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February 8, 2019


This page must be understood to be kind of probe and testing, as to check in wich measure, or how close the supposed Tartaria tablet writing goes toward, or fitts the Aegean-one. You must know that the signs on the tablets are closest to sumerian proto-cuneiform ones. Then follow at the same level Anatolian and Aegean writings. The conclusion is:                           – there is no genuine sumerian nor genuine Aegean writing on tablets.              MANY ASSYROLOGISTS (AND ME ALSO) SUSTAIN (in the best case), AN QUASI-SUMERIAN WRITING                             But no wonder, is reflecting an Anatolian-European continuum, and there would be a simple explanation for this fact:                                                                                  Possible, as hypothesised Mr.I.Kenanidis and G.Papakitsos for minoan writing, the Minoans were early sumerian migrants.I AM EXPECTING THAT UNDER DIRECT SUMERIAN INFLUENCE, MINOANS SOME-HOW ADAPTET THEIR CONCEPTS (particularly that of the signs) TO THEIR CULTURE OF OLD-EUROPE TYPE ;                                                                                                   DON’T KNOW FROM WICH STAGE OF THIS PROCESSUS ARE COMING THE TABLETS !  ==============================================================




We have upper-left side, those D-s (3 signs)

(In close shape, but by imprinting, sumerians used to express numbers.

Were found in economic transactions.Signs are not imprinted as in sumerian (cuneus cuneiform) technique with the opposite edge of sharpened-one edge of stylus, so I wonder if  the writer was a native sumerian.


Here maybe No.2, where the indication line is black.

Those 3 signs, “>>>”?, “)))”,could be (as in sumerian) number 3 or 30.                                                    (after Rumen Kolev interpretation:”3 (months ?)                                                                                                      CONCLUSION: “30/3 (Months ?)”                                                                                                              ——————————————————————————–

  1. Close to these signs, downward, we have sign No.1 as ear of cereal
  3. Usually associated with agriculural products as barley:                                             Image,from
  4.                                                                                  From

LINEAR A *04 (TE), common

In linear B,

Linear B, Cretan“TE” “Wheat

Note that this sign rather pertain to proto-writing. Cause in linear B we have signs for specific kind of grains (wheat visa barley):

(Rumen Kolev interpretation, with the sign underneath:”3-months corn in the temple”                            CONCLUSION: Together those 2 signs,could be interpreted as                                                                                        “ (30), 3 /volume measures of some sort of cereal grain”(gr.sitos) ?”                                  =====================================================

Next downward,this Y-shaped sign (! drawn separately in a box !)will see what could be.

  1. (sign No.3)

Table from

the-cretan-hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-olivier No.019 ;024 ?                                                                                                                                                        Y-sign= linear B= “SA?

From “Once again applying Linear B reading to the previous Linear A texts, we see the sign sequence ja-sa-sa-ra-me. This sequence is very interesting because it appears very often in many other such votive inscriptions in slightly different variants.


FINAL READING: “SA”                                                                                                                            From                                                                      *31, SA, perhaps a logogram for *SA-SA-ME?;

From                                                                                      JOHN JOUNGER SA (HT 114b.1) or SI (HT 30.1) = paid?

FINAL READING: “SA”  ========================================================                                     Next, to the right, vertical separation line ! sign 4

Next,downward, folow a sign No.4

wich ressemble violin,labrys?/ 2 merged lozenges ?;


Note: the sign  is repeated as the last sign on the tablet

Close to the cretan hierogliphic sign 042 (Labrys) <see table above>

Not much to see.  But here’s its Linear A counterpart:

The sine qua non is the interpretation of labyrinth as “Place of the Double Axes,

The Cretan Hieroglyphic evidence is even more explicit:

There are saying that the sign is at the origin of “A”:

From Essays on Ancient Anatolia in the Second Millennium B.C.

Prince Mikasa no Miya Takahito (son of Taishō, Emperor of Japan) – 1998 – ‎Civilization, Assyro-Babylonian

reconstructed an IE *peleku14 of sacred use that would go back to a pre-IE digging implement of the Mesolithic of NW Europe and pre-Mesolithic … Mycenaean dapur-, Hittite tabarna/tla- barna/labarna(s) from a Sumerian balag, Assyrian pilakku, Sanskrit paraqu, Greek pelekus, designating a certain type of axe.

    (Rumen Kolev:”temple”,good!)

By one side, the sign has the exact shape of the sumerian proto-cuneiform sign “AB=house,temple” and by the other side labrys is the king, divinity icon, and present in most of the minoan temple/shrines, especially in Minos palace. So could be the house of the labrys :LABYRINTHOS.                                                                                                    CONCLUSION:  LABRYSICON related either to Goddess A-Sa-Sa-Ra  and ITS HOUSE-TEMPLE, cave-shrine, LABYRINTHOS                                                                                                ——————————————————————————————                                                  Next, an insect/miriapod-like sign !?! is found in more and less simylar shape all over:

As a refference, Sumerian “DINGIR”/God/sky    From; sign “AN


          sum.AN it is:God, Heaven

But! If URUK “dingir” has 8-11 spikes our sign have 12 (limbs)

Note that is not in a shape of wheat-ear or plant but is in a star-like shape.The difference in “spikes” number is not much problematic in my opinion.So why not,or possible to be something star-like i.e. “a GOD”?   But much,much close,(if rotated 90deg)    (count the number of lines! totaly 12 in sumerian sign as in our)                           ——————————————————————


“KE”? (2-nd in the first row) ??

