danube River valley (Wallachia and Hungary).  Farming learned from the people of Asia Minor.  Cultivation of native rye and oats and domestication of native pigs, geese, and cattle begins.  Strong tribal sociey develops. This is the hypothesis first presented by Igor M. Diakonov. Note: Most linguists follow Marija Gimbates’ Kurgan theory. A smaller group follow Colin Renfrew’s Anatolian theory. I am admittedly only an amateur, but I prefer Diakonov’s Balkan theory, which is also a part of Renfrew’s extended theory.There are many reasons for choosing the Danube River valley:  Farming is possible, although the land is less than desirable to more powerful tribes from the south; the flora and fauna of the valley, as well as for other natural features such as hills and rivers, are represented by the oldest words we can reconstruct; it includes the natural ranges of wild horses which, when later domesticated, would become the Indo-European’s “ace card”;  the area is central to the eventual expanse of the Indo-Europeans, with due allowance for the more rapid expanse commonplace over steppe-lands;  the area is also in close proximity to some of the most conservative recent representatives of the family.

The most compelling reason is the presence of the Danubian culture, with its linear incised pottery, at this same time.  The culture spreads soon after in exactly the directions that would account for the spread of PIE.

There are, of course, many other possibilities.  The most common suggestion is the steppes north of the Black Sea, for many similar reasons.  I believe that the strong tribal social structure suggests that the Indo-Europeans were farmers before they were pastoralists.  It is highly unlikely that they went straight from steppe hunter-gatherers to sophisticated pastoralists in one step.

c. 4000 bc.

Proto-Anatolians move east to the northern Caucasus.  They would be profoundly influenced by the advanced cultures of Asia Minor and beyond.Proto-Tokharians  move east into the Ukraine.  These people are the most likely originators of the horse culture.  There is also plenty of evidence of ox-drawn wagons with disk wheels in the western steppes.

A western dialect emerges on the upper Danube and beyond.  The enclosed steppe of the Hungarian Plain is an ideal position to blend farming with a horse culture.

c. 3000 bc.

Copper working, learned from the people of Asia Minor, begins in Thrace and the Danube valley and reaches Germany by 3000 bc.Domestication of the horse spreads from the Ukraine.  Within a thousand years, horsemanship spreads from the Ukraine throughout the Indo-European area, even into Scandinavia.  It is the steppe inhabitants who change most dramatically into true pastoral societies.  In the more wooded areas of Europe, horse ownership begins to differentiate a warrior nobility from commoners.  Of course, use of the horse spreads to the non-IE societies of the Middle East as well.

The disk-wheel wagon has spread from Russia across Europe to Holland.

The Proto-Anatolians move from the Caucasus to Asia Minor.The Proto-Tokharians continue east to the steppes, towards the Tarim Basin in northwestern China.  They may be the people known to the Chinese as the Yüeh-chi, and may have been the core of the Kushan Empire of the first century AD.

The Proto-Celts separate from the rest of the western dialect and expand west into southern Germany and France, where they develop the Michelsburg culture and begin to strongly pressure the pre-PIE people, likely including the ancestors of the Basques and Aquitanians.  The remaining western dialect tribes edge into the modern Slovenia-Croatia area as well as northern Germany.

The main body of Indo-Europeans expands into Thrace, the Ukraine, Bohemia, and Poland, and begins to differentiate into a northern dialect (Bohemia, Poland, and Hungary, represented by the Funnel Beaker culture) and a southern dialect (Wallachia, Thrace, and Ukraine, continuing the Danubian culture). The original inhabitants north and west of the Carpathians, likely speakers of Uralic languages, are pushed further north and east.

c. 2500 bc.

Bronze working develops throughout Indo-European area.

The Proto-Italics, who speak a western dialect, move west and south from the Slovenia area into Italy. There they would encounter well-established pre-PIE people, possibly the ancestors of the Etruscans and Rhaetians.
The Proto-Illyrians, speaking a western dialect (perhaps), move south from the northern Croatia area into Illyria (the Dalmatian coast).

One branch of the southern dialect – Proto-Hellenic – moves south into Macedonia, Greece, and the Aegean islands, absorbing much of the Pelasgian people and culture.  By 1500 bc, the southern-most tribes would establish the Mycenaean culture.

The Proto-Germanics move into Scandinavia. Odd aspects of Proto-Germanic may be due to interaction with northern Celtic tribes, Baltic tribes, and possibly to the presence of native speakers of Uralic languages in Scandinavia.

The remaining body of Indo-Europeans (the Baltic, Poland, Bohemia, the Hungarian Plain, Wallachia, Thrace, the Ukraine and the neighboring steppes) – both northeast and southeast dialects – undergoes the Satem phonetic changes.

Dravidian>ancient sumer-tamil>Indo-European

December 3, 2018

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages#Proposed_relations_with_other_families                                                                                                                                                            In the early 1970s, the linguist David McAlpin produced a detailed proposal of a genetic relationship between Dravidian and the extinct Elamite language of ancient Elam (present-day southwestern Iran).[47] The Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis was supported in the late 1980s by the archaeologist Colin Renfrew and the geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, who suggested that Proto-Dravidian was brought to India by farmers from the Iranian part of the Fertile Crescent.[48][49] (In his 2000 book, Cavalli-Sforza suggested western India, northern India and northern Iran as alternative starting points.[50]) However, linguists have found McAlpin’s cognates unconvincing and criticized his proposed phonological rules as ad hoc.[51][52][53] Elamite is generally believed by scholars to be a language isolate, and the theory has had no effect on studies of the language.[54]

Dravidian is one of the primary language families in the Nostratic proposal, which would link most languages in North Africa, Europe and Western Asia into a family with its origins in the Fertile Crescent sometime between the last Ice Age and the emergence of Proto-Indo-European 4,000–6,000 BCE. However, the general consensus is that such deep connections are not, or not yet, demonstrable.

https://indo-european.eu/tag/tamil/                                                                                                 It is presumed that proto-Dravidian language, most likely originated in Elam province of South Western Iran, and later spread eastwards with the movement of people to the Indus Valley and later the subcontinent India (McAlpin et al. 1975; Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1988; Renfrew 1996; Derenko et al. 2013). West Eurasian haplogroups are found across India and harbor many deep-branching lineages of Indian mtDNA pool, and most of the mtDNA lineages of Western Eurasian ancestry must have a recent entry date less than 10 Kya (Kivisild et al. 1999a).

You must undersand that dravidian was kind of large pool, not much more.                         ————————————————————————————————————————————Nostratic tree:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nostratic_tree.svg

From http://paleoglot.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-nostratic-theory.html

                                            ———————————————————————————————————–                                           The only actual surviver is tamil language

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumtopics.html                                                Sumerian as Archaic Tamil Dr K.Loganathan, 2004 http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/sum-as-arch-tamil.htm

From DRAVIDIAN TOKENS, UBAID, AND ITS TRACES IN BALKANS by Iurii Mosenkis https://www.academia.edu/10909671/Dravidian_tokens_Ubaid_and_its_traces_in_Balkans

Ubaid Dravidian cult language of the Vinča
The Vinča, possibly Hurrian and similar to Indo-European Linear Pottery, might
be dravidianized by the Anatolian Ubaid. The phonetic structure of the Dravidian
languages is similar to the ‘banana’ substrate in Sumerian and Hurrian. Sumerian
writing system is good for the Dravidian word structure but not so good for
Sumerian one. The strong Dravidian element in Sumerian basic and cultural lexicon
might be interpreted as a ‘banana’ = Ubaid component.                                                         The Dravidian Ubaid roots might be suggested for                                                                     1) the Sumerian script of suggested pre-Sumerian origin,                                                        2) the Vinča script, including the Tărtăria tablets, related to the Sumerian script but not immediately,                                                                                                                                         3) the Cretan Linear A, B script derived from the Vinča script via the Dispilio tablet and the Trojan scriptinvestigated by N. N. Kazanskii,                                                                              4) the Kura-Araxes script similar to Vinča.                                                                               The beginning of the Ubaid culture in Southern Mesopotamia is currently dated from 6500 BCE, i. e. earlier than the Vinča and the Vinča script. The first tokens asthe prototypes of the Sumerian hieroglyphs are dated from the 9th millennium BCE.                 The Anatolian Ubaid influence on the Balkans is confirmed by the Dravidian etymologies of the Cretan Linear A, B signs and several Paleo-Balkan words.The line of descendance Vinča (with the Dispilio Tablet closest to Linear A) >Tisza>Tiszapolgár > Bodrogkeresztúr (with Aegean relations) contacted with Baden might reflect the connection between the Vinča script and the Trojan script (Troy IIV) which N. N. Kazanskii interpreted as an intermediate element between the Vinča and Linear A.                                                                                                    As L. S. Klejn suggested, the Vinkovci / Somogyvar of the Baden origin was related to the culture of the Cretan Linear script A. So Dravidian might be a cult language of the Anatolian Neolithic and Vinča because of the Dravidian relations of the Linear A, B signs, substrate words in Greek and Dacian, and the Tărtăria tablets. The Karanovo IV bearded figurines very similato the Harappan ones and contemporary of Vinča may be interpreted as anadditional argument.”

 

Common traits in the very beginning of writing

November 22, 2018

Some other scientists found that one particular pictogram was used in different places in writing .Quite slightly different in shape. It is about the eye. But every scientist showed mainly symilar eye-shapes for only twoo different places. I discovered that there was an much extended phenomenom. I will show you more than 4-5 places in the world. The explanation I’ve found is the fact that humans have the same physical body, and nervous system (read basic way of thinking).

But there was another pictogram used in the same semantic field, the fish. There is no other simple connection for humans for the idea of light other than eye. Light is entering in us through eyes.Close yes and have no light. Eye-light is kind of short-cut between, eliminating every word or philosophy upon.

It is true, light is coming mainly from Sun, but if you figure sun thinking possible turn in first time to celestial star and the light is only 2-nd, close-associated.

I discovered that it seems that the eye-shape was used for logograms and phonemes for light. I suppose the fish-shape was used for bright-light or “bright,shining”.

I will show you some 6 exemples:

A (1). Vinca-culture.So many statuettes with the eyes depicted as letter D with, or without eye-lashes. My personal suppozition, (expressed one year before) was that upon if the sign has an associated meaning that was the light, whatever sounded. For “shiny-bright” they used fish. Vinca-culture 6.000-4.000 B.C. Image, from Neolithic Vinca Terracotta Human/Bison Head – Ancient Art & Antiquities

Image, from http://www.allposters.es/-sp/Close-Up-of-Carving-Vinca-Culture-Belgrade-Museum-Serbia-Posters_i2675424_.htm

The fish was for the idea of bright (bright, shiny-God), the same to identical later sumerian Oanes and old hebrew Dagon ( dag was for fish). Vinca-culture, Bel Brdo 6.000 B.C. See, from https://www.emaze.com/@AFFFZWLO

Dagon https://mythology.net/others/gods/dagon/

Imagini pentru fish-god
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon#Ancient_Near_East Bronze AgeThe god Dagon first appears in extant records about 2500 BC in the Mari texts and in personal Amorite names in which the Mesopotamian gods Ilu (Ēl), Dagan, and Adad are especially common. (my note, phoenician Dagon, hebrew Dagan)

B(2) Jiahu writing https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Cuneiform https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSd9Tc0u8QF0jpa5jeWvtlb5Fb17FeEOdPKER-T22KZ6tu2JL-Pv211J4E

                                                                                                                                                  From http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread924712/pg1                                            Here’s a collection of 目 (eye) characters in the oracle script:

C(3)Sumerian

.Thttps://cdli.ucla.edu/staff/englund/publications/englund1995g.pdf “the former qualification, in subsequent periods used to denote
the distribution of above all rations to dependent workers and animals, seems best translated in archaic
sources with ‘inspected’ (‘and found to be available’, pictogram “eye”), roughly corresponding to later Sumerian gub or gal, or possibly gurum (IGI+GAR). 10 ” My note:probable reffering to sign IGI?

“The Sumerian noun is typically a one or two syllable root (igi “eye, e2 …”

Imagini pentru proto-cuneiform sumerian                                                                                                      From SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM SIGN LIST https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                                    Proto-cuneiform sign Di:                                                                                                                                                                                                                           From:  New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection                          new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html

B(2) Indus script From Harappa.com https://www.harappa.com/content/indus-script-5

C(3) Hieroglyphic Cretan ?Do/Du”?                                                     https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pjlF-VdbpbpyfFOnmuWv4UpZsXh93pQm5DAzcZ3g7ExMEvF9SlOBwrJOU5O6lf2Aoyo_kjc=s85http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

Hierogliphyc Cretan, sign No.005 From https://www.minoanatlantis.com https://www.minoanatlantis.com/Minoan_Mirror_Web.php

Note: Unknown rendering

Linear A. From http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2009/09/

The major obstacle here is the missing phonetic value for Linear A *301 (the ‘slave’ or ‘acrobat’ sign). Since it is not an easy task to find the missing value (more on this in a later post), we have almost no clue of the meaning of this word. Unless we make a bold move and substitute a fitting Etruscan-Lemnian stem here. The best (given the context, and the rare *AI diphtongal cluster) appears to be the etruscan word-stem *AIS = “God, Divinity”. If so, the value for *301 needs to be of either the S- or the Z-series (perhaps *ZU). Notwithstanding, the reading for a libation text beginning with ‘This/The god…’ appears incorrect. Therefore we have to assume that whatever A-I-*301-… meant, was more of a “divine gift” or “divine sacrifice” than being simply ‘god’ or ‘gods’.

