Atentie!                                                                                                                                                  Aceasta postare nu este o o descifrare sau citire a unui presupus continut scris propriu-zis. Cu atat mai mult cu cat avem de-a face cu semne proto-cuneiforme, si deci in consecinta cu  proto-scriere. Avand in vedere ca semnele nu apartin unui unic sistem de scris ci mai multora, pagina are un caracter pur didactic. Are rolul de a incerca si testa diferite scrieri in idea ca pe tablite s-ar fi folosit unul din ele. Semnele de pe tablite apartin mai multor sisteme de scrisi dintr-larg interval de timp si care au folosite in diferite arii geografice. In niciuna din incercari semnele nu s-au incadrat intr-un singur tip de scriere, totdeauna au ramas semne care au provenit din alte scrieri (sau din necunoscut). Cele mai multe semne provin din cele sumeriene proto-cuneiforme.Apoi privind asemanarea, in ordine descrescatoare este aceea cu semnele Linear A/B si cele Anatoliene. Semnele din jumatatea superioara a tablitei rotunde par a proveni din scrierea arhaica greceasca.Cel mai degraba aceasta “adunatura” de semne pare a fi rodul imaginatiei bogate a cuiva.Dupa cum au constatat A.Falkenstein si A.A.Vaiman, (aceasta fiind si parerea mea ferma) autorul nu a fost un scrib, avea doar vagi notiuni privind scrisul in general si nu se stie ce a urmarit. Exista multe elemente de neconcordanta precum si altele care scot tablitele din tiparele si normele uzuale ale  logicii, scrisului si intentiilor oneste.

====================                                                                                                                      Tentativei de citire a semnelor folosind semne asemanatoare sumeriene proto-cuneiforme  nu-i dau mare credit, pentru ca semnul sumerian “Ku” nu arata tocmai asa si nici semnul “D” nu era inscriptionat prin zgariere ci numai prin apasare=imprimare, rezultatul fiind oarecum de forma “D”.                                                                                                                                                                                                   Deasemenea nici citirii folosind scrierile Linear A,B nu le dau credit mare, intrucat desi exista semnul PA3, nu am gasit vre-n semn inscriptionat exact ca si un “P’ sau “D”.Chiar in ipoteza ca D-ul reprezinta luna si folosind acceptia “MEN,MENO,MENE” este adevarat ca mi-a iesit PA(PAi?)-MEN care cumva seamana cu Poimen,”Pastor”.Cine stie, poate ar insemna PA(radacina pentru a pazi) si MEN:”constant”. Eu am observat inca acum mai multi ani ca jumatatea superioara a tablitei contine inafara de semnul +++++ litere grecesti.Mai precis din alfabetul arhaic grec care contine litera Heta (eta arhaic).Este adevarat ca la o adica si semnul +++++ ar putea fisemnul din alfabetul arhaic cretan (Eteocretan) Se/Su,etc.                                                                                                                     P.S.                                                                                                                                                        Nu pot sa va ascund nici faptul ca am suspicionat christograma lui Hristos, dar nu am gasit nicaieri in lume monograma HP ,HPistos/HRistos (ci numai pentru Heros/Hercules/Herod) ci numai “XP” (labarum) !                      ______________________________________________________________________________________

Revenind la un presupus sa zicem HP,                                                                                       Nota.                                                                                                                                              Initial au existat variantele epichorice ale alfabetului arhaic greces (epi-choros=pe loc=local) in care ba intr-un loc pentru D foloseau delta si in altul D iar pentru R intr-un loc foloseau P si in altul D                                                                                              Aceasta grupare consonantica este extrem de veche.                                                             

Din Horus and time A dialog on comparative philology from the ANE list http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/21/004.html November 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:47:07 -0600 (CST) From: berlant@ptd.net Subject: Re: ane Horus and Time At 04:13 PM 11/8/1997 -0500, Geoff Graham wrote:                                                                             “….the relationship between time and the sun ‘s movement that prehistoric Egyptian wordsmiths personified in the name of their solar deity [Hrw] should not logically be considered the ancestor of the same relationship that inheres in the ancient Greek words for (1) “season” [hora] and (2) the limit of a circle [horos] that yielded [horizon], in light of the fact that these Greek words were also clearly derived from a prehistoric consonantal root [HR].  ………                                                                                                     …….Of course, the preceding analysis differs with the prevailing opinion of Indo-Europeanists who have attributed Greek [hora] to a hypothetical PIE root [YER] and Greek [horos] to no root. However, in the absence of empirical proof that these Greek words were derived in one way rather than the other, that way must be inferred by using the principles of deductive reasoning to unite the available evidence. ………            …………. I was, thus, wondering what should prevent an objective observer from logically hypothesizing that the aforementioned Greek words are, in all likelihood, derivatives of a known Egyptian root [Hrw], rather than of two hypothetical Proto-Indo-European roots, .….”                                                                ______________________________________________________________

Eu de mai multi ani, am vazut si am urmarit cu un gen de obstinatie (puteti zice si fixism) aceasta presupusa radacina HR ; – am gasit in bucati de obiecte ceramice gasite in Egipt si Levant, mai des decat in aria Egeeana, monograma HP inscrptionata cu forma arhaica a lui eta, heta care initial se pronunta h,he. Cercetatorii spun ca ar reprezenta zeita Hera sau Heros sau nume propriu Heros, eventual Hercules(Hercles).

