Tartaria tablets

I must confess you, I studied sumerian proto-cuneiform signs, when made research regarding Tartaria tablets. I was stunned to see one sign, repeated three times, on one of Gobekli Tepe pillars (No.43).In my mind cannot conceal the presence of a later sumerian sign at a allmost 6.000 years time span back.( or reverse: presence of Gobekli Tepe symbols 6,000 years ahead from sumerian proto-writing) I sought that possible Gobekli Tepe site is not so old !?

Dating Gobekli Tepe: the evidence doesn’t support a PPNB date, but instead a possibly much later one
Dimitrios S. Dendrinos Ph.D., MArchUD, DiplArchEng. Emeritus Professor, School Of Architecture and Urban Design, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA. In residence at Ormond Beach, Florida. Contact at: cbf-jf@earthlink.net
September 19, 2016 https://www.plutorules.com/uploads/7/2/6/8/72681811/dating_gobekli_tepe_september_19_2016.pdf << Abstract
The paper analyzes the evidence regarding the dating of the Gobekli Tepe complex. First, it examines the C14 dating information supplied by the archeologist in charge of the Gobekli Tepe excavation, Klaus Schmidt, and a number of others. This is claimed as evidence that Gobekli Tepe is of the at least PPNB period. The evidence they analyzed was obtained from both the fill, as well
as from the plaster at the surface of certain Gobekli Tepe structures. The paper also examines the lithic based evidence regarding the fill at the site. Clear evidence that counters these claims is presented in this paper. Although the Gobekli Tepe site can be shown to be of much later construction date than PPPNB, the paper sets as a modest aim to show that the structures at GT so far analyzed are of a later than PPNB date. Evidence covering both C14 dating, as well as architectural, urban design, urban planning, demography and art evidence is offered to back this argument. Extensive use is made of architectural elements from PPNA Natufian settlements, as well as PPNA/B settlements Hallan Cemi and Jerf el-Ahmar.>>

Most of the scientists think symbols are representing bags.Were related to prosperty, good wealth and used in religious rituals such as purification and fertility, and containing water, polen or seeds. ======== There are 3 signs among sumerian proto-cuneiform ones, wich are very close to the shapes of that “handbags”, and which I would like to consider and examine: Ga2, DUB, and URUDU. ====== 1.FIRST SIGN. Proto-cuneiform sign GA2

I PAY ATTENTION TO THIS SIGN NOT DUE OF THE SHAPE, BUT BECAUSE MANY SCIENTIST ARE EXPECTING KIND OF CONTAINER, AS SEEN AND SPREAD IN MANY SCULPTURES/BASS-RELIEFS THROUGHOUT THE EARTH

I suppose that the sign on the pillar,along the time wasstilised, and become by sumerians sign Ga2 :

From Archaeology of Food: An Encyclopedia Karen Bescherer Metheny, ‎Mary C. Beaudry file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Vessels_and_other_containers_for_the_sto.pdf                         “This frame or container sign is reletad to a symilar basket or box, namely the sign GA2”   

with sign value https://www.oocities.org/proto-language/SumerianSignValueRegister.htm&nbsp; ba4, ga2, ma3, pisan, sita.

Sumerian Lexicon – Sumerian Language Pagewww.sumerian.org › sumerianPDFAug 11, 1999 — The Sumerian lexicon has benefitted from several classes at UCLA with … pisań(2/3), pisan(2/3): (open) basket; box, chest; frame 

The sumerian word for basket, container, chest is : http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com › …PDF Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria 5 mai 2000 — The niftiest ‘Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary’ in the university world: … GA2 (ga2 / gá), mal, bisag / bisaĝ [ 704x] (pisan) = basket | [208x] … The wooden

http://www.academia.edu › Interpreting_J… (DOC) Interpreting John.A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … *gá: basket; house; stable (cf., gar) [GA2 archaic frequency: 125; concatenation of 5 sign variants] . ga – has the composition- ka- and the meaning-of the word iskukai-cave…

pisannu [THE SIGN GA₂] http://oracc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/dcclt/signlists/cbd/akk/x00021680.html?fbclid=IwAR12vD3clUldzJXSraso3Oga3tf_GGrMR2bslHkvX4sLsB7rdmPcI6d0Ig8

http://www.federatio.org › mi_biblPDF Etymological Dictionary of Hungarian (EDH) 22 ian. 2007 — to a relative small common Sumerian-Hungarian basis of … have always adhered to the Sumerian-Hungarian theory or … Sum. gá + gur … Sum. ga2 (pronounced nga) “I”

