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Gobekli Tepe: spirit’s souls and demons/ghosts.

July 11, 2021

Soul and spirits are sometime superposing and confusing.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Science <<Many modern scientists, such as Julien Musolino, hold that the mind is merely a complex machine that operates on the same physical laws as all other objects in the universe. According to Musolino, there is currently no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the existence of the soul and there is considerable evidence that seems to indicate that souls do not exist >>

From https://www.researchgate.net/post/What-is-the-difference-between-soul-and-spirit <<Soul has dictionary definition of: the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal. Spirit has a dictionary definition of: the non-physical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul. However, in online dictionary definitions there were other meanings in which soul refered to spirit in the definition and vice versa. I think the meanings will change according to the cultural and/or religous context in which you use them.>>

Upon definition, soul : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul <the soul is the incorporeal essence of a living being>

SPIRIT

Spirit has frequently been conceived of as a supernatural being, or non-phisical entity ; for example, a demon , ghost fairy, or angel.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(animating_force) <<In folk beliefspirit is the vital principle or animating force within all living things. As far back as 1628 and 1633 respectively, both William Harvey and René Descartes speculated that somewhere within the body, in a special locality, there was a “vital spirit” or “vital force”, which animated the whole bodily frame, just as the engine in a factory moves the machinery in it.[1]>>

Spirit , ideal factor of existence; consciousness , thought , reason , intelligence , soul ; in idealistic philosophy and in mystical – religious conceptions – an element considered as a basic factor of the universe , as opposed to matter , sometimes identified with the divinity , “the Holy Spirit ” [1] Spirit , supernatural entity, imaginary being, embodiment of the souls of the dead; the ghost; spirit

AT GOBEKLI TEPE AND PPN CULTURES OPERATES SPIRIT IN TWOO ASPECTS : 1. SEEN AS ESSENCE, THE VITAL PRINCIPLE, OR ANIMATING FORCE WITHIN ALL THINGS AND: 2. IDENTIFIED WITH THE DIVINITY, “THE HOLY SPIRIT” ; SPIRIT, SUPERNATURAL ENTITY, IMAGINARY BEING, EMBODIMENT OF THE SOULS OF DEAD; THE GHOST;SPIRIT

1(First) impregnate T-pillars and is expressed by T/Tau icon (and later in sumerian proto-cuneiform Me sign)

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Science <<In the ancient Egyptian religion, an individual was believed to be made up of various elements, some physical and some spiritual. Similar ideas are found in ancient Assyrian and Babylonian religion. The Kuttamuwa stele, a funeral stele for an 8th-century BCE royal official from Sam’al, describes Kuttamuwa requesting that his mourners commemorate his life and his afterlife with feasts “for my soul that is in this stele”>>

2(Second) is expressed in antropomorphic traits and in the so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman and Urfa-man statues

Göbekli Tepe before Gods

July 5, 2021

ALL Göbekli Tepe STONE MONUMENTS: PILLARS, SCULPTURES OR POLES REFLECT EARLY RELIGION DEVELOPEMENT STAGES, BEFORE INVENTING GODS. ANY OF THEM REPRESENT GODS PROPER. I AM REFFERING TO THE PLACES IN AND NEAR GOBEKLI TEPE AND TO CLOSE CORESPONDING TIME SPAN.

It reflects animist, totemist, shamanist and paganist stages, and presents corresponding aspects in different measures.

Understanding Religion Evolution: Animism, Totemism, Shamanism, Paganism &  Progressed organized religion | Damien Marie AtHope

Damien Marie AtHope
Understanding Religion Evolution: Animism, Totemism, Shamanism, Paganism & Progressed organized religion | Damien Marie AtHope

Be aware, animism does not mean that evrything has souls ! From Video: We Have Always Been Animists:

November 7, 2019

Graham Harvey
Graham Harvey, professor of religious studies at The Open University (UK), discusses animism and how our relations are damaged by ongoing efforts to separate (human) culture from ‘nature’ and humans from other species. 