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In ce ma priveste, am suspicionat atat Hera cat si Heros.Heros declinat are si forma HeRo.A insemnat “DOMN” si zic cercetatorii ca initial si literar a insemnat “protector/aparator”.

Din  https://biblehub.com/?fbclid=IwAR21RAqUwMY9haERCPCA1YE6NAx2vi2ZzwjhI42hfpbqs7N29EH1TxcxiIc            The word hero comes from the Greek ἥρως (hērōs), “hero” (literally “protector” or “defender”),[3]                                   Nota.                                                                                                                                                        1.Initial, titlul de erou era dat dupa moarte numai celor larg cunoscuti si recunoscuti pentru fapte eroice.Ulterior ritualurile de “eroizare” s-au aplicat si oamenilor sa zicem mai “obisnuiti”.                                                                                                                        2.Retineti ca langa au fost gasite niste oase (este adevarat ca datate la cca.5200 B.C. !?) ,dar important este faptul ca arheologii au dedus ca a fost vorba de o a doua ingropare (engl.”secondary burial), cand oasele curatate au fost reingropate in cadrul unui ritual.               Aceasta dubla ingropare s-a practicat in Grecia chiar pana in zilele noastre !!

In legatura cu timpul, am prezentat o eventuala citire HeRe (albaneza “timp”)…in dreapta gasind rrrok (albaneza”termen”) sau Bg. surok (ca si romanescul soroc=termen si rusescul sorok=40 gasit si de B.Perlov). Interesant este ca si gr. Horos inseamna “termen, limita, granita,domeniu”                                                                                                      Ex.”horos Dios: “domeniu zeiesc, a lui Zeus” > templu

Strong’s Greek: 3724. ὁρίζω (horizó) — to mark off by boundaries, to determine
https://biblehub.com › greek
Original Word: ὁρίζω … 3724 horízō (from horos, “boundary, limit“) – properly, to set boundaries

όρος See also: ορός, ὄρος, and ὅρος Greek Edit Pronunciation : [ˈo̞ro̞s] Hyphenation: ό‧ρος Etymology From Ancient Greek ὅρος (hóros). Noun  όρος • (óros) m (plural όροι) term (word, phrase; limitation, restriction) definition, stipulation clause (law) article Acc.Sing. oro/horo

In acest caz am avea in stanga timp?termen,limita si in dreapta tot termen (soroc)         De notat ca in ritualurile crestine si poate nu numai cica sufletul bantuie prin preajma oamenilor si numai dupa 40 de zile (sorok=40!) ritualul este terminat si sufletul ajunge la cer, numai atunci fiind liberi cu adevarat si cei ramasi si cel plecat.

Nota. Cuvantul har “farmec, dar nemeritat” are o origine foarte veche.Acest cuvant ca si simbolul crucii au o origine cu mult mai veche dacat inceputul crestinismului

Speculations on the Xártus Ceisiwr Serith Main Page ->Proto-Indo-European Religion http://www.ceisiwrserith.com/pier/  http://www.ceisiwrserith.com/pier/xartusspeculations.htm

Here is where they etymology of the word comes in. It is based on the root *H_2/4er-, “to fit together in an appropriate and aesthetically pleasing manner; to dovetail; to harmonize.” The Xártus will take the direction that is most appropriate; that fits the context best, the one that is, above all, the prettiest. Remember that “cosmos” is related to “cosmetic.”

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                               This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions. =====

Lunar Menstrual Chronograms from the Danube Civilization to procreate a Child of the Moon | Marco Merlini – Academia.edu http://www.academia.edu/19697139/Lunar_Menstrual_Chronograms_from_the_Danube_Civilization_to_procreate_a_Child_of_the_Moon

My coments:                                                                                                                                               Some researchers found an intriguing fact that the signs “D D o o” situated on upper-right side of the Tartaria tablet are high challenging.

From https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DT_WSLrf76g/SSNCIVGnLGI/AAAAAAAAAC4/3y1gwcGR4os/s320/NEgrid.JPG

Sumerians did not figured the moon as D.

Click to access Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf

1230D <<< U+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU3 | SIN = moon       See “30”

For me also, at the time supposed to be written the tablets there were no invented yet D-shaped signs.

Close shape has sumerian proto-cuneiform numbers.

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D D o o could be:

grain,bread

1, 1, 10, 10. so, “21 portions of grain”

Even if we have the signs: “D1 D2 o o(?”c”?)”

the sequence there are:

“D1”-sign, identical with ninda (bread) sign wich in proto-cuneiform is in the shape of a D with an inner stroke paralel with that left-side,

“D2” sign is identical with proto-cuneiform D-shape numbers, but sumerian used to imprint the stylus not scratching/cutting.

“o” was used for “10”

“c” was not used ?

If “D1(Ninda) D2 o o” would be: bread. 1(60) 10 10″ so “21 bread”

But I am stressing that sumerians not made numbers only by imprinting.

So the tablet was no written by an native sumerian nor we have proper/genuine sumerian writing. The same opinion had before me A.A.Vaiman “On quasi-sumerian tablets from Tartaria”. He found some 5 other clues (as me also 5) , mainly different technique, other than sumerian on the tablets.

I supposed on my part before to have “D”-shape sign as moon.

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But found non-sense with those twoo repeating D-s folowed by apparent 2 full-moons. As phisical phenomenom, in reality full/black moon and in-between quarterrs are inter-changing, not folowing/repeating the same sequence.