(Rumen Kolev rendering:”Sun”)                                                                                    CONCLUSION:                                                                                                                                            I will change my final interpretation of the sign, from “God, Heaven” ,”Sky-God” to “SUN”, cause beginning from minoan time, appeared the multy-rayed symbol and sure was the Sun !                                                                                                                                          —————————————————-                                                                                                 Next, donkey head-like picture or sign shape.In sumerian the sign was AMAR:”CALF”, but minoans took the sign and changed finaly to a kat-like shape.


Note the scribal hand sign Ma with big ears as in our tablet!

(Rumen Kolev rendering:”bull Enlil”)

  CONCLUSION                                                                                                                                  The “long-eared head” is not related as in sumerian to AMAR “calf” ,Sun- calf/bull , but derived from the sumerian root “ama=mother”, it is MA: Aegean Mother-Goddess MA: Aegean Mother-Goddess                                                                                 ————————————————

Second sign from the end backward,right edge,upper sign.Sincerely at this sign I run out of… resources.

Sign Mo, MU !

See the paper: BUCRANIUM SYMBOL AND SIGN Cornelia-Magda Lazarovici, Gheorghe Corneliu … – Arheovest

“In Vinca-Turdas culture were found hundreds of artefacts of different kinds with the shape of a bucranium (bull-head). Or shape intricated or depicted in a way or another in them.”

The horned-head as poor as is depicted could be that of a bull. Especially cause of the sturdy/massif head.

But I explain why radher is bull. (Rumen Kolev rendering “bull” and the underneath sign “in/of/for the sacrifice”!?)

Cause the Bull was related to Gods/SUN and rullers (MinoTAUR).As in ancient East the bull was associated with the Sun.                                                                                            CONCLUSION                                                                                                                                        Horned-like icon is the Aegean Bull, “MU“, whoever was related to.                                       ——————————————–                                                                                                            And downward we have the very icon of  Sky-God and of the Earth counter-part,ruller Minos the DOUBLE-AX shape,

Note: By sumerians bull head associated with double ax-shape was sign AMAR + sign AB

Meaning         Bull-calf  + House/abode

Wich by them those pair-signs, ment       NERGAL      (a pair of the Sun, underground hypostasis)

(the fierry hott Sun of the mid-day time, later an underwold&death GOD(dess)

So, we have the heavenly Bull=SUN asociated with his GOD/royal sign LABRYS and his temple-house LABYRINTHOS

As Zeus Labraundos,Keraunos was depicted with the axe in his hand.

In this case nothing is necessary to be added and those signs don’t need to be much comented/translated or interpreted, it could be,

INTERPRETATION OF THE WHOLE TABLET:                                                                          AN OFFERING, ( 3/30 grain, wheat? units) SACRIFICE on THE SHRINE,TEMPLE TO THE MOTHER-GODDESS and to the SUN-BULL-GOD.                                                                                                                       ———————————————     

Румен Колев         interpretation of the last 2 signs: “cattle in/of/for the sacrificed”)

Sumerian influence on Aegean writing

January 14, 2019

From Sumer,Indus Valley, in Anatolia, Cyprus,Crete,Sicily,Sardinia to North America (northern Pacific coast indian tribes), the metal ingost had all-over in ancient times (Bronze Age ),the same physical shape:                                                                            “OXHIDE”

From Who invented the oxhide ingot shape? Meluhha artisans. An archaemetallurgical journey along the Maritime Tin Route.                                                                     

                                                                           The large oxhide ingots were signified by ḍhālako a large metal ingot


                                                                                                    Copper ingot from Zakros, Crete, displayed at the Heraklion Archaeological Museum.

1.IN THE FOLOWINGS, I WILL SHOW SOME SIMILIRATIES OF AEGEAN SIGNS WTH THOSE SUMERIAN-ONES; such relation was noticed also not so succesfully I expecte by Iannis Kenanidis and Evangelos Papakitsos.

2. Following the transmission of meaning is another matter. Early after proto-cuneiform phase the sumerian writing evolved as one sign do add other meanings that original pictographic-one. At the point that the original meaning was lost even by sumerians!    So, if signs were transmitted, one reasonable expect, that only the shape was some-how mantained, no talking that in another distant place (Aegean) to acquire another, different meaning. So, regarding the meanings I only notice some aspects, (in the limits of my understanding), not sustain an transmition of meaning.                                                        =======================================================

First Tartaria-sumerian Aegean triplet:


1.<metal ingot?<Pr-cuneif, sign KU < 2.KU:”metal,silver,shiny” > 3.Aegean sign JA and PA3 

1.  Sign KU~a

sign Ga2;

INDUS SCRIPT ,                                                                                                                               “Impressions of two cylinder seals (Sumer) and glyph of ‘ingot’. The person at the feet of the eagle-winged person carries a (metal) dagger on his left-hand, clearly demonstrating the link with this metalware catalog.Note the one-horned bull below the person who has his foot on mountain-summit.                                                                                                        Sumerian sign for the term ZAG ‘purified precious’. The ingot had a hole running through its length Perhaps a carrying rod was inserted through this hole.


Seal stamp m-308 Mohenjo-daro (DK 11794) Hieroglyph: Three strokes connecting two linear strokes: dula ‘two’ Rebus:dul ‘cast metal’ PLUS kolmo ‘three’ Rebus: kolimi ‘smithy, forge’ Thus forge for cast metal

3. From See signs JA and PA.


From                                        See Linear A sign AB56:

———————————————————————-                   K?A                                                                                                                                            The Sumerian sign (Jaritz #458) depicts a ‘tubular basket’; a variant, #458a, tapers toward the top; both have top-covers; both presumably and read ga2 (among others). Another recorded reading for it is pisan, which means ‘basket’ but perhaps also ‘*shallow tray’.

