Arkeolojik açıdan, yaşı ne olursa olsun, kendine has özellikleri olan her arkeolojik yer bir medeniyettir, örn. Natufian, Vinca. Bir gönderiden: Tanrı ve Güneş: Göbekli Tepe’deki Yazı Robert M. Schoch, Catherine Ulissey ile.
<< Geleneksel tarihçiler ve arkeologlar, kişinin gerçek uygarlığı tanımlayabileceği üç ana ayırt edici özelliğe sıklıkla dikkat çekmiştir: 1) Anıtsal taş mimarisi, 2) Yerleşik kentsel (şehir) yaşamı ve 3) Yazı. Tarihöncesi genellikle bir toplumun okuryazar olmasıyla eşitlenir; herhangi bir yazılı kitabeleri veya kayıtları yoksa, o zaman gerçek bir kayıtlı tarihleri yoktur ve hem tarih öncesi hem de uygarlık öncesidirler. Ayrıca, geleneksel statüko düşüncesine göre, yazı ilk olarak MÖ 3000’den hemen önce Sümer ve Mısır’da icat edildi; bu nedenle, gerçek uygarlığın başlangıcını bu zamana kadar tarihlendirebiliriz. Ancak, 6000 yıldan fazla bir süre önce Kuzey Mezopotamya’da inanılmaz derecede sofistike Göbekli Tepe sitesini bulduk. Pek çok ana akım tarihçi, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşaatçılarına gerçek uygarlık etiketini uygulama konusunda tereddüt ediyor, ama neden? Anıtsal mimariye ve olası kentsel yerleşimlere rağmen, Göbekli Tepe’nin yaratıcılarına gerçek medeniyet unvanını inkar edecek olan araştırmacılar için en iyi argüman, görünüşe göre herhangi bir yazı biçimine sahip olmadıklarıdır (ya da öyleydi). Bununla birlikte, en son kanıtlar bu görüşü tamamen değiştirdi ve şüphecilerin bile medeniyetin kökenlerinin ne zaman ve nerede olduğunu yeniden düşünmesini talep ediyor.>>
Bu kriterle benim görüşüm Bay Schoch’unkiyle çelişiyor,
1) Anıtsal taş mimari, EVET 2) Yerleşik kent (şehir) yaşamı ve HAYIR (sadece hafif izler) 3) Yazı. HAYIR (yalnızca ilkel bir senaryo+işaret koleksiyonu, ilk yazma aşamasına ulaşmamış) Doğru değil Bay Schoch’un ifadesinin herhangi bir yazı biçimi yokmuş.
GENEL SONUÇ = Gerçek bir medeniyet değil. …..
Ancak çok ilginç bir şey buldum: << Şimdi, meslektaşım Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh’in öngörüsü sayesinde, Göbekli Tepe’de bulunan sembolik gösterim için potansiyel bir bağlam ve karşılaştırmaya sahibiz. Seyfzadeh’in belirttiği gibi, Göbekli Tepe’deki bazı semboller, bin yıl sonra aynı genel bölgede (modern Türkiye) kullanılan Anadolu Hiyerogliflerine (Luwian ve/veya Hitit Hiyeroglifleri olarak da anılır) oldukça benzerdir. Bu tamamen tesadüf mü? olmadığını düşünüyoruz. Gerçekten de Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri ile Göbekli Tepe sütunlarından bazılarına oyulmuş semboller arasındaki bazı önemli benzerliklere işaret eden teknik bir makale yayınladık (Manu Seyfzadeh ve Robert Schoch, Arkeolojik Keşif, Şubat 2019, cilt 7, sayfa 31-53). … Anadolu Hiyeroglif yazıtları genellikle MÖ ikinci ve erken birinci bin yıllara tarihlenir (çoğu MÖ 1300-900 arası döneme aittir). Bu, Göbekli Tepe’nin inşasından 8000 yıl veya daha fazla bir süre sonra, ancak Göbekli Tepe halkı tarafından kullanılan bir yazı sisteminin en azından parçalarının hayatta kaldığını ve bazı durumlarda çeşitli değişikliklerle Anadolu Hiyeroglifleri sistemine dahil edildiğini gösteren dikkate değer korelasyonlar var. – ki bu oldukça anlaşılır ve hatta bu kadar uzun bir zaman diliminde beklenen bir durumdur. >>
Onlar (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) bilmiyorlar, daha çok bilmiyormuş gibi yapıyorlar ve Göbekli Tepe’den nispeten fazla sayıda işaret (12-20?) gösterdiğim son araştırmamdan haberdar değiller, onları çok daha yakın buldum o döneme (2500 yıl daha yakın) Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işaretleri arasında.
Ve sütunların “T” işaretini, “Ben” proto-çiviyazısı işaretinin eşdeğerine sahip olarak tanımlamaktan gurur duyuyorum. İnsan, toplum hayatı, ilahi ilişki alanında karmaşık bir anlamı vardır.
….Ama sanırım önemli bir düzeltmeyle geri dönmem gerekiyor. Anladığım kadarıyla, (aslında başkaları da) toplumu, Göbekli Tepe toplulukları eşi görülmemiş düzeyde bir sistem ve organizasyona sahipti, sadece mevcut Çinli ve Almanlarla karşılaştırılabilir (ama çok ötesinde). : Mevcut işaretler göz önüne alındığında, yeryüzünde yok olana kadar insan türünün, ister “uygarlık” desek, ister “medeniyet” olarak tanımlasak da, ne derseniz deyin, böyle bir düzeye gelemeyecek gibi görünüyor.
From archaeological point of view, every archaeological place with own characteristics, not matter age is a civilisation, e.g. Natufian, Vinca. From a post: God and the Sun: The Writing at Göbekli Tepe By Robert M. Schoch, with Catherine Ulissey
<< Traditional historians and archaeologists have often pointed to three major distinguishing characteristics by which one can identify true civilization: 1) Monumental stone architecture, 2) Settled urban (city) life, and 3) Writing.Prehistoric is often equated with a society being pre-literate; if they do not have any written inscriptions or records, then they do not have a true recorded history and are both pre-historic and pre-civilized. Furthermore, according to conventional status quo thinking, writing was first invented just prior to around 3000 BCE in Sumer and Egypt; therefore, we can date the onset of true civilization to this time. However, over 6000 years earlier in Northern Mesopotamia we find the incredibly sophisticated site of Göbekli Tepe. Many mainstream historians are hesitant to apply the label of true civilizationto the builders of Göbekli Tepe, but why? Despite monumental architecture and possible urban settlements, the best argument, for those researchers who would deny the title of true civilization to the creators of Göbekli Tepe, is (or was) that they apparently did not have any form of writing. However, the latest evidence has completely changed this notion and demands that even the skeptics must rethink the when and where of the origins of civilization.>>
With this criteria, my opinion is contrary that of Mr. Schoch,
1) Monumental stone architecture, YES 2) Settled urban (city) life, and NO (only slight traces) 3) Writing. NO (only a rudimentary script+collection of signs, not reached proto-writing stage) Not accurate Mr. Schoch statement apparently did not have any form of writing.(e.g. proto-writing is a stage before true writing !)