Also I made my mind to have in the left side those “HD”-like signs as for Sun-Moon.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_72                                                                               Radical 72 meaning “sun“ or “day“ is 1 of 34 Kangxi radicals

Ri:”Sun”

an H-like sign with 3 horiz, strokes (ri) as for Sun, also I thought of He(ta) as for Helios.All in vain.

In the Linear A reading aproach I took “H-D” sequence on the left side as Pa-moon=Pa Men, close to poimen, “shepperd”                                                                                             From https://slideplayer.com/slide/5812958/

One of the best renderings, maybe even better than sumerian-one is Mr. Merlini’s interpretation as the phases of the Moon.                                                                                      His paper and aproach is outstanding.With a single reserve:                                                          Could have there the Moon phases but in my opinion the moon phases were not yet related at that time to an “female fertility calendar”

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I made myself searches on astronomy-biology relation throught the time and nowdays, and I found:

-Out of average lunar timing/cycle (rotation) wich has

1. the time in wich the moon shows the same phase and

2. exact the time of one complete revolution, we have an medium/average cycle of 28 days.

I found that out of an medium time of the above twoo, (average same round 28 days) time cycle of moon and female cycle there is no exact or direct relation or match.

Especially due of the fact that every female have an personal cycle independent of the moon phases.

In mithology I found stories to become pregnant at full moon.Nothing proved real.

More than this, fertility female human is expanding in an quite large time extention.

More than this the ovulation time is so individualised that even fatigue, stress, body temperature, ilness and manyother factors are conducting to a situation that:

-nature are aware of all good and bad influences and ovulation occur only when the best conditions are met.If not best kind of optimising occur.

http://www.mothernaturepartnership.org/fact-or-fiction-are-the-moon-and-menstruation-connected/

Women’s cycles are a little more…unpredictable. Our systems are a complex biological loop that can be affected by stress, hormones, sickness, and even exercise. It’s common for people’s cycles to vary between 21 days and 35 days. Even women who report regular periods can have an unpredictably long or short cycle once in a while. Here’s why: each month, the body tries to release an egg at the best time to achieve pregnancy. If the body senses a fever or stress hormones, there’s no use releasing an egg into a body that’s too hot, stressed, or hungry to keep it healthy. Our bodies are willing to wait a little while to keep the egg optimized and ready for fertilization, and that’s when we’re faced with a cycle that’s longer than usual.

Menstrual cycles seem to fall along roughly the same timelines, and it can be tempting to use the moon’s cycles to track an ovulatory or menstrual cycle. Tempting, but unless you’re ready to pick out baby names, you might want to rethink it. Studies that link the moon with fertility or contraception have been inconclusive, and for a good reason: every woman is different. Every cycle can be different.

Even if (from same above):”It can also be beautiful to consider yourself part of the fabric of the natural world. It can be empowering to remember that cultures throughout the world and history have looked up into the night sky and seen a powerful and unabashedly female figure shining down on them. The moon’s waxing phase, as it fills out and brightens the night sky, is an especially vivid symbol of pregnancy and fecundity, which are, of course, directly related to menstruation.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect

The term lunar effect refers to real or imaginary correlations between specific stages of the roughly 29.5-day lunar cycle and behavior and physiological changes in living beings on Earth, including humans. In some cases the purported effect may depend on external cues, such as the amount of moonlight. In other cases, such as the approximately-monthly cycle of menstruation in humans (but not other mammals), the coincidence in timing reflects no known lunar influence.

A considerable number of studies have examined the effect on humans. By the late 1980s, there were at least 40 published studies on the purported lunar-lunacy connection,[1] and at least 20 published studies on the purported lunar-birthrate connection.[2] This has allowed several extensive literature reviews and meta-analyses to be produced, which have found no correlation between the lunar cycle and human biology or behavior.

Out of this, in a time (neolithic ! Merlini/tablets 5300-6300 B.C. )when writing was or not discovered and people were not acustomed with numbers and counting, how could one remember,relate,corelate what day was before/ 40 days/ after when first prenancy simptoms occur !?

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Sufficient bad, if

– many scientists were and are supposing that Vinca civilisation was on the verge of discovering writing (in fact sure riched the mnemonic/iconic stage with maybe forever lost meanings)

– many also said that especially Tartaria tablets carry kind of writing

– most fervent sustainer of Danubian writing is Mr.Marco Merlini,

– especially Tartaria round tablet shows signs wich could carry (if not sounds/words via syllabograms) absolutely sure at least proto-writing via proto-cuneiform signs.

So pity enough that the world toughest and constant sustainer of Danubian writing if choosed to propose those moon-phases, in the situation that in fact we could in reality have writing,

is going many steps way back to an stage before proto-writing. Moon phases are in this case are (local or not) mnemonic signs coresponding to moon phases.

But if one is looking at the signs=moon phases on the tablet or on the real moon on sky not necessary is drawing conclusions on moving asters or female lunar cycle.

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Pity enough for Mr. Merlini, contrary of my first admiration reaction, I found that this “moon-phases” idea is not so new and was not his discovery, nor the first-one to display for the first time.