An archaic variant form for Sumerian sign above (Jaritz #458), Jaritz #458a, looks very much as if it could be the ‘head’ without the hair and neck we see in Jaritz #15 under K?XA; and therefore might be a sign for ‘jaw’; but it also may be just another shape of ‘basket’. As mentioned below under K?XA, the most promising prospect for ‘jaw’ in Sumerian is ga14, a reading of Jaritz #15 that is currently without an assigned meaning. I believe the the idea of ‘jaw’ provided the prototype and nomenclature for a ‘shallow basket tray’ but there is no trace of this meaning (‘jaw’) for this Sumerian sign


Second Tartaria-Sumerian-Aegean triplet:

                                                     See in the lowest row, from L>to> R: 2-nd and last signs sign ZAG < 2.sum.ZAG:”the shine of metals; boundary, border, district’, ” > 3.Aegean sign A,Labrys,?Labyrinthos?

  1. From                        Sign ZAG~a

and sign ZAG~c  sign GA’AR:

GA’AR= GAR                                                                                                                                       From                                                   The sign GAR was used, thus, in order to denote all cereal products counted bisexagesimally, that is, virtually all barley
product rations except beer.2. Akkadian called Sumerian – Sumerian Dictionary – Turkic World…/…                                          SUMERIAN DICTIONARY. Links … Common Sumerian words for magical purposes ….. Holy of Holies, BARAGGAL … Metals, ZAG (the shine of metals).

Sumerian Lexicon – IS MU…/Halloran_version_3.pdf            (derives from zag, ‘boundary, border, district’, just as þúb relates to gùb). zeþ[SAL.ÁŠ.

3. From                                                 

 see Cretan hieroglyphic signs 042 and *175


So this shape could reflect:                                                                                                               the shine of metals > double-axe.labrys, but also

boundary,border,district> place of  the other underground sumerian’s Sun,NERGAL and at Aegeans, the place of Minotaur , in fact place of Sun-Bull-God (labyrinthos)

Proto-cuneiform sign for house, temple “AB” has the close sign:                                                                                      Nergal seems to be in part a solar deity, sometimes identified with Shamash, but only representative of a certain phase of the sun.

Minotaur – Wikipedia                                                     In Greek mythology, the Minotaur is a mythical creature portrayed in Classical times with the … In Crete, the Minotaur was known by the name Asterion, a name shared with Minos’ foster-father.   ………                                                                                                                Some modern mythologists regard the Minotaur as a solar personification and a Minoan adaptation of the Baal-Moloch of the Phoenicians.

He dwelt at the center of the Labyrinth

Asterion (/əˈstɪriən/GreekἈστερίων, gen.: Ἀστερίωνος, literally “starry“) or Asterius (/əˈstɪriəs/Ἀστέριος)                                                                                        However, they have found what looks like a labyrinth. The labyrinth wasn’t built in a cave below the palace, though. It was the palace.

labbyrinth, in fact was somebody’s house: “house,temple” =====================================

This is Mr. Kenanidis and Papakitsos aproach:

So Mr. Kenanidis and Papakitsos, no double-axe !, even the sign is like, see above “signify all barley product rations”                         ================================================================

Apropos of above sign 57 (Linear B LA32),                                                                                    (Only sumerian -Aegean:

sumerian GA2 <> Aegean JA Sumerian sign GA2~a3                                                                     from :

Tartaria oblong tablet (with hole). Cretan hieroglyphic, Linear A,B approach /G!

December 1, 2018

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                             This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions.           ====


We have folowing signs
– In upper most left side, those three “D/moon“-like signs.                                                         THESE SIGNS HAS NO EQUIVALENT IN AEGEAN WRITINGS (with one exception)
In linear B were used units of volume measurements, but by them de D-like signs were 90 deg.rotated, in horizontal pozition:

Due of the fact that in other two ancient places the same sign was used:                                   – in Sumer, sign GAR (read ninda) : “grain,food ratio/bread” and                                              – in Egypt, sign “T” :”loaf of bread” The “D” sign will mean “volume/ratio”,rather than month or year, “3 years”,                                                                                                                 the meaning will be:                                    “3(three) grain ratios” (rather than being sign for month, 3 month “
Image from

the sign for “month”/MENE in linear B (but D-mirror reversed!):

MEN, gen. MENOS :”MONTH”; My note: !Not Moon !
Mirror reversed:


THREE (GRAIN/CEREAL) VOLUMES/RATIOS          ====================================================================
Next to these signs, dawnward, sign  ->->-> :                                                                               SIGN IT IS IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS(Linear A)

From  John Jounger                                                   TE (“from“? NAME).  TE/TI, “from/of

Usually associated with agriculural products as

In linear B


Linear A, John Jounger  *04 (TE), common

Linear B, Cretan“TE” “Wheat

So could be “3 months/volume measures of some sort of grain”(gr.sitos) ?
Note that this sign we have rather pertain to proto-writing. In linear B we have signs for specific kind of grains:

So, both signs (DDD and ->->->-)could be, or “3 -MONTHS/years-ONE MAN?-RATION” , but rather:                THREE WHEAT VOLUMES/RATIOS
—————————————————————————————————————                       Downward,in a kind of box, ” “-like sign,                                                                                  THE SIGN CANNOT BE FOUND IN EXACT SHAPE IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS                      (our sign has an off-set/branch/stroke pointing leftward !)

Table, from

263ieroglyfikasite                                                                                           You see is absolutely ISOLATE /very strange/very rare
Normally must be interpreted with an isolate meaning,but wich could be the meaning? Branch,distress (divergent) !??

