Aegean ideogram “KA”


I read Mr.’s Andras Zeke study: Tracking the evolution of the ‘KA’ and ‘QE’ signs of Minoan Hieroglyphic and Linear scripts http://minoablog.blogspot.com/

<<Is the ‘sieve’ sign (Hie *47) KA or rather QE? Alone from its shape, it is impossible to decide. >>

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I tried to make corespondences with: – sumerian proto-cuneiform signs : – UDU:”sheep, many”, – UTU:”sun” www.ancient.eu › Utu-Shamash Utu-Shamash – Ancient History Encyclopedia 31 ian. 2017 — His symbol of the solar disc shows a circle with four points protruding toward the cardinal directions and four wavy lines …and – MAS:”twin” Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — M. Civil, unpublished Sumerian glossary for students. … gikid: reed mat [KID archaic frequency: 76; concatenates 5 sign variants]. … maš: one-half; twin – egyptian KA:”life” Ka | Egyptian religion | Britannicawww.britannica.com › topic › ka-Egyptian-religion Ka, in ancient Egyptian religion, with the ba and the akh, a principal aspect of the soul of a human being or of a god. The exact significance of the ka remains a matter of controversy, chiefly for lack of an Egyptian definition; the usual translation, “double,” is incorrect – sumerian KA:”mouth” – proto I.E. Ka:”like,desire” www.thefreedictionary.com › roots Indo-European root kā- – The Free Dictionary kā-. To like, desire. Oldest form *keh2-, colored to *kah2-, becoming *kā- – SEAL,stamp,sign

Close to Cretan hieroglyph Ka, from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign DUB

Impagination – Layout and Materiality of Writing and …books.google.ro › booksThe Akkadian term, in turn, is a loanword from Sumerian dub ( ), “tablet”.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Sign GUKKAL

Hieroglyphs – egypt, egyptian, dynasty, time, art, period and british In them we see pictures of the reception of Minoan ambassadors from Crete which are among the most important … The sign for seal, Q is a picture of the cylinder rolling over the clay.

sirius-star.ro › 2016/05 › L.A…PDF the makers of civilization in race &! history – Sirius-Star.ro Date of Minoan Civilization about 2700 B.C.. 256-295 … this seal sign. as ” the cut or engraved,” and is derived from the Egyptian. Khat” cut …

ia800909.us.archive.org › W…PDF Egyptian Civilization: Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology (1930) Egyptian and Indus inscriptions, and Uru-ka Gina of his. Mesopotamian … this seal sign, as ” the cut or engraved,” and is derived from the Egyptian. Khat” cut or ..

books.google.ro › books Rezultate de pe web How to Decipher the Byblos Script Jan Best — 2018 · Crete (Greece) Minoans without Mycenaeans” or – perhaps better still – Minoans without … The texts on many seals of Minoan dynasts start with the Luwian hieroglyphic sign for seal (HH 327), SASAI, .

The Stream of Time: The Minoans: Seals and Sealings
RETHINKING ADMINISTRATION AND SEAL USE IN THIRD MILLENNIUM CRETE*
Bonhams : A Minoan dark green semi-translucent steatite seal ring

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Greek-like Elements in Linear A
Gregory Nagy file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/11991-13863-1-PB-1.pdf

<< In that case, the heading ka-pa da-ta-ra would mean “commodity allotments.” …..It will also be noted that the other common Greek connective meaning “and” (Le. Kat) has not as yet been found in the corpus ofB:
this is probably due to the aforementioned aversion of the B system to
monosyllables other than abbreviations «(f No.2 above). ….In any case, kas or kai would be expected to appear as *ka in the syllabary. …..

Another possible identification of ka in A with kai is found in HT llb. Here ka occurs five times as a monosyllable connecting numerals (40,30,50,30,30 respectively), which are totaled up in the end (= 180)
with the ku-ro sign:

  1. Jde-Ll 1 sa-ra2~
  2. -:L35 ka 40 ka 30
  3. ka 50 Tu-LlOl-na
  4. ka 30 sa-qe-ri
  5. ka 30 ku-ro
  6. 180
    Since these five instances of ka occur with absolutely no ligatures appended, they are consequently identical and there is no direct evidence that could point to their being ideograms. One can explain them as plus-signs in a tally-the most ideal context possible for kai. ….and the precise lTIotivation for placing a ka before each number might be to indicate just what is supposed to be added up. Consequently, the numerall in line 1 is excluded from the tally and thus does not have a ka. The latter is repeated five times here in this horizontally-running tally for the same reason, one would suppose, that plus-signs are repeated in horizontal additions today: the one difference is that in this tablet the first ka, unlike a plus-sign, occurs before the first number to be tallied; but cf. Greek kai X kai Y kai Z= “both X and Y and Z.” >>

NOW THIS POINT I’VE EXPECTED: TO SHOW THE VERY ORIGIN OF THE SIGN + :

From Early Numeration – Tally Sticks, Counting Boards, and Sumerian Proto-Writing John Alan Halloran
http://www.sumerian.org/ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?zx=5altn8zeq797#inbox?projector=1

<<The simple cross does not have a numerical meaning in written Sumerian, but the tally mark symbolism of the cross in a circle meaning ‘many’ is preserved in an alternate reading for the Sumerian sign of the circled cross. When the sign is read udu, it means ‘sheep’, but sometimes it must be read lu, meaning ‘many, much; to be/make numerous, abundant’.>>

