Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                          This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions.                            =====

TARTARIA SQUARED TABLET (with hole) SUMERIAN APPROACH                                                             Image, from https://www.yourguideintransylvania.com/alba-iulia/

Tartaria tablets


Aknowledgement                                                                                                                                        The signs on the tablet are close to:                                                                                                                – Sumerian (in wich have all the signs), and at some distance                                                                         –linearA/B and carian                                                                                                                                 Note                                                                                                                                                   Evangelos Papakitsos and Iannis Kenanidis allready noticed that Aegean proto-linear script is related to the sumerian-one. More, they suppose that early minoans settlers were sumerians.                                     There are some writing attempts, main sumerian-related decipherments  are that of A.Falkenstein, A.A.Vaiman and Rumen Kolev.         I made some posts with commentaries regarding their attempts.                   ——————-        CROSS DIVIDED TABLET      ————————                                       From Early Numeration – Tally Sticks, Counting Boards, and Sumerian Proto … https://www.sumerian.org/tallysticks.pdf                                                                                                  The Sumerian MAŠ sign with the word-meaning of ‘(male) goat‘ was a … a cross came to represent goats and sheep in the Near Eastern clay ..    https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                                                                                                                                             ————————————————————-

We have folowing signs
– upper side, those little three D/moon-shaped?-signs (No.2). The picture is from https://www.voceavalcii.ro/39794-decrypting-of-tartaria-inscription-part-2-rectangular-amulet.html

1.From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                     sign  3(N08)  This is number “3”; we have same signs but in a row, not column.                       Note If were disposed in an triangle would be “mountain/underworld)                         Upon Winn and Merlini, the signs could not represent numerals but Merlini”some kind of time recording”. Yes, time recording could be.The signs seem to be made in traditional proto-cuneiform technique , (by pressing).
me:—————————————————————–                                                                            2. In sumerian proto-cuneiform these kind of signs were used to mark numbers.Could not represent number 3 .                                                                                                                                                     3 Not could be 30 .  30 was “ooo” ! Othervise 30 was related to sumerian time keeping (with the base 60), and reprezent a month (30 days in a month), but yhe sign month was an U(day) sign with  three DDD inside.
Sumerian used an specific sign for month, an sign wich couples the sign U (day) with the number 30. It is not this sign here. From http://enenuru.proboards.com/thread/694/liberate-free-liberation    (in the middle)       From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.htm Note. In sumerian proto-cuneiform writing, there is only one instance in wich I found the sign D .Only in proto-cuneiform sign list (Falkenstein ATU 527).   Also as the very precursor of the signs, sumerian tokens (Denisse Schmand Besserat). Nobody knows or even not hypotethised what significance had that sign for by sumerians ! In the Denise Schmand Besserat paper the sign is in the cask/vessel/recipients column.

Table from (original table from Mrs. Schmand Besserat paper)

http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/the-mind/history-of-thinking/early-civilization/before-the-greeks/invention-of-writing.html https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pPRgG3Zp6wlZkYKAX-JwhybOHsPc8TZTVXT9KyQr8TEQ-XhA2xAMPfskJUORHeS8Zy3NoA=s170                                 See column IX sign “D” ! unknown meaning!                                                                                                                       ———————-                                                                                                                                  because on the tablet the signs are pointing to right >>> (not1230D U ESH 30 thirty SIN moon)                                                             As counting/ measures,:

? Sum. Sign GAR

Sumerian Beer – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative – UCLA.edu
by P Damerow – the sign. GAR designated, in fact, daily rations of barley prepared for workers from a certain amount of grain. The grain was probably, in order to make it …As number, (number 1); 60? There were used 2 D-like signs (~imprinted~) little-ones for 1 and quite bigger-ones for 60/                                                                                                       From wikimedia commons File:Sumerian pre-cuneiform number system.gif

Sumerian Beer – Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative – UCLA.edu
by P Damerow – the sign. GAR designated, in fact, daily rations of barley prepared for workers from a certain amount of grain. The grain was probably, in order to make it …

——–    sign  DDD  ——–                                                                                                                                              The grain sign and those of units/portion must be related even because are close one of each-other.           From http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#u1230D_ESH_30                                      1230D1230D U ESH 30 thirty SIN moonU+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU3 | SIN = moon

<<< My final rendering: Due of much earlyer using of numbers than for anything else, we could have, and due of the orientation/pointing, we have no 30/Moon, but :                                                                                         “DDD”:         “number 3                                                                                                                     ————————–                                                                                                                                  same pic from Voceavalcii.ro :                     Near-by signs twig-like : >->->-         (No.1)  Fig 3                                      Merlini”tree of life /nature sprouting in three months“; no matter that in neighbouring Aegean was Cretan hierogliphyc 025 and in Linear A was the sign TE:”cereal”                           From Sumerian “sze/SE” “barley.grain” !!



