Some sumerian- Linear A ideogram pairs

January 23, 2021

https://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/361/deities-ancient-mesopotamia-overview?page=1

Ring-post with streamer

https://www.crystalinks.com/Anunnaki.html

Inanna’s knot.
WARKA WASE https://www.crystalinks.com/sumerart.html The Warka Vase, is the oldest ritual vase in carved stone discovered in ancient Sumer and can be dated to round about 3000 B.C. or probably 4th-3rd millennium B.C. It shows men entering the presence of his gods, specifically a cult goddess Innin (Inanna), represented by two bundles of reeds placed side by side symbolizing the entrance to a temple. The detailed drawing above was made from tracing a photograph (from Campbell, Shepsut) of the temple vase found at Uruk/Warka, dating from approximately 3100 BCE. It is over one meter (nearly 4 feet) tall. On the upper tier is a figure of a nude man that may possibly represent the sacrificial king. He approaches the robed queen Inanna. Inanna wears a horned headdress.
The Queen of Heaven stands in front of two looped temple poles or “asherah,” phallic posts, sacred to the goddess. A group of nude priests bring gifts of baskets of gifts, including, fruits to pay her homage on the lower tier. This vase is now at the Iraq Museum in Bagdad.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sumerian sign LAGAR

www.sumerian.org › sumlogo Rezultate de pe web Sumerian’s phonetically more complex logograms 10 aug. 1999 — lagar: temple servant who pronounces invocations to the god [LAGAR archaic frequency: 51; concatenates 4 sign

From 11. Ideograms/Logograms

Linear A Ideograms: a folder giving the common, identified ideograms and their signs, and copies of GORILA’s sign charts and palaeographic sign charts http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ Sign *356  PH 13b

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From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ Sign *360, PH 17b

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign GA2

Sign KU


Linear A  *309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a

*309b
and 309c

sumerian sign LAGAB

and LAGABa x LAGABa

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Aegean ideogram “KA”

January 21, 2021

I read Mr.’s Andras Zeke study: Tracking the evolution of the ‘KA’ and ‘QE’ signs of Minoan Hieroglyphic and Linear scripts http://minoablog.blogspot.com/

<<Is the ‘sieve’ sign (Hie *47) KA or rather QE? Alone from its shape, it is impossible to decide. >>

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I tried to make corespondences with: – sumerian proto-cuneiform signs : – UDU:”sheep, many”, – UTU:”sun” www.ancient.eu › Utu-Shamash Utu-Shamash – Ancient History Encyclopedia 31 ian. 2017 — His symbol of the solar disc shows a circle with four points protruding toward the cardinal directions and four wavy lines …and – MAS:”twin” Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — M. Civil, unpublished Sumerian glossary for students. … gikid: reed mat [KID archaic frequency: 76; concatenates 5 sign variants]. … maš: one-half; twin – egyptian KA:”life” Ka | Egyptian religion | Britannicawww.britannica.com › topic › ka-Egyptian-religion Ka, in ancient Egyptian religion, with the ba and the akh, a principal aspect of the soul of a human being or of a god. The exact significance of the ka remains a matter of controversy, chiefly for lack of an Egyptian definition; the usual translation, “double,” is incorrect – sumerian KA:”mouth” – proto I.E. Ka:”like,desire” www.thefreedictionary.com › roots Indo-European root kā- – The Free Dictionary kā-. To like, desire. Oldest form *keh2-, colored to *kah2-, becoming *kā- – SEAL,stamp,sign

Close to Cretan hieroglyph Ka, from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign DUB

Impagination – Layout and Materiality of Writing and …books.google.ro › booksThe Akkadian term, in turn, is a loanword from Sumerian dub ( ), “tablet”.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign GUKKAL

Hieroglyphs – egypt, egyptian, dynasty, time, art, period and british In them we see pictures of the reception of Minoan ambassadors from Crete which are among the most important … The sign for seal, Q is a picture of the cylinder rolling over the clay.

sirius-star.ro › 2016/05 › L.A…PDF the makers of civilization in race &! history – Sirius-Star.ro Date of Minoan Civilization about 2700 B.C.. 256-295 … this seal sign. as ” the cut or engraved,” and is derived from the Egyptian. Khat” cut …

ia800909.us.archive.org › W…PDF Egyptian Civilization: Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology (1930) Egyptian and Indus inscriptions, and Uru-ka Gina of his. Mesopotamian … this seal sign, as ” the cut or engraved,” and is derived from the Egyptian. Khat” cut or ..

books.google.ro › books Rezultate de pe web How to Decipher the Byblos Script Jan Best — 2018 · Crete (Greece) Minoans without Mycenaeans” or – perhaps better still – Minoans without … The texts on many seals of Minoan dynasts start with the Luwian hieroglyphic sign for seal (HH 327), SASAI, .

The Stream of Time: The Minoans: Seals and Sealings
RETHINKING ADMINISTRATION AND SEAL USE IN THIRD MILLENNIUM CRETE*
Bonhams : A Minoan dark green semi-translucent steatite seal ring

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Greek-like Elements in Linear A
Gregory Nagy file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/11991-13863-1-PB-1.pdf

<< In that case, the heading ka-pa da-ta-ra would mean “commodity allotments.” …..It will also be noted that the other common Greek connective meaning “and” (Le. Kat) has not as yet been found in the corpus ofB:
this is probably due to the aforementioned aversion of the B system to
monosyllables other than abbreviations «(f No.2 above). ….In any case, kas or kai would be expected to appear as *ka in the syllabary. …..

Another possible identification of ka in A with kai is found in HT llb. Here ka occurs five times as a monosyllable connecting numerals (40,30,50,30,30 respectively), which are totaled up in the end (= 180)
with the ku-ro sign:

  1. Jde-Ll 1 sa-ra2~
  2. -:L35 ka 40 ka 30
  3. ka 50 Tu-LlOl-na
  4. ka 30 sa-qe-ri
  5. ka 30 ku-ro
  6. 180
    Since these five instances of ka occur with absolutely no ligatures appended, they are consequently identical and there is no direct evidence that could point to their being ideograms. One can explain them as plus-signs in a tally-the most ideal context possible for kai. ….and the precise lTIotivation for placing a ka before each number might be to indicate just what is supposed to be added up. Consequently, the numerall in line 1 is excluded from the tally and thus does not have a ka. The latter is repeated five times here in this horizontally-running tally for the same reason, one would suppose, that plus-signs are repeated in horizontal additions today: the one difference is that in this tablet the first ka, unlike a plus-sign, occurs before the first number to be tallied; but cf. Greek kai X kai Y kai Z= “both X and Y and Z.” >>

NOW THIS POINT I’VE EXPECTED: TO SHOW THE VERY ORIGIN OF THE SIGN + :

From Early Numeration – Tally Sticks, Counting Boards, and Sumerian Proto-Writing John Alan Halloran
http://www.sumerian.org/ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?zx=5altn8zeq797#inbox?projector=1

<<The simple cross does not have a numerical meaning in written Sumerian, but the tally mark symbolism of the cross in a circle meaning ‘many’ is preserved in an alternate reading for the Sumerian sign of the circled cross. When the sign is read udu, it means ‘sheep’, but sometimes it must be read lu, meaning ‘many, much; to be/make numerous, abundant’.>>

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html UDU

From https://brewminate.com/the-origins-and-invention-of-writing/

The Origins and Invention of Writing – Brewminate

From Pinterest.com,

Early Writing: A Proto-Cuneiform Record of Sheep from c. 3400 BCE This  small administrative tablet from Uruk comes… | Mesopotamia, Ancient writing,  Ancient sumerian

bilingual education in old babylonian mesopotamiaescholarship.org › contentthe role of the Sumerian language in the curriculum. … Thus, the Sumerian word utu “Sun” is rendered in at least one … Thus, udu = utu = immerum = imērum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utu Utu,[a] later worshipped by the East Semitic Akkadian-speaking Assyrians and Babylonians as Shamash,[b](Ashurian/Hatran Aramaic: 𐣴𐣬𐣴)[4] was the ancient Mesopotamian sun god,

Version of the ancient star/Sun symbol of Shamash[1

Also, sumerian proto-cuneiform cross sign, MAS meant “twin” <> linear A,B KA:”both” https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html MASz.MAS

So, Aegean sign, ideogram KA is representing the MARK, SEAL for COMMODITY, or gathering of commodities, (KA-PO:”harvest” later greek KAi).

*************** Now begin the show ! ********************

KA-PO

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%90%82%93 ka-po:”fruit”

Linear A Texts: Homepage – Add Personal Web Spacepeople.ku.edu › ~jyounger › LinearA  Ruth Palmer 2004 suggested that ka-pa in Linear B meant processed “fruits” (cf. LinB ka-po). But KA-PA also seems to be a name (personal or ..

KA-PA

Minoan Linear A – JStorwww.jstor.org › stable Linear. B, thanks to Ventris’ decipherment, is identified as a dialect of Greek; … ing of ka-ro-pa3 to Akkadian karpu. … ka-pa is Akkadian gabba, “all,” it is clear.

Linear A Texts: Homepage – Add Personal Web Spacepeople.ku.edu › ~jyounger › LinearA KA-PA occurs only in the HT tablets; it seems to be a transaction term or

DO-SO-MO 1 (2000)www.ihpt.pl › do-so-mo › do-so-mo-nr-6 PDFStriking examples are the words found in Minoan Linear A inscriptions, “KA-PA” and “KA-PA-QE”, interpreted as “CROPS”, and “CROPS” 

MINOAN AND MYCENAEAN OVERSEA’S CONTACTS:THE EPIGRAPHIC EVIDENCE
FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN http://daciajournal.ro/pdf/Dacia_2009/Art%2001.pdf

. ka-pa-ti-ja PY Eb 338, etc. “Karpathiā (f)”

Minoan Linear A ideogram for “man” “soldier” + supersyllabogram KA = kapa = Mycenaean Linear B = eqeta https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2016/07/20/minoan-linear-a-ideogram-for-man-soldier-supersyllabogram-ka-kapa-mycenaean-linear-b-eqeta/

Ideogram Eqeta Linear B kapa Linear A

…don’t understand much how is appearing eqeta, but:

https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/minoans/ kapa/kapaqe/kapate/kapi karpa/ (arch. acc.) + karpa/te\ = fruit, and fruit, with fruit -or- kara PIE CARP:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/*kerp- *kerp- Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to gather, pluck, harvest.”

kapa=kai+pa =gather ;[and+ allshielded=armed,defend]

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology …www.etymonline.com › word *pa-. *-, ProtoIndoEuropean root meaning “to protect, feed

man/soldier+ kapa= man/soldier +gather= army

wanax=ϝάναξ, fanax=foinix=blody,renown,voinicos=soldier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anax Anax (Greek: Ἄναξ; from earlier ϝάναξ, wánax) is an ancient Greek word for “tribal chief, lord, (military) leader”.[1] It is one of the two Greek titles traditionally translated as “king”, the other being basileus, and is inherited from Mycenaean Greece,

Download PDF – Brillbrill.com › downloadpdf › book8°Cited as a Sumerian loanword in Akkadian in SLOB, #410, p. 353. 81BDB, p. 31. … is misplaced. The fact that anak– designates a metal, tin, the range of its extra- … argument is his demonstration that “anaku, in value, was always between silver

Anaku (Akk):”I” wanax=wanaka-tero=strong-soldier eqeta=egeta lawaget


From Luwian hieroglyphic logograms https://omniglot.com/images/writing/luwian1.gif

Luwian hieroglyphic logograms

See “cross”

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-teros In Proto-Indo-European, X-teros meant “one which is especially X”, “one which is more X than other things”, “one which is X as opposed to something else”

nominative*-teros*-tereh₂
genitive*-terosyo*-tereh₂s

THE GENERAL VOCABULARY AND THE PROPER NAMES A …brill.com › book › Bej.9789004152816.i-526_010.xmlOur knowledge of Carian general vocabulary is unavoidably very lim- ited; we have … ‘to cross‘, ‘to pass’: in Anatolian ‘to overcome’, *térh2-u- from a. -u-present).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek << Suffix -τερος  (-teros) m (feminine -τέρᾱneuter -τερον); first/second declension

  1. Used on adjectives that express some notion of contrast with an antonym quotations ▼
  2. Added to adjective stems to form comparative forms >> eugenrau: adding meaning “much,more”, adding a meaning to above discussed kai.

One of the oldest origin, (but not the oldest) of the cross sign.

January 21, 2021

Not the oldest, because beginning was in paleolithic, as tally marks. But some attested ones were:

From Early Numeration – Tally Sticks, Counting Boards, and Sumerian Proto-Writing John Alan Halloran
http://www.sumerian.org/

<<Proto-Writing and Tally Marks
2.1. The tally stick conventions described by Menninger appear also to have inspired the
early script of Old Europe, which developed in the middle and lower Danube basin
starting around 5.300 BCE,
calibrated. Although different theories have been proposed
about the signs found on 940 inscribed objects excavated from the Vinča-Tordos region
of Transylvania
, Eric Lewin Altschuler and Nicholas Christenfeld have shown that nearly
one-third of the inscribed pottery objects bear numerical inscriptions. They suggest that
the script of Old Europe may have been used for economic purposes, The Number
System of the Old European Script, 9 Sep 2003, [math.HO] at
http://arxiv.org/html/math/0309157v1. A literature search fails to find any student of this
ancient script who references the tally marks chapter of Menninger’s book, probably
because nothing about the title, Number Words and Number Symbols, indicates that it is
about the history of writing, However, if one goes back far enough, economic tally
marks are very relevant to the origins of writing. Altschuler and Christenfeld describe
how to read the number signs on the Old European Script (‘OES’) inscriptions – the score
marks, the ‘comb’ motif, and the ‘telephone pole’ motif. They suggest that the common
OES signs V and X or + should be read as 10 and 20. …………………………………….

2.3. Nissen, Damerow, and Englund describe and illustrate on page 20 of Archaic
Bookkeeping, Uruk IV-period “tags consisting of small, transversely perforated tablets,
usually containing but few ideographic signs and no numerical notations. These signs do
not belong to the well-known repertoire of symbols representing goods such as plants,
animals, textiles, and metals. The tags therefore may carry personal names and were
probably attached with a string to containers or other items, stating the proprietor or
receiver of such goods.” The idiosyncratic identifying signs on these Mesoptamian clay
tags may be compared to other undeciphered short sequences of signs, such as the ‘Vinca
script’ found in Old Europe or the ‘Jiahu script’ found on tortoise shells in China, both
dated to about 6,000 BCE. ………….