Cretan hieroglyphic sign DA ?                                                                                                            From                                                                                “DA-I = “total”?: HT 12.6 (Schoep 2002, 162); cf. DA-I-PI-TA, ZA 8.5. If DA– (as in DA-DU-MA-TA) indicates in some way a completed action (like a perfect of A-DU), could DA-I be a completed transaction *516 I+[?] “
In my opinion could be.And I ad taking all the risks and folowing rumors,interpreted from many words as DA-I :”a completed transaction”?)from accounting tablets even from sacred I-DA,
DA= this “give,given/IT IS” (excuse same as in german)firm as EARTH

——————————————-                                                                                                          Cretan hieroglyfic meaning DA/SA ??
Arkalochori – Αρκαλοχωρι
on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea”
Hieroglyphic sign Y yet not solved,in testing.

It is now perhaps possible to ‘read’ I-DA-MA-TE on double axes from the Cave at Arkalochori as well as DA-MA-TE on a religious inscription from the peak-sanctuary above Kastri on Kythera.
The second part of the word -MA-TE is probably the Indo-European word for Mother, including the nomen agentis –TE. Mother is the most stable word in the Indo-European languages (excluding Hittite and Anatolian Languages) whereas the first part I-DA-/DA- could be interpreted as Mount Ida, just visible from the Arkalochori Cave, or perhaps DA/GA meaning Earth, i.e., Earth Mother, Dem.This would not be a surprise but it is interesting that it is on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea” according to Hesychios. It has also been suggested that Demeter be connected with *P.-I.-E. dms meaning house, (-inthos), thus she would be ‘Mistress of the House’ similar to ‘Lady of the Labyrinth’.eter.

I-DA-MA-TE                                                        NA-DA-TE  (Phaistos disc)                                         One must to choose between Da and Sa.                                                                                        It seems that cannot be DA because in linear A the sign has the “branch” toward right !      ————————————————————————

From  JOHN JOUNGER                                      SA (HT 114b.1) or SI (HT 30.1) = paid?                                                                                              ————————————————————————————————————-                                    Linear A,”SA”

Also could be linear B= “SA”

John Younger
*31, SA, perhaps a logogram for *SA-SA-ME?; cf. HT 23a.4-5 SA-SA-ME, and PH 16b.1, HT 97b (cf. Linear B sa-sa-ma)
“Once again applying Linear B reading to the previous Linear A texts, we see the sign sequence ja-sa-sa-ra-me. This sequence is very interesting because it appears very often in many other such votive inscriptions in slightly different variants.

The shape of the sign is meaning  “diverging”, as someoane get to a crossroad in life !…the same as of the sumerian “BAD”, I will choose the reading:

SA :”completed, paid”                                                  ================================================
Next,downward,also “boxed”, folow a sign wich ressemble violin,labrys?/ 2 merged lozenges ?;                                                                                                                                           AS A WRITING SIGN, WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS
Could be interpreted as isolate,the evidence is that is separate in a box/compartment.

Cycladic Art and Art related to Cyclades Islands – Les Musées Barbier ……/art-des.

Note: the sign wich is repeated as the last sign on the tablet

It is similar (but turned upside-down) and our sign is not middle-devided!                                   with the sign from                                        *403, chalice  (romanian:”potir”)


Not much to see.  But here’s its Linear A counterpart:

The sine qua non is the interpretation of labyrinth as “Place of the Double Axes,
The Cretan Hieroglyphic evidence is even more explicit:


They are saying that the sign is at the origin of “A”:



Such cyclades-tipe statuettes were found in entire Cycladic area.But in astonishing great number were found in Keros island.All broken.No pair could be matched.Scholars say that these statuettes were used in burial rituals (as is  the case with Tartaria artefacts !)Keros Island was an center for a kind of unknown ritual.

My opinion about labrys-like sign is that upon the sign had an unknown yet meaning with deep in time origin.
As weird could be for you, I suppose that the origin is further in the East,possible proto-cuneiform=proto-sumerian signs like:

SZITA~a3     and     ZAG~c                                  zag, zà: boundary, border, limit, side; cusp, beginning; territory, district, place; sanctuary; percentage; a measure for fish; shoulder; right (side); front; outside of (life + to encircle) [ZAG archaic frequency: 71; concatenates 3 sign variants].                                                                   Sign ZAG:


But much close, sign GA’ARb1 ;’AR~b1.jpg

      From          The stem of the verb ĝar ‘place’, for instance, is usually written with a word sign, but the Ur III texts also contain dozens of attestations where it is written ĝá-ar (e.g., AUCT 1:552 7; D; 21).                                                                                                                                                   ————————————————————————————–                                                         Same  shape similarity was noticed by I.Kenanidis & E.Papakitsos.


They rather would pair the sumerian sign with the cretan hieroglyphic *175/”A”, adze/labrys. It is not “sumerian proto-cuneiform double-axe“, but it is proto-cuneiform sign GA’AR


Table, from                                                Sign * 175 ,meaning:??”


This is the labrys sign, and it is the sign associated with God. So close to his sumerian counterpart “AB” “house,temple”.

Very interesting AB and Ga’ar has similar shapes, but also similar meanings: AB:”house,temple” visa  ĝá-ar “place”

Imagini pentru sumerian "GA'AR"
IN OUR TABLET:                                                                                                                            1.MOTHER EARTH-GODDESS ICON?                                                                                    2.“the place/house ( ? labyrinthos of the Minotaur/Sun-God ?)”



In upper part 2 little “V-like signs !? Maybe 1/2?