ŠE niga, še

Image,  Sign and Image: Representations of Plants on the
Warka Vase of Early Mesopotamia https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=penn_museum_papers                                                            https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2jcZ3EWFaUiNXnhA9AWlpoSbdP9fJR8EtsUS7uw62XkFsxx27 Image result for inanna proto cuneiform

My final rendering of this sign, taking acount that it seems to be figured out doubled: From    https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html    |SZE~a&SZE~a|                                                                                                                                        2xSZE=2xSE  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/%7CSZE~a&SZE~a%7C.jpg                                                                                          “CEREALS,GRAIN,BARLEY” ….and proposed reading, for all above signs :

“3 ratios of grain/barley” , but better:  “3days, one-man 3-day grain ratio”                                                         ——————————     Downward,
https://www.timesnewroman.ro/files/attach/images/stories/tartaria_greseala_gramatica.jpg                                                                                                                        tartaria_greseala_gramatica

See that both red-encircled signs.Every of them was ment to be read as such, isolates.   So coresponding to a separate single meaning for every sign.Not to form words by combining the signs.
This interpretation is the direct result of the fact that the signs are phisically isolated in kind of houses/boxes.
Y-like sign on the left, (No.3)Fig 3

The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process by John A. Halloran PAPa@t PAP~a@t
papatFrom https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon
pab, pap, pa4: father; brother; man; leader
paþ[LUL]: leg.        pap: (cf., pab; pa4).                                                                                             ………….Or BAD ba9, bad, be

From A New Edition of the Proto-Elamite
Text MDP 17, 112 https://cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2015/cdlj2015_001.html

        §4.1.2. The precise meaning and function of N2 in proto-cuneiform is not known. It has been suggested that N2 in proto-cuneiform is the precursor to the sign BAD, with the later readings uš2/ug7 attested in the Ur III and Old Akkadian periods (Damerow and Englund forthcoming), including at Ebla (Butz 1981: 338), and in these later texts it is clear that it bears the meaning “sacrificed,” or in the case of humans, simply “dead.”

Figure 3: The Early Convergence of N2 and BAD.
SIGN > convergence>BAD,TIL,US,UG

Even if N2 is used to denote dead or sacrificed animals in the Uruk corpora, the evidence for this is weak and the texts themselves are inconclusive. It is more likely that N2 in proto-cuneiform denotes the entities it counts as “other” or “special.” The meaning “dead” may then have been later attributed to it due to the confluence of the N2/“TIL” and “BAD” signs.   ………………… I suggest that proto-Elamite N2 was an independent development derived from proto-Elamite N1 (which, along with the other basic numerical signs, was a direct borrowing from proto-cuneiform). Regardless of whether or not it was an independent development in proto-cuneiform and proto-Elamite, it is clear that N2 was used to designate whatever it was used to count as “other,” or distinct from the usual or majority object being counted. In the case of proto-Elamite this could possibly indicate a difference in gender, in worker status, or in type or amount of rations to be received. In proto-cuneiform, perhaps N2 indicated that a different type of grain was used to make the beer

https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon til: to be ripe, complete; to pluck; to put an end to, finish; to cease, perish (iti, ‘moon’, + íl, ‘to be high; to shine’ ?) [? ZATU-644 archaic frequency: 65; concatenation of 2 sign variants] .
tìla, tìl, ti: n., life (tu, ‘to be born’, + íla, ‘to lift, carry’).
v., to live; to keep alive; to survive (with -da-); to dwell; to be halted (singular stem; cf. sig7).

bad, be: to open; to let out; to go away; to be at a distance; to drive away; to separate, remove
(regularly followed by rá; cf., bara4 and semantics of bar) (open container with motion away from)
bàd: n., (city) wall [? EZEN archaic frequency: 114; concatenation of 3 sign variants] .
v., to climb, ascend.