Image from The most peculiar Minoan sign ever seen http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2010/12/most-peculiar-minoan-sign-ever-seen.html

My note. Close to egyptian eye !! https://www.thoughtco.com/egyptian-symbol-gallery-4122787

https://www.thoughtco.com/egyptian-symbol-gallery-4122787 “the eye of Horus”

Linear B, sign “Zu?” From Richard Wallance’s blog, https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/category/lessons-linear-b/

Me: yes, “Zu” as P.I.E.-root “Di”>DIas/Zeu,Zou,Zu,Zeus:”light”

From  Documents in Minoan, Luwian, Semitic and Pelasgian  Fred Woudhuizen file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Documents_in_Minoan_Luwian_Semitic_and_P.pdf     

“In their table of comparisons, Olivier & Godart plausibly propose the correspondence of CHIC038 “gate” to L32 ya, CHIC092 “horn” to L55 ru, and CHIC005 eye to L101 zu.”
49 ……………                                                                                                                                       “This inference is further emphasized by the fact that the Cretan hieroglyphic “eye” sign is more remotely related to Luwian hieroglyphic *191, which depicts three pairs of eyes in a row and stands for the all-seeing sun-god, TIWATA, ti6—thus leading us to the syllabic value ti6 according to the acrophonic principle.56 “

ETEOCRETAN. What? Why !? What have to do with our tablets?

April 21, 2018

  1. Here is not the place nor wasting your time explaining what is ETEOCRETAN                                2. Out of my intention to bother you or get to in a much complex situation. From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html :                 The sibilants                                                                                                                       Greek also did not have the range of sibilant consonants that the Semitic languages had, and the use and naming of these consonants shows confusion on the part of the Greeks. The old Phoenician alphabet has four sibilants:
    1. zai zeta whose sound was /z/. It was used from the start to represent a sound which varied in the Greek dialects thus: [dd] ~ [zd] ~ [zz] (see ‘Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters‘ below).
    2. semk semk whose sound was /s/. It is found in some of the archaic alphabets as an alternative way of writing zeta. It was later used in eastern Ionian alphabets to denote /ks/, but this usage is not attested in any of the archaic alphabets nor known in the alphabets of the western Greeks. The letter occurs in the Praisos #1 inscription and is discussed in the next two sections below.

      Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters                                            zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].                     

      In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found. But there appears to have been a tendency in Crete to devoice this combination as ττ is also found for standard Greek ζ; indeed, we also occassionally find actual /tt/ spelled ζ.

      For the above, see: M. Lejeune, Phonétique historique du Mycénien et du Grec ancien, Paris, 1972, pp112 sqq.; W.S. Allen, Vox Graeca, Cambridge UK, 1968, pp. 53 sqq.; C.D. Buck, The Greek Dialects, Chicago, 1955, p. 71 sq., and pp. 313 sqq. However, the letter zeta does not occur in any of the extant Eteocretan texts, so it may not directly concern us here, unless….

    3. semksemk is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities:
      • As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of zeta and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/.
      • It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant []].                         —————————————————————————————————-     That’s why, out of +++++ DDoo signs we could have: []…                                     1. Syrroo>syrrou :” of Syros,Syrian” as Hera Syrou:”Lady of Syros,or Syrian Lady”.Apropos of “Syrian Lady” this could be begining (sory about large time-ecart) one from A-SA-SA-RA to “Syrian woman” from Bible book wich supposed brought Christianism in Europe.                                   2. even Su(“your”) DDoo>DDou=DZOU. So to have not “kind of tetragrammaton” but TETRAGRAMMATON in 4 letters D D O O.        That’s why when get a string through both tablets (superpose holes ) the squared table cover the upper half text (fact noticed by Mr.Marco Merlini).So  the sacred name is hidden!
      • And we could have as entire half of the round tablet:
      • https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTffDJb0etLO9J16j4gr1-lF_bNB4DZURneRyT6jHPetGJe7v6h
      • Image result for archaic letter eta chethHistory of the letter h. The letter H may have started as a picture sign of a fence, as in very early Semitic writing used about 1500 BCE on the Sinai Peninsula (1). About 1000 BCE, in Byblos and other Phoenician and Canaanite centres, the sign was given a linear form (2), the source of all later forms. The sign was called cheth in the Semitic languages, which may have meant “fence.” The sound expressed by the cheth sign stood for a pharyngeal sound which is not found in the English language. The Greeks renamed the sign eta and used it in two functions—first for the consonant h and then for the long vowel e (3). The Romans took over the form H (4), with the sound value of the English h.
      • HP/HD? (Heta,consonant eta!/Eta)-Rho;     DDOO:                                                EDE DiDou! :”GIVE(us) EAT
      • HEROS,(Hera?) DiDou! :”LORD(Lady?) GIVE US(..daily bread) (the root
      • Note:*hed is common for edo,lat.gr.:”I eat” ede!:”eat!” edible etc. and alb.Ed lat.ede:”kid-goat!” hedus, gr. hedus pleasant,sweet)                           or:
      • HEROS DDOU/DZOU/ZOU/ZEUS :”LORD GOD-ZEUS
      • ……………….and now you see,understand why I took your time.Also hope understand  my obstination to use “our (Balkan)signs” not “their (sumerian) signs” 
      • Also you have kind of gift, as to see, 

        derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ]

      •  How the VERY INDO-EUROPEAN ROOT Di=”light” was transmited through time in the name of GOD                                                                                                                                              ———————————————————————————————-Ariel D.T. Stamped Amphora Handles from Tel Mikhal (Tel Michal …

        http://www.academia.edu/…/Ariel_D.T._Stamped_Amphora_Handles_from_Tel_Mikhal_T&#8230;

         I know of no attempt at determining an A significant number of stamps with an etarho internal chronology for this prolific fabricant, ligature have been published. … of similar—but circular—stamps as Samian, 1990:42, S96, 99–101). and maintained that the monogram stood for Hera or her sanctuary.

        The Temple of Apollo Bassitas: The architecture

        Frederick A. Cooper – 1992 – ‎Architecture

        heta-rho as B P, or Ionic etarho as HP. The distinction between long epsilon and eta is not to be taken as a chronological indicator but as a geographical one. The combined letters must then represent a word or name, irjp ,25 because there is no suitable ordinal or word denoting position. Hera or hero are possibilities, .

        Table of archaic Cretan alphabet of Dreros and Praisos  http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html

        Semitic name ᾽alf bēt gaml delt wau zai ḥēt ṭēt jōd kaf
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        alpha beta early gammalater gamma deltaalternative delta epsilon digamma zeta, (semk) eta theta early iotalater iota kappa
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        α β γ δ ε ϝ ζ η θ ι κ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        a b g d e w z ē i k
        Semitic name lamd mēm nūn semk ῾ain ṣādē qōf rōš šīn tau (wau)
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        lamba mu nu semk o pi san (not
        used)
        rho (not
        used)
        tau early ulater u
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        λ μ ν ζ? ο π σ ρ τ υ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        l m n z? o p s r t u
      • Note                                                                                                                          Till nowdays the Di particle in the name of God scarcely remained as  “DD” :                                                                                                                         In sicilian, From: Complete List of Keywords www.dieli.net › Proverbs › ProvKeyWds  Ddiu n.m. God. Also: Diu. Ddò n.m. title, honorific
      • From https://books.google.ro › books
        Pasquale Scialò, Francesca Seller, Anthony R. DelDonna · 2015 · Music
        Furthermore, the word “dio” is pronounced [ ddìo]; “dio” also doubles in Neapolitan. ... indicate something significant while avoiding mention of the name of God), “Ddio” (God

WHY SUCH A GREAT AMOUNT OF MISTERY AROUND TARTARIA TABLETS SUBJECT?

April 11, 2018

There are many questions wich allmost remained without responce:                                                    -It is writing, of wich kind?                                                                                                                  -It is proto-writing or writing; if writing,wich kind?                                                                       -What is the period of time in wich were made?                                                                            -Who was the supposed writer?                                                                                                          -To wich culture partained tablets and he or her?                                                                          -Are tablets real or fakes?                                                                                                                    -Why no scientist engaged in close research and give strait answers?                          ………….An other (more than ten)  questions.


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/2004509-first-civilisation-world-originated-balkans.html#ixzz5EFpnyKyJ                                                                                    The Danubian Neolithical cultures that makes the so-called Dabunian Civilisation (Vinca-Turdaș, Criș, Hamangia, Cucuteni, Gumelnița, Boian etc) were in fact the offsprings of migrations from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent toward Europe of early agricultors and the Vinca-Turdaș script, while the oldest system of writing in the world, didn’t developed in a large scale practice, there are no more than some hundreds discoveries of pottery shards and other pieces bearing (usually only one) such signs and the society wasn’t yet highly structured and hierarchized like the Sumerian one.                                                                                                                                And perhaps more important, the Vinca-Turdaș script was an isolated phenomenon, it disappeared with the end of this material culture (with some echos perhaps in the later Cucuteni culture).

From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-new-york-times-a-lost-european-culture-vlassa-tartaria-striga-istoria-sub-noi-oameni-buni/#comment-6635  :                           Sa nu ma atacati inainte de a trece o noapte.                                                                              Nu stiu exact cum s-a intamplat, insa doar oasele au fost datate cu C14.Rezultatul este ca 99% din cercetatorii din lume stiu ca tablitele au fost datate.In consecinta,toti acestia iau de buna varsta de 5200 BC.Mai rau este ca toti incep sa-si modifice teoriile legate de neoliticul European si despre istoria Scrisului.                                                                Varsta aceasta poate sau nu fi adevarata.                                                                                Insa toti ar trebui sa stie ca nu tablitele au fost datate ci numai oasele! In (forensic science) criminalistica vasta unui obiect nu se translateaza ca fiind aceeasi cu varsta unui alt obiect,chiar aflat in imediata vecinatate! Dupa cate am inteles in arheologie cand se poate cand nu, de cele mai multe ori da.Nu uitati ca in situl arheologic a fost haloimesul de pe lume.Nu s-a lucrat cf. tehnicilor actuale.asa daca ne gandim puteau pica din zeci de cm de mai sus.(Unii zic ca se lucra “la norma” si posibil Vlassa a luat tablitele din miile de obecte de-a lui Szofia Torma)Nimeni in lume si nicaieri nu a luat cineva vre-un pix in mana (cuneus) inainte de 3200-3500 BC.Nici macar ca sa faca tablite pictografice, darmite cu semne!                                                                                         Cu respect, ing. Eugen Rau Timisoara

I not agree the folowing!:The Hittites Quote:

Originally Posted by CARPATHIAN

The European population of Turdaș-Vinča culture discovered the writing and the metallurgy for the first time in human history and brought these discoveries to Mesopotamia where the Vinča Script was developed into the Cuneiform Script and the Sumerian culture has reached higher levels of development because of the hierarchization of society that brought the possibility of erecting imposing temples and cities.     ———————————————————————————————————–

regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions

Radiocarbon dating – is it applicable to clay? Where are the tablets now? —Ghirla-трёп- 04:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn’t. Radiocarbon dating may only be applied to organic artifacts. The original Tartaria tablets were of dried, unbaked clay. The Romanian scientists baked them in an oven, to avoid their decay, but any subsequent dating by thermoluminescence (which is the usual method for the age determnation of ceramic artifacts) became impossible.–Mazarin07(talk) 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The radio-carbon dating was performed not on the tablets themselves but on the bones with which they were found and with which they are presumed to have been buried. The article’s (currently) second external link is to a report dated 2004 of an investigation of the bones, tablets etc that dates the bones to a calibrated r-c span of 5370-5140BC. Incidentally, that report also corrects several of the original excavator’s incorrect assumptions which the article currently still contains. For example, the bones were not burnt, and are of an elderly female, not a male. I leave it to someone with more wiki-fu to study the report and update the article. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)                                                                                                                                               ——————————————————————————————————————————-       To have the quickest possible responce to above questions, and have proper understanding, I will begin with the most important aspect,out of all others:                     – For a college (or above) level wiewer (no counting here scientists) something is shocking or striking :                                                                                                                              -There are three tablets wich normally distanced in time one of another 500-1000 years; could be showed and given to average cultural level people as kind of exemples for some of main  steps/stages by wich evolved the writing:

1-tartaria-tablets-spoza                                                                                          (Periods of time are as raw refference)                                                                                               1-Iconic stage,usually as before 3.500 B.C.                                                                                         2-Proto-hierogliphic stage as between 3500(east)-2200(west) B.C.                                             –Hierogliphic  stage between 3.000(east)-2000(west) B.C.                                                             3 –Syllabary, alphabetic stage between 2500(est)-1.500(west) B.C.                                                 One writer cannot know well all three systems of writing, but even so, cannot live in all above period/span of time.                                                                                                                         So there are only three explanations:                                                                                           1.-the tablets are not related one with another                                                                               2.-the tablets are fakes                                                                                                                       3–the tablets are made in later times (B.C.),by somebody who knew proper writing and also knew some-how ( kind of cultural transmission) some older signs and icons and some ideas/recollection of theyr meaning. He/her made another twoo as kind of school to stress the ancestor’s esteem and/or show how predecessors wrote.                                                                           I am inclined to support the last hypothesis.                                                                                  ————————————————————————————-                                                      Some twelve years before, I saw for the first time the tablets pictures.After got knoledge  of writing landscape and evolving, after 24 hrs. only I remained with the strong impression that on the round tablet we have signs as letters.     I recognised many signs wich were used as letters in archaic greek alphabets.Despite this. I cannot identify all signs as letters in 100% proportion in any alphabet.Highest percentage in identifying work had carian folowed by old greek and iberian alphabets. Even for some years i had (and have) a reading upon archaic greek alphabets.Here I had the support of eteocretan alphabet and writing.later, one month before I could find all the signs of both written tablets (out of pictographic) using sumerian signs. Also I could use of cretan hierogliphic,Linear A/B signs for both tablets but encountered some difficulties (2 signs:bow+arrow and >>) at that round-one. I am not counting those hierogliphic-like,complex signs wich can be icons but as well ligatured letters. these very icons had the prime effect that one to keep scientists at distance because are also vave a mysterius appearance. In my understanding, Linear A/B begun in Aegean area and there also finished there.No gain large acceptance and not known or extended in Europe and other areas. After that, begun to be known better in Europe phoinikeia grammata “phoenician letters” with followers old hebrew and greek alphabet.                                     But in the European people’s and cultural turmoil , different peoples addapted and gave their own and quite/slight different use of those signs.                                       ————————————————————————————————-                                                     Very interesting, I saw one month before old runic Bulgarian alphabet and realised that I have many of signs there.But not gave proper attention.Taking account that there are some related issues between gothic,nordic and Balcan(Blugarian) areas, I realised that there were contacts between those cultures wich continued till christianism full emerged in Europe. See:                                                                                                        From Scandinavia and the Balkans: Cultural Interactions with Byzantium …

https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1443882283Oksana Minaeva, ‎Lena Holmquist        “The solar sign in the inscription also possesses the magical meaning of the character. In greek papyrus texts,it is a planetary symbol and denotes various vocalisations from the greek alphabet:usually H or T. ….In papyrus texts,the moon is also presented

This once again highlights the relationship between the discussed monument and Gothic literary culture discovered in present-day Bulgaria.47 The solar sign in the … 8 of the treasure from Nagyszentmiklós, which is dedicated to the complex nature of the Christian God according to Gnostic Christian views of Middle Eastern …”

ould be kind of contact between Cycladic  Keros/Syros population and early “Servos” from near-by Serres.

From site: http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.ro/2011/04/bulgarian-alphabet.html

bulgar_runic_letters-1                                              ———————————————————————————————————————————-       Even if I would  begin such an attempt, another obstacle want to block my optimismus:    The artefacts found near-by at the archeological site. Artefacts that wanting to speak that something is related to Aegean and specific to Cyclades area (don’t ask me why but my mind was focussed by the center of Cyclades, Keros-Syros islands):                                           -one Spondyllus-shell bracelet                                                                                                           -one figurine/statuettes made in Cyclades style                                                                             -one alabaster footed-pot  also in perfect cycladic style. Not to mention that in Aegean/Greek aereas were found hundred of tablets with proper writing, Linear A/B or archaic greek, in our area (Bulgaria-Serbia-Macedonia) a few written tablets , around or above  five (e.g. Ezerovo ring-supposed thracian but no one  clear read or deciphered)                          ———————————————————————————————-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet

TartRound

Up-LeftRAW

Letters Heta/Eta-Rho :”HeRo,HeRa,HaR,Haro”=Hero,Lady,Charm,Death

Upper-Right Sign +++++ is +++ ?  From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html                     Values of the vowels                                                                                                                         As for long and short vowels, only /e/ could have separate symbols for the two quantities, namely eta for “long e” and epsilon for “short e”. In fact in Greek spelling it was not even as simple as that. Ancient Greek had two “long e” sounds: low-mid [ɛː] and high-mid [eː]. In Greek eta denoted only the long low-mid sound; epsilon had to do duty for both the short sound and the long high-mid sound (until ει (ei) came to be used to denote /eː/ in the 5th century BCE). We see this in the Cretan Greek inscriptions from Dreros. Whether Eteocretan used similar spelling conventions or whether epsilon was always short, we have no way of knowing; all we can safely assume is that eta is always long.                                                                                                          Values of consonants                                                                                                                    The consonants, for the most part, denoted the same phonemes as those denoted in the International Phonetic Alphabet by the Roman transcription shown in the table above; the only two exceptions are:                                                                                              1.zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].
In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found.                        2.semksemk is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities:                                                                                                                            As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of zeta and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/.                                                                                              It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant []].

Upper-Right quarter,signs:                                                                                                          +++++                                                                                                                                              (i?)D(i?) D o o                                                                                                                                           Letters:                                             Se?Su?                                                                                                                                                    ( i)R(i) R o o

Reading: Surroo=Surrou Seirroo>Seirrou ;seiroo>seirrou

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sirius.html                                                      Such stars astronomers call seirious on account of the tremulous motion of their light;…….so that it would seem that the word, in its forms seir, seiros, and seirios, —  Suidas used all three for both sun and star, — originally was employed to indicate any bright and sparkling heavenly object, but in the course of time became a proper name for this brightest of all the stars.

From Hermes Scythicus Or the Radical Affinities of the Greek and Latin …https://books.google.ro/books?id=LFRmAAAAcAAJ     … “Syr, or Seir,” he adds, “which the Persians “employed to denominate the sun, seems to be “ the same with Thor, only in a different dialect. “The ancient people of the north …

sci.tech-archive.net › Archive › sci.lang › 2004-07Cached
13 Jul 2004 – be understood as the sun, shining on the male head or king and the ear of grain  The peculiar name Seyr for Zeus may have a correspondence in the Hittite  well worthy of Zeus, who was the supreme Greek god already in ..

dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/…/message/8177?o=1… – United StatesCached
You +1’d this publicly. Undo
25 Aug 2001 – Please respond to the idea that “Seir = Sun“…. that’s all I really  Sirius was the name of the dog that accompanied the Greek Hero > Orion!

6. eugenrau https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/829170-tablithele-de-la-tartaria/page__st__90     Posted 28 October 2012 – 00:21                                                                                                     seir=seiros=xeros=ca si xerox=rom/uscator; en./schorcherer=a fost aplicat in vechime atat pentru soare cat si pentru sirius

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AC seira:”cordrope

From Queen of heaven (antiquity) – Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(antiquity)                                 Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). In Greco-Roman …

So,possible:                                                                                                                                       Hera          Sun(Zeus)                                                                                                                      Hero          Sirius(Osiris)           >> pre-Christ.?                                                                           Hera       Syrrou (lady from Syria/Syros?)   …..there’are saying in Bible that christianism was brought by a Syrian woman                                                                                                HaR         Seirrou   chord of Charm (Har<>charis)                                                                        chord/rope of <=>of Sun/Sirius/Hera

seir<!>seira ; thrac.syros:”pit”(osiris burial/rebirth?)

Surrou<>Surriou<>Surya/Svar/Suar

Note: “rr” is for “rho” and “oo” used before-time changed to “ou” and in some cases “omega” ; rroo=rhou (rom.rau=river):”flow,course” from v.”rheo” (could be also Hora rrou=”flow oftime)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥ – Wiktionary

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥

 This Proto-IndoEuropean entry contains reconstructed words and roots. As such, the term(s) in this entry are … Ancient Greek: ἥλιος (hḗlios). Doric Greek: αέλιος (aélios) … Sanskrit: स्वर् (svàr, “sun,sunlight”), सूर्य (sūrya, “sunSun deity”) (< *suh₂l-)
Also OSIRIS:
From http://www.zoniana.gr/name_en.htm ZOULIANAZOUTOLAKKO – ZONIANA       In this way Zas (Zeus) became both the founder and godfather of the village. When he died, he was buried there and from his tomb, his pit which is a synonym of his grave, the place was named “Zou’s Pit” (“Zeu’s Pit’’), in other words Zou’s (Zeus) grave. For instance a common phrase in Greek used when someone is at death’s door is that ‘He/she has one foot in the grave’ or when someone is already dead that ‘He/she has filled one’s pit’.  Soon enough this name prevailed and until the second decade of the 19th century it was named “Zou’s Pit’ (Tou Zou to Lakko) and that is how Zouliana was named and still is the afore-mentioned neighbourhood. In this way it becomes clear that both names ZOULIANA and ZOYTOLAKKO derive from ZA which is one of the numerous names of ZEUS; among other names he was called Zeus, Dias, Zas, Zis, Zan, Dan, Tan, etc. Today the village is named Zoniana which name also derives from Zeus as we will find out. The village’s inhabitants, the so-called Zoulakkianoi or Zoulakkites, when they wanted to say: “Oh my God” (as we say today) or “Listen to me God”, they used to say: “Zone God” (Zone Thee) or “Listen to me Zone God” (Listen to me Zone Thee). Only Zoulakkianoi used this kind of appeal to address God. The inhabitants of Anogeia used to say: “Zane God” (Zane Thee

 

 

KOGAION, AION and ION.Origin and linguistic relations.

April 7, 2018

KOGAION, AION and ION.Origin and linguistic relations.

They’re origin it is in the deepest time.                                                                                    From The Nostratic Macrofamily: A Study in Distant Linguistic Relationship https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3110139006  Allan R. Bomhard, ‎John C. Kerns

Pokorny 1959:517-518 *kago-, *kogo-, -a- ‘goat‘; Walde 1927-1932.1:336-337 *qago-, *qogo-, -a-; Mann 1984-1987:459 *kag- ‘goat, kid, goatskin‘; …

 

Sumerians used to associate an particle as an etiquette to gods and kings,

For gods at the begining there was written the sign DINGIR:”GOD” with the sign star *.

Linguists when read a text put at the begining of word the equivalent latin sign D.

For kings they usually associate an enhacement part to be understood sacred,god-like:

Lugal+ Name+ Kuga

man-great Name high,pure,sacred

Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988

Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig“

For supposed name KOGAION wich seems an distorted new name, could be interpreted shortly

1.KUGA-ION :”Grandfather-Ion”because in Lycian Kuga is for grandfather.

You will ask: and what we have in common with Lycians?

*They say that the common origin of Romanians and Latin People it is in Lidia and Lycia.

Romans thought and were learned at school that they came from Lidia and theyr ancestor was Ludus.

Romanian knows that Dacians were related to wolf as theyr stindard/standard was.Lycos in greek is for wolf (thought as having sparkling,shining eyes in the night (gr.Lycos/shine,lat.it.Luce, light,rom.”a luci” to shine).

2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “temple,sacred aabode of Ion” because

MUSAION,or HERAION are MUSA+AION,HERA+AION fixed place,temple of MUSA(arts) or HERA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon was the holy mountain of the Geto-Dacians, the place where Zalmoxis stayed in an underground cave for three years. After his disappearance into Kogaionon, he was considered dead by the Getae but after three years he resurrected and showed himself to the people, who became convinced by his holy preaching when he emerged from Kogaionon.

Strabo claims that a river with the same name flowed in the vicinity.

One modern translation of Kogaionon is “sacred mountain”, which would be connected to a probable Dacian word kaga meaning “sacred”, attested in two early 2nd century inscriptions from Tomis.

ion,gr.”mooving”, aion:”fixed” aionon:”infinite time,eternal”

So Kogaionon it has twoo meanings at the same time:

koga-aionon :sacred-eternal and sacred-Ion’s temple or rather of God of infinite time,Aion.

In fact KOGAION it is not distorted because KOGA is a linguistics shift common in I.European languages and not only:

GOGA > KOGA.

Goga has the origin at king GUGU name known as Gyges.

GUG/GOG it is an I.European root wich signify “round,great,swelled,high”

Also has the meaning of ruller (IE root Ag) : DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”ruller of people”.

Relative to Ion,was an ancestor of greek and latin people like Pelegus (“pelasgian”) but much older.

Because Ion is related to Oannes an this to Sky/God “AN” or chtonik En-Ki.