“V”-sign: Cretan hieroglyphic “Te” Table, from


================Next,=============================================== SEPARATED !, an insect/miriapod-like sign,                           IN THIS EXACT SHAPE WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS, is found in more and less similar shape all over:

Overall apearance as umerian sign multiple superposed X-es“DINGIR”/God/sky
With not so many limbs,spikes
As a refference, Sumerian “AN”/God/sky

And sum. AN:”God,Heaven”

But much,much close,(if rotated 90deg)
(count the number of lines! totaly 12 in sumerian sign as in our)                                              ——————————————                                                                                                           From                                                      SIGN 068 ,meaning :”??”


—————————————————————————————————                                        Close to Linear A “KE”                                            *44 (KE), only in ligature

——————————————————————————————–                                                  Also, this sign *-like, close to this shape have Linear B

“KE”? (2-nd in the first row)

Linear B “KE-MA”?

From John Jounger                                                 *44 (KE), only in ligature

A - | A+

螒委伪), Aifaia (>Aia), ethnic/place name.聽ai-wa-ta, 螒喂F维蟿伪蟼, Aifatas, personal name.聽ai-wo-ro/ a-wo-ro, 螒委F慰位慰蟼, Aivolos, personal/animal name (= ‘nibble’).聽ai-za, 伪委味伪 (>伪委纬伪),聽aiza聽(>aiga),聽goat.聽ai-za. Aizai (>Aigai ,place name)

The Linear B Decipherment Controversy Re-Examined
Saul Levin – 1964 – ‎Inscriptions, Linear B.
… close to the central city of Knosos nearly a thousand years earlier — yet the AI ~ A alternation gives an idea of what may have happened in the Linear B language to the nominative plural ending which Greek preserves as the diphthong -01. But whatever may be the merit of our subtle hypothesis to clarify the phenomena, ..                                    ——————————————————————————————————————————–
Next is a sign like an donkey-head                                                                                               THIS SIGN CAN BE FOUND IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS

There was something like this:        From Cats in the Aegean Scripts     Cretan used this shapes:I am coming back.No, the head is too big. It is an bucranium/bull-head (sumerians had a similar sign with donkey-like ears,AMAR and those ears maybe signify horns, because AMAR:”calf”)

From                                                                        Hieroglyphic *012 , a bull-head, becomes Linear AB 23  MU,

… *23 (MU)/BOS = cattle. *23 appears by itself (HT, ZA, KH 5.6) and may be “ox” or possibly “cow,” although the sign lacks the split stem that Linear B 109b has. The masculine variant ( *23m, with stem crossed                                                                                MU:cattle/BULL”                                                                                                                                  —————————————————————————————————                                                Underneath, the 2-nd “Labrys“-like sign



See *042 and *175, but our SIGN HAS NO HANDLE!

===============================================================                              So for entire tablet we could have:

3 measures/portions                                Mu/BULL
Of cereals, grain/wheat
SA            A/Labrys  GODdess   Ma
SA-RA                                                            LABRYS


Or better,overall reading,thought as an offering,

3 measures/portions                                       Bull(heavenly SUN)

It Is           Sacred (sign) GOD(dess) aMA       “sacred” icon

Both above signs, SUN’s ABODE        ================================================                                                                THE TABLET IS PRESENTING SOME SIGNS CLOSE TO AEGEAN-ONES,  BUT                         IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY PROPER AEGEAN WRITING !

TARTARIA ROUND TABLET,Upper half,astonishing findings.

April 2, 2018


Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                               This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. =====



Archeologists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini and others) after detailed analysis of on-field conditions and circumstances along with the artefacts found close-by advanced as possible story or scenario that is one of the folowings :
– an death/burial or hero/ancestor worshipping ritual
– an foundation ritual
– an usual/common religious,propitiating ritual for some God(s) performed by the Lady Tartaria=priestess when alive.
See at the finish of my paper excerpts from different related studies.
See the left quarter,

Firs sign is (see folowing image,…Nu,6,3-rd)?


in linear A the sign “NU” Image from


If linear A “NU” is like folowing,

PDF › sumd › sumeri…
by JA Halloran
B. Alster, Proverbs of Ancient Sumer: The World’s Earliest Proverb Collections, 2 vols; …… nud, nú: to lie down; to lie together with ( with -da-); to lay down (with -ni-); to sleep; to …

Linear A,”PA2=PAi”?

Folowing sign has the shape of D or P.But that letter “D,De.Di”was not invented yet!
So we take the sign as MOON/MONTH, with the reading MINI,MINU gr.MENE/MENO
So NU-MENO.Here it is appearing the word “NUMENO/NUMENO”
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor of another greek-one)

I renounce to take the sign as linear A “NU”.Just in case,as a kind of testing:

So: NU + Moon sign (MENE/MENO?)
What NUMENO stand for? So NU-MENO.This is the little known lat.NUMEN
(as to note,scientists as Richard Vallance Janke if it is finding an latin-like word he is rejecting,in favor ov another greek-one)
Numen, pl. numina, is a Latin term for “divinity”, or a “divine presence”, “divine will.” The Latin authors defined it as follows.[1] Cicero writes of a “divine mind” (divina mens), a god “wh
Etymologically, the word means “a nod of the head”, here referring to a deity as it were “nodding”, or making its will or its presence known). According to H. J. Rose:
The literal meaning is simply “a nod”, or more accurately, for it is a passive formation, “that which is produced by nodding”, just as flamen is “that which is produced by blowing”, i.e., a gust of wind. It came to mean “the product or expression of power” — not, be it noted, power itself.[8]
Thus, numen (divinity) is not personified (although it can be a personal attribute) and should be distinguished from deus (god).[9]
Definition as a pre-animistic phase of religion
The expression Numen inest appears in Ovid’s Fasti (III, 296) and has been translated as ‘There is a spirit here’.[12] Its interpretation, and in particular the exact sense of numen has been discussed extensively in the literature.[13]
The supposition that a numinous presence in the natural world supposed in the earliest layers of Italic religion, as it were an “animistic” element left over in historical Roman religion and especially in the etymology of Latin theonyms,….