From https://cswr.hds.harvard.edu/news/2019/11/07/video-we-have-always-been-animists <<So in a significant moment in Hallowell’s 1960 article, Hallowell asks an elder– unnamed in that article, but revealed elsewhere as Kiwich– he asks this man, are all the rocks we see around us here alive? And the old man says– wonderful answer– no, but some are.>>

To be clear, not to be taken ancient people as undeveloped or naive !. Only some natural, raw rocks or megaliths, due of their particular characteristics could be for them animated (had souls, but most frequently host spirits).

From https://books.google.ro › books Silver, Sword, and Stone: Three Crucibles in the Latin American Story Marie Arana — 2020 · History The Mayans, so populous in that verdant, rain- rich terrain, made stone images of the dead and believed their souls inhabited them.

FOCUSSING ON T-PILLARS

T-Pillars reflecting animism:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism << Animism (from Latinanima, ‘breathspiritlife‘) is the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. … Animism encompasses the beliefs that all material phenomena have agency, that there exists no categorical distinction between the spiritual and physical (or material) world and that soul or spirit or sentience exists not only in humans but also in other animals, plants, rocks, geographic features such as mountains or rivers or other entities of the natural environment: water spritesvegetation deitiestree sprites, etc.>>

THIS IS THE CASE WITH T-SHAPED PILLARS, CONTAIN AND REPREZENTS SPIRITUAL ESSENCE, IN MY OPINION (see other related posts) LIFE ESSENCE / “DIVINE LIFE POWER”

T-pillars – Tepe Telegrams
https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2019/03/D1Js5VPWoAA0bxt.jpg-large-571×800.jpg

From Mythical Stone – Page 246 https://books.google.ro › books Mythical Stone << It is not the stones per se that are worshipped in these cases, but the spirits inhabiting them. In other cases it is not a deity’s spirit but the spirit of an ancestor, a hero, or a sacrificial victim that inhabits the stone in order to be … >>

From https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr › …PDF Animals in the symbolic world of Pre-Pottery Neolithic Göbekli … de J PETERS · Citat de 219 ori — rich in animal depictions — stone figurines, sculptures and megalithic pillars decorated … Göbekli people once used to live. … stone spirits or perhaps even demons ?

T-Pillars as idols: I not agree with Klaus Schmidt : “(T-pillars) areantropomorphic idols” but agree “(T-pillars) are idols” From https://www.researchgate.net › 2710… Rezultate de pe web (PDF) The ” Hanging Gardens ” of Göbekli Tepe – ResearchGate Figures – uploaded by Constantinos Ragazas … Klaus Schmidt and others believe these are anthropomorphic religious. idols

See: https://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/f0264-siberias-stone-idols/

Modern idol !?

From The Black Stone… An Idol? | About Islamhttps://aboutislam.net › counseling › black-stone-idol

  1. <<When a Muslim prays 5 times a day he should direct himself toward the Black Stone of the Kabah in Makkah. This is while in pilgrimage everyone …>>
  2. The word ṣlm/ṣnm and some words for “statue, idol … – JSTORhttps://www.jstor.org › stable
  1. <<by F Scagliarini · 2007 · Cited by 4 — The word slm/snm and some words for “statue, idol” … Jähiliyyah during their pilgrimage to Mecca. In the … pl. asnăm) and a wooden or stone idol {watan, pl.>>

I believe T-pillars represent something different:

From https://sciencepress.mnhn.fr › …PDF Animals in the symbolic world of Pre-Pottery Neolithic Göbekli … de J PETERS · Citat de 219 ori — rich in animal depictions — stone figurines, sculptures and megalithic pillars decorated … Göbekli people once used to live. … stone spirits or perhaps even demons ?