KUGA-ION is like KUGA-AN wich is wrong,not the case because KUGA-AN is sumerian equivalent of God Azag,an underground,death-land god of Death.Instead KUGA-an-na.

only 1 second:———————————————————————————————————

Not only have GODEANU mountain range (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?)

Encyclopedia of Beasts and Monsters in Myth, Legend and Folklore
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane

Variations: BULL OF HEAVEN, Gugalana A monstrous bull from ancient Sumer, Gudanna (“an attacker”) was described as being gigantic and having breath so poisonous it could kill two hundred warriors at a time. …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna

In Sumerian religion, Gugalanna is the first husband of Ereshkigal, the queen of the Underworld.

——————————————————————————————————-                              Instead KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacred,pure-god-sky”

An(En) + An = Lord,god+Sky                                                                                                                —————————————

Nowdays asian people have kogea > trk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”somehow abnormal,exceseeve big”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja

Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) is an honorific title used across the Middle East, South Asia, Southeast Asia and Central Asia, particularly towards Sufi teachers. The word comes from the Iranian word khwāja (New Persian: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) and translates as “master”, “lord” or in archaic sense “gentleman”. The spellings hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] are also used. The name is also used in Egypt and Sudan to indicate a person with a foreign nationality or foreign heritage. Khawaja is also a surname amongst ethnic Kashmiris.

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*Note

I want to make things and issues clear,so I don’t know (only have personal soughts and ideas):

1. what kind of people,genetics,from where came OLD EUROPE/Danubian/Vinca-Turdas culture people

2.When, and by wich route/way came “proper Ind-Europeans”

3.if lycians ,lidians were native Anatolians, relatives of Hittites,or distant-relative of Sumerians

4.if they migrated to Europe or there was early Danubian migrations to Anatolia (as Bruges>Phrigians supposed were)

5.How many main waves of supposed agriculturalist people from Sumer or Anatolia were and when

6.if relative small groups of sumerians or Anatolians come in Serbia and Dacia in search for metals; if they used as primary skill metal working not agricultural-one.

7. if Dacians were, and in what degree related to Lycians,Guttians(people from Zagros M.tains wich concured Sumer).

8.what was exactly relation of Danubians with Aegeans.                                                             ———————————————————————————————–                                                  From  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Alexandru_I._Odobescu_-_Opere_alese._Volumul_2_-_Scrieri_istorice%2C_istorico-literare%2C_filologice%2C_folklorice%2C_arheologice%2C_etc..pdf                                          < Radu cel frumos este, poate, Domnul care lasa inteinsa $i o tipsie de argint (de 29 centimetre in diametru), ce se pastreaza si pana azi, purtand pe cercul buzii, gravatd, Cu litere slavone mari si frumos taiate, urmätoarea in- scriptie :
mldia bjdeia lo Radul Voevoda i gn. vdsei zemli Un- grovlah,iskoi sn blcitvago i hrotliubivago lo Vlada Veli-kago Voevoda.
Adica :
t Cu mils. lui Dumnezeu, Io Radul Voevod si Domn al toatei Orel
Ungrovlahiei, fiul preacuviosului si de Hristos iubitorului Io Vlad
marele Voevod. >

From https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/kago                                                    Dictionary: κἀγώ   Greek transliteration: kagō “and I, I also, but I”,                                          a crasis of και and ἐγώ, dat., κἀμοι, acc., κἀμέ

 

Din κάγα: un important cuvânt dacic1 https://archive.is/y4i7N

Heroi sacrum
Ti(berius) Claudius Mu-
casius v(otum) s(olvit) l(ibens) m(erito)
Hερώϊι (sic!) ΚΑΤΑ Τι(βέριος)
Κλαύδιος Μου-
κάσιος εὐξάμ[ε-
νος καθιέρωσε[ν

Inscr. ISM II (Tomis), n.128-Drawing                                                                                                                              Ofrandă lui Heros. Tiberius Claudius Mucasius şi-a îndeplinit juruinţa, cu dragă inimă şi pe bună dreptate “. Formula de încheiere, abrevierea V•S•L•M bine cunoscută epigrafiştilor, indică limpede o inscripţie votivă6. Iată însă ce spune acelaşi Tiberius Claudius, de data aceasta în greceşte: ” Lui Ērōs KATA. Tiberios Claudios Mukasios a consacrat (după cum) a promis “. Dacă, aşa cum am văzut, varianta latină este limpede, în cea greacă apare în schimb acest KATA, neexplicat satisfăcător de nici unul din editorii inscripţiei. Primul dintre ei, Gr. Tocilescu, încercând, la 1895, să-i dea totuşi un înţeles plauzibil, îl consideră pe KATA un adjectiv al lui Ērōi şi propune – de aceea – interpretarea lui drept o prescurtare a unui κατα(χθόνιος) “subpământean”, un epitet ori o ipostază a zeului. În lipsa unei alte explicaţii mai consistente propunerea a fost acceptată de toţi editorii ulteriori – şi admisă în literatura de specialitate. Ea are însă cel puţin două mari neajunsuri care atrag atenţia: 1. mai întâi ar presupune o diferenţă considerabilă între variantele latină şi greacă ale dedicaţiei, căci kata(chthōnios) “subpământean” lipseşte din textul latin, în timp ce acesta conţine pe sacrum “jertfă“, inexistent în versiunea greacă. 2. abrevierea kata pentru katachthōnios ar reprezenta un “dublu unicat”: pe de o parte ar fi singura oară când acest cuvânt s-ar prescurta astfel în inscripţiile greceşti, pe de alta acesta ar fi singurul loc în care zeul epihoric Hērōs ar fi numit “subpământean”. Toate aceste dificultăţi ar fi putut fi evitate dacă atât Tocilescu, cât mai ales editorii de mai târziu, ar fi privit cu mai multă atenţie piatra pe care, aşa cum se poate vedea în fig.1 şi 2, lapicidul a scris nu ΚΑΤΑ , ci ΚΑΓΑ !

Begin. Tab. I. A. Α̈̓ιδιοτης, æternitas, perpetuitas. [A Greek-Latin …

Kaga , tondeo: scindo, abscindo : populor, vasto: in saciabili edacitate voro. 

Cata- | Define Cata- at Dictionary.com

Cata- definition, a prefix meaning “down,” “against,” “back,” occurring originally in … Greek kata-, combining form of katádown, through, against, according to, … this prefix is found in English mostly in words borrowed through Latin after c.1500.
me:                                                                                                                                                       Lui Ērōs prin/catre Tiberios Claudios Mukasios cum a promis ”                                INSCRIPTIA ESTE IN LIMBA GREACA; IN GREACA NU EXISTA KAGA

VINCA-TURDAS CIVILISATION (THEIR) SIGNS, GODS AND SOUNDS (~ 5000 B.C.)

April 3, 2018

From ancientpages.com,

From alamy.com

https://el-libertario.webnode.es/_files/200005567-5afb95c527/Figurilla%20Vinca.JPG

“D” shape was for the idea of light ?  and sounded “Di”?

From The Roots of the Sanskrit Language – jstor  https://www.jstor.org/stable/2935779

by WD Whitneye ….. du, 1 di, burn. Not in RV. dus, spoil. In V., only caus. and derivatives. duh, milk, derive. 1 dr, pierce, split. drp, rave, talk big. drg, see. Lacks a pres.-system.

From https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e7/b3/27/e7b327dd67e6703ffaf326e49919ebb3.jpg               Gr.βόωψ boōps “cow-eyes”; europos “big-eyes”

From https://www.videomaker.com/article/c13/14089-the-eye-light An eye light is a light that creates a small sparkle of light reflected from the eye’s surface, giving sparkle to the subject’s eyes. Without the eye light, the eyes would seem lifeless and unemotional.

From Psalms, Proverbs – Page 555 – Google Books Result https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1414398883

Mark Futato, ‎George M. Schwab, ‎Philip W. Comfort -15:30 A cheerful look. Precisely, “the light of the eyes.” “Light” is equated with life in 4:18; 6:23; 13:9.

[PDF]Derivatives of Nostratic Root Morpheme *Ya – “To Shine, To Glow, To …

www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/download/9116/8803  *– “to shine, to glimmer”

 From New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection

new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html Sum. di ‘to shine’, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’, Skr. – ‘to shine, be bright’, dina ‘day’, Armenian tiw ‘day’, Luwian Tiwat- ‘Sun god’, …

 Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws – Wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyws

*dyew- (“sky, heaven”); *dyew- > *diw– (zero-grade) > *deyw-

EVIDENCE OF MINOAN ASTRONOMY AND CALENDRICAL PRACTICES Marianna Ridderstad https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0910/0910.4801.pdf                                              Another likely celestial symbol is the ‘eye’ with very prominent ‘eye-lashes’ (CHIC:387). The ‘eye’ is sometimes depicted as ‘rising’ over a (horizon?) line, which casts the doubt that it, too, is a solar symbol (CHIC #314). This may be related to the later belief of the sun as the eye of Zeus (Olcott 1914:288).

ANTONN BARTONEK T H E PHONIC EVALUATIO N OF THE S- AND Z- SIGNS IN MYCENAEA N https://digilib.phil.muni.cz/bitstream/handle/11222.digilib/110060/E_ArchaeologicaClassica_09-1964-1_8.pdf?sequence=1  Lurja, while treating this question, starts with refusing—first in his article Opyt ctenija pilosskikh nadpisej, Vest, drevnej istorii 1955, vol. 3, pp. 8-36, but mainly in his work Jazyk i kultura 50 sqq.—to ascribe the D- series of Mycenaean signs the explosive character. He believes that due to a pre-Greek substratum there had occurred in Mycenaean several phonic changes which most Greek dialects did never fully accomplish and of which only a very few odd traces were left in the Classical Era; thus assuming the shift of the proto-Greek d into some kind of (d)z he transcribes all Ventris’s D- signs as Z-signs, and goes on designating in this connection Ventris’s Z- series—not quite convincingly—as “C- series”, ascribing it with an all-round validity the phonetic value of a “soft (palatalized) variant” of the phone k.2…………………………………………1. It is probable that the very adoption of the Linear Script for rendering Greek witnessed already the tendency of reproducing with the Z- spelling all phonic formations governed by the so-called second assibilation, i. e. the voiced substitute for the original j-, -dj-, -gj-, on the one hand [this substitute being very likely at that time not far from the affricate dz going back to d’d’], and the voiceless substitute for the inter-morphemic -t(h)j- or for any -k(h)j- and -tw-, on the other hand [the latter substitute being again probably not far from the affricate tj going back to t’t’]; in either of these cases the Z- series of signs was employed just to express rather the purely palatal, i . e. the still non-affricate, shade of the two substitutes, a shade that was just in all probability disappearing…………………..The couple of affricate phonemes ts, dz, which formed counterparts as to voice. Their phonetic character underwent the following pre-Mycenaean and Mycenaean process of evolution: from various original formations through t’t’ [which absorbed also k’k’] and through d’d’ [absorbing also g’g’ and evidently even a part of the initial proto-Greek j’-], 5 4 then through tj [which had very likely directly absorbed the original tiv] and through dz, assuming finally the forms ts, dz………………………16.The most important exceptions: Central Cretan, Boeotian, Laconian, Elean and the Thessaliotic subdialect of Thessalian with their DD(!deltadelta), or later TT—all this being, of course, only a special continuation of the affricate dz.

Nominal composition in Mycenaean Greek – Wiley Online Library

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-968X.00100/pdf  Mycenaean Greek is given and a classification attempted. Thereafter, issues in their phonology …. compound must not be considered `rien autre qu’une varieÂte de la formation des noms, au meÃme titre que la ….. pu2-ru might be interpreted as `having white eye-brows’ (leyko3w and o1ýry9w), but the presence of ro still …

Me: !!                                                                                                                                              Linear A sign *79 (‘eye’)  Linear A, “ZU”

 https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/linear-a-scribal-hands-wa-wi-za-ze-zo-zu.jpg 

In other place thay say it is “DO” http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TEOGfd1eE3I/AAAAAAAAAeM/RF7U_QatvuY/s320/Minoan-seals-01.jpg

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From http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2009/09/                                                                              This exclusion rule can be applied to the Linear A sign *79 (‘eye’) to show why it cannot represent the value ‘ZU’ (that was assigned to it by John Younger et al.). The case-ruling example we find on the tablet ZA4,row a.5 where the term QE-SI-*79-E can be read. The same name recurs on tablet ZA15. Now, if the reading of *79 were ‘ZU’, we would rather expect an ending ZU-WE (with a not well characterised linear A WE sign) and NOT ZU-E. On the other hand, the value suggested and used by many (e.g Glen Gordon) for this linear A sign: ‘DO’, fits perfectly, as DO-E is absolutely possible.                                            But the case of LinA *79 has to approached with care. Apparently, there are two distinct LinearB signs (*79 and *14) corresponding to single cluster (*79) Linear A. I label it as a cluster, as it contains signs of very variable design: it is easily possible that there are two signs lumped into a single cluster: at least one of these is (with resonably high probability) is the Linear A counterpart of Linear B ‘DO’ sign (LinB *14).