OVERALL RESULT = Not a true civilisation. ….. But I found something very interesting: << Now, through the insight of my colleague, Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh, we do have a potential context and comparison for the symbolic notation found at Göbekli Tepe. As Dr. Seyfzadeh noted, some of the symbols at Göbekli Tepe are remarkably similar to the Anatolian Hieroglyphs (also referred to as Luwian and/or Hittite Hieroglyphs) used in the same general region (modern Turkey) millennia later. Is this purely coincidental? We think not. Indeed, we published a technical paper pointing out some major similarities between the Anatolian Hieroglyphs and the symbols carved on some of the Göbekli Tepe pillars (Manu Seyfzadeh and Robert Schoch, Archaeological Discovery, February 2019, volume 7, pages 31-53). … The Anatolian Hieroglyphic inscriptions generally date to the second and early first millennia BCE (with many from the period of circa 1300–900 BCE). This is 8000 years or more after the construction of Göbekli Tepe, yet there are remarkable correlations suggesting that at least fragments of a writing system used by the Göbekli Tepe people survived and were incorporated into the system of Anatolian Hieroglyphs, in some cases with various modifications – which is quite understandable, and even expected, over such a vast length of time. >>
They (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) do not know, rather they pretend not to know and are not aware from my recent research in which I showed that a relatively large number of signs (12-20?) from Gobekli Tepe, I found them much closer to that period, (with 2,500 years closer) among the Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs.
..But I think I need to come back with an essential correction. From what I begin to deduce, (in fact also others) society, the communities of Gobekli Tepe had a system and organization of an unprecedented level, comparable only (but far beyond) with the current Chinese and German.So the answer is rather this: Given the current signs, it seems likely that the human species will not reach such a level, whether we call it or define “civilization” or whatever you want, until its extinction on earth.
I must confess you, I studied sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, when made research regarding Tartaria tablets. I was stunned to see one sign, repeated three times, on one of Gobekli Tepe pillars (No.43).In my mind cannot conceal the presence of a later sumerian sign at a allmost 6.000 years time span back.( or reverse: presence of Gobekli Tepe symbols 6,000 years ahead from sumerian proto-writing) I sought that possible Gobekli Tepe site is not so old !?
Dating Gobekli Tepe: the evidence doesn’t support a PPNB date, but instead a possibly much later one Dimitrios S. Dendrinos Ph.D., MArchUD, DiplArchEng. Emeritus Professor, School Of Architecture and Urban Design, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA. In residence at Ormond Beach, Florida. Contact at: cbf-jf@earthlink.net September 19, 2016 https://www.plutorules.com/uploads/7/2/6/8/72681811/dating_gobekli_tepe_september_19_2016.pdf << Abstract The paper analyzes the evidence regarding the dating of the Gobekli Tepe complex. First, it examines the C14 dating information supplied by the archeologist in charge of the Gobekli Tepe excavation, Klaus Schmidt, and a number of others. This is claimed as evidence that Gobekli Tepe is of the at least PPNB period. The evidence they analyzed was obtained from both the fill, as well as from the plaster at the surface of certain Gobekli Tepe structures. The paper also examines the lithic based evidence regarding the fill at the site. Clear evidence that counters these claims is presented in this paper. Although the Gobekli Tepe site can be shown to be of much later construction date than PPPNB, the paper sets as a modest aim to show that the structures at GT so far analyzed are of a later than PPNB date. Evidence covering both C14 dating, as well as architectural, urban design, urban planning, demography and art evidence is offered to back this argument. Extensive use is made of architectural elements from PPNA Natufian settlements, as well as PPNA/B settlements Hallan Cemi and Jerf el-Ahmar.>>
Most of the scientists think symbols are representing bags.Were related to prosperty, good wealth and used in religious rituals such as purification and fertility, and containing water, polen or seeds. ======== There are 3 signs among sumerian proto-cuneiform ones, wich are very close to the shapes of that “handbags”, and which I would like to consider and examine: Ga2, DUB, and URUDU. ====== 1.FIRST SIGN. Proto-cuneiform sign GA2
I PAY ATTENTION TO THIS SIGN NOT DUE OF THE SHAPE, BUT BECAUSE MANY SCIENTIST ARE EXPECTING KIND OF CONTAINER, AS SEEN AND SPREAD IN MANY SCULPTURES/BASS-RELIEFS THROUGHOUT THE EARTH
I suppose that the sign on the pillar,along the time wasstilised, and become by sumerians sign Ga2 :
From Archaeology of Food: An Encyclopedia Karen Bescherer Metheny, Mary C. Beaudry file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”
Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at UCLA with … pisań(2/3), pisan(2/3): (open) basket; box, chest; frame
The sumerian word for basket, container, chest is : http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria 5 mai 2000 — The niftiest ‘Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary’ in the university world: … GA2 (ga2 / gá), mal, bisag / bisaĝ [ 704x] (pisan) = basket | [208x] … The wooden
http://www.academia.edu › Interpreting_J… (DOC) Interpreting John.A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … *gá: basket; house; stable (cf., gar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants] . ga – has the composition- ka- and the meaning-of the word iskukai-cave…
http://www.federatio.org › mi_biblPDF Etymological Dictionary of Hungarian (EDH) 22 ian. 2007 — to a relative small common Sumerian-Hungarian basis of … have always adhered to the Sumerian-Hungarian theory or … Sum. gá + gur … Sum. ga2 (pronounced nga) “I”
Proposal ; ZATU 751~b
From Handbags of the Gods.https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1132912/pg1?fbclid=IwAR29xOv15LmiBxatY8str-6lbz6KjGfrhL-urOIzGqPFnWfvw4ZQKFkZ2C8 <<… they could be made of sheep hide or wicker work or beads, have metal handles or wooden, but they held such symbolic importance that they were Deified having their own Temple. …. In discussing why this was so from the Hittite perspective i’ll illustrate this with images from Jiroft curiously enough, as that culture silent in terms of translated text i consider as having the best recovered artifacts relating to this cult, suggesting an earlier common source to that of the Hittites, that being very ancient, indeed Kursa being seen at Gobekli Tepe. … We can see then that the symbolic hand bag would have had association with life, vigor and longevity and the general well being of the land, at Jiroft i think one sees all aspects of this mythos in the context of grave goods were the bag illustrates the relationship of a Telipinu type hero illustrating his relationship to nature, the connectivity between the Eastern and Western horizons in terms of constellations seen mirrored, and the cosmological palace of the great Palace and the windows of the horizon, an edifice of three layers generally. >>
The notion of tablet or imprinting was not unknown for Gobekli Tepe’s people:
Collection of plaquettes bearing iconographic symbolism from Göbekli Tepe. (Photo: N. Becker, DAI)
You see, the idea of knowledge received from ancestors or from heaven, sky divine beings is very old through-out the World, and sure preceded writing. Thus divine knowledge was before smelting metals discovery, the second sign in my opinion is a little newer than those on the pillar. DUB is known, DUBSAR:”scribe” (DUB/(clay)tablet-SAR/write,writer) But the initial old meaning is to imprint and to seal, because seals preceded writing.
http://new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html << – Sum. dub ‘tablet‘, dubsar ‘scribe’ (‘tablet-writer’), dub ‘to push away, down; to smash, abolish’ (Akkadian translation), ‘to hammer’ (Civil’s Glossary), -Today I give the proposal based on Arams Suggestions: Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type – Old Persian dipi- ‘writing’ is considered as coming from Elamite tippi, more ancient tuppi, supposed to be an evolution of Sum. dub itself. But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘. >> You see, the shape of DUB is like of a portable handle-seal or stamp, see curved handle.