The Empire Strikes Out: Kurd Lasswitz, Hans Dominik, and the … William B. Fischer “Nume” may be intended to suggest, in addition, both Latin “numen,” meaning “god” or “divinity,” and Greek “noumenon,” a true ideal or entity perceived by the rational faculty, … Thus, for example, they find it necessary to give the Earthmen terrestrial equivalents of their own time units: “When will [the departure] take place?

But we don’t know for shure if the sign H with 3 bars is from cretan hieroglyphic or Linear A/B.
In linear B it stands for PA3. From

I new that PA,

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology Dictionary*pa-

.*-, Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to protect, feed.” It forms all or part of: antipasto; appanage; bannock; bezoar; companion; company; feed; fodder; food; forage; foray; foster; fur; furrier; impanate; pabulum; panatela; panic (n.2) “type of grass;” pannier; panocha; pantry; pastern; pastor; pasture; pester; repast; satrap.
*pāy- Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology

Meaning: to guard, to graze, to feed
Hittite: pahs- (pahhas-) (II) ‘schützen, verwahren’ (Friedrich 153)
Old Indian: pati, ptc. pāta-, pāna-, aor. apāsīt `to watch, keep, preserve’; pā́- (in comp.) m. `keeping, guarding’, pāyú- m. `guard, protector’, pāla- m. `guard, protector, keeper’, pāvan- (in comp.) `protecting’, pātár- n. `defending, defender’; nŕ̥-pīti- f. `protection of men’, nr̥-pa- m. `protector of men, king’
Old Greek: ep. pōü, -eos n. `Schafherde’, poimen, -énos m. `Hirt, Schafhirt’, pói̯mnǟ f. `(Schaf)herde’; pō̂ma n. `Deckel (an Kasten, Krügen, Köchern etc.)’

PA, as single,could mean (PA,proto indoeuropean root for protection):
gods | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
Then on the second line he uses the ideogram for “she goat”, again followed by the number 1 and by the syllabogram PA right truncated. If all this seems a mystery to you, it is not to me. The syllabogramPA right truncated on the second line almost certainly means pasi teoi = to all the gods, which in turn implies sapaketeriya …

If so,:PA+ MENO. My first association is gr. POIMEN :”shepperd”

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shepherd of people” (in Greek, poimen laon), the term laos expressing a personal bond between king as guide …. the plurality of life and its beings appears as a singularity and b) a figure of vital externality, through ….. eventfulness embedded within images [1990b]; the partial and non-linear nature of knowledge [1991a]); .
But is PAMEN with PA not with O,besides it is appearing I.No problem with I cause PA could be read Pa.Pai etc.

[PDF]F I L I P P O F E R L A U T O…/matdid501333.pdf
; questi segni avevano valore …. (a, e, i, o, u) per sillabe aperte (consonante + vocale) quali聽pa, pe, pi, po, pu, … indica la quantit, n tanto meno il grado di apertura che la quantit.

I found written form PA-MEN (=Poimen?)=”Shepperd?”
KN He (06) 03 is a medallion with two faces inscribed and two numbers. One of the faces reads:
Pameni po-lo 100
The foals (polo(i)) for this year (pameni has the dative ending, but cf. Greek pammenos)
Please also note that the pictogram for pa looks like a house (cf. Minoan pa-na-so,
place of the house/temple)
Po-me=poimen po-me-no=poimenos, po-me-ne=poimenei

!! This shepperd is the very silhuette on pictographic tablet found together with the other twoo tablets.(Also there you have the grain sign “TE”,and kind of ibex/wild goat)
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
The reading of the left quarter is PA-MENO (cf.pameni,pammenos =pan/pam menos=all months)

“PROTECT, GRAZE, TO FEED, POIMEN/Shepperd” are consistent with the pictographic tablet found near-by (out of total of three),On the tablet there are depiced: an vegetal motif, kind of human silhuette? and a goat.



Upper sign, +++++,it is grain,wheat,sitos,”TE” From 

As has more than three strokes (5 or ^) Could be Te-TE?

See sign “TE” in Linear A: 

Definition of “inscription” By convention, an “inscription” is defined as two or more signs in conjunction, a word. A single sign may be an abbreviation of a word (e.g., Linear B o for o-pe-ro, “owed”, “deficit”), or, commonly in Linear A, a transaction sign, like sign *42 A (“to” NAME?) and TE (“from”? NAME). In the Minoan Linear A inscription, there are many aids to help the modern reader. First of all, there are loan words from different languages. For instance, the abbreviation “te,” commonly used on the tablets, has convincingly been shown by Jan Best and Fred Woudhuizen to be an abbreviation of an expression “telu” which appears to be related to an Assyrian word meaning delivery (Best and Woudhuizen 1988, 24).
First signs,D D don’t know what meaning to atribute them,as long as D-shape sign was not yet invented,
So the single solution is to think as the MOON-sign,wit the reading “MENO”.
But here I think the meaning it is not intended to moon or month but to its basic meaning :”constant,continous”or others direct derived.
μένω • (ménō)
1.I stay, wait
1.(in battle) I stand fast
2.I stay where I am
3.I lodge
4.I tarry; I loiter, am idle
5.(of things) I am lasting; I remain, stand
6.(of condition) I remain
7.I abide by

8.(impersonal, with infinitive) it remains quotations ▼
2.(of persons) I await, expect quotations ▼
1.I wait for (accusative) to (infinitive)
A MANa :”to drive”raMAN:”remain”
A MANa :”stay,remain,LODGE”

So:”I(remain,abide)”; MENO,MENO-an,MINOAN”
my rendering “remain,abide
Now,interesting:some 7 years before I noticed that the upper sign gas a line to the second D.