From http://minoablog.blogspot.ro/2010/05/how-many-linear-signs-do-we-have.html BayndorJune 4, 2010 at 8:50 AM

I must admit, if my derivation of the Lin A *79 is peculiar, then the theory on the ‘TO’ sign must sound straightforwardly strange. It is an ‘I don’t have any better idea’ type of theory. Because Hieroglyphics features a sign: ‘bovine head in front’, that is not even uncommon, it must have a Linear A descendant. But if one checks it – based on shape, frequency and distribution – there are only two viable candidates: TO or DI. While I could not remove sign DI from the list of possible readings, it is only the TO sign that admits a good etymology. If we go with the reading DO (from *tau) for the ‘eye’, then a clearly parallel derivation would be the value TO for the ‘bull’ sign (from *thaura). I only thought of this second one, because it could prove a regular development of *aw diphtongs in Minoan into *o. Unfortunately, I could not meaningfully analyse the PO sign (as I don’t know what it depicts), or the RO sign. On the other hand, the KO sign might depict a coriander seed, but we cannot approach it from an etymological direction (as the origins of the word coriander [Lin B KO-RI-JA-DA-NA] are obscure).                        Otherwise, if we don’t accept the reading DO for Lin A*79, we could still try a similar value like DWA. That would not invalidate the etymology, and could give a solution for the pressing problem of having two Linear B signs when Lin A had just one.

From Various Versions of the Linear A Libation Formula, again, but now in …

http://www.academia.edu/…/Various_Versions_of_the_Linear_A_Libation_Formula_again_…  Next, na-ta-n$-ti6 (with a solar variant of L 101 or AB 79 zu in its, against the background of its origin from the Cretan hieroglyphic “eye” [= solar symbol, cf. the “all …            Anatolian go the same way,                                    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/deyw%C3%B3s                Anatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”)

  • Lycian: ziw
  • Lydian: Divi-
  • Luwian: tiwat (“a sun god”)
  • Palaic: tiyaz, tiuna                                                                                                                   But Luwians gos that eye sign to mean eye.Ti,eye,related to I.E.di/ti root for light:”ti6”=eye

3 articles on Celtiberian (Sasamón), Luwian hieroglyphic (Mira), and … http://www.academia.edu/…/3_articles_on_Celtiberian_Sasamón_Luwian_hieroglyphic_Mir…                                                                                                        another early Cretan hieroglyphic inscription in combina- tion with the spider4 as an alternative means to render the titular expression usually occurring in form of 044-046 “trowel-adze” or 044-005 “trowel-eye” pi-tı¯ or pi-ti6 = Egyptian bi’ty “king” (Fig. 6). Furthermore, it ultimately …

From Pre-Mycenaean Greeks in Crete | iurii mosenkis – Academia.edu

http://www.academia.edu/24600947/Pre-Mycenaean_Greeks_in_Crete                                             qu > z (Linear A zo ‘spear’ and zu ‘eye‘) similar to Phrygian qu > k (que > ke,Mycenaean que, Greek te).

From http://new-indology.blogspot.ro/2016/12/sumerian-and-indo-european-multifarious.html Nirjhar00727 December 2016 at 04:13

This is interesting . We already had the related discussion . In Sumerian there is UTU , in epsd it is given as utu-e3 “sunrise” , utu-šu2-uš; utu-šuš2 “sunset; the West”. There is also a ki’utu [LOCUS] ki-dutu “a cultic location; a ritual”. Not sure about the ritual . but if we read Bomhard there he gives this :
233. Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay– (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy– (~ *t’ey-):
(vb.) *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to
burn brightly’;
(n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;
Kota ti·y- (ti·c-) ‘to be singed, roasted’; Toda ti·y- (ti·s-) ‘to be singed’, ti·y-
(ti·c-) ‘to singe, to roast’; Kannaḍa tī ‘to burn, to scorch, to singe, to
parch’; Telugu tīṇḍrincu, tī͂ḍirincu ‘to shine’, tīṇḍra ‘light, brightness,
heat’; Brahui tīn ‘scorching, scorching heat’, tīrūnk ‘spark’. Burrow—
Emeneau 1984:285, no. 3266.
B. Proto-Indo-European *t’ey-/*t’oy-/*t’i- ‘to shine, to be bright’: Sanskrit
dī́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’, devá-ḥ ‘(n.) a deity, god; (adj.) heavenly, divine’, dyótate ‘to
shine, to be bright or brilliant’, dyáuḥ ‘heaven, sky, day’, divá-ḥ ‘heaven,
sky, day’, divyá-ḥ ‘divine, heavenly, celestial; supernatural, wonderful,
magical; charming, beautiful, agreeable’, dīpyáte ‘to blaze, to flare, to
shine, to be luminous or illustrious; to glow, to burn’, dīptá-ḥ ‘blazing,
flaming, hot, shining, bright, brilliant, splendid’, dína-ḥ ‘day’; Greek δῖος
heavenly; noble, excellent; divine, marvelous’, Ζεύς ‘Zeus, the sky-god’;
Armenian tiw ‘day’; Latin diēs ‘day’, deus ‘god’; Old Irish die ‘day’; Old
Icelandic teitr ‘glad, cheerful, merry’, tívorr (pl. tívar) ‘god’; Old English
Tīw name of a deity identified with Mars; Lithuanian dienà ‘day’, diẽvas
‘god’, dailùs ‘refined, elegant, graceful’; Old Church Slavic dьnь ‘day’;
Hittite (dat.-loc. sg.) šiwatti ‘day’, (gen. sg.) ši-(i-)ú-na-aš ‘god’; Luwian
(acc. pl.) ti-wa-ri-ya ‘sun’, (nom. sg.) Ti-wa-az name of the sun-god (=
Sumerian ᵈUTU, Akkadian ŠAMŠU, Hittite Ištanu-); Hieroglyphic Luwian
SOL-wa/i-za-sa (*Tiwats or *Tiwazas) name of the sun-god; Palaic (nom.
sg.) Ti-ya-az(-)
…..,,,
C. Etruscan tin ‘day’, tiu, tiv-, tiur ‘moon, month’; Rhaetic tiu-ti ‘to the
moon’.
Sumerian dé ‘to smelt’, dé, dè, dè-dal ‘ashes’, dè, diû ‘glowing embers’, dèdal-
la ‘torch’, diû ‘to flare up, to light up; to be radiant, shining; to sparkle, to
shine’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
Buck 1949:1.51 sky, heavens; 1.52 sun; 1.53 moon; 1.84 ashes; 1.85 burn
(vb.); 14.41 day; 14.71 month; 15.56 shine; 16.71 good (adj.); 16.81 beautiful
(also pretty). Caldwell 1913:620. Bomhard—Kerns 1994:303—304, no. 119.
Different (unlikely) etymology in Dolgopolsky to appear, no. 2241, *tiʔû ‘to
shine, to be bright, to be seen’.
…………………………………………………………………….                                                                          Perhaps we have an Indo-European related Sun divinity in Sumerian?.                              So, my theory(someh-how like the big-bang theory wich by common-sense reasoning advanced this hipothesys of an original emergency point)’                                                         -so in a simylar way, but with twoo way strong evidences, in the same way I go back trough the time:                                                                                                                                     -pre euphratean stage,UNKNOWN !                                                                                          Proto-Nostratic root *t’ay- (~ *t’ǝy-) or *t’iy- (~ *t’ey-)                                                                    Proto-Euphratean (n.) *t’ay-a or *t’iy-a ‘light, brightness, heat’
A. Dravidian: Tamil tī, tīy ‘to be burnt, charred, blighted’; Malayalam tī ‘fire’;
Euphratean Sum. di ‘to shine‘, PIE *diH/daiH/diw- ‘to shine, glitter; day, Sun; god’                   -proto Indo-european stage *t’ay- or *t’iy- ‘to shine, to gleam, to be bright, to glitter, to glow; to burn brightly’                                                                                                              Anatolian IAnatolian: *diu- (“daylight god”)                                                                            -proper IE stage,Sanskrit
́deti ‘to shine, to be bright; to shine forth, to excel, to please, to be
admired’                                                                                                                                          
Averrage aproximate time-line(by me)                                                                                        Proto-Nostratic-Nostratic15.000-12.000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languagesThe hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.[2] Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period.[3]                                                                                                             Proto-euphratean (unknown) :12.000-7000 BC ! OLD EUROPE!                                                                          Mixed Euphratean-Proto-I.E. -Archaic Sumero-tamil stage:7000-3500 BCOLD EUROPE!                                                                                                                                         Proto-Aegean/EBA Cycladic stage:3500-2500 B.C.                                                                      Full IE:2500-1500 B.C. (2500 Minoan was not full-IE)                                                       Anatolian(Indo-Hittite) 2500-1000 B.C.   Minoan/mixed/unknown/Linear A:2500-2000 Eteocretan,Hieroglyphic Cretan                                                                                               Linear B 2.200-1000B.C.(start of greek language)                                                              Archaic Greek:1500-500 BC; Homeric: 500BC >1                                                               Koine:1> 500A.D.                                                                                                *******************   Danubian/Old European Gods   ****************************                    Despite the fact that T’ay /t’iy/t’ey/t’ei/T’iy/T’iy-a/Ti,                                                           And could have such a “T/Ti” deity,there are many evidences of a linguistic change, Ti > Di so as had egyptians Ti related deities,we could hav an IE “Di” starting deity.In such long-distance ancient times they not have an structured-organised panteon of gods by logical order.They had (many?) deities folowing not a structured order,but folowing exact their stringent practical needs (warm,feeding..)                                                                                   So ,out of other many possible Gods and Goddesses and their denominations,(e.g.Bird-Mother-Goddess)this-one could be one of their gods related to living(easy catch fish feeding):                                                                                                                                    BelBrdo/Serbia=(brdo/twrdo”whirlpool)” 6500BC old dwelling Danube site :http://portalenportalen.blogspot.com/2015/02/vinca-culture.html                                                                                                                                          DAG :”(make a living=fertility)god”?With some-how celestian origin,  DAG-AN: (shine-sky):“Sky-God”(old hebrew DAGON)?                                                                                  Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure                                                   This “creature”is the same with : http://www.pagannews.com/cgi-bin/wpgods3.pl?Dagon                                                                                                                                               From Nostratic Etymological Index Cover – bulgari-istoria http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/NostraticEtymologicalIndex.pdf                                                            ProtoNostratic (n.) *da- ‘mother, sister‘; (reduplicated) (n.) *da-da- ‘mother, sister’ (nursery words). 144. ProtoNostratic root *dab- (~ *dǝb-):. (vb.) *dab- ‘to make fast, to join together, to fit together, to fasten (together)‘;. (n.) *dab-a ‘joining, fitting, fastening’. 145. ProtoNostratic root *dag (~ *dǝg-):. (vb.) dag– ‘to put, to place, …                            From Dagon – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon                                                  A long-standing association with the word for “fish” dâg, perhaps going back to the Iron Age, has led to an interpretation as a “fish-god”, and the association of “merman” motifs in Assyrian art (such as the “Dagon” relief found by Austen Henry Layard in the 1840s). The god’s name was, however, more likely derived from a …                                             From Diakonoff – External Connections of the Sumerian Language | Plural …https://www.scribd.com/…/Diakonoff-External-Connections-of-the-Sumerian-Langua…  … question (probably the ProtoIndoEuropeans); the new tribes ousted the backward ….. 15. dag ‘clean,washed, dadag ‘clean’ 16. ene, ane …                                                       From Sumerian Lexicon  https://azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/pan_turkist…/sumeriandictionaryreliable.pdf by JA Halloran – ‎                                                                                                         Sumerian…… dág: brilliant; pure; clean (‘to go out’ + aga(3), ‘diadem, circlet, crown’). dig: v., to …                                                                                                                                       From New Indology: Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection                    new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html                                                                                                                      Sum. dag, dadag ‘(to be) bright; to clean; (ritually) pure, PIE *dhagwh- ‘to burn, shine, Old Saxon, Middle Dutch, Dutch dag, Gothic dags ‘day’, Tocharian A tsāk- ‘to shine, give light’, AB cok ‘lamp’, Old Irish daig ‘fire’, Old Prussian dagis ‘summer’, Lith. degti ‘to burn’, Skt. dahati ‘to burn’,dagdha ‘burnt’, …

 

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,Upper half,astonishing findings.