So the handbags are containing tablets wich carry divine knowledge, “the tablets of destiny”
From Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(…In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtarra; Akkadian: ṭup šīmātu, ṭuppi šīmāti) was envisaged as a clay tablet
From Nimrud – Ninurta, Sumerian god – Pinteresthttps://www.pinterest.com › … › Egypt… Sumerian god of the plough attacks Anzu to regain the stolen Tablets of Destinies. … Inside The Anunnaki Purse
Those handbags, tablets of destinies have in common the idea of divine decree, destiny
Me (mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) << In Sumerian mythology, a me (𒈨; Sumerian: me; Akkadian: parsu) is one of the decrees of the divine that is foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies, behaviors, mores, and human conditions that make civilization, as the Sumerians understood it, possible. They are fundamental to the Sumerian understanding of the relationship between humanity and the gods. …. The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers, beginning with his own city of Eridu and continuing with Ur, Meluhha, and Dilmun. …. The Sumerian tablets never actually describe what any of the mes look like, but they are clearly represented by physical objects of some sort.>>
Ultimately, both mainstream Historians and Ancient Astronaut Theorists agree that the Anunnaki carried MEs in their purses.What is not clear is the exact nature of these devices which are only described as ‘splendid’ in the Sumerian Texts.However, if we consider what MEs were used for, and what they helped to accomplish in the Sumerian Civilization, then its possible that they were some kind of advanced database or computation device that was used by the advanced Race of Ancient Astronaut Alien Beings called the Anunnaki that established Civilization on Earth.
The Last Apkalllu | Sumerian Arthttps://sumerians.creator-spring.com › listing › the-last-…The Apkallu (Akkadian) or Abgal (Sumerian), are seven Sumeriansages
Apkallu – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Apkallu <<Apkallu (Akkadian) and Abgal (Sumerian:𒉣𒈨 ) are terms found in cuneiform inscriptions that in general mean either “wise” or “sage”.>>
Mario Brun – Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to… | Facebookhttps://ne-np.facebook.com › posts· Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to protect a household, figures would be buried beneath the floor in groups of seven.
(PDF) The God Enki in Sumerian Royal Ideology and Mythologyhttps://www.researchgate.net › … › Mythologyand mythological meaning of the term me: V. Emelianov, Calendar Ritual in Sumerian. Religion and Culture (ME’s and the Spring Festivals) (2009)
========= very interesting =========
Shape T of pillars= sumerian proto-cuneiform sign Me :”Divine powers, divine decree,…”( and others ) On wich we have three symbols (“marks,seals, tablets” ?) so maybe three tablets. In fact three sets of tablets of destinies. Maybe every of (3?) tribes received his set of instructions (see different animals relating to each tribe)
IT IS ABSOLUTELY WEIRD THAT PROTO-CUNEIFORM SIGN DUB “TABLET”HAS CLOSE SHAPE WITH THAT OF BAG/CONTAINER/BASKET …AND BESIDE BASKET SIGN IS ALSO HOUSE! :
Of course metals were not present at Gobekli Tepe, at least in the LAYER II time/9,000 B.C. By sumerians appeared later. Interpretation of John. A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … – NanoPDFhttps://nanopdf.com › download › interpreation-of-j…PDF <<urudu, uruda, urud: copper; metal (ùru, ‘luminous object‘, + dù, ‘to mould, cast’) [URUDU archaic frequency: 61; concatenates 3 sign variants] >> …..Metals are generally luminous (except iron, lead?)
After documenting, I got a clear image and could advance a hypothesis on the origin, evolution and meaning of so called “handbag” sign. Surprisingly is not the fact that the symbol is very old and oripginated at Gobekli Tepe, but the fact that the first ordinary meaning is near identical to bag. In fact it seems that was a hunting bag, and not at all an ordinary one. but used in religios-related rituals and was as much sacred that at the hittites there was also a God with the name Kursa:”hunting bag”/”breastplate-shield”?
https://www.academia.edu › The_m… The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. He remarked that, in Sumerian, the bird is the sign for fate and destiny
The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. Joost Blasweiler https://www.academia.edu/4853772/The_mother_of_the_hunting_god_and_a_kursa_on_the_eya_tree << The scholar Maciej Popko stated in his dissertation of 1978 that the kursa (the fleece) played animportant role in religion and many old Hittite festivals. The kursa was a sacral attribute and was offered as a representative of a god.Popko explained how the Hittite kursa, a bag of leather … … Some texts indicate that the kursa could have also be in the form of a shield or a cloth. It is then a cult symbol, which stands next to the sacral container with 20 arrows. Popkoremarked that there is a possibility that the kursa was not a shield but a skin, a fleece, which protected the arrow container.>> See in the extreme right a bag is hunging from stylized (eya) tree
————————————————— I was impressed at what extent spread this symbol, and in how many cultures.Evidence is the presence in so many places. Probably the Gobekli Tepe symbol had complex meaning, beside bag, basket container having also that of house and impression, inprinting. The root DUB is present in IE languages ast the root Typ, greek typos> tipografy, to type.
Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection – New …http://new-indology.blogspot.com › 2015/05 › sumeria…May 2, 2015 — Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type etc, compare Akkadian tup Persian dabir/dapir, Arm ..
The rootdub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘, make me to think that on the pillar they wanted to stamp,impress leave the mark of the main tribes, as near every symbol was a different animal (TOTEM !)
The evidence of meaning “impress,tablet” are the tablets with signs found at Gobekli Tepe, and the shape of proto-cuneiform sign “DUB” . For the meaning “house” the evidence is the close shape of GA2 sign, of course modified, stilised in passing thousend years, toward vedged-cuneiform.
—————– Not one scientist, but many hypothesised that those symbols could signify houses:
(PDF) So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of …https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 25956191…Sep 24, 2015 — Relief on pillar 43 in structure D. Note the “box-like” objects near the … One possible interpretation of these objects is as houses with …
Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth’s Lost …https://books.google.ro › booksGraham Hancock · 2015 · HistoryFigure 52: Astronomer Giulio Magli notes of Pillar 43 at Göbekli Tepe (right) that the ‘bags’ in the top register are similar to the ‘houses in the sky‘ …
Gobekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods: The Temple of the …https://books.google.ro › booksAndrew Collins · 2014 · Body, Mind & SpiritOn Pillar 43’s western face are three vultures, one of which is a juvenile. … are most likely animal pens or houses, situated on what could be the edge of
From So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of Temples in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic of the Near East
YOU SEE, IT SEEMS THAT FROM THAT CONCRETE SYMBOL ON THE PILLAR, APPARENTLY DERIVED IN THE COURSE OF TIME OTHER CLOSE SHAPED SIGNS WITH THE MEANINGS: GA2: “HOUSE” ; “BASKET” > Hitt.Kursa, “hunting bag ?” (At Gobekli Tepe, there was any Gucci yet, so rather baskets) DUB:”STAMP, IMPRESS,TABLET” URUDU:”COPPER” (much later)
In my opinion, at Gobekli Tepe were sacred symbols, wich represented SACRED BASKETS/HANDBAGS USED IN RELIGIOUS RITUALS IN THE SAME WAY AS HITTITE USED CURSAS.
Today I had a revelation: It is not by chance that Vulture stone/pillar 43 has on it depicted in the same time the bags and a lot of birds.Birds are later sumerian Apkallu=”wise,sage” (… these figurines include fish-man hybrids representing the seven sages, but also include bird-headed and other figures.) and Anzu birds. An mean sky and zu wisdom intelligence, so wisdom and knowledge from sky. From Wikipedia:”AN.ZU could therefore mean simply “heavenly eagle” Also I learned that close around shifting North Pole there were those many bird-constellations.Probably as at siberian hunter-gatherers, the north pole was the channel used by shamans to comunicate with the Other World From Axis Mundi Wikipedia: 《A common shamanic concept, and a universally told story, is that of the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world.》
The Abzu or ApsuSumerian: engur; lit., ab=’water‘ zu=’deep‘, The pictogram for ‘zu’ is a full measuring cup and means knowledge, scholar, wisdom. The pictogram for ‘ab’ is a house, or a thatched hut, meaning father, house-father. Thus, Abzu, actually Zuab, means ‘All-knowingFather‘>>
If Apkallu has the shape of a fish, or AbZu coming from deep or is bird AnZu coming from sky they have in common Zu=knowledge, wisdom.
