Tartaria oblong tablet (with hole). Cretan hieroglyphic, Linear A,B approach /G!

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                             This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions.           ====


We have folowing signs
– In upper most left side, those three “D/moon“-like signs.                                                         THESE SIGNS HAS NO EQUIVALENT IN AEGEAN WRITINGS (with one exception)
In linear B were used units of volume measurements, but by them de D-like signs were 90 deg.rotated, in horizontal pozition:

Due of the fact that in other two ancient places the same sign was used:                                   – in Sumer, sign GAR (read ninda) : “grain,food ratio/bread” and                                              – in Egypt, sign “T” :”loaf of bread” The “D” sign will mean “volume/ratio”,rather than month or year, “3 years”,                                                                                                                 the meaning will be:                                    “3(three) grain ratios” (rather than being sign for month, 3 month “
Image from https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/are-mycenaean-linear-b-fractions-fractions-or-something-else.jpg?w=640

the sign for “month”/MENE in linear B (but D-mirror reversed!):


MEN, gen. MENOS :”MONTH”; My note: !Not Moon !
Mirror reversed:
“MONTH” https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/space-saving-linear-b-ideograms-and-logograms.jpg

“MINI” gr.MENE :”MOON”  https://linearbknossosmycenae.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/minoan-linear-words-mi-mu-of-possible-proto-greek-origin.jpg

THREE (GRAIN/CEREAL) VOLUMES/RATIOS          ====================================================================
Next to these signs, dawnward, sign  ->->-> :                                                                               SIGN IT IS IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS(Linear A)

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  John Jounger                                                   TE (“from“? NAME).  TE/TI, “from/of


Usually associated with agriculural products as

In linear B https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/40/78/9540781c6c839aa87a385ac46823b990.jpg


Linear A, John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  *04 (TE), common

Linear B, Cretan“TE” “Wheat

So could be “3 months/volume measures of some sort of grain”(gr.sitos) ?
Note that this sign we have rather pertain to proto-writing. In linear B we have signs for specific kind of grains:

So, both signs (DDD and ->->->-)could be, or “3 -MONTHS/years-ONE MAN?-RATION” , but rather:                THREE WHEAT VOLUMES/RATIOS
—————————————————————————————————————                       Downward,in a kind of box, ” “-like sign,                                                                                  THE SIGN CANNOT BE FOUND IN EXACT SHAPE IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS                      (our sign has an off-set/branch/stroke pointing leftward !)

Table, from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm

263ieroglyfikasite                                                                                           You see is absolutely ISOLATE /very strange/very rare
Normally must be interpreted with an isolate meaning,but wich could be the meaning? Branch,distress (divergent) !??

Cretan hieroglyphic sign DA ?                                                                                                            From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                                “DA-I = “total”?: HT 12.6 (Schoep 2002, 162); cf. DA-I-PI-TA, ZA 8.5. If DA– (as in DA-DU-MA-TA) indicates in some way a completed action (like a perfect of A-DU), could DA-I be a completed transaction *516 I+[?] “
In my opinion could be.And I ad taking all the risks and folowing rumors,interpreted from many words as DA-I :”a completed transaction”?)from accounting tablets even from sacred I-DA,
DA= this “give,given/IT IS” (excuse same as in german)firm as EARTH

——————————————-                                                                                                          Cretan hieroglyfic meaning DA/SA ??
Arkalochori – Αρκαλοχωρι
on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea”
Hieroglyphic sign Y yet not solved,in testing.

It is now perhaps possible to ‘read’ I-DA-MA-TE on double axes from the Cave at Arkalochori as well as DA-MA-TE on a religious inscription from the peak-sanctuary above Kastri on Kythera.
The second part of the word -MA-TE is probably the Indo-European word for Mother, including the nomen agentis –TE. Mother is the most stable word in the Indo-European languages (excluding Hittite and Anatolian Languages) whereas the first part I-DA-/DA- could be interpreted as Mount Ida, just visible from the Arkalochori Cave, or perhaps DA/GA meaning Earth, i.e., Earth Mother, Dem.This would not be a surprise but it is interesting that it is on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for -DA- is connected to “dea/thea” according to Hesychios. It has also been suggested that Demeter be connected with *P.-I.-E. dms meaning house, (-inthos), thus she would be ‘Mistress of the House’ similar to ‘Lady of the Labyrinth’.eter.