T-Pillars close or even totem poles:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem_pole <<Totem poles (Haidagyáaʼaang)[1] are monumental carvings, a type of Northwest Coast art, consisting of poles, posts or pillars, carved with symbols or figures. … The word totem derives from the Algonquian word odoodem [oˈtuːtɛm] meaning “(his) kinship group”. The carvings may symbolize or commemorate ancestors, cultural beliefs that recount familiar legends, clan lineages, or notable events>>

This is our case: represents or comemorate ancestors !

From https://books.google.ro › books Silver, Sword, and Stone: Three Crucibles in the Latin American Story Marie Arana — 2020 · History The Mayans, so populous in that verdant, rain- rich terrain, made stone images of the dead and believed their souls inhabited them

LATER T-PILLAR/SCULPTURE ( not far to Gobekli Tepe, from Kilisik-Adıyaman ) COULD REPRESENT GODS:

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2019/03/20/a-rather-odd-figure-the-so-called-kilisik-sculpture-from-adiyaman-turkey/ A rather odd figure: The so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman, Turkey

A rather odd figure: The so-called Kilisik Sculpture from Adıyaman, Turkey  – Tepe Telegrams

Attention, the sculpture was not excavated by archaeologists, so the exact age of the sculpture is not known, (supposed PPNA-PPNB !? ) From https://www.cuyamungueinstitute.com/articles-and-news/gobekli-tepes-shamanic-birthing-temple/ <<The Kilisik Statue depicts the Birthing Posture with a hole for her vulva and her fetus ready to arrive! … Collins wonders about the significantly placed holed stone, “So if the abstract female form seen on the holed stone in Enclosure D symbolizes the Cosmic Mother, is the purpose of the synchronization between star and stone to indicate she is about to give birth?”>>

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2019/03/20/a-rather-odd-figure-the-so-called-kilisik-sculpture-from-adiyaman-turkey/ << Hauptmann (2012, 22) even suggested to interpret this scene as a ‘mother and child’ motive (known i.a. from two of Nevalı Çori’s clay figurines). In this case the Kilisik example would represent the first female depiction to be associated with the T-shaped sculptures.>>


URFA-MAN WAS AN IDOL ? ( OR ANCESTOR/EARLY GOD ?)

https://www.facebook.com/MegalithomaniaOfficial/posts/1316007498448768/

From https://hi-in.facebook.com › GobekliTepeInfo › posts › c… Gobekli Tepe – Voices of the Dead: The Strange Origins of … <<Turning our attention to the strange, vaguely unsettling appearance of the face, Urfa man’s voiceless image cast by a conspicuously absent mouth and gazing obsidian-filled eyes is hauntingly enigmatic, but offers a link with another class of ancient statuary known as the eye idol.>>

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/04/11000-year-old-statue-unearthed-siberia-may-reveal-ancient-views-taboos-and-demons https://www.dainst.blog › 2017/03/01 Rezultate de pe web The Göbekli Tepe ‘Totem Pole’ – Tepe Telegrams 1 mar. 2017 — It has the remarkable length of 1,92 metres. The pole features three main motives, one above another. The uppermost …

From https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335716221_What_Does_Gobekli_Tepe_The_World’s_Oldest_Temple_Tell_Us_In_Terms_Of_Religion_And_Theology

GOBEKLI-TEPE IS AN PROPER TOTEM POLE

From https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/2017/03/01/the-gobekli-tepe-totem-pole/ <<The sculpture had been set in the north-eastern wall of a rectangular room of Layer II and was not visible originally due to the wall completely covering it. It has the remarkable length of 1,92 metres. The pole features three main motives, one above another. >>

FERTILITY, FEMALE-related IDOL ?

From NatureThe phallus of the greatest archeological finding of the new millenia: an untold story of Gobeklitepe dated back 12

The phallus of the greatest archeological finding of the new millenia: an  untold story of Gobeklitepe dated back 12 milleniums | International  Journal of Impotence Research

From https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/gobekli_tepe01.htm <<One site was Balikligöl, where the idol was discovered. It is a giant ithyphallic male (image left).

What it represents is anyone’s guess, although it has to be connected with fertility and fecundity of the land.>>