April 2, 2018

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET, UPPER HALF,ASTONISHING FINDINGS

TartRound

From https://cogniarchae.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/tablet.jpg?w=300&resize=559%2C372

Archeologists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini and others) after detailed analysis of on-field conditions and circumstances along with the artefacts found close-by advanced as possible story or scenario that is one of the folowings :
– an death/burial or hero/ancestor worshipping ritual
– an foundation ritual
– an usual/common religious,propitiating ritual for some God(s) performed by the Lady Tartaria=priestess when alive.
See at the finish of my paper excerpts from different related studies.
See the left quarter,

Firs sign is (see folowing image,…Nu,6,3-rd)?
all-unknown-cretan-seal-symbols

Also,see https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cretan-tablet-malia-palace-map-hi-021.jpg

in linear A the sign “NU” http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/S_qxpdDgI3I/AAAAAAAAAbA/QcXKTDMye5A/s160 Image from https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/wheat/

0/Linear-A-base.jpg  

 

If linear A “NU” is like folowing,

PDF https://azargoshnasp.net › sumd › sumeri…
by JA Halloran
B. Alster, Proverbs of Ancient Sumer: The World’s Earliest Proverb Collections, 2 vols; …… nud, nú: to lie down; to lie together with ( with -da-); to lay down (with -ni-); to sleep; to …

Linear A,”PA2=PAi”?

Folowing sign has the shape of D or P.But that letter “D,De.Di”was not invented yet!
So we take the sign as MOON/MONTH, with the reading MINI,MINU gr.MENE/MENO
So NU-MENO.Here it is appearing the word “NUMENO/NUMENO”
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor of another greek-one)

I renounce to take the sign as linear A “NU”.Just in case,as a kind of testing:

So: NU + Moon sign (MENE/MENO?)
What NUMENO stand for? So NU-MENO.This is the little known lat.NUMEN
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor ov another greek-one)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numen#Definition_as_a_pre-animistic_phase_of_religion
Numen, pl. numina, is a Latin term for “divinity”, or a “divine presence”, “divine will.” The Latin authors defined it as follows.[1] Cicero writes of a “divine mind” (divina mens), a god “wh
Etymology
Etymologically, the word means “a nod of the head”, here referring to a deity as it were “nodding”, or making its will or its presence known). According to H. J. Rose:
The literal meaning is simply “a nod”, or more accurately, for it is a passive formation, “that which is produced by nodding”, just as flamen is “that which is produced by blowing”, i.e., a gust of wind. It came to mean “the product or expression of power” — not, be it noted, power itself.[8]
Thus, numen (divinity) is not personified (although it can be a personal attribute) and should be distinguished from deus (god).[9]
Definition as a pre-animistic phase of religion
The expression Numen inest appears in Ovid’s Fasti (III, 296) and has been translated as ‘There is a spirit here’.[12] Its interpretation, and in particular the exact sense of numen has been discussed extensively in the literature.[13]
The supposition that a numinous presence in the natural world supposed in the earliest layers of Italic religion, as it were an “animistic” element left over in historical Roman religion and especially in the etymology of Latin theonyms,….

The Empire Strikes Out: Kurd Lasswitz, Hans Dominik, and the …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0879722584 William B. Fischer “Nume” may be intended to suggest, in addition, both Latin “numen,” meaning “god” or “divinity,” and Greek “noumenon,” a true ideal or entity perceived by the rational faculty, … Thus, for example, they find it necessary to give the Earthmen terrestrial equivalents of their own time units: “When will [the departure] take place?

But we don’t know for shure if the sign H with 3 bars is from cretan hieroglyphic or Linear A/B.
In linear B it stands for PA3. From https://www.tumblr.com/search/syllabaries

I new that PA,

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology Dictionary
https://www.etymonline.com/word/*pa-

.*-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to protect, feed.” It forms all or part of: antipasto; appanage; bannock; bezoar; companion; company; feed; fodder; food; forage; foray; foster; fur; furrier; impanate; pabulum; panatela; panic (n.2) “type of grass;” pannier; panocha; pantry; pastern; pastor; pasture; pester; repast; satrap.

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=2061roto-IE:
*pāy- Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology

Meaning: to guard, to graze, to feed
Hittite: pahs- (pahhas-) (II) ‘schützen, verwahren’ (Friedrich 153)
Old Indian: pati, ptc. pāta-, pāna-, aor. apāsīt `to watch, keep, preserve’; pā́- (in comp.) m. `keeping, guarding’, pāyú- m. `guard, protector’, pāla- m. `guard, protector, keeper’, pāvan- (in comp.) `protecting’, pātár- n. `defending, defender’; nŕ̥-pīti- f. `protection of men’, nr̥-pa- m. `protector of men, king’
Old Greek: ep. pōü, -eos n. `Schafherde’, poimen, -énos m. `Hirt, Schafhirt’, pói̯mnǟ f. `(Schaf)herde’; pō̂ma n. `Deckel (an Kasten, Krügen, Köchern etc.)’

PA, as single,could mean (PA,proto indoeuropean root for protection):
gods | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/gods/
Then on the second line he uses the ideogram for “she goat”, again followed by the number 1 and by the syllabogram PA right truncated. If all this seems a mystery to you, it is not to me. The syllabogramPA right truncated on the second line almost certainly means pasi teoi = to all the gods, which in turn implies sapaketeriya …

If so,:PA+ MENO. My first association is gr. POIMEN :”shepperd”

Foreword: The return of ethnographic theory – The University of …
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.14318/hau1.1.001
shepherd of people” (in Greek, poimen laon), the term laos expressing a personal bond between king as guide …. the plurality of life and its beings appears as a singularity and b) a figure of vital externality, through ….. eventfulness embedded within images [1990b]; the partial and non-linear nature of knowledge [1991a]); .
..
But is PAMEN with PA not with O,besides it is appearing I.No problem with I cause PA could be read Pa.Pai etc.

[PDF]F I L I P P O F E R L A U T O
http://www.dtesis.univr.it/documenti/OccorrenzaIns/…/matdid501333.pdf
; questi segni avevano valore …. (a, e, i, o, u) per sillabe aperte (consonante + vocale) quali聽pa, pe, pi, po, pu, … indica la quantit, n tanto meno il grado di apertura che la quantit.

I found written form PA-MEN (=Poimen?)=”Shepperd?”

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm
KN He (06) 03 is a medallion with two faces inscribed and two numbers. One of the faces reads:
Pameni po-lo 100
The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos)
Please also note that the pictogram for pa looks like a house (cf. Minoan pa-na-so,
place of the house/temple)

Po-me=poimen po-me-no=poimenos, po-me-ne=poimenei

!! This shepperd is the very silhuette on pictographic tablet found together with the other twoo tablets.(Also there you have the grain sign “TE”,and kind of ibex/wild goat)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
Gr.NEMOs
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
The reading of the left quarter is PA-MENO (cf.pameni,pammenos =pan/pam menos=all months)
THIS YEAR http://www.omda.bg/uploaded_files/images/ezernia-grad/7.jpg

“PROTECT, GRAZE, TO FEED, POIMEN/Shepperd” are consistent with the pictographic tablet found near-by (out of total of three),On the tablet there are depiced: an vegetal motif, kind of human silhuette? and a goat.

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RIGHT SIDE (RIGHT QUADRANT)

Upper sign, +++++,it is grain,wheat,sitos,”TE” From https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linear_B_Syllable_B004_TE.svg 

As has more than three strokes (5 or ^) Could be Te-TE?

See sign “TE” in Linear A:
http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm 

Definition of “inscription” By convention, an “inscription” is defined as two or more signs in conjunction, a word. A single sign may be an abbreviation of a word (e.g., Linear B o for o-pe-ro, “owed”, “deficit”), or, commonly in Linear A, a transaction sign, like sign *42 A (“to” NAME?) and TE (“from”? NAME).

http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v053.htm In the Minoan Linear A inscription, there are many aids to help the modern reader. First of all, there are loan words from different languages. For instance, the abbreviation “te,” commonly used on the tablets, has convincingly been shown by Jan Best and Fred Woudhuizen to be an abbreviation of an expression “telu” which appears to be related to an Assyrian word meaning delivery (Best and Woudhuizen 1988, 24).
First signs,D D don’t know what meaning to atribute them,as long as D-shape sign was not yet invented,
So the single solution is to think as the MOON-sign,wit the reading “MENO”.
But here I think the meaning it is not intended to moon or month but to its basic meaning :”constant,continous”or others direct derived.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%89
μένω • (ménō)
1.I stay, wait
1.(in battle) I stand fast
2.I stay where I am
3.I lodge
4.I tarry; I loiter, am idle
5.(of things) I am lasting; I remain, stand
6.(of condition) I remain
7.I abide by

8.(impersonal, with infinitive) it remains quotations ▼
2.(of persons) I await, expect quotations ▼
1.I wait for (accusative) to (infinitive)
Romanian:
A MANa :”to drive”raMAN:”remain”
A MANa :”stay,remain,LODGE”

So:”I(remain,abide)”; MENO,MENO-an,MINOAN”
my rendering “remain,abide
Now,interesting:some 7 years before I noticed that the upper sign gas a line to the second D.

You can see clear on picture.Whoever made the above drawing not made an accurate-one.See again what I am telling about:

At that time, I wondered if (line) intended or not.I told this to Mr.Marco Merlini.Not responded or much interested.
Now see: the upper sign is rendered in Linear A/B as :”TE”.Beeing binded/ligatured wit “D”-moon-shape we have:
TE+MENO,wich is TEMENO gr.TEMENOS:”shrine,temple”

priestess | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
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we find that the last supersyllabogram, TE, may readily and realistically rendered as temeno, which in Mycenaean Greek means “a temple”.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/temenos
A piece of land marked off from common uses and assigned as an official domain, especially to a king, chief, or god.
· A sacred circle where one can be oneself without fear.

Relating to the King MINOS,
MYNOS (MUNOS,MINOS,MENOS), his name is related to:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
μένος • (ménos) n (genitive μένεος or μένους); third declension
1.mind
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
3.anger
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
6.violence
As in romanian language we have:
1.MINte/MINte,MENtal (mind/to lie,of the mind)
4.MANdrie
5.6.MANios (gr.MANiakos)

Citadel to City-State: The Transformation of Greece, 1200-700 B.C.E.
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Carol G. Thomas, Craig Conant ·
The term appears in Linear B as te- me-no and refers to lands given to, or owned by, a god, the wanax (as in wa-na-ke-te-ro te-me- no), or the lawagetas (as in ra-wa-ke-si-jo …

The signs: “OO” or “OC”?

Could be numbers:

Thus: o o – | | o would be 312 and o o in Linear B,would be 200.

Table 5 Table of 27 supersyllabograms in Minoan Linear A. KEY to supersyllabograms in Linear A: fi = figs. gr = grains (wheat). ma = man, person. oo = olivesVvocabulary | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
https://linearbknossosmycenae.com

What with the latest signs OO,OC ?
If OC,first is the linear A “KE”

From http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_a_qIRGD3pJ0/TLm7HKEeR6I/AAAAAAAAAhM/UMyNjulXVNg/s1600/KA-QE-sign-evolution.jpg

Second it is in the same linear A,the moon :”MENO”
KE-MENO !?
What does it mean?

id you mean: kemono linguistics
Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro › books
Bela Brogyanyi, Thomas Krömmelbein ·IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven. po3.uni-koeln.de › sites › hvs › pdfs by Y DUHOUX · Cited by 34 · Related articles It does not help that except for Linear B none of the languages written in. Greece in …. which sees in qe-ja-me-no a title / kweyamenos/ ‘révérend, honoré’ (cf. tíw ‘ honour, revere …

KE-ME-NO is the greek KEiMENO?….radher opion is for qe-ja-me-no.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9
κεῖμαι • (keîmai)
1.to lie, lie outstretched
1.to lie asleep, repose, lie idle, lie still
2.to lie sick or wounded, lie in misery
3.to lie dead
4.to lie neglected, uncared for, unburied
5.(of wrestlers) to have a fall
2.(of places) to lie, be situated
1.(of things) to lie in a place
3.to be laid up, be in store (of goods, property, etc.)
4.to be set up, proposed
1.(of laws) to be laid down
2.(of arguments) to be laid down
3.(of names) to be given
5.(figuratively)
1.to be in the power of
2.to be in such a manner
3.to be
4.to settle down, deposit a sediment
5.(grammar, of words and phrases) to be found, to occur

On the Weaving of Texts – Glossologics
https://alexpolistigers.wordpress.com › …
Nov 26, 2013 · It is κείμενο ( keimeno), from κείμαι (keimai), meaning “lie, be placed”, and is … Similarly logical, leaving the Indo-European family and travelling to .
I think kemeno/keimeno are related to kome and comates,residents of come(village),but here are residents of a much large area Minoan/Mycenaean area.

Corpus of Mycenaean Inscriptions from Knossos:
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0521320224
John Chadwick, ‎L. Godart, ‎J. T. Killen  [ .5 ] ko-me-no vir 1[ ] no-do-ro-we D A [ • • • .2 Traces at left, perhaps ]re ; perhaps …

Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027235260
Bela Brogyanyi, ‎Thomas Krömmelbein – 1986 – ‎Language Arts & Disciplines
1887), and many of the other early constructors of the Indo-European edifice. Historical linguistics has persevered within the petrifying framework of derivational continua: *X > *Y > Z; IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven.