Sumerian 1(one)=”dil”

Also on very upper side/extremity, in the middle “twoo  Y-like signs” . The closest shape is the sumerian sign BAD: http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf

BAD:”to open, diverge, die

My reading of “Y”-sign is
BAD :”to go away; to be at a distance; to drive; to separate; cease,perish                          (DEAD) MAN

_________ b o r d e r _______separation______ l i n e ____________

The folowing sign (N0.4),Fig 3 is much close to sumerian proto-cuneiform: AB .                                      Anyway, M.Merlini choose to have an absolute separate opinion to others (A.A.Vaiman,R.Kolev&al, included mine), and choose for :                                                         “a cup for collecting sacred liquid: !?   

From enenuru.net    Sign “UNU”                                                                                            This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:                          “unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple”                                                                                                                           From  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                                

aba  “AB”                                                                                                                                              Note There are other signs also for temple:                                                                                                                                       Sign reading:temple,house”      

————————————————————————————————–                                            Next is folowing an “insect”-like sign, (……………as one my take the vertical line as the body and the rest as legs.) <No.5>Fig 3

                                                                                               Merlini: If  remained at “tree of life“, yes a good rendering ! If a crypto-sign, “vegetal or solar sign” not as better as before.Luckily he remain at “full blossoming/holy twofold tree”
This sign is also isolated,”boxed”
My first connexion or thought seeing so many spike-like lines was of:                                      AN

anan: n., sky, heaven; the god An; grain ear/date cluster (‘water’ + ‘high’).
v., to be high.
adj., high.
prep., in front.
Wich could be as long as AN sign contain a cross, and superposed other X-es totaling a number of 12 spikes.
Close could be also the sign: SZENNURa
szennura1 (composed of 3 signs GISZ “wood”

From archive.org › stream › ApproachesToSumerianLiterature › PiotrMicha…                      Full text of “Approaches to Sumerian Literature”
“including wood, plum (sennur),”

But IS NOT cause of paralel couple lines(2×3)x2=also 12.Our sign has not couples of paralel lines.

I will change from reading AN sign:”sky, heaven; the god An “ ,to                                    cdli: Proto-Ea https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/lexical/proto_ea_sign.html                                     sze-nu-ur, szennur (GISZ/GISZ). 623, se-esz3, szesz. 516, sze-esz …

https://commons.wikimedia.org/…/File:Cuneiform_sumer_gi… Sumerian cuneiform sign GIŠ (meaning “wood“).

https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html Giszx(Din.Din)

From http://www.bibleorigins.net/AdapaAdamPicturesFishmen.html.                                         the Sumerian gis ges-tin ‘the tree of the drink of life,’ usually signified ‘the vine,’ ges-tin being ‘grape wine,’ but it may have primarily denoted ‘palm wine.’ “


Final reading: “sacred tree/tree of life”                                                                                            —————————————————————————-                                                                           Folowing, (also isolated,”Boxed”),a “cat/donkey-like head” sign <No.6>Fig 3

  It is not proto-cuneiform DARA sign (goat)                               From Ancient to Modern: Archaeology and Aesthetics
https://books.google.ro Chi, Jennifer Y., and Pedro Azara, e
… Pennsylvania Sumerian Dictionary,” http:// psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index. html. … avatar for Enki’s boat is dara3, usually translated as “wild goat” with no further ..

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/…/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12&#8230;.

DARA3 ~ IBEX |durah (dara3) [89x] = wild goat, mountain goat | cf.

From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/signlists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html DARA3~c

The sign is close to : UD5~c “female-goat” ?

ud5c                                                                                                                                                 Sumerian Lexicon – IS MU https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2013/PAPVB_13/um/…/Halloran_version_3.pdf de JA Halloran – ùz, ud5, ut5: she-goat

by Iurii Mosenkis https://www.academia.edu/10909671/Dravidian_tokens_Ubaid_and_its_traces_in_Balkans

“The first tokens (related to the Sumerian or pre-Sumerian hieroglyphs) which use began about 9,000–8,000 BCE in PPNA Mureybet in Syria and Ganj Dareh in Iranian Zagros. E. g., the token sign for ‘sheep’ (about 7,000 BCE) depicted as the cross might reflect the homonymy between the names of the Sun and sheep in Sumerian and Dravidian (Sum. uz, ud, ut ‘she-goat’, udu ‘sheep’ : Proto-Dravidian *jōḍ- ‘goat’ > Proto-Gondi-Kui *jōḍ- > *ōḍ-ā; Tamil, Malayalam utal. ‘ram, he-goat;’ Sum. utu ‘the Sun,’
ud ‘the Sun, light, day’ : PD *oT- ‘to burn’ > PND *od- or/and PD *uḍ- ‘to boil; hot);’”