Proposal ; ZATU 751~b

From Handbags of the Gods. https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1132912/pg1?fbclid=IwAR29xOv15LmiBxatY8str-6lbz6KjGfrhL-urOIzGqPFnWfvw4ZQKFkZ2C8 <<… they could be made of sheep hide or wicker work or beads, have metal handles or wooden, but they held such symbolic importance that they were Deified having their own Temple. …. In discussing why this was so from the Hittite perspective i’ll illustrate this with images from Jiroft curiously enough, as that culture silent in terms of translated text i consider as having the best recovered artifacts relating to this cult, suggesting an earlier common source to that of the Hittites, that being very ancient, indeed Kursa being seen at Gobekli Tepe. … We can see then that the symbolic hand bag would have had association with life, vigor and longevity and the general well being of the land, at Jiroft i think one sees all aspects of this mythos in the context of grave goods were the bag illustrates the relationship of a Telipinu type hero illustrating his relationship to nature, the connectivity between the Eastern and Western horizons in terms of constellations seen mirrored, and the cosmological palace of the great Palace and the windows of the horizon, an edifice of three layers generally. >>

https://oi.uchicago.edu//sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/as26.pdf Do you know what else is missing? Let’s start wondering why a hunting bag was such a powerful symbol in a population of hunter-gatherers?

https://www.academia.edu › The_Hi…The Hittite kursa similar with the Greek aegis ? (and the impact of …

https://www.academia.edu › The_m…The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree.

======== 2. Second SIGN, “DUB” This is much close to our sign. From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html sign “DUB“

The notion of tablet or imprinting was not unknown for Gobekli Tepe’s people:

You see, the idea of knowledge received from ancestors or from heaven, sky divine beings is very old through-out the World, and sure preceded writing. Thus divine knowledge was before smelting metals discovery, the second sign in my opinion is a little newer than those on the pillar. DUB is known, DUBSAR:”scribe” (DUB/(clay)tablet-SAR/write,writer) But the initial old meaning is to imprint and to seal, because seals preceded writing.  

http://new-indology.blogspot.com/2015/05/sumerian-and-indo-european-surprising.html << – Sum. dub ‘tablet‘, dubsar ‘scribe’ (‘tablet-writer’), dub ‘to push away, down; to smash, abolish’ (Akkadian translation), ‘to hammer’ (Civil’s Glossary), -Today I give the proposal based on Arams Suggestions:
Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type – Old Persian dipi- ‘writing’ is considered as coming from Elamite tippi, more ancient tuppi, supposed to be an evolution of Sum. dub itself. But in this context we can propose that the Elamite form is connected with a common root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘. >> You see, the shape of DUB is like of a portable handle-seal or stamp, see curved handle.

So the handbags are containing tablets wich carry divine knowledge, “the tablets of destiny”

From Tablet of Destinies (mythic item) – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tablet_of_Destinies_(…In Mesopotamian mythology, the Tablet of Destinies (Sumerian: 𒁾𒉆𒋻𒊏 dub namtarra; Akkadian: ṭup šīmātu, ṭuppi šīmāti) was envisaged as a clay tablet

From Nimrud – Ninurta, Sumerian god – Pinteresthttps://www.pinterest.com › … › Egypt…  Sumerian god of the plough attacks Anzu to regain the stolen Tablets of Destinies. … Inside The Anunnaki Purse

Those handbags, tablets of destinies have in common the idea of divine decree, destiny

Me (mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) << In Sumerian mythology, a me (𒈨; Sumerian: me; Akkadian: parsu) is one of the decrees of the divine that is foundational to those social institutions, religious practices, technologies, behaviors, mores, and human conditions that make civilization, as the Sumerians understood it, possible. They are fundamental to the Sumerian understanding of the relationship between humanity and the gods. …. The mes were originally collected by Enlil and then handed over to the guardianship of Enki, who was to broker them out to the various Sumerian centers, beginning with his own city of Eridu and continuing with Ur, Meluhha, and Dilmun. …. The Sumerian tablets never actually describe what any of the mes look like, but they are clearly represented by physical objects of some sort.>>

THERE WERE SETS OF ME’s AS BUNDLES OF TABLETS

Enki in Ancient Literature – World History Encyclopediahttps://www.worldhistory.org › article › enki-in-ancient…Jan 15, 2017 — Enki is a god of Sumerian mythology and, later in time, … He was the keeper of the divine powers called me-s (Tablets of Destiny)