Whole upper half:
+++++ = TE=”From”
THIS (Thing empowered,with) lie,placed (text) YEAR God’s power and Will REMAIN,ABIDE TEMPLE 200?HEAVEN(of) the Sky)?sun&MOON?’
? THIS YEAR REMAIN PLACED TEMPLE ?
From the archeological site items and data some scientists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini) got clues that the deceased female was a high-revered in comunity and has a high social position and was a priestess,wich performed religious rituals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Ionians
The “Proto-Ionians” first appear in the work of Ernst Curtius (1887), who believed that the Attic-Ionic dialect group was due to an “Ionicization” of Attica by immigration from Ionia in historical times. Curtius hypothesized that there had been a “Proto-Ionian” migration from the Balkans to western Anatolia in the same period that brought the Arcadic dialect (the successor of the Mycenean Greek stage yet undiscovered in the time of Curtius) to mainland Greece.[2] Curtius’ hypothesis was endorsed by George Hempl in 1920.[3] Hempl preferred to call these hypothetical, early Anatolian Greeks “Javonians”. Hempl attempted to defend a reading of Hittite cuneiform as Greek, in spite of the establishment of the Hittite language as a separate branch of Indo-European by Hrozný in 1917…………………………..The tripartite theory was revived by amateur linguist Jean Faucounau. In his view, the first Greek settlers in their historical territory were the (Pelasgic) “proto-Ionians”, who were separated around 3000 BC from both the proto-Dorians and the proto-Mycenaeans. Faucounau traces this three-wave model to similar views put forward by Paul Kretschmer in the 1890s and the 1900s (i.e., before the decipherment of Linear B), with a modification: the (proto-Ionic) First wave came by sea, the “Proto-Ionians” settling first in the Cycladic Islands, then in Euboea and Attica. The last two waves are the generally accepted arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks (the linguistic predecessors of the Arcadocypriot speakers) in around 1700 BC and the Dorian invasion around 1100 BC. …………….Faucounau’s addition to this is the argument that Crete is also too far south, that the names of the constellations are (Ionic) Greek, not Minoan, and therefore that the constellation makers must be the proto-Ionians in the Cyclades.[13] The south coast of Crete follows 35°N latitude; Syros, which he identifies as a center of proto-Ionian civilization,[14] is at 37°20′.[15] On this basis, he identifies the proto-Ionians with the archaeological Early Cycladic II culture: after all, they made round “frying pans,” and one of them with an incised spiral, and the Phaistos Disc is round with an incised spiral.[16]
His third argument depends on Herodotus’s somewhat obscure use of the word Pelasgian for various peoples, Greek-speaking and otherwise, around the Aegean basin. Faucounau claims that the word, which he derives idiosyncratically from πελαγος, “sea”,[17] means the descendants of the proto-Ionians. Some of them lost their language because they settled among foreigners; others, such as the Athenians, preserved their language – Attic, apparently, arises from a mixture of proto-Ionian and other dialects. He does not explain why Homer speaks of Dodona, inland in north-western Greece, as Pelasgian (Il, 16,233); nor why no place in historic Ionia is called Pelasgian.

http://paleoglot.blogspot.ro/2008/02/proto-aegean-what-i-mean-and-what-i.html

So now let’s draw a circle around Greece, Western Anatolia, Cyprus, Crete and the Aegean islands. We then start to see the linguistic pattern that I’m getting at. An entire language family forgotten in the mists of time and modern-day mystery mongering. What’s somewhat irritating to me and which should be irritating to you, the reader, is how we have an ‘Etruscan mystery’, a ‘Minoan mystery’, an ‘Eteo-Cretan mystery’ and an ‘Eteo-Cypriot mystery’ going on at the same time. If you research any one of these subjects, you’ll get next to nothing on their languages or their translations. It’s all “Who knows?” and “What if?”. Why is this region and this time period such a freakin’ mystery? Is it really because we lack information to piece it all together or is it because our power of concentration lacks get-up-and-go to solve problems without the use of a computer crutch?
Anyways, this is what I mean by “Proto-Aegean”. It sits there before you readers, waiting to be developed further.
https://e-edu.nbu.bg/pluginfile.php/727675/mod_resource/content/1/Chadwick%20%20Baumbach%201963%20-%20The%20Mycenaean%20Greek%20Vocabulary.pdf
Hpa e-ra PY Tn 316; female recipient of offerings, coupled with Zeus: dat. Hêrâi [Docs. 126, 289; Heubeck, IP 66. 223]. Note 1 : e-ra at KN is a place-name. Note 2: This spelling eliminates the proposed etymology from *”Hqfa; see Frisk, GEW. Discussion of the name : Schroder, Gymnasium 63. 67 ; van Windekens, Glotta 36. 309 ff.

The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period
Gallou, Chrysanthi (2003) The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period. PhD thesis, University of Nottingham. http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/ http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/11184/1/289316.pdf
The identification of any given symbol or symbolic system should be classified in terms of human action and behaviour at a religious and/or funerary level, with reference to the context of occurrence.Given the problem of divergence in interpretation, a more reliable reading should be dictated by a morphological, syntactic and contextual analysis, and the awareness of the extent to which the interpreter’s preconceptions on the matter are introduced to the examination of past symbolism. Contextual, morphological and syntactic analysis of the symbolic element or system followed by cross-examination, cross-referencing and criticism of the hermeneutic model will underwrite to a significant degree the reliability of the interpretation.
Me: so signs are close-related to one specific concrete situation composed,it is a sum of unique concrete elements
xupoç ku-ro2 KNU0478, PY Ea 814 (dat.); gen. ku-ro2-jo KN B 822; MN: prob. Kurios [Docs. 420].TartRound

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET. Sumerian approach.1

April 2, 2018

TART.S ROUND SUMTART.S ROUND SUM

                      TARTARIA ROUND TABLET Not 100% sumerian signs !

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET: Picture, fromhttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD5kOPzyRbCx16SOHNYI_JFdR5kACAdzi4Fc_rqu4_ayIAqf0u

TartRound
Tablet replica made by myself:

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Some days before I revised/overhauled the “sumerian aproach” of the tablet signs.(To be noticed, before I made three ways/kind of aproaches for every sign in the tablet:              1.as icons & logograms                                                                                                                       2. as logograms,and                                                                                                                         3.as syllabograms&letters)

My surprise was that all the signs were found in proto-cuneiform sumerian signs list.
From technical point of view, my opinion is that upon the signs seems not to be scrachted or drawn by an native sumerian. One know they used round sticks/styluses, and at least made numbers even in prot-writing phase by imprinting.Only the rest of the signs were made by scratching. Here we have not much the case, all the signs are scratched.

Out of a rude approach, is not my intention to read and interpret exactly the signs and message, cause:

– “If” could be sumerian signs the difficulty is great especially due the fact that we have pre-cuneiform an single sign had multiple meanings.It seems that they extracted the close meaning as resulting from the context. Consequently, the meaning/message in proto-writing=proto-cuneiform stage, could not be exactly determined,
– I have no necessary level of expertise, as Damerow,J.Dahl, R.Englund, A.A.Vaiman and al.

When I get close to those tablets some 10 years before I was strucked by the close ressemblance to letters.
Out of some 2 max.3 signs wich was very difficult to be included, the tablets could be read in every of three writing systems :                                                                                         1. sumerian                                                                                                                                           2. Linear A,B                                                                                                                                             3.archaic greek alphabets

From those 3 signs I give twoo exemple:
–  1.bow-arrow sign and 2. “>>” sign for archaic greek reading ; 3.D shape signs(those signs were used much intensevely in carian, not to mention that there are equal chances to be written by carians ;
When I counted the signs carian won upon archaic greek… but carian signs were taken from greeks! So upon the expected age of the tablets,not sufficent old)

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Proto-Cuneiform Picture-Writing ::  First Attempts At Writing

<< Around halfway through the Uruk Period, about 150 years into the Late Uruk Period which spans from about 3500-3100 BCE (bringing us to about 3350 BCE) is when we begin to see the first examples of writing. The Sumerians first attempts were all pictographic in nature. Meaning that when they first attempted to record ideas and concepts in a physical symbolic fashion, they began to do so by drawing pictures of the things that they were attempting to represent.

Their medium of choice was clay, which they would fashion into small rectangles (which were shaped somewhat like little pillows) which the accountant-scribe would scratch the glyphs into with the stalk of a reed which had been cut down to the right size. That was all the stylus they needed. Though in a couple of centuries they would eventually sharpen one end of the reed into a triangular shape for a more precise “sketching-edge” which in actuality was destined to revolutionize the whole nature of the script. >>

So we have all the signs on Tartaria tablets scratched (as does sumerians in that early stage) , no one imprinted as used sumerians for proto-cuneiform numbers !

<< Proto-Cuneiform Number Systems

For example, if you look right you will see that a small circular impression meant “10” while a conical impression stood for “1”.>>

Proto-Cuneiform Sexagesimal Number Signs                                                                                               They scraped the cereal/bread sign “ninda” (lowest, middle near the head sign)  https://www.laarchaeology.org/the-beginning-of-history/

 but not numerals/numbers !

See imprinted numerals “1′ in proto-cuneiform stage !                                                 From The Tower of Babel Cuneiform in the Fertile Crescent, 3100-500 BCE http://literatureandhistory.com/index.php/episode-001-the-tower-of-babel

 

**********************************                                                                                                  Ooops!                                                                                                                                                Some fellows encountered same difficultyies with D-shape signs, but even when choosed to equate D-signs with moon , not continued and in the rest is quite out of matter.                                                                                                                                                                         From https://cogniarchae.com/2015/10/29/tartaria-tablets-connection-between-vinca-and-proto-linear-b-script/
So now, the hardest part. What are these D and O shaped signs. Even though they look like Latin letters, we don’t really see them in Linear scripts. EXCEPT in their measuring system.                                                                                                                                                   In some texts I read on the Tărtăria tablets sign “D” is represented as a symbol of the moon. It is interesting to see that in Linear B it represents volume, possibly given on a monthly bases. The second thing that is important to mention is that other signs represented in the lower part of the picture mean units of measurement. At the same time have phonetic value. (ie PE, ZE, MO…) So it is safe to say that if our D  sign was really a unit of measurement, it also had a phonetic value. If so, what could it be? I believe it could be MO, even though MO is already a value of a different sign on a picture above.”
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At the first glance one take notice of the cross division of the tablet or equal-cross drawn lines.
There are many opinions regarding the cross sign origin and supposed attached meaning in the course of the history.
For exemple the very begining, out of some paleolithic carvings, sumerians used very early round tokens with cross inscribed wich they used to record and mean sheep.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

UTUsheep

UDU~b sheep/  From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

MAS also has a cross shape MAS:”many”? From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

                                                                                                                                         From Sumerian Lexicon http://www.istor-konf-varna.com/history/JAH_SumLex_ALL.pdf de JA HALLORAN –                                                                                                                                    máš: n., extispicy (divination based on the entrails of a sacrificed animal); sacrificial animal [MAŠ2.

A Descriptive Grammar of Sumerian – IS MU https://is.muni.cz/www/408176/38744863/A_Descriptive_Grammar_of_Sumerian.pdf       de JW White  ….. the noun maš or máš ‘kid‘ 

From http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf                                                           It is the sign “LU”:”to be abundant”

https://sites.utexas.edu/dsb/tokens/tokens-and-writing-the-cognitive-development/
Tokens and Writing: the Cognitive Development Denise Schmandt Besserat

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT8nkUrTh98KiJibBXxbr0YZ9D3DLZy7yQ_2YLW9JrBOTQQcuo

But the cross was also the sun-god icon

From https://www.naturepagan.com/babylonian-and-assyrian-translations : (“the Sun tablet”)

Cause of the sun-cross relation the round Tartaria tablet was nicknamed:” Tablita-Soare”(rom.) “THE SUN TABLET”
This cross was found also in Egypt related to Osiris and ressurection.
The Sun, resurection and its related icon and cross icon were before and at the origin of christian religion.

1-st QUARTER

First will begin with lower-right quarter.                                                                                        ( OVERALL DIRECTION OF READING,COUNTER-CLOCKWISE ! )                                      Picture of the quarter,taken from Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets /Keith Massey http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.ro/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

LOW-RIGHT

See the red sign Tart RED  or here, No.6:

TRoundNumbered

For me this shape is conducting me to the idea of kind of portable altar with flames on upper side:

Note. Many other researcher have same opinion !