I am not 100% for it cause our head is between squarre and triangle not so squarred as above sign, but our head is slightly much close to a down-pointed triangle, so much close to: AMAR  https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/AMAR.jpg                        amar

amar: calf; young animal (áma, ‘wild cow mother’, + re7, ‘to accompany, plural’)
Eg. áb-amar: mother cow (‘cow’ + ‘calf’).?
Final reading of sign:                                                                                                                  AMAR: “CALF” https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vitellus Diminutive of vitulus (a bull calf).

No matter if bull-calf (for wich the sign is much close) or goat (we have on pictographic tablet a goat), the sign is related to SUN
——————————-b o r d e r———– l i n e —————————–
Folowing in right extremity twoo signs.
This one on upper side (above No.7).                                                                                      Merlini:”the rhomboidal sign could represent the vase for pouring out the blood of the sacrificed bull (who’s head is showned in the previous cell)………..I’m so sorry….

The sign conducted me first to see an head with hornes,like a bull or goat.
If so, the head is seeing to right.>>>

Now I come back after surveyed entire tablet and I am confident to choose AMAR:”CALF”

Much likely was composed using folowing signs:HI
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/HI.jpg    hi

http://enenuru.net/pdfs/SumerianFreq100_1500.pdf SAR2(HI):”to be numerous

And twwo signs:BAR
https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns/BAR.jpg bar

From Sumerian Lexicon by John A. Halloran
https://www.scribd.com/document/76183647/1800-Dicionario-Sumerio-Lexicon bar: n., (out)side; soul, innards; fleece [BAR archaic frequency: 306].
v., to open; to uncover, expose; to see; to remove; to be absent; to release; to peel, pare, shell; to select; to divide; to split; to distribute; to keep away                                                        Hi-  BAR BAR

Sumerian Chinese – Forgotten Books
—. HI BAR,. ‘ spread out extended of a net and other things

(Reduplication means many and is enhancer)

The Class Reunion—An Annotated Translation and Commentary on the …
J. Cale Johnson, ‎Markham J. Geller –
The habitual character of the action is thus represented by the reduplication in {bar-bar} in the Sumerian and the use of a habitual nominal stem in Akkadian.

Hi-Bar-Bar:”be numerous,multiply,SPREAD OUT”

I am stressing, don’t know if theyr actual devellopement stage was one of proto-cuneiform or begun using proper cuneiform signs obtained using ligatures !

http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/png/LAGAB.png lagab

And http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/png/LAL_TIMES_LAL.png lal_times_lal
Two times LAL

We have the sign http://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Sign_List.html LAL2xLAGAL wich is read NIGIN and/or NANGA
饞嚦饞喐 饞嚦饞喐 LAL2.LAGAB
(ePSD;聽Akkadian Dictionary) 751+755 482+483

NIMEN,NIMIN (nis-min=20 x2=40)The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its History and …
https://edoc.site › the-sumerian-language-…
Descripción: The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its History and Grammatical Structure – Marie-Louise Thomsen… … kim ‘to change’ kar ‘to goltake away’ kud.r ‘to cut’ kdr ‘to act as an enemy, t o change’ kGi.6 ‘to be troubled’ 14 ‘to carry’ 1u.g ‘to swarm’ nigin ‘to wander
nigin ‘ to wander’ pad.1 ‘to live (sing. tar …
The Sumerian Language, An Introduction to Its Histor

nigin5, 7, 8, 9, nimen(3, 4, 5), nanga(2,3,4); naga district, province (Akkadian nagu(m) I, ‘region, district; coastal area (area litoranea)’[14
The End of the Dynasty of Nimrod-Enmekar (§§185-240)
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Heb. peleg = region and/or watercourse, Sumerian nanga, nigin or nishiga (or, nishima ), Akkadian nagu, nangu = region, or more specifically an irrigation region. (The …

psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/illl/html/Sign/Ea/Proto-Aa.htm [nigin5(LAL2xLAGAB)

LAL×LAL.LAGAB Borger: LAL2.LAGAB, Sign, niĝin5

http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf 121B8 LAGAB | niĝin2 [214x] = encircle, go around