Inside The Alien Anunnaki Purse https://www.afrikaiswoke.com/anunnaki-purse/

Ultimately, both mainstream Historians and Ancient Astronaut Theorists agree that the Anunnaki carried MEs in their purses.What is not clear is the exact nature of these devices which are only described as ‘splendid’ in the Sumerian Texts. However, if we consider what MEs were used for, and what they helped to accomplish in the Sumerian Civilization, then its possible that they were some kind of advanced database or computation device that was used by the advanced Race of Ancient Astronaut Alien Beings called the Anunnaki that established Civilization on Earth.

The Last Apkalllu | Sumerian Arthttps://sumerians.creator-spring.com › listing › the-last-…The Apkallu (Akkadian) or Abgal (Sumerian), are seven Sumerian sages

Apkallu – Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Apkallu <<Apkallu (Akkadian) and Abgal (Sumerian:𒉣𒈨 ) are terms found in cuneiform inscriptions that in general mean either “wise” or “sage”.>>

Mario Brun – Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to… | Facebookhttps://ne-np.facebook.com › posts·  Bird-headed sages (apkallu) In order to protect a household, figures would be buried beneath the floor in groups of seven.

The Meaning of the Sumerian Tablets of Destiny – Warlock …https://warlockasyluminternationalnews.com › the-mean… https://warlockasyluminternationalnews.com/aspects-of-the-necronomicon/the-meaning-of-the-sumerian-tablets-of-destiny/ The tablet can be compared with the concept of the Me, divine decrees …. Both this poem and the Akkadian Anzû poem concern the theft of the tablet by the bird Imdugud (Sumerian) or Anzû (Akkadian).Supposedly, whoever possessed the tablet ruled the universe. …..

(PDF) The God Enki in Sumerian Royal Ideology and Mythologyhttps://www.researchgate.net › … › Mythologyand mythological meaning of the term me: V. Emelianov, Calendar Ritual in Sumerian. Religion and Culture (ME’s and the Spring Festivals) (2009)

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Shape T of pillars= sumerian proto-cuneiform sign Me :”Divine powers, divine decree,…”( and others ) On wich we have three symbols (“marks,seals, tablets” ?) so maybe three tablets. In fact three sets of tablets of destinies. Maybe every of (3?) tribes received his set of instructions (see different animals relating to each tribe)

IT IS ABSOLUTELY WEIRD THAT PROTO-CUNEIFORM SIGN DUB “TABLET” HAS CLOSE SHAPE WITH THAT OF BAG/CONTAINER/BASKET …AND BESIDE BASKET SIGN IS ALSO HOUSE! :

3-rd sign, “URUDU” (uru–du:”luminous object–mould,cast” = “copper“) :

Of course metals were not present at Gobekli Tepe, at least in the LAYER II time/9,000 B.C. By sumerians appeared later. Interpretation of John. A. Halloran’s Sumerian Lexicon … – NanoPDFhttps://nanopdf.com › download › interpreation-of-j…PDF <<urudu, uruda, urud: copper; metal (ùru, ‘luminous object‘, + dù, ‘to mould, cast’) [URUDU archaic frequency: 61; concatenates 3 sign variants] >> …..Metals are generally luminous (except iron, lead?)

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After documenting, I got a clear image and could advance a hypothesis on the origin, evolution and meaning of so called “handbag” sign. Surprisingly is not the fact that the symbol is very old and oripginated at Gobekli Tepe, but the fact that the first ordinary meaning is near identical to bag. In fact it seems that was a hunting bag, and not at all an ordinary one. but used in religios-related rituals and was as much sacred that at the hittites there was also a God with the name Kursa:”hunting bag”/”breastplate-shield”?

https://www.academia.edu › The_m… The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. He remarked that, in Sumerian, the bird is the sign for fate and destiny

The cult of the Kursa in the kingdom of Hattusa, the Illuyanka myth and the way to Colchis. https://www.academia.edu/6064994/The_cult_of_the_Kursa_in_the_kingdom_of_Hattusa_the_Illuyanka_myth_and_the_way_to_Colchis?fbclid=IwAR12vD3clUldzJXSraso3Oga3tf_GGrMR2bslHkvX4sLsB7rdmPcI6d0Ig8