If Gobekli Tepe’s people had cult of ancestors, then make sense that sumerians continued to have also the cult of Abzu:”all knowing father” wich carry in handbag exactly what wich knows, knowledge.
Doing my research regarding Gobekli Tepe site ,I cannot explain why some things especially symbols and signs are so close related to that sumerian ones.
Despite great time span between this civilisations of 6,000 years,(from 9,600/Gobekli to 3,600/sumerian).I not comprehend how cultural achievent (symbols and marks) have been continously transmitted from generation to generation such a long time. As knowing well sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, I was shocked finding some of them at Gobekli Tepe. There are many of them, e.g. those handbags,sign T,sign H, and so on. In my mind aroused a quick explanation, as Gobekli Tepe not beeing so old or was in contact /visited by (proto?) sumerians a long time period. Very interesting, as allmost all scientists are for very old dates (level III, beginning at PPNA)
https://www.researchgate.net › 3189…(PDF) Gobekli Tepe, Tell Qaramel, Tell Es-Sultan – Research Gate — 10th millennium BC PPNA down to the 7th millennium BC late PPNB
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352881173_MORE_ON_CARBON-14_EVIDENCE_AND_GOBEKLI_TEPE Another same opinion: https://such.forumotion.com/t9998-to-the-archaeologically-curious-a-comment-on-the-ancient-gobekli-tepe-in-turkey 《Furthermore, since the site (“temples” for example ) at GT required cutting and shaping of huge stone pillars etc. (weighing in tons, as much as 50 tons), that type of enormous task would not have been carried out by builders without the help of metallic tools (made from copper, bronze or iron etc.) or at least until 5000 BC (7000 years ago) when humans first learnt the use of metals (or perhaps even as late as 4000 BC when the use of metallic tools became common). Thus the GT site, rather than being of a Pre Pottery Neolithic era, appears to be much younger, belonging probably to the post-metallic age and coming after 4000 BC (perhaps even as late as 1900 BC, after making corrections to the apparent radiocarbon date of 10000 BC).》
https://www.eupedia.com › index.phpAncient Egyptian dna-Kraus et al [Archive] – Eupedia Forum –Natufian comprises basal European ancestry and the Neolithic expansion with megalithic
========== – I will be not happier if the site is in reality younger. – On some points, Mr.Dendrinos is right (what samples were age-determined, comparison with other Natufian sites) – If wonder why not found pottery: https://such.forumotion.com/t9998-to-the-archaeologically-curious-a-comment-on-the-ancient-gobekli-tepe-in-turkey 《Considering humans have used pottery (including clay pots and pans) since prehistoric times (well before 15000 BC), the association with PPN for GT (with questionable radiocarbon date 10000 BC) is quite preposterous 》 – Gobekli Tepe society was at least as highly organised as that sumerian, (taking account how much earlier was). -As sumerians received sets of divine decrees, sets of Me, possible hunter-gatherers tribes received also sets of instructions. – Gobekli Tepe was later Du–Ku “sacred mound” ! – Gobekli saman was later Ur-Bau, Ur-Meme, divine-healer goddess Gula ? – Periodically Gobekli gatherings for keeping fertility feasts and festivals continued with annual sumerian festivals.
https://second.wiki › wikiArchaic Spirituality in Systematized Religions – second.wiki 《The most original cult forms of the pre-Hittite period, in which Semitic and Indo-European populations mixed, were found in Göbekli Tepe in southern Anatolia and in Çatalhöyük》
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languages 《The hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period.
The Sumerian and Etruscan languages, usually regarded as language isolates, are thought by some to be Nostratic languages as well. Others, however, consider one or both to be members of another macrofamily called Dené–Caucasian.》 ========== https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture 《The view that the Natufians spoke an Afroasiatic language is accepted by Vitaly Shevoroshkin. Alexander Militarev and others have argued that the Natufian may represent the culture that spoke the proto-Afroasiatic language, which he in turn believes has a Eurasian origin associated with the concept of Nostratic languages. The possibility of Natufians speaking proto-Afroasiatic, and that the language was introduced into Africa from the Levant, is approved by Colin Renfrew with caution, as a possible hypothesis for proto-Afro-Asiatic dispersal. .. Within this group, Ehret, who like Militarev believes Afroasiatic may already have been in existence in the Natufian period, would associate Natufians only with the Near Eastern pre-proto-Semitic branch of Afroasiatic 》
========= I.E. and sumerian, originated not in the same place, but close one of another ? E.g. I.E. in Central Turkey and Sumerian in South- Eastern Turkey ?https://images.app.goo.gl/rXfMfxBGokP3AazL7
=== Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family === REMCO BOUCKAERTPHILIPPE LEMEYMICHAEL DUNNSIMON J. GREENHILLALEXANDER V. ALEKSEYENKOALEXEI J. DRUMMONDRUSSELL D. GRAYMARC A. SUCHARDAND QUENTIN D. ATKINSON https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1219669?doi=10.1126/science.1219669A Family of Languages English is part of the large Indo-European language family, which includes Celtic, Germanic, Italic, Balto-Slavic, and Indo-Iranian languages. The origin of this family is hotly debated: one hypothesis places the origin north of the Caspian Sea in the Pontic steppes, from where it was disseminated by Kurgan semi-nomadic pastoralists; a second suggests that Anatolia, in modern-day Turkey, is the source, and the language radiated with the spread of agriculture. Bouckaert et al. (p. 957) used phylogenetic methods and modeling to assess the geographical spread of the Indo-European language group. The findings support the suggestion that the origin of the language family was indeed Anatolia 7 to 10 thousand years ago—contemporaneous with the spread of agriculture. Abstract There are two competing hypotheses for the origin of the Indo-European language family. The conventional view places the homeland in the Pontic steppes about 6000 years ago. An alternative hypothesis claims that the languages spread from Anatolia with the expansion of farming 8000 to 9500 years ago. We used Bayesian phylogeographic approaches, together with basic vocabulary data from 103 ancient and contemporary Indo-European languages, to explicitly model the expansion of the family and test these hypotheses. We found decisive support for an Anatolian origin over a steppe origin. Both the inferred timing and root location of the Indo-European language trees fit with an agricultural expansion from Anatolia beginning 8000 to 9500 years ago. These results highlight the critical role that phylogeographic inference can play in resolving debates about human prehistory.
The majority view in historical linguistics is that the homeland of the Indo-European language family was located in the Pontic steppes (present day Ukraine) around 6000 years ago. The evidence for this comes from linguistic paleontology: in particular, certain words to do with the technology of wheeled vehicles are arguably present across all the branches of the Indo-European family; and archaeology tells us that wheeled vehicles arose no earlier than this date. The minority view links the origins of Indo-European with the spread of farming from Anatolia 8000-9500 years ago. The minority view is decisively supported by the present analysis in this week’s Science. This analysis combines a model of theevolution of the lexicons of individual languages with an explicit spatial model of the dispersal of the speakers of those languages.》
<<This note follows up on the conclusions at the end of my 1996 paper on “The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process”.
After the proto-Sumerians made the conceptual breakthrough of mapping important things in the world to vocalic symbols, i.e., inventing spoken language, the concept spread to other nearby cultures.