The Early Stages of the Sumerian City at Tell Zurghul: New Results …
https://www.researchgate.net/…/321156232_The_Early_Stages_of_the_Sumerian_City_..theSumerian city of Nigin, the third city

Nero, etimo – Agorà Magazine
… nigin (2). n., enclosure, circle; capacity;whole (cf., kilib and gur4-gur4) [NIGIN archaic frequency]. v., to halt, turn away; to turn round; to start over; to surround; to enclose ….. [5] John Alan Halloran, Sumerian lexicon, Los Angeles, Logogram

Now see how the head of the BULL(SUN) is consisten also with reading LAL2.LAGAB, Sign, niĝin5 :”to turn round; to surround; to enclose “ wich could be applied to the Sun.

3. na-anNan(NISH2ni8-ishi)-ĝa = Nanga = Peleg. The unusual spelling of the name may be taken to indicate that the name read originally Nishiga (or Nishima) was pronounced later Nanga. (For nigin = nishima see ePSD s. nigin5, Lexical.) Heb. peleg = region and/or watercourse, Sumerian nanga, nigin or nishiga (or, nishima), Akkadian nagu, nangu = region, or more specifically an irrigation region. (The peculiar way the name is written, viz. with the signs na.an.gish[or:nish2].ni8[or:li].ish[i]-ma[or:ĝa], has led to the idea that the name is “Na-an-gish li-ish-ma” [“May he listen (lishma) joyfully (nangish)”], as nish2 is more commonly read gish, and ni8, more commonly read li.) The word nigin (otherwise nanga or nishiga etc.) is also written with the sign BULUG (in which case it means a boundary of a region or a boundary marker), Akkadian puluggu or pulukku, which is the same as the Heb. peleg. According to Genesis 10. 25, it was in the days of this patriarch that the “earth was divided,” which implies the creation of geographical (“earth”) regions, as well as the dispersion of tribes. The Hebrew root p-l-g means not only “divide (regionally)” but also “divide (linguistically).” Peleg means “(man of) different regions” and “(man of) different languages.” The historical context is the dispersion of nations and consequent confusion of language at the Shinar Tower.

OOOPS!…………….I have also NIGIN on the round tablet!

But if want my opinion,the sign is not a complex,ligaturred,composed-one because I am expecting that the writing pertain to pre-cuneiform fase in wich were used simple signs,So sufficient the sketch of the bull(head)

The sign above No.7 Merlini:”the cup for worship that collects the sacred liquid”………..even much sorry….Mister Merlini is an outstanding story maker.

The same sign AB for “house,temple”
I wished to be and tempted to be https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html


Cause ZAG is meaning “shiny” as double-axe is.
If Professor Waddell is right in identifying the “Sumerian Father-god” Zagg with the Cretan god Zeus (**2) he, too, offers a link between the Babylonian and Cretan religions. We have already seen that Sargon was perhaps sometimes called Zaggisi, (**3) so probably both Zagg and Zeus were mythological representatives of


mpressions of two cylinder seals (Sumer) and glyph of ‘ingot’. The person at the feet of the eagle-winged person carries a (metal) dagger on his left-hand, clearly demonstrating the link with this metalware catalog.
Note the one-horned bull below the person who has his foot on mountain-summit.
Sumerian sign for the term ZAG ‘purified precious’. The ingot had a hole running through its length Perhaps a carrying rod was inserted through this hole.

Bouth signs:

Up-> “Be numerous,multiply,SPREAD OUT”

Down-> “House

By chance I found that those very signs we have, associated are signifying:


– But we have no the first sign this goat-shape even not shure at all that is depicted a goat-head,
– Think our sign is an made-assembled signs resulting an word


I am convinced that Nergal is the netherworld aspect of the sun-god, on the basis of late mystical texts which I had looked at in the Erra thread.
There appears to be a connection between Nergal and Shamash. It has indeed been argued that the Mesopotamians saw them as alter-egos (Porada 1948, 47; von Weiher 1971, 26, 31), Nergal governing the underworld and Shamash the sky
Dalley mentions in Myths from Mesopotamia p. 283 that Nergal/Erra was the “patron of copper smelting”

This is the first time I have heard of this important point, as it would accord with the idea that Nergal is a god of fire…………. Nergal and his connection to mining

! Nergal is quite opposite to first reading cause only at the begining was a pair of Sun-God Utu/Shamash is specific the Godd/ess of Mid-day sun,
Geschichte des Altertums: Erster Band. Zweite Hälfte. Die ältesten …
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3734005736 – Translate this page
Eduard Meyer Ne-unu-gal „Herr der großen Wohnung“ für Nergal (ebenso später Amar-ut „Kind der Sonne (?)“ für Marduk, dingir-pa „Gott des Griffels“ für …
,later a God/ess of the underworld and DEATH !