The Kursa and the Golden Fleece Sjur Cappelen Papazian https://aratta.wordpress.com/2015/09/20/9863/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1b8nr3vdrllooik0jAXPFgDE65MF5sgYwrW77T9w0cbF0-lizZXzJvV1Y

The mother of the hunting god and a kursa on the eya tree. Joost Blasweiler https://www.academia.edu/4853772/The_mother_of_the_hunting_god_and_a_kursa_on_the_eya_tree << The scholar Maciej Popko stated in his dissertation of 1978 that the kursa (the fleece) played animportant role in religion and many old Hittite festivals. The kursa was a sacral attribute and was offered as a representative of a god.Popko explained how the Hittite kursa, a bag of leather … … Some texts indicate that the kursa could have also be in the form of a shield or a cloth. It is then a cult symbol, which stands next to the sacral container with 20 arrows. Popkoremarked that there is a possibility that the kursa was not a shield but a skin, a fleece, which protected the arrow container.>> See in the extreme right a bag is hunging from stylized (eya) tree

————————————————— I was impressed at what extent spread this symbol, and in how many cultures.Evidence is the presence in so many places. Probably the Gobekli Tepe symbol had complex meaning, beside bag, basket container having also that of house and impression, inprinting. The root DUB is present in IE languages ast the root Typ, greek typos> tipografy, to type.

Sumerian and Indo-European: a surprising connection – New …http://new-indology.blogspot.com › 2015/05 › sumeria…May 2, 2015 — Sumerian Dub ”Scribe” with PIE *tup- “to push, stick, knock, beat” the root of English Type etc, compare Akkadian tup Persian dabir/dapir, Arm ..

The root dub/tup- ‘to stamp, impress‘, make me to think that on the pillar they wanted to stamp,impress leave the mark of the main tribes, as near every symbol was a different animal (TOTEM !)

The evidence of meaning “impress,tablet” are the tablets with signs found at Gobekli Tepe, and the shape of proto-cuneiform sign “DUB” . For the meaning “house” the evidence is the close shape of GA2 sign, of course modified, stilised in passing thousend years, toward vedged-cuneiform.

—————– Not one scientist, but many hypothesised that those symbols could signify houses:

(PDF) So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of …https://www.researchgate.net › publication › 25956191…Sep 24, 2015 — Relief on pillar 43 in structure D. Note the “box-like” objects near the … One possible interpretation of these objects is as houses with …

Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth’s Lost …https://books.google.ro › booksGraham Hancock · 2015 · ‎HistoryFigure 52: Astronomer Giulio Magli notes of Pillar 43 at Göbekli Tepe (right) that the ‘bags’ in the top register are similar to the ‘houses in the sky‘ …

Gobekli Tepe: Genesis of the Gods: The Temple of the …https://books.google.ro › booksAndrew Collins · 2014 · ‎Body, Mind & SpiritOn Pillar 43’s western face are three vultures, one of which is a juvenile. … are most likely animal pens or houses, situated on what could be the edge of 

From So Fair a House Gobekli Tepe and the Identification of Temples in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic of the Near East

Edward Bruce Banning University of Toronto https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259561913_So_Fair_a_House_Gobekli_Tepe_and_the_Identification_of_Temples_in_the_Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_of_the_Near_East https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Conjectural-reconstruction-of-the-roof-framing-of-structure-B-at-Goebekli-Tepe-with-a_fig2_259561913

YOU SEE, IT SEEMS THAT FROM THAT CONCRETE SYMBOL ON THE PILLAR, APPARENTLY DERIVED IN THE COURSE OF TIME OTHER CLOSE SHAPED SIGNS WITH THE MEANINGS: GA2: “HOUSE” ; “BASKET” > Hitt.Kursa, “hunting bag ?” (At Gobekli Tepe, there was any Gucci yet, so rather baskets) DUB:”STAMP, IMPRESS,TABLET” URUDU:”COPPER” (much later)

In my opinion, at Gobekli Tepe were sacred symbols, wich represented SACRED BASKETS/HANDBAGS USED IN RELIGIOUS RITUALS IN THE SAME WAY AS HITTITE USED CURSAS.