I-DA-MA-TE                                                        NA-DA-TE  (Phaistos disc)                                         One must to choose between Da and Sa.                                                                                        It seems that cannot be DA because in linear A the sign has the “branch” toward right !      ————————————————————————

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  JOHN JOUNGER                                      SA (HT 114b.1) or SI (HT 30.1) = paid?                                                                                              ————————————————————————————————————-                                    Linear A,”SA”

Also could be linear B= “SA”

John Younger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/
*31, SA, perhaps a logogram for *SA-SA-ME?; cf. HT 23a.4-5 SA-SA-ME, and PH 16b.1, HT 97b (cf. Linear B sa-sa-ma)
“Once again applying Linear B reading to the previous Linear A texts, we see the sign sequence ja-sa-sa-ra-me. This sequence is very interesting because it appears very often in many other such votive inscriptions in slightly different variants.

The shape of the sign is meaning  “diverging”, as someoane get to a crossroad in life !…the same as of the sumerian “BAD”, I will choose the reading:

SA :”completed, paid”                                                  ================================================
Next,downward,also “boxed”, folow a sign wich ressemble violin,labrys?/ 2 merged lozenges ?;                                                                                                                                           AS A WRITING SIGN, WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS
Could be interpreted as isolate,the evidence is that is separate in a box/compartment.

Cycladic Art and Art related to Cyclades Islands – Les Musées Barbier …


Note: the sign wich is repeated as the last sign on the tablet

It is similar (but turned upside-down) and our sign is not middle-devided!                                   with the sign from  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                        *403, chalice  (romanian:”potir”)
From https://linearbknossosmycenae.wordpress.com/tag/syllabic-scripts/page/19/?iframe=true&preview=true%2Ffeed%2F

From https://enijote.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/double-axes-and-the-limits-of-knowledge/

Not much to see.  But here’s its Linear A counterpart: https://enijote.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/la-a.png

The sine qua non is the interpretation of labyrinth as “Place of the Double Axes,
The Cretan Hieroglyphic evidence is even more explicit:

See https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464222674072955464/

They are saying that the sign is at the origin of “A”:

See https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464222674072955464/

Image https://linearbknossosmycenae.wordpress.com/tag/syllabic-scripts/page/19/?iframe=true&preview=true%2Ffeed%2F

Such cyclades-tipe statuettes were found in entire Cycladic area.But in astonishing great number were found in Keros island.All broken.No pair could be matched.Scholars say that these statuettes were used in burial rituals (as is  the case with Tartaria artefacts !)Keros Island was an center for a kind of unknown ritual.

My opinion about labrys-like sign is that upon the sign had an unknown yet meaning with deep in time origin.
As weird could be for you, I suppose that the origin is further in the East,possible proto-cuneiform=proto-sumerian signs like:

SZITA~a3     and     ZAG~c

http://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf                                  zag, zà: boundary, border, limit, side; cusp, beginning; territory, district, place; sanctuary; percentage; a measure for fish; shoulder; right (side); front; outside of (life + to encircle) [ZAG archaic frequency: 71; concatenates 3 sign variants].                                                                            https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign ZAG:


But much close, sign GA’ARb1 ;

      From https://is.muni.cz/www/408176/38744863/A_Descriptive_Grammar_of_Sumerian.pdf          The stem of the verb ĝar ‘place’, for instance, is usually written with a word sign, but the Ur III texts also contain dozens of attestations where it is written ĝá-ar (e.g., AUCT 1:552 7; D; 21).                                                                                                                                                   ————————————————————————————–                                                         Same  shape similarity was noticed by I.Kenanidis & E.Papakitsos.  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279940914_Additional_Palaeographic_Evidence_for_the_Relationship_of_the_Aegean_Scripts_to_the_Sumerian_Pictography


They rather would pair the sumerian sign with the cretan hieroglyphic *175/”A”, adze/labrys. It is not “sumerian proto-cuneiform double-axe“, but it is proto-cuneiform sign GA’AR https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html


Table, from https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier_fig3_273096050                                                Sign * 175 ,meaning:??”


This is the labrys sign, and it is the sign associated with God. So close to his sumerian counterpart “AB” “house,temple”.