Archaeologists now describe the very early megalithic temple site of Göbekli Tepe in south-eastern Turkey/Anatolia as an important supra-regional pilgrimage site, whose “rich and varied material culture suggests its visitation by peoples from three distinct cultural regions: Upper Mesopotamia, the Zagros and the southern Levant” (where proto-Sumerian arose to the east in the Zagros mountains and proto-Semitic arose down in the southern Levant). “Research indicates the site was created by hunter-gatherers, rather than farmers, who came from across a large area to build and then visit the site for religious purposes.” In an informative program for the National Geographic Channel called Cradle of the Gods, archaeologist Dr. Jeff Rose devoted an hour to exploring what the site of Göbekli Tepe might have been used for and where its builders might have lived.
In parallel with the archaeology, language studies are increasingly indicating that it was these same inhabitants of southeastern Anatolia who created and perfected the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) language, the ancestor of English, Russian, Sanskrit, Persian, Latin, Greek, Hittite, Armenian, Kurdish, etc. According to an article in the August 23, 2012 issue of the journal Science, an evolutionary biologist, Quentin Atkinson of the University of Auckland in New Zealand, and a large international team have adapted a technique normally used to study the evolution and spread of disease (Bayesian phylogeographic analysis) to analyze the existing vocabulary and geographical range of 103 Indo-European languages and computationally walk them back in time and place to their statistically most likely origin. The result is that “we found decisive support for an Anatolian origin over a steppe origin.” Both the timing and the root of the tree of Indo-European languages “fit with an agricultural expansion from Anatolia beginning 8,000 to 9,500 years ago“.
The creators of PIE did not originate the concept of spoken mouth gestures for communication, but living at the center of a vibrant multi-cultural community, they probably had extensive experience in communicating using bodily gestures. They applied that background to develop what in effect was an improved Language 2.0, versions of which then spread far and wide from the Göbekli Tepe pilgrimage site.
In an episode of the TV sit-com Two and a Half Men from 2003, Jon Cryer’s character Alan says, “I mean, why doesn’t anyone speak Sumerian anymore?” Compared to the other languages that it inspired, Sumerian had a more primitive design structure. You might as well ask why computer programmers no longer write code directly in machine assembly language, preferring instead one of the more modern high-level programming languages, which are conceptually flexible and user-friendly.Notes
R. Bouckaert, P. Lemey, M. Dunn, S. J. Greenhill, A. V. Alekseyenko, A. J. Drummond, R. D. Gray, M. A. Suchard, Q. D. Atkinson. “Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language Family”. Science, 2012; 337 (6097): 957 DOI: 10.1126/science.1219669 >>
Ancient DNA available from this time in Anatolia shows no evidence of steppe ancestry similar to that in the Yamnaya (although the evidence here is circumstantial as no ancient DNA from the Hittites themselves has yet been published). This suggests to me that the most likely location of the population that first spoke an Indo-European language was south of the Caucasus Mountains, perhaps in present-day Iran or Armenia, because ancient DNA from people who lived there matches what we would expect for a source population both for the Yamnaya and for ancient Anatolians. If this scenario is right the population sent one branch up into the steppe-mixing with steppe hunter-gatherers in a one-to-one ratio to become the Yamnaya as described earlier- and another to Anatolia to found the ancestors of people there who spoke languages such as Hittite.
eugenrau: Armenia Turkey Iran ….rather than Steppes From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Euphratean_language 《Proto-Euphratean is a hypothetical unclassified language or languages which was considered by some Assyriologists (for example, Samuel Noah Kramer) to be the substratum language of the people who introduced farming into Southern Iraq in the Early Ubaid period (5300-4700 BC). …. A related proposal by Gordon Whittaker[3] is that the language of the proto-literary texts from the Late Uruk period (c. 3350–3100 BC) is an early Indo-European language that he terms “Euphratic“.》
The Urheimat of the Nostratic Languages Valentin Stetsyuk https://www.v-stetsyuk.name/en/Alterling/Nostratic.html 《The later speakers of this parent language could move to other places, but there was the ancestral home of their descendants. H.Birnbaum expressed this most accurately: And probably, if the main spreading space of the Nostratic language – as intended – should be really identified with the South Caucasus, the eastern (and southern) Anatolia and upper course of the Tigris and Euphrates, it is natural to assume that the later areas of the spread of the Proto-Indo-European language was closer to the Black Sea – the Pontic steppe areas in northern and western Anatolia…(BIRNBAUM H. 1993: 16)》 ======= Eurasiatic > prot.-Afro-Asiatic > (prot.)-Sumerian From same Eurasiatic >Anatolian- I.European
Kültürler ve medeniyetler alanında aktarım olgusu bilinmektedir. Örneğin, Neolitik çağın veya tarımın Orta Doğu’dan Avrupa’ya geçişi. Bu demik ve/veya kültürel olarak ortaya çıkabilir. Burada ikisiyle de uğraşıyoruz. ——— Önceki gönderilerde, sütunların yapımında kullanılan kutsal sembol T’nin anlamı ile ilgili bir hipotez ileri sürdüm. Özetle, esas olarak şunlara güvendim: – Sümer işareti T’nin daha sonra kabulü: “Ben”. Karmaşık bir anlamı vardı, İnanna ve Enki Mitinde ME Listesi – Angelfirehttps://www.angelfire.com › tintirbabylon › ME <> Rus araştırmacı V.V.’nin çıkardığı etimolojiye güvendim. Emelianov, yani “yaşama iradesi” – Göbekli Tepe nüfusunun olduğu dinin gelişme aşamasının paganizm olduğu gerçeği. Paganizm büyük ölçüde doğaya tapınma anlamına gelir. ekliyorum ve hayat. – Yukarıdakiler göz önüne alındığında, T sembolü için önerdiğim anlam “HAYATIN RUHU”dur. Umarım, daha sonra tapınakların ve kiliselerin Rab’bin meskeni olduğu gibi, T sütununun, içinde yaşam ruhuna sahip olduğu tapınak olduğu belirtimi ile geri dönmeye gerek yoktur. ————————————— ————– The T sign is found in a more or less close form in different areas, with meanings related to life:
— ME olarak adlandırılır ve şu değerleri temsil eder: išib, ma ve me — Sümer dilinde “olmak” fiilinin köküdür. Tek başına veya ME işaretiyle birlikte yazılan logografik kelimeler ve bileşikler, “varlık” kavramı, yani bir şeyin doğuştan gelen özü ile ilgilidir.>>
Ben (mitoloji) – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mitoloji)Sümer mitolojisinde, bir ben bu sosyal kurumların, dini uygulamaların, teknolojilerin temelini oluşturan ilahi hükümlerden biridir.