  1. Sumerian Goat and Sheep Pictograms from Tally Stick Conventions
    3.1. The Sumerian MAŠ sign with the word-meaning of ‘(male) goat’ was a simple cross.
    The Sumerian LU or UDU sign with the word-meanings of ‘many’ and ‘(male) sheep’ was
    a cross inside a circle.
    The symbol of a cross inside a circle having the abstract meaning
    ‘sheep’ may already be present among the complex tokens found at Uruk in the fourth
    millenium, according to their primary investigator, Denise Schmandt-Besserat (Beyond
    Writing, vol. 1, 1992, p. 152). Following Jöran Friberg, she says that, at least in Elam
    and Uruk, a cylinder token represented one herd animal and a lenticular disk represented
    10 herd animals
    . But, during the fourth millenium Uruk period, tokens with complex
    markings replaced the plain tokens that had functioned for millenia, driven by the need
    for greater precision and accuracy in large production centers. Disks were marked
    differently to count lambs, ewes, and sheep. The mystery why such an abstract symbol as
    a cross came to represent goats and sheep in the Near Eastern clay token system and
    Sumerian pictograms is solved when one realizes that, outside the urban centers where
    complex tokens and writing arose, shepherds traditionally counted goats and sheep by
    making notches on tally sticks – and shepherds used the cross convention to record groups
    of goats and sheep.
    ……….

3.2. The simple cross does not have a numerical meaning in written Sumerian, but the
tally mark symbolism of the cross in a circle meaning ‘many’ is preserved in an alternate
reading for the Sumerian sign of the circled cross. When the sign is read udu, it means
‘sheep’, but sometimes it must be read lu, meaning ‘many, much; to be/make numerous,
abundant’.
>>

Later, the meaning of cross diverged, from UDU:”sheep,many” to UTU:”Sun”, cause of close phonetics: udu-utu.

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html “UDU”

Very interesting, another cross-sign was used, for “MASZ/MAS” :”twin”

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — M. Civil, unpublished Sumerian glossary for students. … maš: one-half; twin

This one was also used for sun, because sun was aprehended as “twin”, day-sun and night-sun wich travel under earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nergal << Nergal seems to be, in part, a solar deity, sometimes identified with Shamash, but only representative of a certain phase of the sun. Portrayed in hymns and myths as a god of war and pestilence, Nergal seems to represent the sun of noontime and of the summer solstice that brings destruction, high summer being the dead season in the Mesopotamian annual cycle. He has also been called “the king of sunset”.[7] Over time Nergal developed from a war god to a god of the underworld.[8] In the mythology, this occurred when Enlil and Ninlil gave him the underworld.>>

Nergal was also the deity who presides over the netherworld, and who stands at the head of the special pantheon assigned to the government of the dead (supposed to be gathered in a large cave known as Aralu or Irkalla).

https://medium.com/@modernplatonist/divine-twins-indo-european-religion-myth-dioscuri-ashvins-greek-roman-vedic-f7567a922a2f << One of the central figures in the Indo-European pantheon is the Sky Father. He is also known by his reconstructed Proto-Indo-European term, *Dyeus. The patriarch of the gods has an intricate web of family relatives — as it is well evinced, for example, through both Vedic and Greek mythologies. Among these relatives, the sons of *Dyeus are probably the most relevant ones. They are the divine Twins. ….. Moving on to the Baltic myth, we find the Lithuanian Diẽvo sunẽliai and the Latvian Dieva dēli. Also called the Ašvieniai in Lithuanian, they are the Sons of God. Like their other Indo-European cognates, the Ašvieniai also appear with horses and a chariot, which they use every morning to go to see the Sun. This is a clear reference to the Dawn, also known as the Daughter of the Sun. In the Baltic folklore, the Ašvieniai rescue the Dawn from sinking into the sea. The Vedic Ashvins are associated with the Dawn as well, and she appears as their sister.>>

So, cross become the sign of twin-suns, sun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utu

You’re right Mr. A.Zeke supposing that Linear A/B sign Qe is also an ideogram for bread.

January 19, 2021

Excerpts, from http://minoablog.blogspot.com/2010/10/tracking-evolution-of-ka-and-qe-signs.html Tracking the evolution of the ‘KA’ and ‘QE’ signs of Minoan Hieroglyphic and Linear scripts

<<

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Is the ‘sieve’ sign (Hie *47) KA or rather QE? Alone from its shape, it is impossible to decide. However, we do have a powerful help on our hand: the pictogram-like syllabary of the Phaistos Disc. Although different from the traditional Hieroglyphics, the disc does present us one clearly discernible ‘cake‘-like sign (Pha *12). While matching with Lin A QE almost perfectly in shape, it is clearly not a sieve. On the other hand, the disc also has another sign (Pha *17), that looks like a Rugby-ball with handles. That is exactly how a (handled) sieve would look if we viewed it from aside. From this point on, the identifications KA = ‘sieve’ and QE = ‘cake’ are rather straightforward. As I mentioned early in this post, there is also a somewhat cake-like ‘full circle’ sign in Minoan Hieroglyphics (Hie *73). It is much rarer than the ‘sieve’ sign, but the QE sign is also much rarer in Linear A, than the KA one (30 vs. 117 occurrances on the HT tablets). This last note essentially closes the circle. Or at least so I hope.

For those who still disbelieve these identifications, I suggest to read (or rather, parse through) the Linear A tablet HT6. It is the only case where sign QE is used as a logogram: and from the context of the tablet, it must refer to some foodstuff. Given that it stands alongside the term PI-TA (pita = Aramaic for ‘bread’), I strongly feel that the ‘cake’-sign actually meant ‘bread’. It should not be forgotten that there exists a sign (Ana *181) within Anatolian Hieroglyphics that looks similar to the Linear A QE sign and the same as Phaistos Disc sign *12. It is actually the Luwian logogram for ‘bread‘!……..>>

From https://omniglot.com/writing/luwian.htm Luwian hieroglyphic logograms See PANIS in the 7-nth row:

Luwian hieroglyphic logograms

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You’re right Mr. Zeke, congratulations! As I saw myself corespondences between other (not specifically this one)proto-cuneiform signs and Aegean ones, along with Mr.I.Papakitsos and G. Kenanidis, independently, See

BERLINER BEITRAGE ZUM VORDEREN ORIENT Herausgegeben von Volkert Haas, Hartmut Kuhne, Hans J org Nissen und Johannes Renger  file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/epdf.pub_changing-views-on-ancient-near-eastern-mathematics.pdf  page 29,  Table “Dry cereal products and rations: ideograms” , sign GUG2a, wich is a circle with 6-10? Dots/strokes. “passim as designation of a grain product, possibly a round bread as opposed to dry grain products of all types, including simple capacity measures, qualified by GAR (cp. MSVO 1,109 obv. iii la and MSVO 1,111 rev. ii la, GUG1a together with GAR as general qualifications); often with indications of the amount of grain used in its production, usually IN18 per unit;…   …”

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html see: GUG2

and GUG2@t

Sumerian Lexicon – IS MUis.muni.cz › jaro2013 › PAPVB_13 › Halloran_version_3 PDFAug 11, 1999 — The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at UCLA with Dr. Robert …  << gug: monthly offering>>

Sumerian Beer: The Origins of Brewing Technology in Ancient Mesopotamia* Peter Damerow https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2012/cdlj2012_002.html << In the earlier proto-cuneiform documents the first of these signs (GUG2) represented a specific amount of barley processed in a certain form to be distributed as a special kind of ration prepared from grain. Based on later usage this sign is commonly translated as “cake.” >>

From http://mathscitech.org/articles/mathematics-uruk-susa

The Mathematics of Uruk and Susa (c.3500-3000 BCE) « Mathematical Science &  Technologies

Vinca script visa Indus script.

January 18, 2021

ATENTIE: – Aceasta pagina are caracter didactic. Prezenta unor tablite sumeriene fragile din lut pe teritoriul Romaniei sau prezenta unei persoane cu cunostinte apropiate de nivelul unui scrib sant extrem de greu de explicat. Nu am cunostinta de vre-o tableta sumeriana proto-cuneiforma sa fie gasita pe teritoriul Anatoliei sau in aria Egeeana, desi se vorbeste ca pentru Anatolia este posibil.Cu atat mai dificila sau inexplicabila, practic imposibila ar fi prezenta unor semne provenite de pe teritoriul Iranului sau Indiei, teritorii inca si mai indepartate. Eu fac o apropiere intre sisteme de scriere, luand in calcul o transferare sau transmisie culturala. – In mod eronat se asimileaza tablitele de la Tartaria cu Civilizatia Vinca-Turdas. Aceasta civilizatie a avut o contributie si preocupari importante in directia si evolutia scrisului.dar din pacate nu s-a finalizat nici macar in proto-scriere. Biblioteca de semne Vinca-Turdas se constituie intr-o colectie de semne numita Scriptura Vinca = Scriptura Danubiana=Scriptura Vechii Europe. Aceasta scriptura precede cu 1.000 de ani (5.000-4.000 IEN) proto scrierea sumeriana (3.000 IEN). Semnele tablitelor de la Tartaria NU APARTIN SCRIPTURII VINCA-TURDAS. Semnele sunt mai noi si par a apartin in cea mai mare masura proto-scrierii sumeriene, eventual usor derivata, modificata din aceasta. Imaginea, din Wikipedia.

History of writing - Wikipedia

Pe mine ma intrigat prezenta unor semne de pe tablitele de la Tartaria, care NU AU FOST FOLOSITE NICIODATA DE SUMERIENI, si aici ma refer la semnele “D” (litera latina de tipar d).Atentie, ma refer la forma D fara nici-un adaos sau deformare.In schimb am gasit semnul D in scrierile Proto Elamita. mai exact scrierea Linear-Elamita si Scriptura Indusului.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Elamite

TypeUndeciphered
LanguagesElamite
Time period3rd millennium BC
StatusExtinct
Parent systemsProto-writingProto-Elamite?Linear Elamite
List of known Linear Elamite characters.jpg

…vedeti semnele 33 si 41,58. Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Elamite

Linear Elamite - Wikipedia

Din Indus script Bharatkalyan97Bharatkalyan97: February 2018

Bharatkalyan97: February 2018

vezi semnele 307, 311. Din https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/major-discovery-tamil-nadu-s-keezhadi-possible-link-indus-valley-civilisation-109165

Major discovery in Tamil Nadu's Keezhadi: A possible link to Indus Valley  Civilisation | The News Minute

Se vede de la distanta, sau cel putin eu am oservat ca semnele de pe tablite se aseamana in masura mult mai mare cu semnele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme si cu cele ale scrierii Liniare Elamite, mai deloc. Din https://www.boloji.com/articles/10657/a-new-light-on-the-decipherment-of?fbclid=IwAR1ac9nhm_FwWHLAogHnWZ5xcNkYKQ2PWrOahBwSmh7WJDqaRa6kLa6tTjk

Cercetatorii afirma ca semnul “D” are echivalentul fonetic “Dha/Da” www.academia.edu › The_Indus_V… Rezultate de pe web (PDF) The Indus Valley Script: A New Interpretation | Steven C … Meanwhile, the root for ‘bow’ may be realized either as masculine (dhanu), feminine (dhanū) or neuter (dhanus), as well as the variant …

crossasia-journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de › …PDF Sāvadhānapattra cut in half and results in Brahmi Ḍ; dha is from dhanus ‘bow’, found as the. Indus bow sign.

La noi DD ar fi dha-Dha sau Da-da iar oo ar fi na-na, ra-ra. ar iesi Dha-Dha “tata, bunic in linie paterna” si na-na “mama”

books.google.ro › books Rezultate de pe web New Perspectives on the Origins of Language Claire Lefebvre, Bernard Comrie, Henri Cohen — 2013 · Language Arts & Disciplines Proto-Indic *dadda “father or other elderly relative’:

forums.bharat-rakshak.com › viewt… Out-of-India – From Theory to Truth – Page 187 – Bharat Rakshak 6 apr. 2013 — However the Indus Valley for which the word was used, was … Thatha( Telugu-Grand Father)->Dhadha(Hindi-Grand

shivatempless.blogspot.com › dhadh… 52. DHADHAPURAM – SHIVA TEMPLES 13 sept. 2017 — In sanskrit Dhadha means Bestower (romana distribuitor) and also father

books.google.ro › books East of Indus: My Memories of Old Punjab Gurnam Singh Sidhu Brard — 2007 · Punjab (India) DADA : paternal grandfather .

nana :”mama, cunostinte, intelepciune” https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/nana?fbclid=IwAR0bw37GzL_NT7Qo576U_fQn2zS2YC6jsmOlBdevSkJGd2joTj3FRJr0m30

Apoi semnele HD http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.com/2011/02/ladder-grid-and-some-enigmatic-indus.html A Ladder, a Grid, and Some Enigmatic Indus Signs

Indus Script & More: A Ladder, a Grid, and Some Enigmatic Indus Signs

http://www.ras.org.in/agricultural_signs_in_the_indus_script

RAS | Agricultural Signs in the Indus Script

L-am gasit ca reprezentand “Da”. S-ar citi >>stg-dreapta>>:Da-Dha ori <<dr-stanga<<: Dha-Da ?

Dar nu are rost sa continuam pentru ca degeaba am gasit echivalentele semnelor din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde (HD DDoo) in scrierile de filiatie indiana, pentru ca restul semnelor nu se mai incadreaza in acest tipar.

DESCOPERIRE !?