Despite the fact that I found the sign AMAR:”CALF” in the before section,when encountered that last horned-like sign, my mind was toward goat and some-how attached to GOAT (despite the fact that could be the head of a bull.Did not realised or thought)
Now I understand why combined sign BULL & HOUSE

The God Resheph in the Ancient Near East
Maciej M. Münnich -Sumerian lists of geographical names it would be better to translate it as “City/seat of the bull = Nergal” by analogy to the similarly constructed Sumerian names such as: SES.UNU’“ (Ur — seat of Nanna), MUSUNU“ (Zabalam — seat of inanna), UD.UNU’“ (Larsa — seat of Utu); see Katz …

Now I change my opinion from:
up= composed sign; downAB:”house” :50%
Reading them as a pair: N E R G A L :50%

To the opinion:


Now we have on entire tablet:

month portion grain
life tree CALF NERGAL
To open , let out

Sumerian Cuneiform English Dictionary 12013CT – bulgari-istoria
sign evolution, that it goes from the proto drawings to the cool Sumerian …… amar-utu = MARDUK (bull calf of the sun god utu – northern hemisphere 12 day winter solstice celebration of.

Possible the tablet was ment and used in an fertility ritual.
The were giving grain offering and addressed to the Gods ? An (Sky-God) and Nergal (pair of Sun-God or underworld deity) ?

Even remain other second close-by possible interpretation of BAD sign with an reading :”drive/go away” or read as til: “to be ripe, complete; to pluck; to put an end to, finish; to cease, perish” ,”distress/death” reading in the situation there was encountered draught and famine folowed by people death.

Ooops!…apropos of double-axe and Nergal:
“The God of Jupiter is the Lord of Magicians, MARDUK KURIOS of the Double-headed Axe.” – Necronomicon, p. 30 (AVON Edition).
Laurence Austine Waddell, in The Makers of Civilization in Race and History, (1929), sheds some light on the significance of the axe:
“The Double-Axe sign for the God Zeus in Crete also occurs as a sign for the god ZAG [1] in Sumerian. It is found in the inscription of Manis-Tusu’s grandfather; and it is obviously a fuller form of the diagrammatic axe-sign in Sumerian, which has the phonetic value of ZAG or SAG, and is defined as ‘axe, sceptre, two-edged sword.’ And significantly this axe-sign is a title in Sumerian of ‘The GREAT LORD’ (NAR-GAL) [Ner-Gal from his fatal smiting still later became the God of the Underworld.], a martial reflex of the Father-God ZAGG, SAKH, or SAX [2], i.e., Zeus, who became latterly the ‘God of War’ in Babylonia; and Manis’ father SARGON worshipped the weapon of the God ZAGG as we have seen.”

The both signs: that one above No.7 is for Bull and No.7 is for “temple,abode”

The TEMPLE,ABODE of the Sun-Bull, the house of Sun-Bull/Nergal,(Sun’s pair)

Do not consider this work as an ultimate finding and interpretation.
When begun some years before my proposed goal was only : to proove and show that Tartaria Round tablet is containing proto?writing?.
Now the same goal with both tablets.I am not pretending at all an accurate reading. Schollars (sumerologists) could take and analyse the tablets and afteward give and show their opinion.


  1. Geovasile Says:

    The roots of Sumerian hieroglyphic writing come from Vinca-Turdas writing. The Sumerian hieroglyphs look very close to those of Tartaria, but, do they have the same phonetic value? Do they have the same meaning? Nobody knows. The Sumerian language is NOT the language of Tartaria tablets. This is the opinion of most of the specialists. Trying to decrypt Tartaria tablets using the Sumerian key is a loss of time. Try to understand the papers sustaining the Indo-European language (Vedic Sanskrit) as Tartaria’s language.