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html UDU

From https://brewminate.com/the-origins-and-invention-of-writing/

The Origins and Invention of Writing – Brewminate

From Pinterest.com,

Early Writing: A Proto-Cuneiform Record of Sheep from c. 3400 BCE This  small administrative tablet from Uruk comes… | Mesopotamia, Ancient writing,  Ancient sumerian

bilingual education in old babylonian mesopotamiaescholarship.org › contentthe role of the Sumerian language in the curriculum. … Thus, the Sumerian word utu “Sun” is rendered in at least one … Thus, udu = utu = immerum = imērum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utu Utu,[a] later worshipped by the East Semitic Akkadian-speaking Assyrians and Babylonians as Shamash,[b](Ashurian/Hatran Aramaic: 𐣴𐣬𐣴)[4] was the ancient Mesopotamian sun god,

Version of the ancient star/Sun symbol of Shamash[1

Also, sumerian proto-cuneiform cross sign, MAS meant “twin” <> linear A,B KA:”both” https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html MASz.MAS

So, Aegean sign, ideogram KA is representing the MARK, SEAL for COMMODITY, or gathering of commodities, (KA-PO:”harvest” later greek KAi).

*************** Now begin the show ! ********************

KA-PO

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%90%82%93 ka-po:”fruit”

Linear A Texts: Homepage – Add Personal Web Spacepeople.ku.edu › ~jyounger › LinearA  Ruth Palmer 2004 suggested that ka-pa in Linear B meant processed “fruits” (cf. LinB ka-po). But KA-PA also seems to be a name (personal or ..

KA-PA

Minoan Linear A – JStorwww.jstor.org › stable Linear. B, thanks to Ventris’ decipherment, is identified as a dialect of Greek; … ing of ka-ro-pa3 to Akkadian karpu. … ka-pa is Akkadian gabba, “all,” it is clear.

Linear A Texts: Homepage – Add Personal Web Spacepeople.ku.edu › ~jyounger › LinearA KA-PA occurs only in the HT tablets; it seems to be a transaction term or

DO-SO-MO 1 (2000)www.ihpt.pl › do-so-mo › do-so-mo-nr-6 PDFStriking examples are the words found in Minoan Linear A inscriptions, “KA-PA” and “KA-PA-QE”, interpreted as “CROPS”, and “CROPS” 

MINOAN AND MYCENAEAN OVERSEA’S CONTACTS:THE EPIGRAPHIC EVIDENCE
FRED C. WOUDHUIZEN http://daciajournal.ro/pdf/Dacia_2009/Art%2001.pdf

. ka-pa-ti-ja PY Eb 338, etc. “Karpathiā (f)”

Minoan Linear A ideogram for “man” “soldier” + supersyllabogram KA = kapa = Mycenaean Linear B = eqeta https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/2016/07/20/minoan-linear-a-ideogram-for-man-soldier-supersyllabogram-ka-kapa-mycenaean-linear-b-eqeta/

Ideogram Eqeta Linear B kapa Linear A

…don’t understand much how is appearing eqeta, but:

https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/minoans/ kapa/kapaqe/kapate/kapi karpa/ (arch. acc.) + karpa/te\ = fruit, and fruit, with fruit -or- kara PIE CARP:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/*kerp- *kerp- Proto-Indo-European root meaning “to gather, pluck, harvest.”

kapa=kai+pa =gather ;[and+ allshielded=armed,defend]

*pa- | Origin and meaning of root *pa- by Online Etymology …www.etymonline.com › word *pa-. *-, ProtoIndoEuropean root meaning “to protect, feed

man/soldier+ kapa= man/soldier +gather= army

wanax=ϝάναξ, fanax=foinix=blody,renown,voinicos=soldier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anax Anax (Greek: Ἄναξ; from earlier ϝάναξ, wánax) is an ancient Greek word for “tribal chief, lord, (military) leader”.[1] It is one of the two Greek titles traditionally translated as “king”, the other being basileus, and is inherited from Mycenaean Greece,

Download PDF – Brillbrill.com › downloadpdf › book8°Cited as a Sumerian loanword in Akkadian in SLOB, #410, p. 353. 81BDB, p. 31. … is misplaced. The fact that anak– designates a metal, tin, the range of its extra- … argument is his demonstration that “anaku, in value, was always between silver

Anaku (Akk):”I” wanax=wanaka-tero=strong-soldier eqeta=egeta lawaget


From Luwian hieroglyphic logograms https://omniglot.com/images/writing/luwian1.gif

Luwian hieroglyphic logograms

See “cross”

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-teros In Proto-Indo-European, X-teros meant “one which is especially X”, “one which is more X than other things”, “one which is X as opposed to something else”

nominative*-teros*-tereh₂
genitive*-terosyo*-tereh₂s

THE GENERAL VOCABULARY AND THE PROPER NAMES A …brill.com › book › Bej.9789004152816.i-526_010.xmlOur knowledge of Carian general vocabulary is unavoidably very lim- ited; we have … ‘to cross‘, ‘to pass’: in Anatolian ‘to overcome’, *térh2-u- from a. -u-present).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82#Ancient_Greek << Suffix -τερος  (-teros) m (feminine -τέρᾱneuter -τερον); first/second declension

  1. Used on adjectives that express some notion of contrast with an antonym quotations ▼
  2. Added to adjective stems to form comparative forms >> eugenrau: adding meaning “much,more”, adding a meaning to above discussed kai.

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