January 18, 2021

Atentie! Aceasta postare nu este o o descifrare sau citire a unui presupus continut scris real al tablitelor de la Tartaria. Avand in vedere ca semnele nu apartin unui unic sistem de scris ci mai multora, pagina are un caracter pur didactic. Are rolul de a incerca si testa diferite scrieri. Semnele de pe tablite apartin mai multor sisteme de scrisi dintr-larg interval de timp si care au folosite in diferite arii geografice. In niciuna din incercari semnele s-au incadrat intr-un singur tip de scriere, totdeauna au ramas semne care au provenit din alte scrieri (sau din necunoscut). Cele mai multe semne provin din cele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.Apoi privind asemanarea, in ordine descrescatoare este aceea cu semnele Linear A/B si cele Anatoliene. Semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde par a proveni din scrierea arhaica greceasca.Cel mai degraba aceasta “adunatura” de semne pare a fi rodul imaginatiei bogate a cuiva.Dupa cum au constatat A.Falkenstein si A.A.Vaiman, autorul nu a fost un scrib, avea doar vagi notiuni privind scrisul in general si nu se stie ce a urmarit. Exista multe elemente de neconcordanta precum si altele care scot tablitele din tiparele si normele uzuale ale  logicii, scrisului si intentiilor oneste. ====================== Va rog sa comparati rapid, doua chestiuni “S” (s, de la Sumer) si”M” (m, de la minoic) ……. apoi cu “E” (e, de la Egipt) si cu “T” (t, de la Tartaria); A. Prima oara am intalnit o referire la semnul “D” in lucrarea monumentalei cercetatoare Denisse Schmandt Besserat, http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/the-mind/history-of-thinking/early-civilization/before-the-greeks/invention-of-writing.html in care facea referire la trecerea de la sistemul de numarare folosind “jetoane” la cel grafic. (coloana IX)

On Marco Merlini's analysis of Tartaria tablets signs | Tartaria tablets

Apoi, semnul a aparut printre semnele proto-cuneiforme, intr-o forma extrem de apropiata:https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html semnul “GAR”:

Din https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/151545/1/Bauer_Englund_Krebernik_1998_Mesopotamien.pdf << 6.2.3. Notări de cereale și timp
Relația dintre sistemul de capacitate cerealieră și notațiile de timp a fost de așa natură încât acestea
s-ar putea de fapt să se reflecte reciproc. Dovezile sunt puternice, așa cum a simțit H J Nissen
mulți analiști, din perioada Uruk castronul/bolul cu margine teșită cu o capacitate aproximativa de 0,8 litri
a servit ca model pentru pictograma GAR (ulterior sumerian ninda) și reprezentat în
general o rație de cereale a unui muncitor pentru o zi. Mai departe, ideograma GAR trebuie arătat
corespunzand în general semnului numeric N30.a din sistemul de capacitate cerealieră. În special,
textul MSVO 4, 27.266 demonstrează că cantitatea de cereale reprezentată de GAR // N30.a a fost
o a treia măsură folosită ca distribuție generală a ratiei în perioada arhaică. Acest N30.a este, asa cum știm, l / 30 parte a unității de bază Nl, iar acest Nl este înscris cu semnul u4 pentru a reprezenta o lună administrativă de 30 de zile. ……………….. Numeroase evidente / la fel de bine ca evidența arheologică, susțin presupunerea că în
administrarea arhaică redistributivă cerealiera a fost raționată la persoanele aflate în întreținerea gospodăriei la o rationalizare concordanta cu tradiția ulterioară. Deimel a recunoscut în pictograma
semnului GAR („ninda” sumerian și corespondență akkadiană akalu) ca fiind bol; de când discuția lui HJ Nissen despre bolul cu margine teșită / așa-numitul diagnostic purtat dorind din Urukul Mijlociu, dar cel mai frecvent în perioada Uruk târzie și găsit în cantitati mari in nivelurile arhaice ale lui Uruk, pe care le-a interpretat a fi un bol de raționalizare a mancarii reprezentat de GAR . Socotelile produselor cerealiere socotite în grane în general au fost totalizate și reprezentate cu semnul ideografic GAR. Aceste produse conțin echivalentul cerealier reprezentat de semnul N1 până la o măsură reprezentată de către N30c în sistemul arhaic de capacitate cerealiera. Ideograma are un anumit aspect echivalent metrologic în conturile arhaice / totuși; cu unele variante / ii corespunde semnului numeric N30.a egal cu 1/30 din semnul N1 în sistemul de capacitate. (Este, în orice caz, o chestiune de interpretare ca până când semne atât de ambivalente precum U4, în sens ideografic „lumină”, „zi”, „alb” …….N1 a fost înțeles ca unitatea de baza “1” a sistemului sexagesimal.) >> B. Din https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2015/02/19/mycenaean-linear-b-units-of-measurement-liquid-dry-weight-click-to-enlarge/

Units of Mesurement in Mycenaean Linear B

Mycenaean-measurement-systems Minoan Language Blog

OBSERVATI CA: – semnul sumerian GAR pentru unitatea de volum, portie zilnica cereale-paine este extrem de asemanator cu cel minoic pentru volume, acestia din urma simplificandul cumva (nu mai are liniuta din interiorul D-ului). – In mod evident, ambele au o baza fizica: blidul, bolul. Volumul este exact acelasi, 0,8 Litri ! – Acestea i-mi spun mie ca semnul minoic pentru volum este posibil sa fie de inspiratie sumeriana sau transmis, preluat din scrierea sumeriana proto-cuneiforma. E. Hieroglifa egipteana “T”:”jimbla de paiine” https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR3DNpnRBMew2SVGMXZwk3XjuK9wRKDrt-xsw&usqp=CAU&nbsp;

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Acest semn nu mai reflecta bolul ca la sumerieni ci paiinea. T. Din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html Keith Massey

November | 2018 | Tartaria tablets
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TARTARIA TABLETS.VINCA-TURDAS CULTURE.PROTO-WRITING: Socoteala “sumeriana”,  fazele Lunii in jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde ?

Eu mi-am tot pus intrebarea: ce a vrut sa arate, sa transmita sau sa demonstreze autorul inscriptionarilor, sa-si arate vastele cunostinte, sa arate evolutia scrisului !?? SEMNELE “HD” de sus: Semnul GA2 https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html GA2~a1

https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/40794229/Halloran_version_3.pdf ñá: basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 “cos,casa,grajd” file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto%20(1).pdf This frame or container sign is related to a similar basket or box, namely the sign GA2a1 (“cos, container“) Amorite Identity: Symbol MAR in Protocuneiform Sources …hrcak.srce.hr › … I analyzed a corpus of protocuneiform texts and tried to identify within it the … The MAR symbol is essentially a GA2 symbol (“storagecontainer”?) with an  Rom.:”depozitare, container” https://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#a_GA2 GA2 (ga2 / gá), mal, bisag / bisag[704x] (pisan) = basket | [208x] place [#2 behind 120FB 2500x ] | ga2 (ga2) [67x] = house Romana: “cos,loc,casa” ATENTIE, SEMNUL GA2 ESTE IDENTIC CU SEMNUL KU ! https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html KU~a

https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/40794229/Halloran_version_3.pdf ku: to base, found, build; to lie down (reduplication class) [KU archaic frequency: 64; concatenates 3 sign variants] Rom.:”a pune baza,construi, intindeRiches Hidden in Secret Places: Ancient Near Eastern Studies …books.google.ro › books… word /ku(g)/ is usually translated as “shiningbright, clean, pure,” or “holysacred,”  Semnul GAR https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html GAR

GAR citeste NINDA ratie,paiine Acum incep sa se lege niste lucruri.. semnele de sus le-am intrpretat anterior: GA2 + GAR= “COS PAIINE” sau Ku GAR=Ninda Ku =ei mananca paiine Sumerians and Akkadians in their ethno … – E-Periodicawww.e-periodica.ch › cntmng PDFnorthern logograms, as in sag.rig?, sag.gis.ra, quoted above, and in ninda ku. “they eat bread The Organization of the Anatolian Local Cults During the …books.google.ro › booksKAŠ ” beer bread ( ? ) ” NINDA.KAŠ KBO II 8 II 14 , IV 9 ‘ , 19 ‘ , 25 ‘ ; KUB LIV 90 r.c. 5 NINDA.KU , ” sweet bread ” Rom:”paiine dulce” ?turta dulce? https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://books.openedition.org/editionsmsh/7778%3Flang%3Den&prev=search&pto=aue firs is constantly offered “sweetened loaves” (NINDA KU 7 ….sau alternativ GA2 GAR=GA2 NINDA :”depozitare cereale”; “intinde paiine Ku(g) GAR=Ku NINDA:”(ofranda)sacra paine” Apoi din semnele DDoo, unde: – primul D pare a fi semnul GAR (ninda,portie de cereale-paiine pentru un om pentru o zi, 0,8 Litri) ; (GAR=N30.a=1/30 N1).Posibil chiar a intentionat sa faca semnul exact, dar nu i-a reusit, in special ca a uitat sa ridice stilul de pe suprafata moale tablitei si a lasat o zgarietura ? – al doilea reproduce semnul N1: “1” care reprezinta portia de mancare pentru o luna 30 x 0,8 =24 Litri. ! In mod normal sumerienii il faceau numai prin imprimare/imprintare/amprentare, https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html 1(N01@r)

– iar “oo” este semnul NIGIN:”Total” https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html 2(LAGAB~a)= NIGIN

Din V12.COMPARATIVE ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY OF MESOPOTAMIAN …books.google.ro › booksNierime (Nierim): Sumerian. Adjective. Wrong … TotalNiginSumerian. Noun. Totality. NiginSumerian. Adverb. All together. Nigin: … The whole amount. Nigin: …Romana: (Nierim): sumeriană. Adjectiv. Greșit … Total. Nigin: sumerian. Substantiv. Totalitate. Nigin: sumerian. Adverb. Toti impreuna. Nigin: … întreaga sumă. Nigin: … Poate intrebati, ce fel de hrana? Pai: https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html ASZ2

Origin of the Sumerian Name and Sign for ‘Wheat’ – John a. Halloran …fr.scribd.com › document › Origin-of-the-Sumerian-Nam…Origin of the Sumerian Name and Sign for ‘Wheat – John a. … The sign ASZ 2 , ’emmer‘, “GRAU EMER” Acum se contureaza doua ipoteze privind ce s-a avut in intentie cu semnele: 1. Cineva a vrut sa arate altcuiva semnele de baza pentru a tine evidenta hranei : Semnul As semnificand “grau” +GAR:”portie, ratie” de hrana pentru o zi=ninda=cereale,paiine=0,8 Litri + semnul numeric N1:echivalentul numeric al hranei pentru o luna=24 Litri + semnul pentru “total” 2. Este vorba de o ofranda constand in cereale, (sub forma nepreparata sau preparata pentru comunitate, paiine ?) adusa zeitatilor, unde cantitatea este nesemnificativa: semnul “grau”+ semnul “portie”+ “numarul N1″=echivalentul hranei pentru o luna+semnul intreg,total”. Spre aceasta varianta ne indreapta interpretarea semnelor din stanga “HD”. https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html 1(N30~a) acesta este semnul N30.a=1/30 N1

Exemplu real de socoteala sumeriana din faza pre-cuneiforma=folosind semne proto-cuneiforme, faza care o precede pe cea a scrierii propriu-zise cuneiforme: Din http://mathscitech.org/articles/mathematics-uruk-susa

Oricum, semnele i-mi arata in mod evident, ca provin mai degraba dintr-o zona Siria, sud-estul Anatoliei, aria Egeeana, unde pe parcurs, au suferit o usoara modificare, adaptare.

50+ ciudatenii ale tablitelor de la Tartaria si tot atatea semne de intrebare.

January 14, 2021

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Atentie! Aceasta postare nu este o o descifrare sau citire a unui presupus continut scris real al tablitelor de la Tartaria. Avand in vedere ca semnele nu apartin unui unic sistem de scris ci mai multora, pagina are un caracter pur didactic. Are rolul de a incerca si testa diferite scrieri. Semnele de pe tablite apartin mai multor sisteme de scrisi dintr-larg interval de timp si care au folosite in diferite arii geografice. In niciuna din incercari semnele s-au incadrat intr-un singur tip de scriere, totdeauna au ramas semne care au provenit din alte scrieri (sau din necunoscut). Cele mai multe semne provin din cele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.Apoi privind asemanarea, in ordine descrescatoare este aceea cu semnele Linear A/B si cele Anatoliene. Semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde par a proveni din scrierea arhaica greceasca.Cel mai degraba aceasta “adunatura” de semne pare a fi rodul imaginatiei bogate a cuiva.Dupa cum au constatat A.Falkenstein si A.A.Vaiman, autorul nu a fost un scrib, avea doar vagi notiuni privind scrisul in general si nu se stie ce a urmarit. Exista multe elemente de neconcordanta precum si altele care scot tablitele din tiparele si normele uzuale ale  logicii, scrisului si intentiilor oneste. =========

De fapt sunt o serie de dovezi,evidente plus o serie de abateri,ciudatenii si aspecte unele neexplicabile si altele greu de explicat. Incep prin a le enumera, nestiind acum daca sunt fix 101, mai multe sau mai putine.Pentru usurinta intelegerii le voi grupa pe capitole:

VECHIMEA

1.Vechimea estimata dupa unii este aceea ca provin din 5.300 IEN, dupa altii 2.400-2.700 IEN si tot felul de alte date.De fapt nu poate fi in acelasi timp si o data si cealalta. 5.300 IEN iese complet din calcul, dupa cum se va vedea mai jos.

2. Vechimea 5.300 IEN a fost “dedusa” si nu determinata, presupunand ca tablitele au aceeasi varsta cu oasele gasite in apropiere si a caror varsta a fost determinata (cica 5.300 IEN). Sa dai (transferi) varsta unui artefact altuia pe considerentul ca probabil a fost pe undeva pe aproape mi se pare bizar si profund nestiintific.

3. Retineti ca primele forme de scris au aparut la distanta mica una de alta in Sumer si Egipt, in jurul datei de 3.500 IEN. Aceste forme de scris preced scrisul propriu-zis si se numesc proto-scrieri. Au urmat apoi scrierile proto-elamita si scriptura din Valea Indusului.

4. Intrucat tablitele au fost supuse unui tratament termic in cuptor, la o temperatura necunoscuta, (intentii bune, rezultat bun pe de o parte ca s-au intarit, dezastruos pe de alta parte). Pentru ca urmele de carbon din lut sau degradat si nu mai poate fi posibila vreodata determinarea varstei, cel putin nu prin metoda C-14.

CIRCUMSTANTELE GASIRII

5. Nu se stie cine a fost cel care a pus mana, le-a atins primul.

6.Nu exista nici-un martor al momentului exact al gasirii.

7.Nu se stie pozitia exacta a oaselor si a tablitelor in cadrul complexului ritualic.

8.Nu exista o fotografie in care sa apara atat oasele cat si tablitele, nici vre-o schita.

SEFUL SANTIERULUI ARHEOLOGIC

9. Acesta a fost arheologul Nicolae Vlassa, dansul nefiind pe santier nici in momentul descoperirii nici dupa descoperire in cursul acelei zile.

10. Nu s-a aflat de descoperire decat dupa cateva zile.

11. Nicolae Vlassa dupa ce s-a aflat de descoperire a fost de negasit de catre ziaristi. Apoi nu stim din ce motiv a fost reticent in relatari.acest ultim aspect poate fi de inteles cunoscand agresivitatea multor ziaristi cand vor sa tranga repede si cu orice pret materiale=informatii pentru articole.

12. Nicolae Vlassa a fost unul din primii care a afirmat ca semnele par a fi sumeriene, atentie, precizand exact perioada Jemdet Nasr.

13. Nu am cunostinta si pare-se nimeni ca Nicolae Vlassa sa fi studiat si sa aiba cunostinte avansate de asirologie, sumerologie si mai ales proto-scriere, neexistand posibilitatea sa asimileze in foarte scurt timp, (de ordinul zilelor) un asemenea volum de cunostinte cu dificultate mare. In plus trebuia sa aiba acces (rapid?) la biblioteca de semne sumeriene proto-cuneiforme, care noi presupunem/admitem ca a rezolvat-o. Afirmatia dansului asemenea unui specialist de top cu expertiza in domeniu, fara a exista la baza un asemenea suport fiind direct hilara.