You can see clear on picture.Whoever made the above drawing not made an accurate-one.See again what I am telling about:

At that time, I wondered if (line) intended or not.I told this to Mr.Marco Merlini.Not responded or much interested.
Now see: the upper sign is rendered in Linear A/B as :”TE”.Beeing binded/ligatured wit “D”-moon-shape we have:
TE+MENO,wich is TEMENO gr.TEMENOS:”shrine,temple”

priestess | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae
we find that the last supersyllabogram, TE, may readily and realistically rendered as temeno, which in Mycenaean Greek means “a temple”.
A piece of land marked off from common uses and assigned as an official domain, especially to a king, chief, or god.
· A sacred circle where one can be oneself without fear.                                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                                                                                  Very, very interesting,: From

<< Sum. temen, Akk. temmenu, temennu ‘foundation (deposit)’,                                         PIE *dhā-man/dha-mn̥- ‘what is placed or set’, Skt. dhāman- ‘dwelling-place, abode; law’, Greek thema what is placed or laid down: deposit; position of land; grammatical stem’; themethla, theme(i)lia ‘foundations‘, themelios ‘foundation-stone’. In Greek we have also temenos ‘a piece of land cut off and assigned as an official domain’, especially to kings and to temples of gods. According to the analysis of Dunham (1986), Sum. temen often refers to a marked off area, and also the boundaries and the corners of the area, and Whittaker remarks that temen is the reading of the ‘perimeter sign’, so something very similar to the temenos. Manessy-Guitton already in 1966 proposed that temenos comes from temen, but temenos seems to have a very clear etymology from the Greek tem-no ‘to cut‘, which is made stronger by the comparison with Latin templum, originally indicating a delimited space in the sky for auspices, but also a space consecrated to the gods (the temple) and a transverse beam. So, if temen and temenos have a relation, we should admit that temen comes from the same root tem- as temenos and templum. The temen sign is done with two crosses and a rope, like this:
x—x. Rather than a perimeter, it is one side of it, and, as Dunham remarks, it is like a string between two pegs, and he also suggests that temen indicates the foundation peg (or set of pegs). If he is right, the root of temen is more likely ‘to put, place’ (the pegs) than ‘to cut’ (the area of the foundations).>>

Relating to the King MINOS,
MYNOS (MUNOS,MINOS,MENOS), his name is related to:
μένος • (ménos) n (genitive μένεος or μένους); third declension
2.desire, ardor, wish, purpose
4.courage, spirit, vigor
5.power, strength, force
As in romanian language we have:
1.MINte/MINte,MENtal (mind/to lie,of the mind)
5.6.MANios (gr.MANiakos)

Citadel to City-State: The Transformation of Greece, 1200-700 B.C.E. › books
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The term appears in Linear B as te- me-no and refers to lands given to, or owned by, a god, the wanax (as in wa-na-ke-te-ro te-me- no), or the lawagetas (as in ra-wa-ke-si-jo …

The signs: “OO” or “OC”?

Could be numbers:

Thus: o o – | | o would be 312 and o o in Linear B,would be 200.

Table 5 Table of 27 supersyllabograms in Minoan Linear A. KEY to supersyllabograms in Linear A: fi = figs. gr = grains (wheat). ma = man, person. oo = olivesVvocabulary | Minoan Linear A, Linear B, Knossos & Mycenae

What with the latest signs OO,OC ?
If OC,first is the linear A “KE”


Second it is in the same linear A,the moon :”MENO”
What does it mean?

id you mean: kemono linguistics
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KE-ME-NO is the greek KEiMENO?….radher opion is for qe-ja-me-no.
κεῖμαι • (keîmai) lie, lie outstretched lie asleep, repose, lie idle, lie still lie sick or wounded, lie in misery lie dead lie neglected, uncared for, unburied
5.(of wrestlers) to have a fall
2.(of places) to lie, be situated
1.(of things) to lie in a place be laid up, be in store (of goods, property, etc.) be set up, proposed
1.(of laws) to be laid down
2.(of arguments) to be laid down
3.(of names) to be given
5.(figuratively) be in the power of be in such a manner be settle down, deposit a sediment
5.(grammar, of words and phrases) to be found, to occur

On the Weaving of Texts – Glossologics › …
Nov 26, 2013 · It is κείμενο ( keimeno), from κείμαι (keimai), meaning “lie, be placed”, and is … Similarly logical, leaving the Indo-European family and travelling to .
I think kemeno/keimeno are related to kome and comates,residents of come(village),but here are residents of a much large area Minoan/Mycenaean area.

Corpus of Mycenaean Inscriptions from Knossos:
John Chadwick, ‎L. Godart, ‎J. T. Killen  [ .5 ] ko-me-no vir 1[ ] no-do-ro-we D A [ • • • .2 Traces at left, perhaps ]re ; perhaps …

Germanic Dialects: Linguistic and Philological Investigations
Bela Brogyanyi, ‎Thomas Krömmelbein – 1986 – ‎Language Arts & Disciplines
1887), and many of the other early constructors of the Indo-European edifice. Historical linguistics has persevered within the petrifying framework of derivational continua: *X > *Y > Z; IE *kem—eno— > Gmc. *hem—ina— > Engl. heaven.