The Mes…Antik Sümer Planları … – Okar Research http://balkhandshambhala.blogspot.com › 2013/09 › th…8 Eylül 2013 — “Mes, medeniyetin planları olan belgeler veya tabletlerdi
Somut Bir Nesne Olarak Sümer Ben – De Gruyterhttps://www.degruyter.com › aofo.1997.24.2.211 › pdf, J KLEIN · 1997 · 13 tarafından alıntılanmıştır — ben “olmak”2 fiili, temel anlamı ile: “öz”, yani “bir şeyin ilahi olarak belirlenmiş özü” veya “bir şeyin ne olması gerektiği”
https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm << ben, mì; e: n., işlev, ofis, sorumluluk; ideal norm; bir tanrının gücünün olağanüstü alanı; ilahi hüküm, kehanet; kült. v. olmak; Sümer kopulası; söylemek, anlatmak. eki, bizim. ben3,6,7,9: savaş. me6: hareket etmek, davranmak. >>
Nostratik Makro Ailesi (Indo’ya özel referansla …https://www.tandfonline.com › doi › pdfby AR Bomhard · 1992 · Alıntı 66 — Hint-Avrupa (IE) karşılaştırmasının en eski günlerinden … Proto-Uralik *ben 1. tekil şahıs şahıs zamiri kökü: ‘1, ben’:
2 MISIR
Ankh işareti hayatın tüm çirkinliklerinde farklı anlamlar taşır, örneğin “SONSUZ YAŞAM”. Döngünün sonsuzluğu ve çapraz hayatınızı temsil edeceğini buldum. Aslında döngünün ek bir ikincil anlamı olabilir ve T işaretinin bir tutamacı olabilir. Https://store.signsofspirit.com/ankh-egyptian-eternal-life- Ancient-septre-of-the-firavun-tau /? fbclid = IwAR09urjMxPmABFsZZmcUPwTUpYRUPhcYkS_n9YWPQFBmkJhjzYAxE3cQEec << Ebedi Yaşamın Mısır hiyeroglifi, Eylül’ün Che’si, F, N ve Che’nin N ve Che’si olarak bilinir, Bu sembol veya “hayatınızın” çaprazını birleştiren “sonsuzluğu” ve dişil enerjiyi temsil eden döngü veya daire ile eril enerji. >> also in Egypt, this could be a gate to future life:
Her şeyden önce, Tha, tüm varlıkların doğal olarak oluştuğu, içsel yasalarla gelişen ilkel kalıp olan Sözü veya kozmik Yasayı (Khy) ürettiğini ifade eder. Erkekler için aydınlanma, Tha Yasasının anlaşılmasına karşılık gelir. Tha, yaratılışında her yerde mevcuttur (pıhtılaşma); Adıge kozmolojik metinlerine göre “ruhu uzaya dağılmıştır”.>>
Açıklıkların T şeklinden başka ortak noktaları olup olmadığını merak ediyorsunuz. Daha önceki yazılarımda M.Ö. 9500-8.000 yıllarında varsayımımı açıklamıştım. orada, Göbekli Tepe’de insanlar pagan evresindeydiler, insan figürlerini/insan gövdelerini andıran T sütunları, aslında hayatın ruhlarını simgeliyordu. Ruhların genellikle somut bir şekli yoktur ve yoktur, bu T-şekli bir stilizasyondur, özdür. Görünüşe göre ataların ruhlarının T-şekli diğer kültürlere yayılmış. Diğer dünyaya geçmek için ruhların bir açıklığa, geçide ihtiyacı vardı ve mantıksal olarak kapının aynı şekle sahip olması gerekirdi. Bu benim hipotezim olurdu. Tabii ki, herhangi birine sorması gerekir (ve tam bir destek için tercih ederdim): – Neden diğer kısımlarda (T açıklığının olduğu yerlerde) yaşamın ruhları (veya ne olacak) T şeklinde görünmüyor? ve – Anadolu’da neden T-açıklığımız yok?
In the field of cultures and civilizations, the phenomenon of transmission is known. For example, the transmission of the Neolithic or agriculture from the Middle East to Europe. This can occur demically and / or culturally. Here we are dealing with both. ——— In the previous posts I advanced a hypothesis regarding the meaning of the sacred symbol T used in the construction of the pillars. In summary, I relied mainly on: – the subsequent acceptance of the Sumerian sign T: “Me”. It had a complex meaning, The List of MEs in the Myth of Inanna and Enki – Angelfirehttps://www.angelfire.com › tintirbabylon › ME <<ME is a Sumerian word (probably pronounced “May”) that has no exact English equivalent >> – I relied on the etymology deduced by the Russian researcher V.V. Emelyanov, namely the “will to live” – the fact that the stage of development of the religion in which the population of Gobekli Tepe was was that of paganism. Paganism largely means the worship of nature. I add, and life. – Given the above, the meaning I proposed for the symbol T is “THE SPIRIT OF LIFE”. I hope that it is no longer necessary to return with the specification that the T pillar was the temple, in which the abode had the spirit of life, similar to how later the temples and churches are the Lord’s abode. ————– The T sign is found in a more or less close form in different areas, with meanings related to life:
— called ME and representing the values: išib, ma, and me — is the root of the verb “to be” in the Sumerian language. Logographic words and compounds, written alone or in conjunction with the ME-sign, deal with the concept of “being,” i.e. a thing’s innate essence.>>
Me (mythology) – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Me_(mythology)In Sumerian mythology, a me is one of the decrees of the divine that is foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies The Mes…Ancient Sumerian Blueprints to … – Okar Researchhttp://balkhandshambhala.blogspot.com › 2013/09 › th…Sep 8, 2013 — “The Mes were documents or tablets which were blueprints to civilization The Sumerian me as a Concrete Object – De Gruyterhttps://www.degruyter.com › aofo.1997.24.2.211 › pdf by J KLEIN · 1997 · Cited by 13 — the verb me “to be“,2 with the basic meaning: “essence,” i.e. “a thing’s divine- ly ordained essence,” or “what a thing should be From https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm << me, mì; e: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell.poss. suffix, our. me3,6,7,9: battle. me6: to act, behave. >> The Nostratic Macrofamily (with special reference to Indo …https://www.tandfonline.com › doi › pdfby AR Bomhard · 1992 · Cited by 66 — From the very earliest days of Indo–European (IE) comparative … Proto-Uralic *me 1st person sg. personal pronoun stem: ‘1, me‘: Hardly could be explained a continous transmission 6 000 years through generations (from 9,600 to 3,600 B.C.), but possible if the site could be not so old: From https://www.researchgate.net › 3174…(PDF) Dating Gobekli Tepe – ResearchGate — Dating Gobekli Tepe: the evidence doesn’t support a PPNB date, but instead a possibly much later one. Dimitrios S. Dendrinos Ph.D.,
2 EGYPT The sign Ankh has different meanings all in the ugliness of life, for example “ETERNAL LIFE”. I found that the loop would represent eternity and your cross life. In fact the loop can have an additional secondary meaning and can be a handle of the T sign. Https://store.signsofspirit.com/ankh-egyptian-eternal-life- ancient-septre-of-the-pharaoh-tau /? fbclid = IwAR09urjMxPmABFsZZmcUPwTUpYRUPhcYkS_n9YWPQFBmkJhjzYAxE3cQEec << Egyptian hieroglyph of the Eternal Life, known as the Che of the Sept, N and Che of the F, N and Che, This symbol combines “yours” or the T-shaped cross, which means “life” and masculine energy, with the loop or circle representing “eternity” and feminine energy. >>
also in Egypt, this could be a gate to future life:
First of all, Tha expresses himself generating the Word or cosmic Law (Khy), the primordial pattern from which all the beings form naturally, developing by internal laws. Enlightenment for men corresponds to an understanding of Tha’s Law. Tha is omnipresent in his creation (coagulation); according to Adyghe cosmological texts, “his spirit is scattered throughout space”.>>
You wonder if the openings may have anything in common other than the T-shape. In my previous posts I explained my assumption that at 9,500-8,000 B.C. people there, at Gobekli Tepe were in the pagan phase, the T-pillars resembling human figures/human trunks, signified in fact the spirits of life. Spirits generally did not have and do not have a concrete shape, this T-shape being a stylization, essence. Well, it seems that the T-shape of the ancestral spirits spread to other cultures. To pass to the other world the spirits needed an opening, passage, and logically it would be that the gate had the same shape. This would be my hypothesis. Of course anyone it is ustified to ask, (and I would have preferred for a full support): – Why do not appear in other parts (where we have T openings) the spirits of life (or what will be) T-shaped? and – Why don’t we have T-openings in Anatolia?