STRATUL, CULTURA CAREIA II APARTIN TABLITELE.

14.Nu se stie cu exactitate din cele cca 28 de artefacte in total, care din ce strat provine.Cu atat mai mult cu cat telul are o portiune inclinata si care a fost in mod constant supusa revarsarii si eroziunii apei Muresului.

15.Telul contine in total vre-o 5 culturi, fiecare situata in alt strat, respectiv alta adancime. Exista o serie lunga de discutii pe aceasta tema intre diferiti arheologi.

16. Arheologii au observat ca artefactele au un caracter eterogen, fapt ce denota ca unele apartin unei culturi si altele alteia.

SEMNELE TABLITELOR VISA SEMNELE SCRIPTURII VINCA-TURDAS

17. Unii cercetatori, foarte putini agreeaza sustinerea domnului Marco Merlini, conform careia tablitele de la Tartaria apartin culturii vinca Turdas si reprezinta un exemplu de proto-scriere a acestei culturi.

18. Spun aici in mod hotarat, ca desi cultura Vinca Turdas are o bogata contributie la aparitia si evolutia scrisului, aceasta s-a oprit o idee inainte de a ajunge chiar si numai la faza proto-scrierii.

19. Nu exista nici-un singur artefact care sa sustina, si mai putin sa demonstreze ca este purtetor al unei proto-scrieri.aceasta ar presupune transmiterea unui mesaj intr-o forma bruta, rudimentara, generala.

20. Se poate vorbi doar de Scriptura Vinca-Turdas, adica de o colectie de semne. asa cum este de ex. Indus Script. ambele nedemonstrate inca ca sunt proto-scriere ori scriere.

21. Semnele au folosit la ceva, insa la ora actuala ne scapa modul lor de agregare si ce anume cum si ce informatie transmiteau. probabil semne legate de diferite produse, cantitati si producatori/destinatari ?

DE CE NU SA AJUNS NICI MACAR LA O FORMA INCIPIENTA DE SCRIERE VINCA-TURDAS

22. Explicatia de baza si majoritara a cercetatorilor la care subscriu, este aceea ca societatea vincana nu a fost suficient de complexa, stratificata si dezvoltata in plan social economic si religios. Adaug eu pentru o mai buna intelegere, a fost o societate de tip Edenic.

23. O alta explicatie, a mea este ca nua fost suficient timp, desi paradoxal si din pacate nu a mai lipsit mult.

24. O alta explicatie, tot a mea este aceea ca ei au pornit cu elemente preponderent liniare (un gen de cuneiforme daca vreti, digitalizare inainte de a-i veni vremea). In schimb sumerienii au pornit de la pictograme care exemplificau notiunile de baza, si pe acestea mai apoi le-au abstractizat in cuneiforme si firesc si implicit au inceput sa le ataseze semnificatii fonetie. Au aplicat principiul cunoscut sub numele de rebus.Sa zicem ca ideogramei de capra care incepe cu C i-au atasat sunetul C.

TABLITELE PRIVITE CA UN GRUP, COLECTIE UNITARA DE ARTEFACTE INSCRIPTIONATE

25. Prin tipul de scriere cele 3 tablite se distanteaza unele de altele, prezentand tipuri diferite de scris. Voi explicita pe larg acest aspect, un pic mai incolo.

26. Aceasta ciudatenie nu are echivalent in istoria arheologiei si a scrisului. Deci nu se cunoaste in lume un caz similar. In schimb se poate gasi in epoca moderna in muzee,scoli si au scop didactic.

MATERIALUL DIDACTIC IDEAL=PERFECT

27. Un ochi neavizat, neformat, este bulversta de gramada de semne noi pentru el, care nu au nici-o noima. intr-o buna masura, chiar savanti de prestigiu au fost parca fermecati, nereusind sa realizeze urmatoarele: – La o privire mai atenta acuiva care cunoaste multe sisteme de scriere si sute de semne, apare evident faptul ca fiecare tablita contine cumva semne de acelasi tip-categorie: – Tablita cu caprita contine pictograme pure – tablita dreptunghiulara gaurita contine semne folosite in diferite scrieri ca ideograme,logograme. – tablita rotunda contine preponderent semne care au fost folosite in diferitebscrieri ca silabe ori litere

28. Astfel, daca un student sau profesor din ziua de azi ar vrea sa arate elevilor sai sau unui public evolutia scrisului, nu exista o cale mai buna decat sa exemplifice in acest mod.

29. Apare intrebarea: cine si cand putea avea acces atat la semne vechi cat si la unele noi ? raspunsul logic este cineva care a trait in perioada in care au aparut acelea noi, deci cu cat mai aproape de timpurile noastre cu atat avea acces mai facil la toate semnele.

30. Cine a fost, din ce perioada exacta, si cu ce scop concret si exact a facut asta? Nu putem sti.

EVIDENTE=CIUDATENII REZULTATE DIN ANALIZA SEMNELOR

31. Semnele de pe cele trei tablite luate in totalitate se prezinta mai degraba ca o colectie, adunare-adunatura, gramada de semne.

32. Aceste semne au fost folosite in diferite arii si diferite perioade de timp.

33. Per global, la o privire rapida si in aparenta, dar si la o analiza atenta, cea mai mare apropiere este de cea a semnelor sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.

34.Urmeaza apoi in privinta asemanarii scrierile Egeene si Anatoliene.

35. O serie de semne=ideograme sumeriene, in special unele foarte importante din punct de vedere cultural sau religios se regasesc in forma asemanatoare in primele scrieri Egeene.

36. Doi cercetatori de top greci I.Papakitsos si G.Kenanidis afirma si sustin prin mai multe lucrari, ca la baza tuturor scrierilor Egeene ar fi stat o scriere proto-Lineara. Aceasta a aparut mai mult decat ca o influenta a scrieriisumeriene proto-cuneiforme ci direct este transpunerea si adaptarea acesteia in aria Egeeana. Pur si simplu, o parte a colonizatorilor Cretei, unii din primii minoici au fost migranti sumerieni timpurii !

37. In cercetarile mele am gasit acelasi aspect si in diferite pagini am venit in sustinerea acestei ipoteze venind in completarea exemplelor dansilor cu mai multe exemple proprii si poate inca si mai consistente.

38. Semnele reflecta in mare forma semnelor proto-cuneiforme sumeriene, dar nu sunt exact ca cele sumeriene ale acelei perioade specifice.aceasta se datoreaza filogeniei tuturor sau multor sisteme de scris care au originea, trunchiul in scrierea sumeriana proto-cuneiforma.

39. Daca exista semne care se pot regasi in forma apropiata si nicidecum exact asa in scrierea proto-cuneiforma sumeriana (ex.”H”), exista in schimb unele care nu exista deloc cu aceasta forma (vezi semnele “D”).

SCRIBUL ERA SCRIB DE MESERIE?

40. mai multi oameni de stiinta (A.Falkenstein A.A.Vaiman si altii…inclusiv eu care nu sant om de stiinta) opineaza ca autorul avea vagi cunostinte de scris si de fapt chiar daca in extremis ar fi fost sumerian, nu stapanea scrisul.

TEHNICA SCRISULUI SE ABATE DE LA CEA SUMERIANA

41. Fapt constatat de oamenii de stiinta sus-mentionati, prin faptul ca daca a vrut sa scrie un numar, a incercat sa-l imite, dar a pus unitatile in stanga si zecile in dreapta. Si inca multe alte aspecte precum impartirea spatiului in coloane s.a.m.d.

SEMNE APARENT FOARTE MODERNE

42. Semnele din jumatatea de sus a tablitei rotunde, “HD DDoo”se regasesc in totalitate in literele alfabetului arhaic grec si pot reprezenta “H/E D DDoo” sau :”H/E R RRoo”; deasemenea literele alfabetului venetic “HR RRoo”. Atentie, dar nu numai din aceste alfabete, as putea aminti cele Anatoliene(ex. alfabetele cariene) si cel Iberic-Turdetan.

SEMNE CARE NU POT FACE CASA COMUNA SAU SA APARA IMPREUNA

43. Ideogramele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme nu pot face casa comuna cu semne aparute mult mai tarziu: – semnul H exista sub aceasta forma prezenta in tablite intr-o serie de scrieri ulterioare: Linear A si B (PA3), veche canaanita, feniciana, veche ebraica (Het),alfabetele etruscan, vechi latin, venetic (H), turdetan (Bu)…inclusiv pana la runele maghiare. – semnele “D” a reprezentat litera D sau R intr-o serie de alfabete: canaanit “dalet” , alfabetele arhaice grecesti “D/R”

IN CE PERIOADE AU FOLOSIT OAMENII ACESTE SEMNE, CAND SI IN CE MASURA AU FOST ACCESIBILE PRIVITORULUI UMAN ?

44. Semnele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme au fost folosite in perioada 3.500-2.800 IEN. Dupa aceea nu au mai fost vizibile nimanui, stand ingropate sub 3m de moloz rezultat din constructia succesiva atemplelor din Uruk, pana in 1925 cand au fost descoperite de arheologul englez Leonard Wooley.

45. Semnele scrierilor Cretana Hieroglifica (2.200-2000 IEN) si Linear A (2000-1500 IEN) au putut fi vazute doar de minoici in perioadele sus mentionate, ramanand ascunse pana in 1894… cand le-a descoperit arheologul britanic Arthur Evans.

46. Deci in mare si buna masura, majoritatea semnelor nu au putut fi vazute decat ori in perioada 3.500-1.500 IEN. ori dupa 1894…. Dar!..

47. Datorita semnelor moderne prezente pe tablite, intervalul este impins cumva dupa 500-300 IEN (perioada folosirii alfabetelor arhaice grecesti, sau difuzia lor in aria Mediteraneeana). Vorbesc de semnele prezente in jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde.

REZULTATELE PANA LA ACEASTA ORA PRIVIND INTERPRETAREA SEMNELOR DE PE TABLITE

48. Aici si la acest punct ne intalnim cu o tragedie sau dezastru. Unde se dovedeste mai degraba ca toata evolutia stiintei nu a folosit mai la nimic.

49. Abordarea ca tablitele fiind de factura total-complet sumeriana, iese din ecuatie (A.Falkenstein, A.A.Vaiman).Mie nu mi se pare foarte inteligenta nici abordarea ca fiind quasi-sumeriene daca se opreste fara a ajunge la o explicare finala. Ca dovada ca o serie de cercetatori, desi au realizat ca tablitele nu sunt original sumeriene, in lipsa de altceva le-au interpretat ca fiind sumeriene. Fara ca sa faca mai departe analize sau speculatii, nici sa le relationeze cu scrierile Egeene. Le-au abordat cumva in mod superficial, nealocandu-le suficient timp si au expediat rapid subiectul. Ca ar fi, dar de fapt nu ar fie tocmai sumeriene, ca scribul nu prea stia sa scrie si punct, terminat subiectul.

50. O surpriza placuta a fost lucrarea asirologului bulgar Rumen Kolev, care chiar daca a calcat hotarat pe urmele citatilor precedenti (asimilat, luat 80%?), totusi probabil fara ca sa realizeze a reusit sa interpreteze semnele de asemenea maniera incat include si ideogramele, semnele specifice scrierilor Egeene.Oricum, m-a ajutat sa realizez ca exista un gen de transmisie, continuitate ori unitate culturala a ariei Egeene cu cea Orientala (sumeriana).

51. Ce sa mai zic, ca ma jenez, un cercetator care a scris zeci de articole cu doctorat in materie (Civilizatiile Vechii Europe= Danubiana, Vinca-Turdas, Scriptura Vinca-Turdas, tablitele de la Tartaria), domnul Marco Merlini, a analizat, a luat in manuta, rasucit si intors pe toate fetele fiecare semn, gasindu-i paralele fiecaruia in cate 15 scrieri, ca in final sa nu poata agrega si concretiza nimic. Sa ajunga la concluzia ca e absolut sigur ca scrie ceva, este un mesaj acolo dar este atat de abscons, ezoteric incat numai cei care au facut semnele, numai cei din acele timpuri le stiau semnificatia. Mare si mare pacat. Posibil cel care a facut aceste artefacte desi nu si-a dorit sa-si bata joc de posteritate, de cititorii de dupa el din viitor, fara ca sa vrea a reusit.

— pauza de masa…sunt curios daca ajung la 101, dar este o vorba studenteasca, la o adica “mi se rupe” ca o fi 78 sau 103 —–

SIGNS “HD” ON TARTARIA TABLET

December 27, 2020

Careful! This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. Its role is to try and test different writings. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-wedge-shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. , he had only vague notions about writing in general and it is not known what were his intentions or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. ========== From Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

Said “H” because the closest to nowday’s letter are archaic greek Heta/Eta and greek and latin H.In fact in sumerian proto-cuneiform we have the signs:

http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianSignValueRegister.htm ga2, 458

http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/ProtoLanguage-Monosyllables.htm

TARTARIA TABLETS.VINCA-TURDAS CULTURE.PROTO-WRITING: Sumerian influence on  Aegean writing

<< K?AThe Sumerian sign (Jaritz #458) depicts a ‘tubular basket‘; a variant, #458a, tapers toward the top; both have top-covers; both presumably and read ga2 (among others). Another recorded reading for it is pisan, which means ‘basket’ but perhaps also ‘*shallow tray‘.An archaic variant form for Sumerian sign above (Jaritz #458),  Jaritz #458a, looks very much as if it could be the ‘head’ without the hair and neck we see in Jaritz #15 under K?XA; and therefore might be a sign for ‘jaw’; but it also may be just another shape of ‘basket’.>>

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html sign “GA2

and sign “GUR” :

For the right sign, the closest is https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.htmlGAR

Note. there are also another sign as “BUR”

but that one above “GAR” is the closest (has not so fewer additional strokes inside) https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html sign “BUR”

SO WHAT COULD BE THEIR MEANING ?