Compare:

1.MERLINI: Chronograms from the Danube Civilization to procreate a Child of the Moon

Constantin-Emil Ursu, Adrian Poruciuc, Cornelia-Magda Lazarovici (eds.), From Symbols to Signs, Editura Karl A. Romstorfer, Suceava, 2015: 133-200and

2.R.KOLEV Bab Sky Science Collection 01 Abstract | Babylonia | Astronomy – Scribd

https://www.scribd.com › document › Ba…

by Rumen Kolev A COLLECTION of writings from 2000 – 2010 …. DECODING of the TARTARIA TABLETS By Dr. Varna.22May-15 June 2008

3. Keith Massey,

November 21, 2008 http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

” Here is Quadrant I:

The semicircle struck me as a probable moon symbol. But what does a moon represent? A reasonable option is to make a moon stand for the number of days in a lunar cycle. As i sat there, I wasn’t sure myself of what a lunar cycle is exactly. I knew it was something short of 30 days. That led me to an intriguing possibility. What if the other inscription in Quadrant I is meant to also convey the number of days in a lunar cycle? What if Quadrant I is a sort of legend, showing the values that will be operative elsewhere? Now, the other inscription in Quadrant I appears to be three lines in a row with two lines pointing out in each direction.

Perhaps each line stands for 10 and the lines pointing out are meant to convey subtracting one or two days from that sum. That would theoretically bring us to the number 28 or 29, which isn’t far from the lunar cycle. Later at home with internet access, I was able to get the info that the exact lunar cycle is29.53 days. Now, I know what I just presented isn’t a slam dunk. I’m going to ask you to consider it, however, in light of how this hypothesis plays out on the rest of this particular tablet.”

Mr. Massey, women have cycles but moon has phases !

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                          This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions.                            =====

TARTARIA SQUARED TABLET (with hole) SUMERIAN APPROACH                                                             Image, from https://www.yourguideintransylvania.com/alba-iulia/

http://www.proel.org/index.php?pagina=alfabetos/tartaria

Aknowledgement                                                                                                                                        The signs on the tablet are close to:                                                                                                                – Sumerian (in wich have all the signs), and at some distance                                                                         –linearA/B and carian                                                                                                                                 Note                                                                                                                                                   Evangelos Papakitsos and Iannis Kenanidis allready noticed that Aegean proto-linear script is related to the sumerian-one. More, they suppose that early minoans settlers were sumerians.                                     There are some writing attempts, main sumerian-related decipherments  are that of A.Falkenstein, A.A.Vaiman and Rumen Kolev.         I made some posts with commentaries regarding their attempts.                   ——————-        CROSS DIVIDED TABLET      ————————                                       From Early Numeration – Tally Sticks, Counting Boards, and Sumerian Proto … https://www.sumerian.org/tallysticks.pdf                                                                                                  The Sumerian MAŠ sign with the word-meaning of ‘(male) goat‘ was a … a cross came to represent goats and sheep in the Near Eastern clay ..    https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                                                                                                                                             ————————————————————-

We have folowing signs
– upper side, those little three D/moon-shaped?-signs (No.2). The picture is from https://www.voceavalcii.ro/39794-decrypting-of-tartaria-inscription-part-2-rectangular-amulet.html

1.From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                     sign  3(N08)  This is number “3”; we have same signs but in a row, not column.                       Note If were disposed in an triangle would be “mountain/underworld)                         Upon Winn and Merlini, the signs could not represent numerals but Merlini”some kind of time recording”. Yes, time recording could be.The signs seem to be made in traditional proto-cuneiform technique , (by pressing).
me:—————————————————————–                                                                            2. In sumerian proto-cuneiform these kind of signs were used to mark numbers.Could not represent number 3 .                                                                                                                                                     3.  Not could be 30 .  30 was “ooo” ! Othervise 30 was related to sumerian time keeping (with the base 60), and reprezent a month (30 days in a month), but yhe sign month was an U(day) sign with  three DDD inside.
Sumerian used an specific sign for month, an sign wich couples the sign U (day) with the number 30. It is not this sign here. From http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/694/liberate-free-liberation    (in the middle)       From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.htm Note. In sumerian proto-cuneiform writing, there is only one instance in wich I found the sign D .Only in proto-cuneiform sign list (Falkenstein ATU 527).   Also as the very precursor of the signs, sumerian tokens (Denisse Schmand Besserat). Nobody knows or even not hypotethised what significance had that sign for by sumerians ! In the Denise Schmand Besserat paper the sign is in the cask/vessel/recipients column.

Table from (original table from Mrs. Schmand Besserat paper)

http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/the-mind/history-of-thinking/early-civilization/before-the-greeks/invention-of-writing.html https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pPRgG3Zp6wlZkYKAX-JwhybOHsPc8TZTVXT9KyQr8TEQ-XhA2xAMPfskJUORHeS8Zy3NoA=s170                                 See column IX sign “D” ! unknown meaning!                                                                                                                       ———————-                                                                                                                                  because on the tablet the signs are pointing to right >>> (not)                                                             As counting/ measures,:

? Sum. Sign GAR
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/GAR.jpg

Sumerian Beer – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative – UCLA.edu
https://cdli.ucla.edu/files/publications/cdlj2012_002.pdf
by P Damerow – the sign. GAR designated, in fact, daily rations of barley prepared for workers from a certain amount of grain. The grain was probably, in order to make it …As number, (number 1); 60? There were used 2 D-like signs (~imprinted~) little-ones for 1 and quite bigger-ones for 60/                                                                                                       From wikimedia commons File:Sumerian pre-cuneiform number system.gif

Sumerian Beer – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative – UCLA.edu
https://cdli.ucla.edu/files/publications/cdlj2012_002.pdf
by P Damerow – the sign. GAR designated, in fact, daily rations of barley prepared for workers from a certain amount of grain. The grain was probably, in order to make it …

——–    sign  DDD  ——–                                                                                                                                              The grain sign and those of units/portion must be related even because are close one of each-other.           From http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#u1230D_ESH_30                                      1230DU+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU₃ | SIN = moon

<<< My final rendering: Due of much earlyer using of numbers than for anything else, we could have, and due of the orientation/pointing, we have no 30/Moon, but :                                                                                         “DDD”:         “number 3”                                                                                                                      ————————–                                                                                                                                  same pic from Voceavalcii.ro :                     Near-by signs twig-like : >->->-         (No.1)                                        Merlini”tree of life /nature sprouting in three months“; no matter that in neighbouring Aegean was Cretan hierogliphyc 025 and in Linear A was the sign TE:”cereal”                           From Sumerian “sze/SE” “barley.grain” !!