In domeniul culturilor si civilizatiilor este cunoscut fenomenul transmisiei.Exemplu, transmisia neoliticului sau agriculturii din Orientul Apropiat in Europa.Aceasta se poate produce pe cale demica si/sau culturala.Aici avem de-a face cu ambele. ————————- In postarile precedente am avansat o ipoteza privind semnificatia simbolului sacru T folosit in constructia pilonilor. In rezumat, m-am bazat in principal pe: – acceptia ulterioara a semnului sumerian T:”Me”.Acesta avea o semnificatie complexa,
The List of MEs in the Myth of Inanna and Enki – Angelfirehttps://www.angelfire.com › tintirbabylon › ME << ME este un cuvânt sumerian (probabil pronunțat „mai”) care nu are un singur echivalent în engleză exact >>
– Eu m-am sprijinit pe etimologia dedusa de cercetatorul rus V.V. Emelyanov si anume “vointade a trai“ – faptul ca etapa de dezvoltare a religiei in care se afla populatia de la Gobekli Tepe era aceea de paganism. Paganismul inseamna in mare venerarea naturii. Adaug eu, si a vietii. – Avand in vedere cele de mai sus, semnificatia propusa de mine pentru simbolul T este “SPIRITUL VIETII“.
Sper ca nu mai este necesar sa revin cu precizarea ca pilonul T era templul, in care isi avea salasul spiritul vietii, asemanator cum ulterior templele si bisericile sunt lacasul Domnului. —————– Semnul T se regaseste sub o forma mai mult sau mai putin apropiata in diferite arii, avand semnificatii legate de viata:
— called ME and representing the values: išib, ma, and me — is the root of the verb “to be” in the Sumerian language. Logographic words and compounds, written alone or in conjunction with the ME-sign, deal with the concept of “being,” i.e. a thing’s innate essence.>>
https://www.sumerian.org/prot-sum.htm << me, mì; e: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell.poss. suffix, our. me3,6,7,9: battle. me6: to act, behave. >>
Este extrem de greu de explicata transmisia din generatievin generatie timp de 6.000 de ani a unor simboluri (de la 9.600 la 3.600 I.E.N.) Insa s-ar putea cumva explica dacacsitulnnu este chiar asa vechi, cum mi-actrecut mie prin cap si cum de exemplu se sustine aici
https://www.researchgate.net › 3174…(PDF) Dating Gobekli Tepe – Research Gate – Dating Gobekli Tepe: the evidence doesn’t supporta PPNB date, but instead a possibly much later one. Dimitrios S. Dendrinos Ph.D.,
EGIPT Semnul Ankh are diferite semnificatii toate in urul vietii, exemplu “VIATA VESNICA”. Am gasit ca bucla ar reprezenta vesnicia iar crucea tau viata.De fapt bucla poate avea o semnificatie de ordin secundar in plus putand fi un maner al semnului T. https://store.signsofspirit.com/ankh-egyptian-eternal-life-ancient-septre-of-the-pharaoh-tau/?fbclid=IwAR09urjMxPmABFsZZmcUPwTUpYRUPhcYkS_n9YWPQFBmkJhjzYAxE3cQEec << Hieroglifă egipteană a Vieții Eterne, cunoscută și sub numele de Septra Antică a Faraonului, cheia vieții, cheia Nilului sau crux ansata. Acest simbol combină „tau” sau crucea în formă de T, care înseamnă „viață” și energia masculină, cu bucla sau cercul care reprezintă „eternitatea” și energia feminină. >>
https://www.ancient-symbols.com/symbols-directory/tau.html << The ancient Greek considered Tau to be symbolic of life and resurrection, while ‘theta’, the 8th letter of the alphabet was used to denote death. In ancient Egypt, the Tau symbol was thought to represent a phallus and was also regarded as the marker for holy waters. Ancient mythology associates the symbol with the Greek deity Attis and the Roman god Mithra or Mithras.>>
MENORCA, SPANIA
Taulas of Menorca. The Torralba d’en Salort. Image: Historic Mysteries.
wikipedia: Arheologul Michael Hoskin a sugerat ca taulele ar fi putut fi parte a unui vechi cult de vindecare. In acest sens putem asocia desigur vindecarea cu viata.
În primul rând, Tha se exprimă pe sine generând Cuvântul sau Legea cosmică (Khy), tiparul primordial din care se formează în mod natural toate ființele, dezvoltându-se prin legi interne. Iluminarea pentru oameni corespunde unei înțelegeri a Legii lui Tha. Tha este omniprezent în creația sa (coagulare); conform textelor cosmologice adyghe, „spiritul său este împrăștiat în spațiu” >> ======= I P O T E Z A =======
USI, PORTI cu forma T
Am intalnit in Egipt si la Civilizatiile precolumbiene deschizaturi ori intrari in temple in forma de T. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/t-shaped-doorways.html
Va intrebati daca deschiderile pot avea ceva in comun inafara de forma T. In postarile mele anterioare am explicitat ipoteza mea, conform careia la 9.500-8.000 B.C. in faza paganista, pilonii T asemanatori unor trunchiuri umane, semnificau spiritul vietii.Spiritele in general nu aveau si nu au o forma concreta, acesta forma in T fiind o stilizare, esenta. Ei, se pare ca forma T a spiritelor stramosilor a difuzat si in alte culturi.Pentru a trece in cealalta lume spiritele aveau nevoie de o deschizatura,trecere, si logic ar fi ca poarta sa aiba aceeasi forma.Cam aceasta ar fi ipoteza mea.Desigur oricine se poate intreba, si as fi preferat si eu pentru o completa sustinere: – De ce nu apar si in alte parti (acolo unde avem deschizaturi T) spiritelle vietii (sau ce or fi) cu forma T? si – De ce nu avem in Anatolia deschideri in T ?
Tsütunları ve H/I sembolleri
Daha önceki gönderilerde T şeklindeki sütunların ilahi, kutsal semboller olduğuna dair somut kanıtlar vermiştim. Sütunlar tapınaklardır, aslında Yaşam Ruhu'nun yaşadığı evlerdir. T şekli Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işareti Ben ise ve karmaşık bir anlama sahipse: "ilahi güçler - ilahi karar - (ilahi) arı - ayin - yaşama iradesi", çünkü Göbekli Tepe'nin insanları da karmaşık bir anlama sahipti, ancak esas olarak "Yaşam Ruhu". "Ray Urbaniak, "H" sembolünü çift T şekli olarak yorumluyor. ... Ayrıca Tau'nun yarısının manevi alemde olduğunu da söylüyor." . Daha sonra Urbaniak'tan sonra, H'nin iki T'den oluştuğunu vurgulasaydım, H'nin ve I'nin işaretlerinin aynı zamanda iki T'den oluştuğunu, yine iki Sümer proto-çivi yazılı Me işaretinden oluştuğunu bulan tek kişi bendim! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) https://www.researchgate.net › 3305...
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С. 150-174 [Yemelianov V.V. On the Original Meaning of Sumerian ME (Images of ... [Emelyanov V.V. An Answer to the Paper by I.A. 《me:"will to live"》 "Me", "ilahi güçler = yaşam ruhu" gibi, H ve I'in çok karmaşık semboller olduğunu, yaşam veren İlahi Kozmik Güçlerin sembolleri olduğunu ileri sürdüm. Eğer Özgür Barış Etli : "..Yani gizemli "me" sembolünün "Cennet (Gökyüzü) - Dünya bağlantısı: yani hayat var olabilir" ile ilgili olduğunu söyleyebilirim. Şamanik inanışta Dünya yaşam gücünü, Göbekli Tepe bu nedenle önemli bir yer olarak görülmelidir. " ÷÷÷÷÷÷ Barış Etli'ye somut deliller (varsayım değil) ve H/I'nin ilahi güçlerin sembolleri olduğu hipotezim var. Gökyüzü ve Dünyayı birbirine bağlayan ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ Yani, H ve I sembolleri de 2xT =Me-Me'dir; Meme (Ur-Meme), Gula'nın şifa veren Tanrıçasıydı. http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu › gu...