— sign GA2/ *gá meaning —–

www.academia.edu › Vessels_and_o… (PDF) Vessels and other containers for the storage of food according … 1 – A selection of container signs in the proto- cuneiform record. … scribed within the box- shaped container is purely graphical. sign GA2 .

is.muni.cz › PAPVB_13 › Ha…PDF Sumerian Lexicon – IS MUNI 11 aug. 1999 — ñá: basket; house; stable (cf., ñar) [GA2 archaic frequency

is.muni.cz › PAPVB_13 › Gl…PDF a gal[help]; a gal[strong]; a gar[defeat] – IS MUNI 1. cella 2. bedroom 3. a ritual building 4. the sanctuary … Akk. damšillu “(a kind of cucumber )?; plant name” … GA2: ga2. 1. house 2. station (of the moon)? 3. room 4. house-lot. 5. estate.

www.academia.edu › Interpreting_J… (DOC) Interpreting John.A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon – version – 3. … *gá: basket; house; stable (cf., gar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign …

—- sign GAR/ninda meaning —-

Shulgi Sumerian – Beer types and ingredients in the Old …www.facebook.com › shulgisumerian › posts › beer-ty… Emmer is also well attested in protocuneiform documents, though not as an … This sign combination consists of the sign GAR, originally representing a barley ration ….It has been mentioned already that the sign GAR is commonly interpreted as a term “ninda” designating “bread.

Between Feasts and Daily Meals. Towards an … – Refubiumrefubium.fu-berlin.de › fub188 › Seiten111_141 PDFprotocuneiform sign that represents a bevelled-rim bowl: Beveled-rim bowls used for the disbursement of rations represented by the sign GAR which could be used to designate a ration of a certain size or, in a semantically defined sign combination, an institution.

https://www.naturepagan.com/early-cuneiform-signs-f-k GAR, JAR: n., storeroom; form, appearance (to be + to send) [GAR archaic frequency: 409]. v., to store, accumulate; to deliver, deposit; to put, place, set down upon; to make, establish

INDUS SCRIPT From http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.com/2010/11/uncommon-indus-signs-from-tri-fork-to.html

In proto-cuneiform, a “D” shape with a single internal stripe is GAR, which came to mean “storeroom; to form.” …. There is another “D” whose meaning one should consider, this one found among the Luwian hieroglyphs.  In this case, the rounded side faces downward, with the flat side up.  Its meaning is CAELUM, “sky.”  This “D” shape contains a single stripe paralleling the flat side and four short strokes perpendicular to the stripe.  These last four join the stripe and the flat side of the “D.”  Variants of the proto-cuneiform GAR also include short strokes at a 90 degree angle to the long internal stripe.  The “b” variant has two and the “a” variant three.Proto-Elamite contains a single sign that is essentially “D” shaped, again with the rounded side downward, flat side upward (M378).  There are, in addition, two stripes inside the “D” that parallel the flat side, each stripe also extending a bit beyond the edges of the “D” shape.  Also, inside the basic “D” shape is another, smaller “D” shape that shares the same flat side.  The meaning of this sign is unknown.Linear B includes a single sign resembling a backward “D.”  It has no internal stripes and must represent the crescent moon, as its meaning is “month.”  One might assume that this simpler sign could not share the same meaning as the Indus sign, because the ancient Greek symbol has no internal striping.  And what could internal stripes represent, in a depiction of the moon?  However, internal striping may not be meaningful in itself in the Indus symbol.  Many signs in this system contain internal striping, as do occasional pictorial elements.

========= both signs GA2 and GAR ===

basket; house; stable;. 1.house 2. station (of the moon)? 3. room 4. house-lot. 5. estate. + Ninda=bread, storeroom; form, appearance; to store, accumulate; to deliver, deposit; to put, place, set down upon; to make, establish

It seems that kind form of property, storage,HOUSEHOLD + FOOD deliver,exhibit,operating

128.97.154.156 › search › archival… Rezultate de pe web CDLI-Archival View – CDLI – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative 4. abgal |GA2xGAR|

https://www.ancient.eu/article/221/the-mesopotamian-pantheon/ ABGAL – The seven sages in Sumerian mythology sent to the earth by Enki at the beginning of time to give human beings the sacred `me‘ (laws) of civilization. They were also known, by the Akkadians and Babylonians, as The Apkallu or the Apkallu Fish and are depicted with the body of a fish and the head of a man or with the torso of a fish and human arms, legs and head, sometimes with and sometimes without wings.  In the Babylonian tradition, the Apkallu also appear as Griffins or simply as humans with wings. The Abgal carry a bucket and a cone of incense for purification purposes. By name, they were Adapa (the first man) Uan-dugga, En-me-duga, En-me-galanna, En-me-buluga, An-enlilda and Utu-abzu.

ro.scribd.com › doc › rechnik-sume… Rezultate de pe web rechnik sumerskog | Nature – Scribd 18 feb. 2011 — F. Karahashi, Sumerian Compound Verbs 75. a tal[engulf?]; a … GA2. GAR: ĝa2ĝar; ga2gar. ĝeš [PENIS] GA2: ĝa2; ga2.

is.muni.cz › PAPVB_13 › Gl…PDF Rezultate de pe web a gal[help]; a gal[strong]; a gar[defeat] – IS MUNI bisagnindagar [BASKET]. GA2.GAR.GAR: bisagninda-gar; pisag-ninda-gar. 1. bread basket

www.academia.edu › قاموس_المفيد… (DOC) قاموس المفيد لطالب السومرية | Farouk Nasir Al-Rawi – Academia … AB) KID) underground basket weaver water { freq. … pisaĝninda-ĝar 6} [N] (GA2-GAR– ‫نوع من‬ GAR) ‫منشدي أو مؤبدي‬ bread basket

CONCLUSION: FOOD, GRAIN CROP-BREAD – (offering ?) related RITUAL … notice the sacramental bread=bun/wafer/loaf of bread shaped clay tablet

(PDF) Akkadian Loanwords in Sumerian Revised | Vladimir …www.academia.edu › Akkadian_Loanwords_in_Sumerian…This count yields 3, 7% of Akkadian loanwords for Sumerian words beginning … AHw: 888) (Adj) CaCCiuC 143. gagartum = kakkartum ‘a type of bread‘ (MAD 3: ..

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SACRUL in TABLITELE DE LA TARTARIA

December 19, 2020

Atentie! Aceasta postare nu este o o descifrare sau citire a unui presupus continut scris real. Avand in vedere ca semnele nu apartin unui unic sistem de scris ci mai multora, pagina are un caracter pur didactic. Are rolul de a incerca si testa diferite scrieri. Semnele de pe tablite apartin mai multor sisteme de scrisi dintr-larg interval de timp si care au folosite in diferite arii geografice. In niciuna din incercari semnele s-au incadrat intr-un singur tip de scriere, totdeauna au ramas semne care au provenit din alte scrieri (sau din necunoscut). Cele mai multe semne provin din cele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.Apoi privind asemanarea, in ordine descrescatoare este aceea cu semnele Linear A/B si cele Anatoliene. Semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde par a proveni din scrierea arhaica greceasca.Cel mai degraba aceasta “adunatura” de semne pare a fi rodul imaginatiei bogate a cuiva.Dupa cum au constatat A.Falkenstein si A.A.Vaiman, autorul nu a fost un scrib, avea doar vagi notiuni privind scrisul in general si nu se stie ce a urmarit. Exista multe elemente de neconcordanta precum si altele care scot tablitele din tiparele si normele uzuale ale  logicii, scrisului si intentiilor oneste. ======== Majoritatea cercetatorilor, mai mult decat presupun, sant de acord ca tablita rotunda contine in jumatatea sperioara un continut, respectiv mesaj cu caracter sacru. https://tb.ziareromania.ro/Tablitele-de-la-Tartaria—cea-mai-veche-scriere-a-lumii-descoperita-in-Romania-/11d8fc1499881e962/400/225/2/70/Tablitele-de-la-Tartaria—cea-mai-veche-scriere-a-lumii-descoperita-in-Romania-.jpg

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Aceasta pentru ca doua din tablite sant gaurite, gauri prin care trecea un snur si destinate a fi purtate in jurul gatului. Astfel tablita dreptunghiulara ACOPEREA COMPLET jumatatea superioara a celei rotunde, fiind ascunsa de privirile trecatorilor. Eu, cu educatia timpurilor moderne si multe limitari in gandire, ma asteptam cumva ca acea portiune sa contina un mesaj legat direct sau indirect de vreo zeitate. Foarte multi cercetatori au vazut in secventa DDoo doar un numar (1,1,10,10=”22″), (adevarat nu scris dupa tipicul sumerian unde zecile sant in stanga si unitatile in dreapta). In acest sens exista intrpretarile precedente a 3-4 oameni de stiinta (si a mea).De la inaltimea stiintei lor, au facut una dupa alta doua greseli impardonabile.Sau sa fim mai blanzi, au fost “vrajiti” de asemanarea semnelor cu cele pentru numere. 1. Au confundat (si asimilat) amprenta=semnul imprimat pentru numarul 1/”dis” cu reprezentarea/forma sa bidimensionala trasata, D. Semne gen D, litera (d mare de tipar) trasata (si nu imprimata) pentru numere, in aceasta forma nu au fost folosite deloc de sumerieni. 2. Au asimilat semnele O trasate ca cercuri ca fiind fiecare numarul 10, cand sumerienii faceau semnul prin imprimare, deci era disc plin. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karenleigh_A_Overmann/publication/301221553/figure/fig9/AS:639266971471876@1529424531807/Proto-cuneiform-tablet-W-9578-g-from-Uruk-IV-3350-3200-BC-with-numerical-impressions.png

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In stanga avem cate doua numere 14(10,1,1,1,1) iar in dreapta 28(10,10 si de 8 ori 1)

Semnele “O O” trasate sunt de fapt semnele (tot trasate) LAGAB + LAGAB= NIGIN https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html “LAGAB” :

In schimb au folosit 2 semne trasate, care chiar seamana cu litera D.Probabil datorita dimensiunilor mici sau urmare a unui progres, nu au mai trasat liniutele din interior. CELE DOUA SEMNE “D” SUMERIENE PROTO CUNEIFORME TRASATE SANT: Semnul GAR care se citeste Ninda:”ratie de cereale/paiine” https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

Repet desi nu a existat in realitate la sumerieni un asemenea semn D trasat “gol”.In lucrarile precedente am facut referire si la alt semn asemanator BUR.

———- Semnul GAR citeste NINDA ———-

Sumerische Glossare und Indizes (SGI) Belegsammlung ˆgar [PLACE(loc)] wr. ˆgar; ˆgá; ˆgá-ar; ˆg ́aˆgar; ˆgarar; mar; ˆg ́aˆgarar “to put, place, lay down;to give in place of something, replace”;(a pune, așeza; a da în locul a ceva, înlocui “)

ePSD Didtionary GAR: former,retired (fost, trecut,retras) ; to heap up (a aduna) ;http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e4362.html ninda [BREAD] (11296x: ED IIIa, ED IIIb, Ebla, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Ur III, Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian, unknown) wr. ninda; inda “bread; food” Akk. akalu / pâine; alimente

www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria 5 mai 205 mai 2000 — NINDA2 | ĝar (gar) [2505x] = place, to put, lay down; to give in place of something, replace; to posit (math.) | niĝ2 (nig2 ) loc, a pune, întinde; a da în locul a ceva, înlocui; a poziționa (matematică)

——– Doua semne GAR alaturate, adica GAR-GAR ———-

Un cercetator, Patrick C. Ryan in lucrarea sa Sumerian Archaic Sign Table presupune ca doua semne D alaturate

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au echivalentul fonetic sumerian “MIN,MAN”.Apoi echivalentul fonetic Sumerian al acestui semn ar fi 940, man?; min (cu semnul intrebarii adica dansul presupune, propune…)min Acest cercetator nu este epigrafist sau sumerolog, este lingvist. El merge pe firul timpului inapoi in timp inspre o presupusa proto-limba.Nu stiu cum a gasit aceasta secventa de semne presupus de el sumeriene DD daca le-a vazut undeva(nu cred) sau le presupune asa in imaginatia sa bogata si prolifica. Suficient este ca fiind singurul loc unde am gasit-o si bazanduma ca oricum este om de stiinta ar trebui sa o iau in consideratie.Pare ca dansul considera cumva ca MIN care inseamna 2 este compus din doua semne D care fiecare reprezinta 1 ?? In orice caz sumerienii foloseau reduplicarea nu numai pentru a exprima pluralul ci si pentru a obtine expresii noi. Exemplu: Semnul GAR inseamna la sumerieni ” a pune,intinde” insa semnul reduplicat GAR-GAR inseamna actiunea precedenta repetata de mai multe ori, rezultand “acumulare,a aduna

———— sa luam intai acest Gar-Gar de mai departe ——–

105.235.201.125 › Linguistic Afrasian Phonology Cover Though Afrasian plays a critical role in the reconstruction of Proto-Nostratic … A. Semitic: [Proto-Semitic (reduplicated) *gar-gar- ‘to rumble, to roar, to growl, (Rom.: a bubui, a vui, a mârâi )

www.academia.edu › Bomhard_A_… (PDF) Bomhard – A Comprehensive Introduction to Nostratic … ‘rolling, round, bent, twisted, turned’ A. Proto- Afrasian *g¦ar- ‘to roll, to revolve’: Proto-Semitic (reduplicated) *gar-gar‘to roll, to revolve‘ ..(Rom.:a se rostogoli, a se învârti)

Vainahi, as a population of the Terek Valley and mountainous areas, they appear in Strabo’s “Geography” (1st millennium BC) under the name “gargarei” (from the Hurrian “gargar” – “relative”). At that time, the Hurrian population of Karabakh was called by the same term. (Rom.: in huriana, “ruda“)

Sum. gar ‘to heap up’, gargar ‘accumulation‘, PIE *gar- ‘to collect, heap’, Greek ageiro (from *a-ger-yo) ‘to gather, collect’, agorà ‘assembly, place of assembly, market-place’, gargara ‘heaps, lots, plenty Rom.: in sumeriana, gargar:”acumulare” iar in greaca veche, gargara:”gramezi, multe

sefarad.revistas.csic.es › articlePDF A note on the Sumerian expression SI-ge4-de3/dam – Sefarad were established using the reduplication verb gar (i.e. ga2-ga2– … put‘ or ‘to place‘ {sakãnum) ^^ but also ‘to heap up’, ‘to store’ Rom: folosind verbul de reduplicare gar (adică ga2-ga2- … “a pune„ sau „ a plasa ”{sakãnum) ^^ dar și „ a aduna ”, ” a stoca

ga’iššupsd.museum.upenn.edu › epsd › akkadian-toc-G gar [HEAP] wr. gar “to heap up” (a aduna)