Whole upper half:
+++++ = TE=”From”
THIS (Thing empowered,with) lie,placed (text) YEAR God’s power and Will REMAIN,ABIDE TEMPLE 200?HEAVEN(of) the Sky)?sun&MOON?’
From the archeological site items and data some scientists (Gh.Lazarovici,Marco Merlini) got clues that the deceased female was a high-revered in comunity and has a high social position and was a priestess,wich performed religious rituals.
The “Proto-Ionians” first appear in the work of Ernst Curtius (1887), who believed that the Attic-Ionic dialect group was due to an “Ionicization” of Attica by immigration from Ionia in historical times. Curtius hypothesized that there had been a “Proto-Ionian” migration from the Balkans to western Anatolia in the same period that brought the Arcadic dialect (the successor of the Mycenean Greek stage yet undiscovered in the time of Curtius) to mainland Greece.[2] Curtius’ hypothesis was endorsed by George Hempl in 1920.[3] Hempl preferred to call these hypothetical, early Anatolian Greeks “Javonians”. Hempl attempted to defend a reading of Hittite cuneiform as Greek, in spite of the establishment of the Hittite language as a separate branch of Indo-European by Hrozný in 1917…………………………..The tripartite theory was revived by amateur linguist Jean Faucounau. In his view, the first Greek settlers in their historical territory were the (Pelasgic) “proto-Ionians”, who were separated around 3000 BC from both the proto-Dorians and the proto-Mycenaeans. Faucounau traces this three-wave model to similar views put forward by Paul Kretschmer in the 1890s and the 1900s (i.e., before the decipherment of Linear B), with a modification: the (proto-Ionic) First wave came by sea, the “Proto-Ionians” settling first in the Cycladic Islands, then in Euboea and Attica. The last two waves are the generally accepted arrival of the Mycenaean Greeks (the linguistic predecessors of the Arcadocypriot speakers) in around 1700 BC and the Dorian invasion around 1100 BC. …………….Faucounau’s addition to this is the argument that Crete is also too far south, that the names of the constellations are (Ionic) Greek, not Minoan, and therefore that the constellation makers must be the proto-Ionians in the Cyclades.[13] The south coast of Crete follows 35°N latitude; Syros, which he identifies as a center of proto-Ionian civilization,[14] is at 37°20′.[15] On this basis, he identifies the proto-Ionians with the archaeological Early Cycladic II culture: after all, they made round “frying pans,” and one of them with an incised spiral, and the Phaistos Disc is round with an incised spiral.[16]
His third argument depends on Herodotus’s somewhat obscure use of the word Pelasgian for various peoples, Greek-speaking and otherwise, around the Aegean basin. Faucounau claims that the word, which he derives idiosyncratically from πελαγος, “sea”,[17] means the descendants of the proto-Ionians. Some of them lost their language because they settled among foreigners; others, such as the Athenians, preserved their language – Attic, apparently, arises from a mixture of proto-Ionian and other dialects. He does not explain why Homer speaks of Dodona, inland in north-western Greece, as Pelasgian (Il, 16,233); nor why no place in historic Ionia is called Pelasgian.

So now let’s draw a circle around Greece, Western Anatolia, Cyprus, Crete and the Aegean islands. We then start to see the linguistic pattern that I’m getting at. An entire language family forgotten in the mists of time and modern-day mystery mongering. What’s somewhat irritating to me and which should be irritating to you, the reader, is how we have an ‘Etruscan mystery’, a ‘Minoan mystery’, an ‘Eteo-Cretan mystery’ and an ‘Eteo-Cypriot mystery’ going on at the same time. If you research any one of these subjects, you’ll get next to nothing on their languages or their translations. It’s all “Who knows?” and “What if?”. Why is this region and this time period such a freakin’ mystery? Is it really because we lack information to piece it all together or is it because our power of concentration lacks get-up-and-go to solve problems without the use of a computer crutch?
Anyways, this is what I mean by “Proto-Aegean”. It sits there before you readers, waiting to be developed further.
Hpa e-ra PY Tn 316; female recipient of offerings, coupled with Zeus: dat. Hêrâi [Docs. 126, 289; Heubeck, IP 66. 223]. Note 1 : e-ra at KN is a place-name. Note 2: This spelling eliminates the proposed etymology from *”Hqfa; see Frisk, GEW. Discussion of the name : Schroder, Gymnasium 63. 67 ; van Windekens, Glotta 36. 309 ff.

The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period
Gallou, Chrysanthi (2003) The cult of the dead in central Greece during the Mycenaean period. PhD thesis, University of Nottingham.
The identification of any given symbol or symbolic system should be classified in terms of human action and behaviour at a religious and/or funerary level, with reference to the context of occurrence.Given the problem of divergence in interpretation, a more reliable reading should be dictated by a morphological, syntactic and contextual analysis, and the awareness of the extent to which the interpreter’s preconceptions on the matter are introduced to the examination of past symbolism. Contextual, morphological and syntactic analysis of the symbolic element or system followed by cross-examination, cross-referencing and criticism of the hermeneutic model will underwrite to a significant degree the reliability of the interpretation.
Me: so signs are close-related to one specific concrete situation composed,it is a sum of unique concrete elements
xupoç ku-ro2 KNU0478, PY Ea 814 (dat.); gen. ku-ro2-jo KN B 822; MN: prob. Kurios [Docs. 420].TartRound