Gula/Ninkarrak (goddess) - Oracc 《Relatively minor goddesses such as Nintinugga, Meme and Baba are also identified with Gula/Ninkarrak.》 Dolayısıyla H ve ben, Onun sembolleri veya onunki gibi ilahi/iyileştirici güçlere sahip şaman sembollerinin ilahi güçleri olabilirdik.
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Nippur (E-kur/Duranki): Sümerlerin omphalo'su < Duranki (Dur.An.Ki), Tanrıları tarafından yaratılan insanlar için Sümer terimiydi. Dur, Bond'a çevirir, An gökyüzüdür ve Ki topraktır>
Am gasit o serie de propuneri, una mai nastrusnica ca alta. Par mai degraba neserioase si nu prea par sa aiba legatura cu realitatea.Bine ca gasira țop, mai lipsea țoapa. Din http://enciclopediaromaniei.ro/wiki/Mo%C5%A3i 《 O altă enigmă rămasă fără o explicaţie este originea numelui de “moţ”. Cele mai multe explicaţii privind acest nume indică faptul că românii din munte purtau părul strâns în chică (“moţ”), lăsată să cadă de obicei pe umărul drept. Alţi autori consideră că numele vine de la cuvântul latin “motus”, care înseamnă “răzvrătit”, “rebel”, dacă fiind puternica înclinaţie spre libertate a moţilor. Denumirea de “ţop” are cam aceeaşi explicaţie a părului strâns în chică, numai că acest cuvânt ar putea proveni din limba germană (“tzopf” = chică). Austriecii îi numeau pe moţi “tzopfiger wallachische”, adică “valahi cu moţ”. O explicaţie puţin plauzibilă a numelui de “ţop” ar fi aceea că se zice că moţii nu ar şti să danseze, astfel că la auzul muzicii ei “ţopăie” ca ursul. Acest fapt nu e adevărat, moţii ştiind să danseze la fel de bine ca oricine altcineva.》 — Bine ca gasira țop, mai lipsea țoapa. Uite o tampenia maxima: https://ro.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Țara Moților – Wikipedia 《 „Moți” poate fi o deformare a cuvintelor „munți” (romanic) sau „moji” (slav, care înseamnă « bărbați »; a dat și cuvântul „moși”)》
—-Apoi a inceput sa se faca lumina cand am gasit in doua surse, cumva in doua familii lingvistice acelasi inteles: Proto-Basque:moc Meaning: short Bizkaian:motz Gipuzkoan:motz, motx High Navarrese:motz Low Navarrese:motz Salazarese:motz Lapurdian:motz Baztanese:motz Aezkoan:motz Zuberoan:mutz Roncalese:motz Comments:This word is generally believed to be from Romance (cf. Span.mocho’cut off’, Ital.mozzo, etc.), ult. < an unrecorded Latin mutium(REW 5792). From https://www.wordsense.eu/mozza/ mozzare (Italian) Origin & history From mozzo (“cut off, docked”).verb mozzare1.(transitive) to cut off (the head)
2.(transitive) to dock (the tail) From https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/mozzo Italian Etymology 1mozzo first-person singular present indicative of mozzare Etymology 2 From Vulgar Latin *mutius, from Latin mutilus. Cf. also French mousse, Spanish mocho. mozzo(feminine mozza, masculine plural mozzi, feminine plural mozze)1. cut off (head)2.docked (tail)Etymology 3 Borrowed from Spanish mozo, possibly from Latin musteus.mozzo m (plural mozzi 1.(nautical) ship’s boy 2.boy, lad Etymology4 From latin modium.Doublet if moggio mozzo m (plural mozzi)1.hub, nave 2.boss (of a screw) Picture, https://images.app.goo.gl/Jw42pgM3DuJbVkNu7
Ma gandeam ca poate exista legatura cu “scurt” devreme ce moții par a fi scunzi: Din https://cluj24.ro › inaltimea-romanil… Înălţimea românilor acum 100 de ani. Înalţii moţi erau mici. 1,67 m …
Limba basca nu face parte din nici-o familie lingvistica, dar a existat si exista pe teritoriul celtic. Dar daca motii ar putea avea legatura cu celtii, nu vad cum ar putea sa se exprime depreciativ fata de ei insisi, ca ar fi scurti. Am gasit undeva ca ramurile italica si celtica s-au contopit si astfel s-a format limba latina.Nici nu mai este nevoie sa amintesc ca din latina latina vulgara este de fapt amestecul tuturor limbilor din arealul european si mediteranean din est pana la vest.Mozzo inseamna taietor. Ma gandeam ca majoritatea moților ocupanduse cu taiatul lemnelor, un moț a fost numit de cei din exterior (romani?) “taietor” ..sau “butuc” in sensul de butucanos.
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Despite great time span between this civilisations of 6,000 years,(from 9,600/Gobekli to 3,600/sumerian).I not comprehend how cultural achievent (symbols and marks) have been continously transmitted from generation to generation such a long time. As knowing well sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, I was shocked finding some of them at Gobekli Tepe. There are many of them, e.g. those handbags,sign T,sign H, and so on. In my mind aroused a quick explanation, as Gobekli Tepe not beeing so old or was in contact /visited by (proto?) sumerians a long time period. Very interesting, as allmost all scientists are for very old dates (level III, beginning at PPNA) 
e: n., function, office, responsibility; ideal norm; the phenomenal area of a deity’s power; divine decree, oracle; cult. v., to be; the Sumerian copula; to say, tell.
poss. suffix, our. me3,6,7,9: battle. me6: to act, behave. >> The Nostratic Macrofamily (with special reference to Indo …
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Paradoxes of the Idea of Progress and Cultural ... - ResearchGate
С. 150-174 [Yemelianov V.V. On the Original Meaning of Sumerian ME (Images of ... [Emelyanov V.V. An Answer to the Paper by I.A. 《me:"will to live"》 "Me", "ilahi güçler = yaşam ruhu" gibi, H ve I'in çok karmaşık semboller olduğunu, yaşam veren İlahi Kozmik Güçlerin sembolleri olduğunu ileri sürdüm. Eğer Özgür Barış Etli : "..Yani gizemli "me" sembolünün "Cennet (Gökyüzü) - Dünya bağlantısı: yani hayat var olabilir" ile ilgili olduğunu söyleyebilirim. Şamanik inanışta Dünya yaşam gücünü, Göbekli Tepe bu nedenle önemli bir yer olarak görülmelidir. " ÷÷÷÷÷÷ Barış Etli'ye somut deliller (varsayım değil) ve H/I'nin ilahi güçlerin sembolleri olduğu hipotezim var. Gökyüzü ve Dünyayı birbirine bağlayan ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ Yani, H ve I sembolleri de 2xT =Me-Me'dir; Meme (Ur-Meme), Gula'nın şifa veren Tanrıçasıydı. http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu › gu...
Gula/Ninkarrak (goddess) - Oracc 《Relatively minor goddesses such as Nintinugga, Meme and Baba are also identified with Gula/Ninkarrak.》 Dolayısıyla H ve ben, Onun sembolleri veya onunki gibi ilahi/iyileştirici güçlere sahip şaman sembollerinin ilahi güçleri olabilirdik.
https://aratta.wordpress.com › nippu…
Nippur (E-kur/Duranki): Sümerlerin omphalo'su < Duranki (Dur.An.Ki), Tanrıları tarafından yaratılan insanlar için Sümer terimiydi. Dur, Bond'a çevirir, An gökyüzüdür ve Ki topraktır>
Tartaria tablets 
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