Sumerische Glossare und Indizes (SGI) Belegsammlung gar-gar
gargar [ACCUMULATION] wr. gar-gar “accumulation” (acumulare)
gar HEAP (morman, gramada)(4 instances: Early Old Babylonian [1]; Old Babylonian [2]; Hellenistic [1].) Base
forms: gar; gar-gar. 1. to heap up (a aduna)

sikipsd.museum.upenn.edu › epsd › english-toc-Hgu gar [PILE UP] wr. gu2 gar; gu2 gar-gar “to pile up” Rom.:”a aduna” Akk. gurrunu guru [HEAP] wr. guru7; gur11 “to heap up” Akk. kamāru; karû guru [STORE] wr. guru7 “grain …

springer.com › content › pdf << (AHw “schichten, haufen”/”straturi,gramezi“),to which correspond the Sumerian term gar.gar ..>>

www.jstor.org › <<stable artificial language in ancient mesopotamia — a dubious … – JStor gar.gar is a common logogram in mathematical texts for kamarum,. “to accumulate“>>

Rezultate de pe web Rabies and Rabid Dogs in Sumerian and Akkadian Literature – JStor Grammatical Texts,43 the paradigms of gar-gar = nup- puhu, “to be angry, blow up” a fi furios, a arunca în aer

Doua semne GAR adica GAR GAR=semnul URI: oi.uchicago.edu › pdf › sume…PDF Rezultate de pe web the sumerians – Oriental Institute – University of Chicago glossary of Sumerian words from the bilinguals known in his day … southern boundary; that the district Uri, usually equated with. Akkad / limita sudică; districtul Uri, echivalat de obicei cu. Akad

————– Semnul BUR. ————– Am constatat cu surprindere ca si BUR este legat de mancare.

ePSD Dictionary rechnik.sumerskog bur [BOWL];(food) offering, sacrifice 2. meal(-time) 3. (stone)
bowl 4. a priest rom:[BOL ; (hrană) ofrandă, sacrificiu 2. masă (timp) 3. (piatră) castron 4. un preot]; BUR2: a container?(container); BUR: [GLOW(stralucire)] bur2..light (lumina) 2. to glow, shine; “to blow; light up; rise” (a străluci; “a sufla; a lumina; creştere”) ;bur [GRASS(iarba)] bur [LOCUS] a cultic location (loc cultic);bur [SPREAD(rspandire)]; BUR2:to release, free 2. to reveal 3. to spread out, cover; “to release, free” “to spread; (a elibera, gratuit 2. a dezvălui 3. a se întinde, acoperi; „A elibera, liber” „a răspândi;)bur [TEAR(rupere)];bur [TREE(copac)]a tree;bur [UNIT] a unit of volume(a surface measure)”

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari …www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › Rechnici › Sumerian_Cu….. BUR [85x] = (food) offering, sacrifice; meal(-time); (stone) bowl; / ofrandă (de hrana), sacrificiu; masa (timp de); castron (din piatră)

http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm BUR [85x] = (food) offering, sacrifice; meal(-time); (stone) bowl; a priest

——– Culmea, in situatia in care savantii ne explica ca precedentul semn GAR provine de la forma castronului cu margini/buze duble/tesite. —— wikipedia beweled rim bowl vezi si https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/468022586275613811/ double rim bowl

Beveled rim bowl - Wikipedia

vezi si https://ro.pinterest.com/pin/468022586275613811/ double rim bowl

Atunci mi-am zis: daca hieroglifa egipteana T https://www.mummies2pyramids.info/hieroglyphics/hieroglyph-letter-t.htm

Hieroglyphic Symbol for the Letter T ***

inseamna “jimbla de paine” si avem nu unul ci doua semne sumeriene proto cuneiforme legate de paine si mancare, am presupus ca exista o forma neatestata si negasita in alte inscriptii care le sintetizeaza pe toate si ca urmare a unei evolutii apare ca un D simplu. ===================================================== In prezenta o sa fac o interpretare (nefacuta pana acum) luind in considerare de aceasta data acceptia BUR.

Apoi exista un gen de corespondenta bur<>gur Etymological Dictionary of Akkadian Volume 1/1 – De Gruyterwww.degruyter.com › downloadpdf › titleentries with certain or likely Sumerian etymology, which he prepared during his stay … short vowel would drop): kurru < gur “kor” vs. pūru < bur “bowl/rom.”castron

www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary BUR [ 85x] = (food) offering, sacrifice; meal(-time); ( stone) .

https://docplayer.org/68553162-Ur-dynasty-tablets-dungi-bur-sin-gimil-sin-and-ibi-sin-james-b-nies-ph-d-leipzig.html << BUR ‘Release’, ‘pay (eliberare,plata)>>

—————— Ce inseamna doua semne bur: ——————

A Dictionary of the Bible: Volume I, Part I (A – Cyrus)books.google.ro › books… << Ur, Eridu, Erech, and Nisin ; and, like the middle kings of Ur (Ur-gur and Dungi), they style themselves ‘ king of Ki-Ingi and Ki- burbur (Sumer and Akkad).>>


Sumerian Hymnology: The Ersemma – Page 178 – Google Books Resultbooks.google.ro › books
If this is the case, then the most appropriate meanings for BUR.BUR are damu, “to stagger,”/rom.: a se clatina and dilu A, “to wander about in despair.”/a rataci in disperare

https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/expository-times/015_11_514.pdf <<(No. XL), has published a syllabary from which we learn that the ideograph BUR-BUR, besides
representing Uri or Ur, Assyrian Akkadu, and Tilla, Assyrian Urdh11 or Ararat, also represented
Ari, Assyrian Amurru. Amurru, the land of. the Amorites, denoted Syria and Palestine, more
especially the mountainous part of them
, and in Ari I see a Sumerian (?) reproduction of the
Canaanitish har, ‘mountain.’
/ //rom.:ideograma BUR-BUR, în plus reprezinta Uri sau Ur, Asirian Akkadu și Tilla, Asirian Urdh11 sau Ararat, de asemenea, reprezinta Ari, Asirian Amurru. Amurru, țara. Amoriții, denotau Siria și Palestina, mai mult
în special partea montană a acestora, iar în Ari văd o reproducere sumeriană (?) a Canaanitului har, „munte”.

https://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/gudea-tbuild.html <<sum. bur-bur Ta. puri : to  understand; Ta. pul: knowledge. Also Ta. piri: to open up , separate etc.>>

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/AnunnakiFalkensteinEnglish.pdf <<The majority of the supporting documents reference only limited doings of the A.
The citations which report that the A. go to, or haste to (bur-bur), a cultic site or to a god
[Sumerian text], contain the underlying idea that the A. have their dwelling places in
different locations, and from there, come together at various locations. >> (Rom.:Majoritatea documentelor justificative se referă doar la lucrări limitate ale Anunna
Citațetele care raportează că A. se îndreaptă către sau se grăbesc (bur-bur), spre un sit cultic sau un zeu
[Text sumerian], conține ideea de bază că A. își au locurile de locuit în diferite locații și, de acolo, se reunesc în diferite locații.)

A (sumér-szabir-szkíta-kelta)-magyar Európafiles.conifertreasury.org › … << egy szemita központosulással szembesülünk, amelynek iránya Sumer, a sumér … Tehát a “BUR-BUR” elnevezés földrajzilag igen nagy területre értelmezhető >>(Rom:…ne confruntăm cu o centralizare semitică în direcția Sumer, sumerian. Deci, numele „BUR-BUR” poate fi interpretat geografic pentru o zonă foarte mare …)

… semnul BUR-BUR=inseamna Uri..dar si Ur hurrians and subarians – Oriental Institute – University of Chicagooi.uchicago.edu › pdf › saoc22 THE ORIENTAL INSTITUTE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO … oi.uchicago.edu … Akkad,” whence, since the sign URI is supposedly composed of BUR.BUR

A Study of Sumerian Words for “Animal Hole”_百度文库wenku.baidu.com  … Let the water sources (bur-bur) of the Buranuna be equal to the River.

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028555757/cu31924028555757_djvu.txt <<the ordinary sign uru meaning “city,” {Amurru p. 113) ; the sign uru^’^ meaning “whirlwind, city;” the sign BUR-BUR ^uri {Amurru p. 113), etc., are all used to represent the name of the god Uru {^=Amurru). In short, these many signs standing for the pronunciation Uru or Ur as the name of a god in early Babylonian literature, and also in the late syllabaries, where such obsolete deities’ names of the past were preserved, unquestionably repre- sented the name of the god under consideration.>>

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Page 11 aug. 1999 — Beyond these words, two- thirds of this lexicon now … bůr: a square surface measure = 6.48 hectares = 18 iku … capacity; whole (cf., kilib and gur4-gur4) [NIGIN archaic. ——— NIGIN pronunta niñin ——————– <vezi imediat sus, echivalent cu?>gur4-gur4 (?)

http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/e4234.html Old Babylonian niĝin [ENCIRCLE]; niĝin “to prowl, roam; to enclose, confine; to encircle; to search; to turn; to return; to go around; to tarry”  (Rom.: a rătăci, a cutreiera;a închide; a înconjura; a căuta; a intoarce; a se intoarce; a merge în jur; a rămâne ” )

books.google.ro › books Astrology and Cosmology in the World’s Religions Nicholas Campion — 2012 · Social Science The process of reproduction resulted in the creation of the first generation of gods, including … up of an-ki, heaven and earth; the Sumerian an.ki.nigin.na translates as “the entire universe” (intregul univers)

https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/40794229/Halloran_version_3.pdf niñin(2): n., enclosure, circle; capacity; whole (cf., kilib and gur4-gur4) [NIGIN archaic frequency: 11].
v., to halt, turn away; to turn round; to surround; to assemble; to pen up cattle; to wander about; to circle; to
make the rounds / a se opri, a se întoarce; a se întoarce; a inconjura; a asambla; a crește vitele; a rătăci; a incercui; a face rondul (usually níñin[LAGAB] for hamtu form and niñin or ni10-
ni10[LAGAB.LAGAB] for marû form) (ní;ne4, ‘fear’, + ñin, ‘to go’).
niñin(2,3): vertigo (as a disease); faintness, dizziness; thirst.
nìñin, ni9: premature or stillborn child; malformed child; monstrosity.
niñin5,7,8,9, nimen(3,4,5); naña: district, province.

——————- Interpretare: —————————— Semnele H D = semne BUR?/GAR?+GA2/citit Ku= ofranda(de mancare),sacrificiu; sacru,sfant + a pune,alimente, paiine

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — ku: to base, found, build; to lie down (a baza, a găsit, a construi; a te intinde pe jos)

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerian << kug: n., silver; precious metal; money; noble ( argint; metal pretios; bani; nobil) [ku, ‘to base, build'(a baza,construi)+ aga(3), ‘diadem, circlet, crown'(diadema,cerculet ,coroana)] … adj., bright, pure; white; sacred, holy (luminos, pur; alb; sacru, sfânt)>>

———- Semnele : D D si o o=semnele “GAR-GAR/Bur-Bur si OO=LAGAB LAGAB”; ——— citeste: GAR-GAR Nigin sau Bur-Bur Nigin 1.nigin:district,adunare=comunitate“+ “acumulare,a aduna” 2.nigin:”total,toata,intreg” + “(cereale),paiine” 3.nigin:“district,adunare=comunitate“+ bur-bur:”Acadiana?,Amorita(Siriana,Palestiniana)” 4.NIGIN:”din districtul Nigin“+bur-bur:”sumerian,Sirian,etc.” 5.nigin:cresc vite, ratacesc, m-am oprit“+ bur-bur:” sumerian,akadian,sirian 6. nigin:”cutreier,ratacesc, m-am oprit,etc.”+(la) bur-bur:”sursa de apa” 7. nis+min(2x20=40)=nimin/nimen : 8.1.”district,provincie” (desi DD numai seamana cu 2) 8.2. 40, (numarul sacru a lui Enki)

CONCLUZIE: Semnele “HD“: Ritual de oferire a unei ofrande/sacrificiu. Semnele “DDoo”: (Facut de un) sumerian,sumerieni din orasul NIGIN, sau amorit din Siria sau alta parte. De aceea este portiunea aceasta acoperita pentru ca formula este sacra si la fel si ritualul in sine.Cu partea stanga e clar; pentru semnele DDoo, din combinatiile/propunerile de mai sus, una iese cumva in evidenta:

URI,UR(gar-gar,bur-bur) NIGIN: comunity,roaming around the city/ “comunitate sumeriana,akadiana, siriana/cutreierând prin oraș“; a aduna/painea toata

oi.uchicago.edu › docs › cad_sPDF Rezultate de pe web assyrian dictionary – Oriental Institute – University of Chicago << sa-bi-i m urul bdqili … bad.nigin = sah-hi-rat du-ri, uri.nigin = sah-hi-rat URU >> etern in jurul orasului, in jurul zidurilor.

books.google.ro › books The Class Reunion—An Annotated Translation and Commentary on the … J. Cale Johnson, Markham J. Geller <<.. bad.nigin = sah-hi-rat du-ri= “eternal roaming,going around the walls‘ 218 tiru nigin= sah-hi-rat URUroaming around the city‘>>bad-duru;”city wall” “bad3″: “city wall” or “fortification”.  “cutreierand in jurul zidurilor orasului“,”umbla aiurea orasul

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Semnele “HD” de pe tablita sant semnele GA2-Gar

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari …www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › Rechnici › Sumerian_Cu…PDFMay 5, 2000 — The niftiest ‘Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary‘ in the university world: … GA2 (ĝa2 / gá), mal, bisag / bisaĝ [704x] (pisan) = basket | [208x] 

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerian PDF The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at UCLA with … pisań(2/3), pisan(2/3): (open) basket; box, chest; frame Rom.: coș (deschis); cutie, CUFAR; cadru

I A- N V E D E T I C E A R E N E N E A E N K I I N MA N U T A : Din HumanPast.net Sumerian tablets https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/-9SxRO7vWB7xeT-SXWQ0VsHzV_PFwA4t9n-YF1AlsyfhlMfKPr6T30hGIKEqtpMvPf5H31DN2vW1l3CxAQflG5qnzz8vqm37

Sumerian Tablets

—————————————– Semne DDoo citire: 1, 1, 10, 10 > 2; 20 in sumeriana Min+ Nis, min.nis

ORBIS BIBLICUS ET ORIENTALIS 1m Auftrag der Stiftung …is.muni.cz › phil › PAPVB_13 › aBZL 61 v, Lgbd ll Z33QQLSU 261 C Lgbd II Z33 AA min , nis (puzur.