Today I had a revelation: It is not by chance that Vulture stone/pillar 43 has on it depicted in the same time the bags and a lot of birds.Birds are later sumerian Apkallu=”wise,sage” (… these figurines include fish-man hybrids representing the seven sages, but also include bird-headed and other figures.) and Anzu birds. An mean sky and zu wisdom intelligence, so wisdom and knowledge from sky. From Wikipedia:”AN.ZU could therefore mean simply “heavenly eagle” Also I learned that close around shifting North Pole there were those many bird-constellations.Probably as at siberian hunter-gatherers, the north pole was the channel used by shamans to comunicate with the Other World From Axis Mundi Wikipedia: 《A common shamanic concept, and a universally told story, is that of the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world.》

Folowing image, from

GÖBEKLI TEPE’S PILLAR 43:
AN ASTRONOMICAL INTERPRETATION

Andrew Collins and Rodney Hale

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Movement of the North Celestial Pole: https://thesciencegeek01.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/precession-changing-pole-star.png

The bags are related through Apkallu to sky An (bird An-Zu) and in the same time to primordial waters, Ab-Zu

Wikipedia, Abzu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apsu_(Escultura).jpg

The Abzu or Apsu Sumerian: engur; lit., ab=’water‘ zu=’deep‘, The pictogram for ‘zu’ is a full measuring cup and means knowledge, scholar, wisdom. The pictogram for ‘ab’ is a house, or a thatched hut, meaning father, house-father. Thus, Abzu, actually Zuab, means ‘All-knowing Father‘>>

https://www.britannica.com › topicZu | Mesopotamian mythology | BritannicaZu, also called Imdugud, in Mesopotamian Religion, bird god who steals the prophetic tables of fate that confer supreme power.Zu is identified with Anzu.

If Apkallu has the shape of a fish, or AbZu coming from deep or is bird AnZu coming from sky they have in common Zu=knowledge, wisdom.

If Gobekli Tepe’s people had cult of ancestors, then make sense that sumerians continued to have also the cult of Abzu:”all knowing father” wich carry in handbag exactly what wich knows, knowledge.

   Tsütunları ve H/I sembolleri 
 Daha önceki gönderilerde T şeklindeki sütunların ilahi, kutsal semboller olduğuna dair somut kanıtlar vermiştim. Sütunlar tapınaklardır, aslında Yaşam Ruhu'nun yaşadığı evlerdir. T şekli Sümer proto-çivi yazısı işareti Ben ise ve karmaşık bir anlama sahipse: "ilahi güçler - ilahi karar - (ilahi) arı - ayin - yaşama iradesi", çünkü Göbekli Tepe'nin insanları da karmaşık bir anlama sahipti, ancak esas olarak "Yaşam Ruhu". "Ray Urbaniak, "H" sembolünü çift T şekli olarak yorumluyor. ... Ayrıca Tau'nun yarısının manevi alemde olduğunu da söylüyor." . Daha sonra Urbaniak'tan sonra, H'nin iki T'den oluştuğunu vurgulasaydım, H'nin ve I'nin işaretlerinin aynı zamanda iki T'den oluştuğunu, yine iki Sümer proto-çivi yazılı Me işaretinden oluştuğunu bulan tek kişi bendim!  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology)                     https://www.researchgate.net › 3305...
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С. 150-174 [Yemelianov V.V. On the Original Meaning of Sumerian ME (Images of ... [Emelyanov V.V. An Answer to the Paper by I.A.   《me:"will to live"》                              "Me", "ilahi güçler = yaşam ruhu" gibi, H ve I'in çok karmaşık semboller olduğunu, yaşam veren İlahi Kozmik Güçlerin sembolleri olduğunu ileri sürdüm.                   Eğer Özgür Barış Etli : "..Yani gizemli "me" sembolünün "Cennet (Gökyüzü) - Dünya bağlantısı: yani hayat var olabilir" ile ilgili olduğunu söyleyebilirim. Şamanik inanışta Dünya yaşam gücünü, Göbekli Tepe bu nedenle önemli bir yer olarak görülmelidir. "               ÷÷÷÷÷÷                   Barış Etli'ye somut deliller (varsayım değil) ve H/I'nin ilahi güçlerin sembolleri olduğu hipotezim var. Gökyüzü ve Dünyayı birbirine bağlayan                       ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷                                  Yani, H ve I sembolleri de 2xT =Me-Me'dir; Meme (Ur-Meme), Gula'nın şifa veren Tanrıçasıydı.        http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu › gu...
Gula/Ninkarrak (goddess) - Oracc 《Relatively minor goddesses such as Nintinugga, Meme and Baba are also identified with Gula/Ninkarrak.》                     Dolayısıyla H ve ben, Onun sembolleri veya onunki gibi ilahi/iyileştirici güçlere sahip şaman sembollerinin ilahi güçleri olabilirdik.
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