Very interesting AB and Ga’ar has similar shapes, but also similar meanings: AB:”house,temple” visa  ĝá-ar “place”


Imagini pentru sumerian "GA'AR"
IN OUR TABLET:                                                                                                                            1.MOTHER EARTH-GODDESS ICON?                                                                                    2.“the place/house ( ? labyrinthos of the Minotaur/Sun-God ?)”



In upper part 2 little “V-like signs !? Maybe 1/2?

“V”-sign: Cretan hieroglyphic “Te” Table, from http://www.kairatos.com.gr/linear1.htm


================Next,=============================================== SEPARATED !, an insect/miriapod-like sign,                           IN THIS EXACT SHAPE WAS NOT USED IN ANY AEGEAN WRITINGS, is found in more and less similar shape all over:

Overall apearance as umerian sign multiple superposed X-es“DINGIR”/God/sky
With not so many limbs,spikes
As a refference, Sumerian “AN”/God/sky

And sum. AN:”God,Heaven”https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmkD1S7pLtQ6Oj_gUMYBNg3gnnMIrZAuImmjhaMnqFSnZXp8PX

But much,much close,(if rotated 90deg)
(count the number of lines! totaly 12 in sumerian sign as in our)                                              ——————————————                                                                                                           From https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Cretan-Hieroglyphic-table-of-signs-as-suggested-in-the-inscriptions-corpus-Olivier_fig3_273096050                                                      SIGN 068 ,meaning :”??”


—————————————————————————————————                                        Close to Linear A “KE” http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                            *44 (KE), only in ligature

——————————————————————————————–                                                  Also, this sign *-like, close to this shape have Linear B

“KE”? (2-nd in the first row)

Linear B “KE-MA”?

From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                 *44 (KE), only in ligature


A - | A+

螒委伪), Aifaia (>Aia), ethnic/place name.聽ai-wa-ta, 螒喂F维蟿伪蟼, Aifatas, personal name.聽ai-wo-ro/ a-wo-ro, 螒委F慰位慰蟼, Aivolos, personal/animal name (= ‘nibble’).聽ai-za, 伪委味伪 (>伪委纬伪),聽aiza聽(>aiga),聽goat.聽ai-za. Aizai (>Aigai ,place name)

The Linear B Decipherment Controversy Re-Examined
Saul Levin – 1964 – ‎Inscriptions, Linear B.
… close to the central city of Knosos nearly a thousand years earlier — yet the AI ~ A alternation gives an idea of what may have happened in the Linear B language to the nominative plural ending which Greek preserves as the diphthong -01. But whatever may be the merit of our subtle hypothesis to clarify the phenomena, ..                                    ——————————————————————————————————————————–
Next is a sign like an donkey-head                                                                                               THIS SIGN CAN BE FOUND IN SIMILAR SHAPE IN AEGEAN WRITINGS

There was something like this:        From Cats in the Aegean Scripts

https://crewsproject.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/cats-in-the-aegean-scripts/     Cretan used this shapes:I am coming back.No, the head is too big. It is an bucranium/bull-head (sumerians had a similar sign with donkey-like ears,AMAR and those ears maybe signify horns, because AMAR:”calf”)

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                        Hieroglyphic *012 , a bull-head, becomes Linear AB 23  MU,

… *23 (MU)/BOS = cattle. *23 appears by itself (HT, ZA, KH 5.6) and may be “ox” or possibly “cow,” although the sign lacks the split stem that Linear B 109b has. The masculine variant ( *23m, with stem crossed                                                                                MU:cattle/BULL”                                                                                                                                  —————————————————————————————————                                                Underneath, the 2-nd “Labrys“-like sign



See *042 and *175, but our SIGN HAS NO HANDLE!

===============================================================                              So for entire tablet we could have:

3 measures/portions                                Mu/BULL
Of cereals, grain/wheat
SA            A/Labrys  GODdess   Ma
SA-RA                                                            LABRYS


Or better,overall reading,thought as an offering,

3 measures/portions                                       Bull(heavenly SUN)

It Is           Sacred (sign) GOD(dess) aMA       “sacred” icon

Both above signs, SUN’s ABODE        ================================================                                                                THE TABLET IS PRESENTING SOME SIGNS CLOSE TO AEGEAN-ONES,  BUT                         IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN ANY PROPER AEGEAN WRITING !

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