Altbabylonische Zeichenliste – Scribdwww.scribd.com › document › Altba… https://docplayer.org/149480780-Altbabylonische-zeichenliste-der-sumerisch-literarischen-texte.html  363 MAN = min3, niš (puzur2)

https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/signlist.php sign name: u u CITIZEN ;sign: >> ;ETCSL Values: men 5 , min 3 , puzur 2 —————————-

165 puzur secret of the mouth pu.pdf https://www.academia.edu/35527906/165_puzur_secret_of_the_mouth_pu_pdf

<<The Akkadian scribe manipulated the word puzur >puzur Rom.: Scribul akkadian a manipulat cuvântul puzur puzur (buzur bur 3 buru3) puzur [SECRET].  Then the scribe created a bunch of homophones expanding the language out of thin air from asingle Akkadian word for secret: Rom.: Apoi, scribul a creat o grămadă de omofoni care extindeau limbajul “asa din aer”, dintr-un singur cuvânt akkadian pentru secret: puzur Homophones   puzur = U puzur 2 = U.U puzur 3 = U.ZAG puzur 4 = KA×GAN2@t.ŠA puzur 5 = KA×GAN2@t This arbitrary homophones proves that Sumerian was not a tonal language because all these cognates derived from a single Akkadian word. Rom.: Acest omofon arbitrar dovedește că sumeriana nu a fost o limba tonala, deoarece toate aceste înrudite derivate dintr-un singur cuvânt akkadian. “U”: bur 3  bur [UNIT].buru3 (see full listing)

U.U”:

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man (men5 mim3 min3 mina3mam mana)man [COMPANION]. min3 min [TWO].niš (neš nis)niš [TWENTY]. puzur 2 (buzur 2) puzur [SECRET]. tab4 tab [COMPANION].tab [DOUBLE].Full listing.

www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria 5 mai 2000 — Proto Cuneiform Signs (cdli) . … 2 [“2” / two numeric] | TAB [740x] = to double; to repeat; companion, partner, friend | cf.

<< Patrick C. Ryan a scos, (numai el stie de unde!) Sumerian Archaic Sign Table Semnul:

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Phonetic value/Valoare fonetica:” MIN, MAN” >> I N T E R P R E T A R E: semnele DD=2=man:”COMPANION” dar in acelasi timp si puzur2:”secret” + semnele “oo“=NIGIN=”total,whole”/rom.: “TOTAL, CU TOTUL…”

C O M P A N I O N ? S E C R E T ? T O T AL , C U T O T U L , I N T E G R A L , P E V I A T A

Translations of whole adjective : întreg “whole, entire, complete, full, round, total ; tot all, whole, livelong; integral :”integral, integrate, whole” Translations of livelong adjective trainic lasting, durable, strong, solid, livelong, tough tot all, whole, livelong lung long, lengthy, protracted, extensive, vast, livelong


is.muni.cz › PAPVB_13 › Ha…PDF Rezultate de pe web Sumerian Lexicon – IS MUNI 11 aug. 1999 — The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at … buzur(2,4, 5), puzur(2,4,5): safety, security; secret, mystery;  Rom.: siguranță, securitate; secret, mister puzur [SECRET] (5x: Old Babylonian) wr. puzur4; puzur5; puzurpuzur2 “secret, shelter; protection, aegis, shadow, shelter” Akk. puzru .. Rom.: secret, adăpost; protecție, egidă, umbră, adăpostpuzur[cavity] – ePSDpsd.museum.upenn.edu › epsd puzur [CAVITY] wr. puzur3 “cavity, cave” Akk. huppu. [1], cuneiform |U.ZAG|, puzur3. 1. cavity, cave. Akk. huppu “hole, pit?” Rom.:”cavitate,pestera”,”gaura,groapa?”

Summerian Dictionaries – Real Paranormal Huntersrealhuntersofevil.wikifoundry.com › page › Summeria… … BUZUR = God of the Deep Mines (God Who Solves Secrets) …. si asa exista suspiciunea ca tabletele au fost aduse de un comerciant, metalurgist sau prospector de metale/?miner? …

Apoi , noi avem 1,1, 10,10 si nu 10,10,21,1, asa cum scriu sumerienii numerele cu zecile in stanga si unitatile in dreapta !,caz in care am avea “22”.Atunci nu putem citi altfel pe 2 si 20 decat:

Sumerian Grammar – Page 65 – Google Books Resultbooks.google.ro › books 40: [nimin], [nin]: Powell 1971, 48, CAD E 255 erbä lex. … [nimin], glossed ni-min, ni-mi-in, ni-in, may be explained as a reduced form of *[niš-min) “two twenties”. Rom.: doi-douazeci” (“40”)

Enki – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Enki Enki is the Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), mischief, crafts (gašam), and creation …Beginning around the second millennium BCE, he was sometimes referred to in writing by the numeric ideogram for “40“, occasionally referred to as his “sacred number“.

temple1 – Angelfirewww.angelfire.com › gatestobabylon › temple2 The gods An, Enlil and Enki are not merely grandfather, father and son in the … The god Enki was called both Shanabi (two-thirds) and Nimin (forty in Sumerian).

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Troy – motherland of the Turks – AzerNewswww.azernews.az › culture <<Gargar is an important ethnomym which ties the Mediterranean to the Turkic world. A town by the name Gargara was situated near Troy. A province under this name is mentioned in the “Iliad“. To these can also be added an old Italian province by the name of Gargaria which is surely connected with the Trojan migration to Italy. As was mentioned above, the identical names – Gargar/Karkar were spread in the Turkic onomasticon as the names of tribes (Azerbaican, Turkmenistan), mountains (Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan), and as a personal name in “Manas“, a Kirghizian epic >>

bolcheknig.ru › russkijj-yazyk › ilia… Iliad Veresaev read. Hesiod: Work and days. Translation by V … <<…. A fierce dispute arose between the three goddesses: the Queen Hero, the wife of Zeus, Pallas Athena, the goddess of wisdom, and Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty. Each demanded an apple for herself, as the most beautiful. They could not get along and turned to the handsome Tsarevich Paris, the son of the Trojan king Priam, to resolve the dispute. At that time, he was herding herds on Gargar, one of the peaks of Mount Ida near Troy. Both sides immediately led the matter straight. Hera promised Paris power and wealth, Athena – wisdom and glory, Aphrodite – the love of the most beautiful woman in the world.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargara Gargara (Ancient GreekΓάργαρα) was an ancient Greek city on the southern coast of the Troad region of Anatolia. It was initially located beneath Mount Gargaron, one of the three peaks of Mount Ida, today known as Koca Kaya (39°35′10″N 26°32′03″E).[1] At some point in the 4th century BCE the settlement moved approximately 5.8 km south of Koca Kaya to a site on the small coastal plain near the modern villages of Arıklı and Nusratlı (39°32′22″N 26°32′46″E), at which point the previous site came to be known as Old Gargara (Ancient Greek: Παλαιγάργαρος).[2] Both sites are located in the Ayvacık district of Çanakkale Province in Turkey. Mount Gargaron Mount Gargaron has been identified with the mountain today called Koca Kaya (Turkish Great Rock), a western spur of Mount Ida with a maximum elevation of 780 m.[3] The poet Epicharmus (fl. 540 – 450 BCE) refers to the mountain as “snowcapped” (ἀγάννιφα), and the Etymologicum Magnum (ca. 1150 CE) knew a tradition according to which the inhabitants of Old Gargara moved to their new site to escape the cold of their old home.[4] In Homer’s Iliad it is said to have had an altar to Zeus at its summit, and hence is a place the god frequently visits.[5] In one passage Zeus is said to have come to Mount Gargaron from Mount Olympos to view the battle between the Trojans and the Acahaeans, about 50 km NE of here.[6] In writers of the 1st and 2nd century AD such as Statius and Lucian Zeus is said to have abducted the Trojan prince Ganymede from Mount Gargaron while he was hunting in the nearby forests.[7] Lucian also represents the Judgement of Paris as taking place on Mount Gargaron rather than in its more traditional location further to the east above Antandrus.[8] The anonymous author of On Rivers thought that Gargara was Mount Ida’s previous name, while the Latin poet Valerius Flaccus used it as a learned way of referring to Ida.[9] The Etymologicum Magnum explains the name of Gargaron either as deriving from the verb γαργαρίζειν (‘to gargle’) on account of the springs thought to bubble up on the summit (an inference taken from Homer’s reference to ‘many-fountained Ida’ in conjunction with Gargaron), or as deriving from γαργαρέων (UVULAuvula‘) on account of the mountain’s shape.

LOEB CLASSICAL LIBRARY ; 154 Stephanus of Byzantium, Places and Peoples Gargara: a city in the Troad1 on the promontory of Ida, known as Palaegargarus (Old Gargara), described as an Aeolian city by Strabo and Hecataeus. Alcman uses a feminine form Γάργαρος, Gargarus. Leleges used to live there.

Wikipedia GARGAREANS In Greek mythology, the Gargareans, or Gargarenses, (Greek: Γαργαρείς Gargareis) were an all-male tribe. They copulated with the Amazons annually in order to keep both tribes reproductive. Varying accounts suggest that they may have been kidnapped, raped, and murdered for this purpose, or that they may have had relations willingly. The Amazons kept the female children, raising them as warriors, and gave the males to the Gargareans.The Gargareans are held by some historians to be a component of the ancestry of the Chechen and the Ingush peoples, and equivalent or at least related to the Georgian name Dzurdzuks.[3] Adrienne Mayor wrote about the Ghalghai/Gergar and mentions an old Ingush legend about a Maiden’s Tower located in the Assa gorge in Ingushetia.Strabo wrote that “… the Amazons live close to Gargarei, on the northern foothills of the Caucasus mountains“. The Amazons were attributed to the Circassians via the root mazeGaius Plinius Secundus also localizes Gargarei at North of the Caucasus, but calls them Gegar.[5] Some scholars (P.K. Uslar, K. Miller, N.F. Yakovleff, E.I. Krupnoff, L.A. Elnickiy, I.M. Diakonoff, V.N. Gemrakeli) supported that Gargarei is an earlier Ingush ethnonym. Jaimoukha suggests that the myth might have been a nod to the similarity between Circassians and Durdzuks, despite their very different languages. The Ancient Greek chronicler Strabo mentioned that Gargareans had migrated from eastern Asia Minor (i.e. URARTU Urartu) to the North Caucasus.[6] Jaimoukha notes that Gargareans is one of many Nakh roots- gergara, meaning, in fact, “kindred” in proto-Nakh.[7]

Cuvantul grec care este asemanator are in plus si sens asemanator cu gar-gar : γάργαρα Βικιλεξικό , τά, A heaps, lots, plenty, (“grămezi, multe,“) ἀνδρῶν Aristomen.1; ἀνθρώπων Alc.Com.19

books.google.ro › books Rezultate de pe web Sievers’ Law and the History of Semivowel Syllabicity in … P. J. Barber, Peter Jeffrey Barber — 2013 · History we find what seems to be a denominative γαργαίρω ‘swarm, teem with (people, corpses, or objects of various kinds)’ (Cratin., Ar., Sophr. , . In Istorie găsim ceea ce pare a fi un roi denumit γαργαίρω, plin de (oameni, cadavre sau obiecte de diferite tipuri) ”

translate.enacademic.com › γάργαρα γάργαρα from greek 🧬 – Academic Dictionaries and Encyclopedias Derivatives: γαργαρίς θόρυβος H., γαργαίρω ` swarm’ (Com., Sophr.); γαργάρται λίθοι αὑτοφυεῖς (H.)? With another vowel γέργερα πολλά .. Rom:γαργαίρω ` “roi”

CONTINUTUL MISTERIOS, “EZOTERIC”? AL TABLITEI ROTUNDE DE LA TARTARIA.

December 16, 2020

Atentie! Aceasta postare nu este o o descifrare sau citire a unui presupus continut scris real. Avand in vedere ca semnele nu apartin unui unic sistem de scris ci mai multora, pagina are un caracter pur didactic. Are rolul de a incerca si testa diferite scrieri. Semnele de pe tablite apartin mai multor sisteme de scrisi dintr-larg interval de timp si care au folosite in diferite arii geografice. In niciuna din incercari semnele s-au incadrat intr-un singur tip de scriere, totdeauna au ramas semne care au provenit din alte scrieri (sau din necunoscut). Cele mai multe semne provin din cele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.Apoi privind asemanarea, in ordine descrescatoare este aceea cu semnele Linear A/B si cele Anatoliene. Semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde par a proveni din scrierea arhaica greceasca.Cel mai degraba aceasta “adunatura” de semne pare a fi rodul imaginatiei bogate a cuiva.Dupa cum au constatat A.Falkenstein si A.A.Vaiman, (aceasta fiind si parerea mea ferma) autorul nu a fost un scrib, avea doar vagi notiuni privind scrisul in general si nu se stie ce a urmarit. Exista multe elemente de neconcordanta precum si altele care scot tablitele din tiparele si normele uzuale ale  logicii, scrisului si intentiilor oneste. ======== Trei sau patru dintre savantii de anvergura mondiala, aici fac referire directa doar la doi: Adam Falkenstein si Aizic Abramovici Vaiman, specializati in proto-scrierea sumeriana (care foloseste semne proto-cuneiforme) sau aplecat asupra acestor tablite. Este vorba de jumatatea de sus care contine semnele: HD    DDoo

Semnele HD sant semnele sumeriene proto cuneiforme. Poza din Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets Keith Massey

A Place of Brightness: Moonlight in Romania: The Tărtăria Tablets

– Semnul “H”=Buzur,puzur=siguranta,securitate,secret,mister,BUZUR:zeul minelor adanci(zeul care dezleaga secretele) si/sau “Ku”=”stralucirea(metalelor)”, – si semnul D=˹DIŠ : “Unu,unul,un,o” ) SEMNIFICATIILE DE MAI SUS MA DUC CU GANDUL LA UN PROSPECTOR DE METALE SUMERIAN... Imaginea din Moonlight in Romania … placeofbrightness.blogspot.com

Cand au ajuns la jumatatea de sus a tablitei rotunde, pusi in fata secventei “D D o o” bineinteles ca au stiut ca sumerienii figurau cifrele numai prin imprimare, si deloc prin trasare. Ex. un D mic imprimat”1”, D mare imprimat 60; disc imprimat=10. Cercetatorii de care am facut vorbire au luat rapid si zic eu neingaduit de superficial semnele ca cifre si au vazut probabil 1, 1,10,10 =22                                                                                DAR SEMNELE NU SANT CIFRE, cel putin semnele OO nu sant obtinute prin imprimarea cu un bat rotund si nu reprezinta 10,10 ci sant trasate  si exista ca atare (trasate) printre semnele proto-cuneiforme

Din  Proto-cuneiform tablet (W 9578,g) from Uruk IV, 3350-32 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karenleigh_A_Overmann/publication/301221553/figure/fig9/AS:639266971471876@1529424531807/Proto-cuneiform-tablet-W-9578-g-from-Uruk-IV-3350-3200-BC-with-numerical-impressions.png

In dreapta avem de doua ori 10 10 + de 8 ori 1=228

Pe tablita avem semnele inscriptionate numai prin trasare (latina cuneus=cui). Probabil stiau ca exista semne “o” trasate si nu imprimate si ca nu exista pe nici macar o singura tablita sumeriana cu vre-un semn “D” trasat.  In lipsa de alte idei (si de altceva mai bun), au interpretat totusi toata secventa DDoo a fi  un numar. Si asta pentru faptul ca aspectul acestor semne imprimate este asemanator unor D-uri si O-uri. Au spus in schimb ca nu sant semne original sumeriene si ca atare posibil nu au fost trasate de un Sumerian (get-beget), cel putin nu unul bun cunoscator al tehnicii scrierii. Dublarea, cuvintele repetate este o caracteristica a limbilor “primitive” agglutinative care nu au flexionarea substantivelor si verbelor.Erau folosite de sumerieni in primul rand ca sa exprime pluralitatea, dar vom vedea mai incolo ca nu numai pentru aceasta.Acestor limbi li s-a dat o denumire hazlie “banana languages”, pentru ca apar secvente de genul ba-NA-NA. Asa de exemplu este limba Egeeana minoica ce apare in scrierea Linear A nedescifrata, in primul rand datorita dificultatilor de a depista acea limba. Exemplu a-SA-SA-ra-me.  