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/signlist.php

ŠE niga, še

Image,  Sign and Image: Representations of Plants on the
Warka Vase of Early Mesopotamia https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=penn_museum_papers                                                            https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2jcZ3EWFaUiNXnhA9AWlpoSbdP9fJR8EtsUS7uw62XkFsxx27

My final rendering of this sign, taking acount that it seems to be figured out doubled: From    https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html    |SZE~a&SZE~a|                                                                                                                                        2xSZE=2xSE  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/%7CSZE~a&SZE~a%7C.jpg                                                                                          “CEREALS,GRAIN,BARLEY” ….and proposed reading, for all above signs :

“3 ratios of grain/barley” , but better:  “3days, one-man 3-day grain ratio”                                                         ——————————     Downward,
https://www.timesnewroman.ro/files/attach/images/stories/tartaria_greseala_gramatica.jpg                                                                                                                        

Note
See that both red-encircled signs.Every of them was ment to be read as such, isolates.   So coresponding to a separate single meaning for every sign.Not to form words by combining the signs.
This interpretation is the direct result of the fact that the signs are phisically isolated in kind of houses/boxes.
Y-like sign on the left, (No.3)

The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process by John A. Halloran PAPa@t PAP~a@t
From https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon
pab, pap, pa4: father; brother; man; leader
paþ[LUL]: leg.        pap: (cf., pab; pa4).                                                                                             ………….Or BAD ba9, bad, be

From A New Edition of the Proto-Elamite
Text MDP 17, 112 https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2015/cdlj2015_001.html

        §4.1.2. The precise meaning and function of N₂ in proto-cuneiform is not known. It has been suggested that N₂ in proto-cuneiform is the precursor to the sign BAD, with the later readings uš₂/ug₇ attested in the Ur III and Old Akkadian periods (Damerow and Englund forthcoming), including at Ebla (Butz 1981: 338), and in these later texts it is clear that it bears the meaning “sacrificed,” or in the case of humans, simply “dead.”

Figure 3: The Early Convergence of N2 and BAD.
SIGN > convergence>BAD,TIL,US,UG

Even if N2 is used to denote dead or sacrificed animals in the Uruk corpora, the evidence for this is weak and the texts themselves are inconclusive. It is more likely that N2 in proto-cuneiform denotes the entities it counts as “other” or “special.” The meaning “dead” may then have been later attributed to it due to the confluence of the N2/“TIL” and “BAD” signs.   ………………… I suggest that proto-Elamite N₂ was an independent development derived from proto-Elamite N₁ (which, along with the other basic numerical signs, was a direct borrowing from proto-cuneiform). Regardless of whether or not it was an independent development in proto-cuneiform and proto-Elamite, it is clear that N₂ was used to designate whatever it was used to count as “other,” or distinct from the usual or majority object being counted. In the case of proto-Elamite this could possibly indicate a difference in gender, in worker status, or in type or amount of rations to be received. In proto-cuneiform, perhaps N₂ indicated that a different type of grain was used to make the beer

https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon til: to be ripe, complete; to pluck; to put an end to, finish; to cease, perish (iti, ‘moon’, + íl, ‘to be high; to shine’ ?) [? ZATU-644 archaic frequency: 65; concatenation of 2 sign variants] .
tìla, tìl, ti: n., life (tu, ‘to be born’, + íla, ‘to lift, carry’).
v., to live; to keep alive; to survive (with -da-); to dwell; to be halted (singular stem; cf. sig7).

bad, be: to open; to let out; to go away; to be at a distance; to drive away; to separate, remove
(regularly followed by rá; cf., bara4 and semantics of bar) (open container with motion away from)
bàd: n., (city) wall [? EZEN archaic frequency: 114; concatenation of 3 sign variants] .
v., to climb, ascend.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Proto-cuneiform_sexagesimal_type_Sa.svg

Sumerian 1(one)=”dil”

Also on very upper side/extremity, in the middle “twoo  Y-like signs” . The closest shape is the sumerian sign BAD: http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf

BAD:”to open, diverge, die“

My reading of “Y”-sign is
BAD :”to go away; to be at a distance; to drive; to separate”; cease,perish                          (DEAD) MAN

_________ b o r d e r _______separation______ l i n e ____________

The folowing sign (N0.4), is much close to sumerian proto-cuneiform: AB .                                      Anyway, M.Merlini choose to have an absolute separate opinion to others (A.A.Vaiman,R.Kolev&al, included mine), and choose for :                                                         “a cup for collecting sacred liquid: !?   