But in fact the sign is SZA

sza

Another researcher (Andi Kaulins) found also SA,
http://lingwhizt.blogspot.com/2011/03/syllabic-grid-of-ancient-scripts-su.html                          —————————————————————————————————                                      The second sign near-by on the right side seems to be the icon of a sky-deity
Somebody article (to be checked!)

sumSUNAbode
The Symbol of Shamash http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds17.html
”Given that the 1st Century Romans had inexplicably re-launched the Persian cult of Mithras, a ‘sun-god’ whose ritual practices had much in common with Early Christianity, then it may be equally possible that this coin carries forward the very ancient tradition of the Mesopotamian winged disc.  However, I would question the bland assumption that all these symbols represent the Sun.
For instance, the shrine at Larsa devoted to the ‘sun-god’ Utu/Shamash is represented by quite different symbolism, that of ‘the crescent-with-sun-disc on top of an altar or tower temple with water at its base’  (4).  This symbol includes two stars above the upturned crescent.  The Egyptologist David Rohl notes that these depictions were often rotated to become more recognisable cuneiform symbols.

Thus, if we rotate this Shamash’s early symbol from Larsa 180 degrees, we obtain a disc within a crescent, accompanied by two stars.  We seem to have the archetypal Mesopotamian and ancient Egyptian winged disc, complete with its two uraei.  These uraei are two ‘divine cobras’ that are often shown as smaller discs attached to the central disc by two wavy lines.  All of these symbols, then, appear to have a common framework, and this is in keeping with the Roman coin.”

But when checked.…great pleasing surprise”:
A Companion to Greek Mythology https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1444396935
Ken Dowden, ‎Niall Livingstone -Thus, the Akkadian Nergal (god of the Underworld) may have been viewed as meaning ‘Lord of the Great City (Sumerian EN.URU.GAL).14 The Ugaritic Mot was king of this subterranean city: … (KTU 1.5 ii 13–16) This ‘concave kingdom’ is described in words which parodied the mountain dwelling of Baal, king of the gods.
From http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/657/
Name Cuneiform Additional information Source
Enuru
(den-uru2) Retinue of Šamaš RlA2/p40

From http://enenuru.net/html/misc/enensilugal.htm

En [En]  close to priest-lord

http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/142/city-seals-early-political-alliances#ixzz58xP8fo57

This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:

Read more: http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/142/city-seals-early-political-alliances#ixzz58xP8fo57
This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:

“unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple” Akk. mākalû; mūšabu; usukku; šubtu”

Any case, it is the sign of an astral god/goddess, like Astarte,Tanit or minoan-micenaean Asasara.                                                                                                                   Image from    http://thingsinthree.blogspot.com/2011/07/before-tertius.html

 

From FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN  DOCUMENTS IN MINOAN LUWIAN, SEMITIC, AND PELASGIAN                         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MlXuANT4kcZHS4RZCLwSj1TS_lNP-JJaO9dfHtIqmI0/edit  

  . From a linguistic point of view, Nikolas Platon has suggested that the root a-sa-sa-ra may well be compared to the Phoenician divine name Asherat.46 In line with this suggestion, Jan Best—who for the divine name also pointed to Asherah from the Old Testa- ment—explained the enclitic element -me or -ma as a particle com- parable to Ugaritic -m as in balm “oh Baal!” and ilm “oh Il!”. ………………………..

       As it seems, then, both the divine name and the grammatical features of the Linear A formula (y)a-sa-sa-ra.me or ya-sa-sa-ra-ma oh Asherah!” are Old Phoenician. A similar conclusion no doubt holds good for its hiero- glyphic predecessor from the Early Minoan III/Middle Minoan I tran- sitional period (c. 2000 BC), now readable as a-sa1-sa1-ra-me or a- sa1-sa1-ra.me “Oh Asherah!” (the case with the punctuation mark in form of a hook concerns # 252 as depicted in Fig. 6a, no. I)…………………………                                                     Cretan hieroglyphic 30 of Asherah served as an asylum for international trade. More in general, the zealous veneration of the goddess may be compared to the predilection of the miners in Sinai for Baaalat of which their inscriptions in the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet, variously dated c. 1850 BC, c. 1600 BC or c. 1500 BC, bear testimony.

SO, IT IS SURE, MY SUPOSITION THAT THE SIGN IS THAT OF A CELESTIAL FEMALE DEITY as Baaalat / ASHERAH / Tanit (wich in turn, or beside it is related to mining and trade) IS RIGHT !! More than this, the tablets could be brought by a metalurgist,prospector,trader? from the south-east !

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SECOND QUARTER

Upper-Right
(counter-clockwise)

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s1600/NEgrid.JPG

Upper sign, +++++ If we think in Old Danubian script terms,

Din The Number System of the Old European Script Eric Lewin Altschuler, M.D., Ph.D. https://arxiv.org/html/math/0309157v1

“Also common is the comb motif (Table 1) with three to eight teeth 33 inscriptions. As the comb motif is used with so many different numbers of teeth and as the comb inscriptions seem to be used in a similar manner, and are found in similar places on pottery as the score mark inscriptions, we think these signs also denote numbers. We translate a comb with n (3 ≤ n ≤ 8) teeth as 10+n. Other possibilities are the numbers or n+1 (n teeth plus the horizontal stroke), but these seem unlikely as there are already signs for n and n+1 (n or n+1 score marks).”

Deci 10+5=15 sau 5 (5+1/2=5,5?)

La sumerieni, din https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html signs ASZ2

In sumerian, the name of some numerals are : From http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numerals.html

Number 
Sumerian
Akkadian
1
diš,
 išten
2
min
 šina
3
 šalaš
4
limmu
 erbe
5
ia
 hamiš
6
 šediš

So if our sign has 5-6 comb teeth, this sign could mean phoneme or6

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm AsHur/All-seeing-one

5 mai 2000 – Inspiration for all this came out of not being able to find a Sumerian …… [191x] = 1 (“1” one numeric) | dili [227x] = (to be) singleunique, sole; …
From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm aš: one; unique; alone.              Folowing image, from https://emekurnet.wordpress.com/category/writing/

My rendering for the <5-teeth comb-like sign> is:   AS : “WHEAT”                                                   —————————————————————————————                                                     First of those “DD” (twoo D-shaped signs in the row), if is sumerian-inspired, one close  in shape, could be:
GAR  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/GAR.jpg

gar

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf NINDA(GAR):”BREAD” GAR: ”to PLACE” Nig2 (GAR) :”THING”

D D, (?Reduplicated :”GAR GAR”= “to place, lay down….” ?)

http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#a_GA
120FB  GAR, NINDA [11296x] = bread, pastry, baked, food – determinative &ninda; bread / baked items | cf. less common12252  NINDA2 | gar(gar) [2505x] = place, to put, lay down; to give in place of something, replace; to posit (math.) | nig2(nig2) [1641x] = thing, possesion; something | nindan

From TĂRTĂRIa AND THE SACRED TABLETS XC. Investigating the signs on the circular tablet https://fashiondocbox.com/Jewelry/90885882-Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html                                                                                                                                                              “The crescent moon is visible in the shape of a celestial D 1522. The variant is not recorded in the inventory of the signs of the Danube script.
It is very similar to the shape individuated by Gh.  Lazarovici with code 238f, meaning ‘fi
rst quarter of the moon’. The same sign was utilized to render the first crescent in a lunar cycle engraved on a stone around the second part of IV millennium BC
at Knowth (Boyne Valley, Ireland) 1523. The graphic concept is similar to that at the base of the ancient form of the Chinese character Yue4, meaning
’moon’. In the beginning, the pictograph was a new moon hanging in the sky. Gradually, a vertical stroke was added inside. I also assume the (sign image) as a symbol for the ‘fi
rst quarter of the moon’.The (sign image) finds partial graphic convergence with the sign 187 of the Indus script:1524 and in the ATU528 from the proto-cuneiform:(sign image)
The aforementioned sign D, which follows the, is registered in the inventory of the Danube script as DS 033.0, as previously analyzed “
Note Yes, could be “first qarter of the moon” but where’s the sign in proto-cuneiform sign lists? (Borger,Falkenstein,Yariz)

No, the first sign aforementioned by Mr. Merlini ATU528 (wich has 2 paralel strokes inside), is not as close to the real sign as the proto-cuneiform sign I’ve found:                         Much close to sign SUR (wich has an “L”-shaped sign inside!) :                                         From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

de JA Halloran

…. šursur: to rain; to produce a liquid; to flow, drip; to extract seed oil; to process wine …

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htm
Sur/Carry
Sur/Deep/furrow
Sur/Hang/down
Sur/Press/out
Sur/Squeeze
Sur/Warrior

My rendering for the first “D”-like sign is : SUR                                                                              ——————————————————————                                                                                  The next, 2-nd D cannot be found as such in proto-cuneiform UCLA sign-list. I found exactly the D-sign in Falkenstei proto-cuneiform sign list, https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/ATU1.pdf as No.527 .There has no name, nor meaning indication.

Mr. Marco Merlini’s opinion: TĂRTĂRIa AND THE SACRED TABLETS XC. Investigating the signs on the circular tablet https://fashiondocbox.com/Jewelry/90885882-Tartaria-and-the-sacred-tablets.html page 320:                                                                                                             “The D shape incised on the tablet from Tărtăria has convergences in the sign lists of many ancient systems of writing. We have mentioned some of them when discussing the D on the left quadrant. We have here to add that proto-cuneiform presents two kinds of D. We have already mentioned the rounded form D (ATU 709) when discussing this sign with a tail from the upper left quadrant. The sharp incised on the upper right quadrant finds graphic parallels with ATU 527. As substantiated in the next chapter, if the D is a lunar symbol in several early systems of writing and in rock art, at Tărtăria it stands for the Full Moon as the best suitable moment for human fecundation. So I suppose to be MOON ?

From  http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/nannasuen/?fbclid=IwAR1oqqhakRLYIfK2hrpFYWmZO8dc0jlr591mV2N2-CpFD5sHyH-MtULRge0 Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su’en or Sin in Akkadian.                                                                                                                                            My note:                                                                                                                                         There were any Akkadians in the proto-cuneiform time, but the language could be connected to akkadian and semitic.                                                                                                  ————————————————————                                                                                     Folowing, two O-s: “O O”, or “oc”

From CRYPTCRACKER cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2007/03/oldest-west-semitic-inscriptions-these.html                                                                                                                        the circle (with or without a central dot) was the standard form in the Iron Age, eventually becoming the letter O (a vowel, no longer a consonant) in the Greek and Roman alphabets. In the syllabary (by my calculations) the circle is the sun (shimshu, hence SHI)” 

They say: http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/ProtoLanguage-Monosyllables.htm

The Sumerian sign (Jaritz #750) means ‘hole’, and reads both u, ‘(oral) cavity’, and hu3.

The sign O is  proto-cuneiform LAGAB From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

lagaba

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf LAGAB:”watercourse” LAGAB:”circle,hole“. But twoo circles 2xLAGAB, is the sign NIGIN

2lagaba

Nigin, “to encircle” ,”roam about”       V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …   https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229934      NiginSumerian. Verb. To round up. NiginSumerian. Verb. To include. NiginSumerian. Verb. To bring in. NiginSumerian. Verb. To encircleNiginSumerian.to confine

From http://doormann.tripod.com/engsum.htmNigin/Circulate
Nigin/Enclosure
Nigin/Go/round
Nigin/Revolve
Nigin/Surround/(to)
Nigin/Wander/(to)                                                                                                                         From V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN VOCABULARY …   https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1312229934                               Nierime (Nierim): Sumerian. Adjective. Wrong … Total. NiginSumerian. Noun. Totality. NiginSumerian. Adverb. All together. Nigin: … The whole amount. Nigin: .

So…. hard to say….I am tempted to exclude from the begining to be an administrative tablet, as to have here simple numbers. Based on three assumptions:                                      1. sumerians made numbers by imprinting, not by scratching                                             2.scientists said that the tablets could be involved in a kind of religious ritual                    3.no reason in this case (numbers) to cover (as M.Merlini supposed) upper half of the tablet wich contain an supposed esoteric content.. 

So, maybe:                                                                                                                                             A.               AS                                                                                                                                         ……….GAR-GAR NIGIN                                                                                                                              One(God)….(to)Place,confine   enclosure                                                                                       —————————————————–                                                                                               B.                AS                                                                                                                                        SUR  Moon Nigin  :”one(god)                                                                                               “rain,flow,river  ..MOON(God)…enclosure,total,whole”

(? As-sur:” one warrior encircle,wander,surround”?)                                                                   ——————————————————-                                                                                              C. What about a rendering wich partly satisfy Mr,Merlini rendering and mine?:               …………GOD                                                                                                                                                   SUR    MOON  FULL                                                                                                                      ………….GOD                                                                                                                                              CARRY  FULL  MOON                                                                                                                           —————————————————–                                                                                                D.               AS                                                                                                                                        GAR   DIS   LAGAB LAGAB                                                                                                               See number 10, from http://www.ancientscripts.com/sumerian.html

                                                                                                      WHEAT                                                                                                                      NINDA(ratio,cereal,bread)   10   10                                                                                             “21 WHEAT RATIOS (more…)