Eu am ramas constant ideii afirmate pentru prima oara de Dl.Marco Merlini (la care majoritatea cercetatorilor subscrie, inclusive eu) ca aceasta portiune, jumatatea superioara a tabletei rotunde era gandita intentionat de a fi ferita privirii trecatorilor. Motivul zice dansul ar fi faptul ca are un continut esoteric, inteleg eu sacru. Desi nu trebuie dupa parerea mea sa fie in mod absolute obligatoriu un continut sau mesaj din sfera religioasa.De aceea este lipsit de sens ca cineva sa ascunda aiurea niste cifre. Zilele acestea, sa sar in sus de bucurie, am gasit in Sumerian Archaic Sign Table by Patrick C. Ryan semnul 940: 940; 940=924+924

Apoi echivalentul fonetic Sumerian al acestui semn ar fi 940, man?; min (cu semnul intrebarii adica dansul presupune, propune…)min Acest cercetator nu este epigrafist sau sumerolog, este lingvist. El merge pe firul timpului inapoi in timp inspre o presupusa proto-limba.Nu stiu cum a gasit aceasta secventa de semne presupus de el sumeriene DD daca le-a vazut undeva(nu cred) sau le presupune asa in imaginatia sa bogata si prolifica. Suficient este ca fiind singurul loc unde am gasit-o si bazanduma ca oricum este om de stiinta ar trebui sa o iau in consideratie. Semnul DD e presupus de dansul a fi compus din doua semne 924 :   https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

eugenrau:!????    Pai seamana semnul 924 cu un semn D !??    De ce nu a considerat ca DD este compus din doua D-uri, care reprezinta fiecare “1” ??: Acekasi autor, Patrick C. Ryan, http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianValuesMeanings.htm   Determining Phonetic Values (Readings) for Sumerian Signs Associated With Certain Meanings Sign #1 , which in later cuneiform is a simple horizontal stroke with a wedge (cuneus) on its left side, is a descendent of, at least, two archaic Sumerian signs. The first, shown at the left, it will be noticed, is a simple vertical line 

aš (SSAsh-1-1.jpg)
Înlocuirea imaginilor obiectelor obișnuite cu pene și linii cuneiforme și orientarea lor diferită înseamnă că cuneiformul este, cu cea mai mare dificultate, să fie utilizat la determinarea naturii originale a reprezentării, care, vom vedea, este o cheie a originii sale fonetice și semasiologice.
diš-2 (SSDish2-1-1b.jpg)
*ana3(acesta) unul *, ‘unu; unic’ *de/il(e/i), ‘unu; singur; numai; singur; unic’ *de/2, ‘unu’ Sumeriana era cel mai frecvent scrisa în coloane verticale, de sus în jos, care se desfășurau de la dreapta la stânga.
Semiții, care au adoptat-o ​​dureros, au preferat să citească mai mult pe orizontală decât pe verticală și au întors tabletele cu 90 ° spre stânga, cu rezultatul că vârfurile semnelor sumeriene erau cele mai la stânga pe linia orizontală. Aceasta a dus, de asemenea, la o lectură forțată de la stânga la dreapta (în limbile semitice asiriană și babiloniană), spre deosebire de practica sumeriană de citire de la dreapta la stânga.

 Apoi din  SUMERIAN SIGN VALUE REGISTER – OoCities http://www.oocities.org › proto-language › SumerianSignVal.  https://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianSignValueRegister.htm?202014#M

 Apoi echivalentul fonetic Sumerian al acestui semn 940, ar fi http://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianSignValueRegister.htm man?; min (cu semnul intrebarii adica dansul presupune, propune),unde man este, Sumerian Lexicon Version 3.0 by John A. Halloran https://archive.org/stream/jstor-592733/592733_djvu.txt

mana, mìna, man, mìn, men5: partener; tovaras; egal; doi (cf., mina, ‘doi’).

men(4): coroana, diadema (metafora a divinului en-conducator) (me, ‘functie, office’ + en, ‘lord’)

mén: ambii; asemanator, (cf., mana).

men2,3: Eu, insumi (cf., me-en).

min(3,5,6): (cf., mina and mana).

mina, min(5,6): doi; al doilea (mí, ‘femeie’, + na, ‘lucruri distincte’, pentru ca o femeie are doi sani) Apoi semnele 822 =750+750 https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

822 cu valoarea fonetica   b/puzur2,mam,man,men5,mim3,min3,muru8,neS,niS,nis,sin,Sar4,SuSana2,utu3, unde 750: https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

valoare fonetica a6,bu12,bur(u)3,buzur,ge14,giburu(m),giguru,ha3,hu3,Sil3,Su4,SuS,u,umun,un2 Sau  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html  2(LAGAB~a) adica LAGAB x LAGAB

Din http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/dcclt/signlists/P282497

[[kili₃> ]]  * ki-⸢li⸣ (pronounced) kili, (written) = total                                                                                            [[kili₃> ]]  * MIN<(ki-li)>                                                                                                                    (pronounced) kili, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB, as in (Sumerian) usukili = massed might (of an army?)

[[kili₃> ]]  * MIN<(ki-li)> (pronounced) kili, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = assembly

[[kilib₃> ]] * ki-lib (pronounced) kilib, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = ditto

[[nin₃> ]] * ni-in (pronounced) nin, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = same thing (assembly)for the third time


nigin[[niŋin> ]] * ni-⸢gi⸣-in  (pronounced) nigin, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = same thing (assembly)for the fourth time

nigin[[niŋin> ]] *(u) <(ni-gi-in)> = to go around

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * ⸢MIN⸣<(ni-gi-in)>  ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to constantly seek out

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * ⸢MIN⸣<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to supervise

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to surround

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to continually encircle

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to lie across

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to enclose

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to close up a house

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to constantly seek for

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to roam around

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to grovel(said) of a man “umili, tara”

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to delay

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = total

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to cut off

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to turn= relenting

nigin[[niŋin> ]] <(ni-gi-in)>  ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to rotate= vertigo

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  *(u) * MIN<(ni-gi-in)> ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to encircle

nigin[[niŋin> ]]  * MIN<(ni-gi-in)>ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = firmly established (said) of a gate

nigin[[niŋin> ]] * MIN<(ni-gi-in)>  ditto, (written) LAGAB.LAGAB = to convey “transmite”

Deocamdata am constatat cateva intelesuri  commune pentru DD si oo: (man,men5): partener, companion, egal, doi    …in faza asta pare un angajament de comuniune a unei perechi.  

https://archive.org/stream/proceedings12soci/proceedings12soci_djvu.txt << nimin is also arb&, “forty.” Is this ni(s), “twenty,” min, “twice”? …. … chinese: ni, “many”; min, “a multitude”; jd’/i min-min, “a mass of people” (gin + min) ….<$<, nimin, *kissatu, ” multitude,” (ni + min) = nigin, napharu ; cp. me, “much”; and perhaps ni or ne, ” a force,” ” host.” >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                    Inafara de faptul ca sumerienii nu trasau,inscriptionau semnele pentru numere, unul din cercetatorii enumerati inainte a mai adaugat o observatie din care rezulta ca nu era un scrib sumerian, si anume ca spre deosebire de sumerieni care incepeau cu numerele mai mari, aici trebuind sa inceapa cu zecile, pe care trebuia sa le puna la stanga, la noi numarul incepe cu unitatile: 1,1,10,10. posibil ca a folosit semnele pentru numere ca sa ascunda de fapt cuvinte. Dar si daca ar fi inscriptionat numere, pentru 22 trebuia sa scrie 20, 2 pe cand aici a inscriptionat 2,20 . Se citeste 2 x 20=min-niš= 2×20 ?. Pentru ca sumerienii spuneau pentru 40=nis-min=2×20> nimin=40. INSEAMNA ORI CA NU A INTENTIONAT SA SCRIE UN NUMAR CI NUMAI min-nigin SAU A VRUT SA ASCUNDA NUMARUL 40 (niš-min,nimin=40) SUB FORMA 20×2, min- niš. Interesant ca si un cercetator rus acum zeci de ani a dedus ca apare numarul 40.

NUN.KA.S.UGULA.PL.IDIM.KARA.I: “In (cea de-a) patruzecea domnie pentru buzele (gura) zeului Saue cel mai vârstnic dupa ritual (a fost) ars. Acesta-i al zecelea”

https://unglueit-files.s3.amazonaws.com/ebf/2330290bbe4c4ce08d318e78186a077f.pdf << 60-61a) As Finkel (1988: 149 n. 62) has argued, the first deity, written in abbreviated form with the number 40!? (in witness A) and mistakenly with 5036 for 40!? (in witness B) should represent Ea, the god of wisdom and magic, since he is usually responsible for human fate and associated with the lore of exorcism or conjuring. Fink el identifies the following cryptic signs PAB-PAB/BÙLUG with Ea’s son Marduk/Asalluhi who is considered as the patron of the āšipu par excellence >>

—————– santier in lucru ! Atentie, cad caramizi ! ———————-

Alan Turing http://alanturings.blogspot.com/2010/04/sacred-number-of-enki.html
NUMARUL SACRU AL LUI ENKI Cu mai mult de 7.000 de ani în urmă, civilizația sumeriană a prosperat în toată Mesopotamia. Un sistem agricol fusese dezvoltat pentru a susține viața continuu pentru prima dată în istoria omenirii, iar locuitorii săi au creat un panteon de zei elaborat pentru a explica minunile naturale și fenomenul morții.
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Una dintre cele mai venerate zeități ale lor, care apare și ca „Ea” în Babilon și Akkad, a fost „Enki”. Dincolo de Mesopotamia antică, legendele care îl înconjoară pe Enki au rezonat în epoca biblică (atât Vechiul, cât și Noul Testament) și au un impact asupra lumii noastre de astăzi. În timp ce puțini îi cunosc numele, Enki este o parte inevitabilă a secolului 21.
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Proiectându-și reputația descurajantă din Golful Persic, Enki, adesea tradus ca „Domn al Pământului”, avea o înclinație pentru bere și femei – în special rude de sex feminin. În ciuda decesului de a deveni un bețiv obișnuit zvelt, el a reușit să fie considerat și zeul inteligenței, meșteșugurilor și creației. Așa cum s-a întâmplat cu majoritatea zeităților pre-iudaice, zeii din Egiptul antic, Grecia și Sumer dețineau de obicei atât caracteristici supranaturale, cât și umane (defecte).
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În cele din urmă, Enki a devenit un fel de salvator prin înfrângerea desenelor nefaste ale fratelui său vitreg Enlil. Într-un cuvânt, Enlil a vrut să pună capăt experimentului uman și a declanșat o serie de dezastre naturale (adică foamete, secetă etc.) asupra Mesopotamiei. Enki a răspuns educându-i pe oameni să folosească contramăsuri eficiente (adică irigații pentru a bate seceta) pentru a supraviețui atacului lui Enlil.
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Când Enlil a descoperit că planurile sale macabre nu au reușit să se materializeze, a convocat o întâlnire a zeilor (a cărei rege era) și a decis să inunde lumea din existență. Când Enki a aflat despre ultima machinație a fratelui său vitreg, se spune că i-a spus unui bărbat pe nume Atrahasis să construiască un vas suficient de mare pentru a rezista printr-un potop. Suna familiar?
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Prin urmare, noțiunile despre un zeu care „salvează” umanitatea dintr-o figură întunecată și inundația catastrofală de sfârșit a lumii descrise în legendele lui Enki par să cuprindă rădăcinile istoriei iudeo-creștine ulterioare și a relatărilor teologice.
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Dincolo de aceste povești, este interesant de menționat că Enki a fost adesea numit pur și simplu „40”, iar numărul său a fost considerat sacru în cadrul tradiției sumeriene. Deoarece „40” apare mai des în Biblia creștină decât orice alt număr (adică potopul lui Noe a durat „patruzeci de zile și patruzeci de nopți”, Isus a petrecut patruzeci de zile postind în deșert, au trecut 40 de zile între învierea și înălțarea lui Isus etc.) , „40” sumeriană a lui Enki trăiește încă pe cel puțin două religii practicate pe scară largă astăzi. Sperăm că oamenii de știință vor putea face progrese suplimentare în legarea curenților intelectuali și teologici din Sumer și Egiptul Antic de iudaism și creștinism. Între timp, studenții de istorie, religie și arheologie ar trebui să continue să pătrundă în lumea primei civilizații – Sumer – unde „40” nu arăta niciodată atât de bine.
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(Pictograf: Enki – cu râurile Tigru și Eufrat ieșind din umerii lui. Enki era cunoscut și ca „Dumnezeul reaprovizionării”)
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J Roquen
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Enki a fost adesea numit pur și simplu „40”, iar numărul său a fost considerat sacru în cadrul tradiției sumeriene.

nimin(40), *kissatu, ” multitude,” (ni + min) = nigin, napharu ; cp. me, “much”

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[1776]Semn << ;   Numele semnului: U.U                                                                                                              citire:man (men 5 mim 3 min 3 mina 3 mam mana) min 3 niš (neš nis) puzur 2 (buzur 2) tab 4               citiri aditionale:amna 2, geš x(|U.U|), giš x(|U.U|), meš x(|U.U|), naš, nes, šamaš 2, šar 4, šarru 2, šušana 2, šušanaku, utu 3, wan

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 PDF File (.pdf), John A. Halloran … šušana: one third (part). 919   https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm 822. min4, 822=750+750

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921. min5, 921 919+893bhttps://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

 002. min6,  https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

215. min7, https://www.oocities.org/athens/Forum/2803/SumerianArchaicSignTable.htm

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SHE / ŠE | niga, nigu = [28315x!] barley, grain; 

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