From enenuru.net    Sign “UNU”                                                                                            This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:                          “unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple”                                                                                                                           From  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                                

  “AB”                                                                                                                                              Note There are other signs also for temple:                                                                                                                                       Sign reading:”temple,house”      

————————————————————————————————–                                            Next is folowing an “insect”-like sign, (……………as one my take the vertical line as the body and the rest as legs.) <No.5>

                                                                                               Merlini: If  remained at “tree of life“, yes a good rendering ! If a crypto-sign, “vegetal or solar sign” not as better as before.Luckily he remain at “full blossoming/holy twofold tree”
Note
This sign is also isolated,”boxed”
My first connexion or thought seeing so many spike-like lines was of:                                      AN
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/AN.jpg

an: n., sky, heaven; the god An; grain ear/date cluster (‘water’ + ‘high’).
v., to be high.
adj., high.
prep., in front.
Wich could be as long as AN sign contain a cross, and superposed other X-es totaling a number of 12 spikes.
Close could be also the sign: SZENNURa
(composed of 3 signs GISZ “wood”

But IS NOT cause of paralel couple lines(2×3)x2=also 12.Our sign has not couples of paralel lines.

I will change from reading AN sign:”sky, heaven; the god An “ ,to                                    cdli: Proto-Ea https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/lexical/proto_ea_sign.html                                     sze-nu-ur, szennur (GISZ/GISZ). 623, se-esz3, szesz. 516, sze-esz …

https://commons.wikimedia.org/…/File:Cuneiform_sumer_gi… Sumerian cuneiform sign GIŠ (meaning “wood“).

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Giszx(Din.Din)

From http://www.bibleorigins.net/AdapaAdamPicturesFishmen.html.                                         the Sumerian gis ges-tin ‘the tree of the drink of life,’ usually signified ‘the vine,’ ges-tin being ‘grape wine,’ but it may have primarily denoted ‘palm wine.’ “

Final reading: “sacred tree/tree of life”                                                                                            —————————————————————————-                                                                           Folowing, (also isolated,”Boxed”),a “cat/donkey-like head” sign <No.6>

  It is not proto-cuneiform DARA sign (goat)                               From Ancient to Modern: Archaeology and Aesthetics
https://books.google.ro Chi, Jennifer Y., and Pedro Azara, e
… Pennsylvania Sumerian Dictionary,” http:// psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index. html. … avatar for Enki’s boat is dara3, usually translated as “wild goat” with no further ..

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/…/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12&#8230;.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html DARA3~c

The sign is close to : UD5~c “female-goat” ?
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/UD5~c.jpg

                                                                                                                                                 Sumerian Lexicon – IS MU https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/…/Halloran_version_3.pdf de JA Halloran – ùz, ud5, ut5: she-goat

From DRAVIDIAN TOKENS, UBAID, AND ITS TRACES IN BALKANS
by Iurii Mosenkis https://www.academia.edu/10909671/Dravidian_tokens_Ubaid_and_its_traces_in_Balkans

“The first tokens (related to the Sumerian or pre-Sumerian hieroglyphs) which use began about 9,000–8,000 BCE in PPNA Mureybet in Syria and Ganj Dareh in Iranian Zagros. E. g., the token sign for ‘sheep’ (about 7,000 BCE) depicted as the cross might reflect the homonymy between the names of the Sun and sheep in Sumerian and Dravidian (Sum. uz, ud, ut ‘she-goat’, udu ‘sheep’ : Proto-Dravidian *jōḍ- ‘goat’ > Proto-Gondi-Kui *jōḍ- > *ōḍ-ā; Tamil, Malayalam utal. ‘ram, he-goat;’ Sum. utu ‘the Sun,’
ud ‘the Sun, light, day’ : PD *oT- ‘to burn’ > PND *od- or/and PD *uḍ- ‘to boil; hot);’”

I am not 100% for it cause our head is between squarre and triangle not so squarred as above sign, but our head is slightly much close to a down-pointed triangle, so much close to: AMAR  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/AMAR.jpg                       

amar: calf; young animal (áma, ‘wild cow mother’, + re7, ‘to accompany, plural’)
Eg. áb-amar: mother cow (‘cow’ + ‘calf’).?
Final reading of sign:                                                                                                                  AMAR: “CALF” https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vitellus Diminutive of vitulus (“a bull calf”).

No matter if bull-calf (for wich the sign is much close) or goat (we have on pictographic tablet a goat), the sign is related to SUN
——————————-b o r d e r———– l i n e —————————–
Folowing in right extremity twoo signs.
This one on upper side (above No.7).                                                                                      Merlini:”the rhomboidal sign could represent the vase for pouring out the blood of the sacrificed bull (who’s head is showned in the previous cell)“………..I’m so sorry….

The sign conducted me first to see an head with hornes,like a bull or goat.
If so, the head is seeing to right.>>>

Now I come back after surveyed entire tablet and I am confident to choose AMAR:”CALF”

Much likely was composed using folowing signs:HI
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/HI.jpg    

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf SAR2(HI):”to be numerous”

And twwo signs:BAR
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/BAR.jpg

From Sumerian Lexicon by John A. Halloran
https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon bar: n., (out)side; soul, innards; fleece [BAR archaic frequency: 306].
v., to open; to uncover, expose; to see; to remove; to be absent; to release; to peel, pare, shell; to select; to divide; to split; to distribute; to keep away                                                        Hi-  BAR BAR

Sumerian Chinese – Forgotten Books
https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/download/Chinese_and_Sumerian_1000130698.pdf
—. HI BAR,. ‘ spread out extended of a net and other things

(Reduplication means many and is enhancer)

The Class Reunion—An Annotated Translation and Commentary on the …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9004302107
J. Cale Johnson, ‎Markham J. Geller –
The habitual character of the action is thus represented by the reduplication in {bar-bar} in the Sumerian and the use of a habitual nominal stem in Akkadian.

Hi-Bar-Bar:”be numerous,multiply,SPREAD OUT”

I am stressing, don’t know if theyr actual devellopement stage was one of proto-cuneiform or begun using proper cuneiform signs obtained using ligatures !

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/png/LAGAB.png

And http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/png/LAL_TIMES_LAL.png
Two times LAL

We have the sign http://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Sign_List.html LAL2xLAGAL wich is read NIGIN and/or NANGA
饞嚦饞喐 饞嚦饞喐 LAL2.LAGAB
(NANGA,聽NIGIN5, NIMEN, NIMGIN5, NINGIN5, 艩UR6聽(MesZL: ?), USAR3, USUR3, U艩AR3, USAR3)
(ePSD;聽Akkadian Dictionary) 751+755 482+483

NIMEN,NIMIN (nis-min=20 x2=40)The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its History and …
https://edoc.site › the-sumerian-language-…
Descripción: The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its History and Grammatical Structure – Marie-Louise Thomsen… … kim ‘to change’ kar ‘to goltake away’ kud.r ‘to cut’ kdr ‘to act as an enemy, t o change’ kGi.6 ‘to be troubled’ 14 ‘to carry’ 1u.g ‘to swarm’ nigin ‘to wander
nigin ‘ to wander’ pad.1 ‘to live (sing. tar …
The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its Histor

nigin5, 7, 8, 9, nimen(3, 4, 5), nanga(2,3,4); naga district, province (Akkadian nagu(m) I, ‘region, district; coastal area (area litoranea)’[14
The End of the Dynasty of Nimrod-Enmekar (§§185-240)
http://www.christianhospitality.org › content
Heb. peleg = region and/or watercourse, Sumerian nanga, nigin or nishiga (or, nishima ), Akkadian nagu, nangu = region, or more specifically an irrigation region. (The …

psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/illl/html/Sign/Ea/Proto-Aa.htm [nigin5(LAL2xLAGAB)

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/signlist.php
LAL×LAL.LAGAB Borger: LAL2.LAGAB, Sign, niĝin5

http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf 121B8 LAGAB | niĝin2 [214x] = encircle, go around

The Early Stages of the Sumerian City at Tell Zurghul: New Results …
https://www.researchgate.net/…/321156232_The_Early_Stages_of_the_Sumerian_City_..theSumerian city of Nigin, the third city

Nero, etimo – Agorà Magazine
http://www.agoramagazine.it/index.php?option=com_k2…id&#8230;
… nigin (2). n., enclosure, circle; capacity;whole (cf., kilib and gur4-gur4) [NIGIN archaic frequency]. v., to halt, turn away; to turn round; to start over; to surround; to enclose ….. [5] John Alan Halloran, Sumerian lexicon, Los Angeles, Logogram

Now see how the head of the BULL(SUN) is consisten also with reading LAL2.LAGAB, Sign, niĝin5 :”to turn round; to surround; to enclose “ wich could be applied to the Sun.
http://www.christianhospitality.org/resources/6-days-creation-online/content/6-days-creation20.html

3. na-anNan(NISH2ni8-ishi)-ĝa = Nanga = Peleg. The unusual spelling of the name may be taken to indicate that the name read originally Nishiga (or Nishima) was pronounced later Nanga. (For nigin = nishima see ePSD s. nigin5, Lexical.) Heb. peleg = region and/or watercourse, Sumerian nanga, nigin or nishiga (or, nishima), Akkadian nagu, nangu = region, or more specifically an irrigation region. (The peculiar way the name is written, viz. with the signs na.an.gish[or:nish2].ni8[or:li].ish[i]-ma[or:ĝa], has led to the idea that the name is “Na-an-gish li-ish-ma” [“May he listen (lishma) joyfully (nangish)”], as nish2 is more commonly read gish, and ni8, more commonly read li.) The word nigin (otherwise nanga or nishiga etc.) is also written with the sign BULUG (in which case it means a boundary of a region or a boundary marker), Akkadian puluggu or pulukku, which is the same as the Heb. peleg. According to Genesis 10. 25, it was in the days of this patriarch that the “earth was divided,” which implies the creation of geographical (“earth”) regions, as well as the dispersion of tribes. The Hebrew root p-l-g means not only “divide (regionally)” but also “divide (linguistically).” Peleg means “(man of) different regions” and “(man of) different languages.” The historical context is the dispersion of nations and consequent confusion of language at the Shinar Tower.

OOOPS!…………….I have also NIGIN on the round tablet!

But if want my opinion,the sign is not a complex,ligaturred,composed-one because I am expecting that the writing pertain to pre-cuneiform fase in wich were used simple signs,So sufficient the sketch of the bull(head)
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The sign above No.7 Merlini:”the cup for worship that collects the sacred liquid”………..even much sorry….Mister Merlini is an outstanding story maker.

The same sign AB for “house,temple”
I wished to be and tempted to be https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

ZAG~c

Cause ZAG is meaning “shiny” as double-axe is.
SARGON PART
s-studies.0catch.com/DocRob/sargon/sargon004.htm
If Professor Waddell is right in identifying the “Sumerian Father-god” Zagg with the Cretan god Zeus (**2) he, too, offers a link between the Babylonian and Cretan religions. We have already seen that Sargon was perhaps sometimes called Zaggisi, (**3) so probably both Zagg and Zeus were mythological representatives of

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumercylinderseals.html
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PsPfyJHEKq4/UXHXOnKLSoI/AAAAAAAAY1w/IQzNvfDTisQ/s1600/ingot.jpg

mpressions of two cylinder seals (Sumer) and glyph of ‘ingot’. The person at the feet of the eagle-winged person carries a (metal) dagger on his left-hand, clearly demonstrating the link with this metalware catalog.
Note the one-horned bull below the person who has his foot on mountain-summit.
Sumerian sign for the term ZAG ‘purified precious’. The ingot had a hole running through its length Perhaps a carrying rod was inserted through this hole.

Bouth signs:

Up-> “Be numerous,multiply,SPREAD OUT”

Down-> “House”

By chance I found that those very signs we have, associated are signifying:

NERGAL~x
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/NERGAL~x.jpg

– But we have no the first sign this goat-shape even not shure at all that is depicted a goat-head,
– Think our sign is an made-assembled signs resulting an word

http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/329/nergal

I am convinced that Nergal is the netherworld aspect of the sun-god, on the basis of late mystical texts which I had looked at in the Erra thread.
There appears to be a connection between Nergal and Shamash. It has indeed been argued that the Mesopotamians saw them as alter-egos (Porada 1948, 47; von Weiher 1971, 26, 31), Nergal governing the underworld and Shamash the sky
Dalley mentions in Myths from Mesopotamia p. 283 that Nergal/Erra was the “patron of copper smelting”

This is the first time I have heard of this important point, as it would accord with the idea that Nergal is a god of fire…………. Nergal and his connection to mining

B E S I D E
! Nergal is quite opposite to first reading cause only at the begining was a pair of Sun-God Utu/Shamash is specific the Godd/ess of Mid-day sun,
Geschichte des Altertums: Erster Band. Zweite Hälfte. Die ältesten …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3734005736 – Translate this page
Eduard Meyer Ne-unu-gal „Herr der großen Wohnung“ für Nergal (ebenso später Amar-ut „Kind der Sonne (?)“ für Marduk, dingir-pa „Gott des Griffels“ für …
,later a God/ess of the underworld and DEATH !

Note
Despite the fact that I found the sign AMAR:”CALF” in the before section,when encountered that last horned-like sign, my mind was toward goat and some-how attached to GOAT (despite the fact that could be the head of a bull.Did not realised or thought)
Now I understand why combined sign BULL & HOUSE

The God Resheph in the Ancient Near East
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3161524918
Maciej M. Münnich -Sumerian lists of geographical names it would be better to translate it as “City/seat of the bull = Nergal” by analogy to the similarly constructed Sumerian names such as: SES.UNU’“ (Ur — seat of Nanna), MUSUNU“ (Zabalam — seat of inanna), UD.UNU’“ (Larsa — seat of Utu); see Katz …

Now I change my opinion from:
up= composed sign; downAB:”house” :50%
Reading them as a pair: N E R G A L :50%

To the opinion:

NERGAL~x
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/NERGAL~x.jpg

Now we have on entire tablet:

month portion grain
life tree CALF NERGAL
To open , let out

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/…/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf
sign evolution, that it goes from the proto drawings to the cool Sumerian …… amar-utu = MARDUK (bull calf of the sun god utu – northern hemisphere 12 day winter solstice celebration of.

Possible the tablet was ment and used in an fertility ritual.
The were giving grain offering and addressed to the Gods ? An (Sky-God) and Nergal (pair of Sun-God or underworld deity) ?

Even remain other second close-by possible interpretation of BAD sign with an reading :”drive/go away” or read as til: “to be ripe, complete; to pluck; to put an end to, finish; to cease, perish” ,”distress/death” reading in the situation there was encountered draught and famine folowed by people death.

Ooops!…apropos of double-axe and Nergal:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/serpent_tribe/serpent_tribe15.htm
THE AXE, IN SUMERIAN USAGES
“The God of Jupiter is the Lord of Magicians, MARDUK KURIOS of the Double-headed Axe.” – Necronomicon, p. 30 (AVON Edition).
Laurence Austine Waddell, in The Makers of Civilization in Race and History, (1929), sheds some light on the significance of the axe:
“The Double-Axe sign for the God Zeus in Crete also occurs as a sign for the god ZAG [1] in Sumerian. It is found in the inscription of Manis-Tusu’s grandfather; and it is obviously a fuller form of the diagrammatic axe-sign in Sumerian, which has the phonetic value of ZAG or SAG, and is defined as ‘axe, sceptre, two-edged sword.’ And significantly this axe-sign is a title in Sumerian of ‘The GREAT LORD’ (NAR-GAL) [Ner-Gal from his fatal smiting still later became the God of the Underworld.], a martial reflex of the Father-God ZAGG, SAKH, or SAX [2], i.e., Zeus, who became latterly the ‘God of War’ in Babylonia; and Manis’ father SARGON worshipped the weapon of the God ZAGG as we have seen.”

The both signs: that one above No.7 is for Bull and No.7 is for “temple,abode”

The TEMPLE,ABODE of the Sun-Bull, the house of Sun-Bull/Nergal,(Sun’s pair)

Note
Do not consider this work as an ultimate finding and interpretation.
When begun some years before my proposed goal was only : to proove and show that Tartaria Round tablet is containing proto?writing?.
Now the same goal with both tablets.I am not pretending at all an accurate reading. Schollars (sumerologists) could take and analyse the tablets and afteward give and show their opinion.