  2. eugenrau Says:

    Nobody showed with hard evidence that – Tartaria tablets are older than proto-sumerian writing
    – Tartaria tablets or single Vinca artefact carry writing
    – Vinca culture get to proto-writing phase.
    Tartaria tablets carry proto-writing.Hieroglips are not used as nowdays letter, and cannot !
    Proto-writing is using proto-cuneiform signs.As pictograms an ideograms/logograms.Scientist say tha from the begining ideograms had attached some phonetics.But that’s all.Proto writing is not using a language as writing.Proto-witings are interpreted not read.Out of proto-writing one could extract only an general idea or meaning .


  3. eugenrau Says:

    Unii dau o varsta rupta absolut de realitate 5.300BC; Vlassa a apreciat 2.700 BC. Daca ar fi valabila ultima varsta, intreb care-i legatura intre tablite si civilizatia vedica “The Vedic period or Vedic age ( c. 1500 – c. 500 BCE”) pentru ca le despart 1.200-2.200 ani !!!


  4. geovasile Says:

    Vechimea tăblițelor este necunoscută. Metoda indirectă nu este de încredere și datarea nu este recunoscută de reprezentanții mediului academic, care susțin că tăblțele au fost aduse din Sumer de niște negustori în urmă cu 5000 de ani. Ca cercetător amator, eu trebuie să merg pe mâna academicienilor. Primul val de migratori indo-europeni din Kurgan a intrat în peninsula Balcanică după anul 4400 î.Hr. și era purtător al culturii indo-europene (limbă, religie, mitologie, astronomie astrologie). Aceeași cultură a fost impusă în India de către arienii vedici, un alt popor indo-european, care a păstrat cel mai bine cultura originală indo-europeană. Ca exemplu, lingviștii au declarat că sanskrita vedică este foarte asemănătoare cu limba indo-europeană și este chiar identică. Este un subiect în dezbatere în rîndul oamenilor de știință. Prin urmare, primii migratori indo-europeni in peninsula balcanică vorbeau acceași limbă cu cea indo-europenilor din Kuran, păstrată de arienii vedici. Dacă vechimea tăblițelor este de 5000 de ani, limba textelor trebuie să fie limba indo-europeană. Specialiștii au declarat că limba indo-europeană a fost vorbită de către toate triburile indo-europene, până în anul circa 3500 î.Hr., indiferent unde au migrat. Acesta este raționamentul meu. Migratorii din Kurgan au desființat culturile Cucuteni-Trypolie și Vinca-Turdaș, dar au preluat elemente de la aceste culturi agricole, printre care și scrierea. Cred că toate inscripțiile Vinca-Turdaș anterioare anului 4400 î.Hr. au folosit limba locală (vinciană), iar cele apărute după acest an folosesc limba indo-europeană.


  5. geovasile Says:

    Nimeni nu a demostrat că tăblițele Tărtăria sunt mai vechi decât proto-scrierea sumeriană (3300 î.Hr.), CORECT, dar nimeni nu a reușit să ofere o soluție de descifrare CORECTĂ a tăblițelor prin folosirea elementelor culturii sumeriene. Prin descifrare înțeleg o TRADUCERE exactă, grafemă cu grafemă, așa cum s-a procedat în cazul scrierii hieroglifice hitite. În opinia mea, tăblițele folosesc scriere hieroglifică și scriere pictografică. Pictogramele sunt cele trei din tăblița pictografică fără perforație, grafema nr. 6 de mai sus și capul de cerb din căsuța nr. 7 de mai sus. Celelalte sunt hieroglife (grafemă = hieroglifă sau pictogramă). Fiecare grafemă poate fi tradusă printr-un cuvânt. S-a afirmat că “tăblițele Tărtăria conțin o formă de proto-scriere”. Pentru că textele n-au fost descifrate s-a presupus că fac parte din această categorie – “proto-scriere”. Eu le-am descifrat printr-o metodă științifică. În opinia mea, la Tărtăria avem o scriere. Marco Merlini și Harald Haarmann au greșt în ceea ce privește vechimea tăblițelor, dar susțin ideea că aceste tăblițe conțin o scriere.
    De ce scrierea Vinca-Turdaș (Tărtăria) este asemănătoare scrierii sumeriene? A fost adusă scrierea sumeriană în Balcani și Carpați, sau scrierea Vinca-Turdaș a fost exportată în Orientul Apropiat? Cred că cea de a doua exprimare este cea corectă. Vincianii s-au retras din calea barbarilor indo-europeni după anul 4400 î.Hr. și au migrat spre sud in spațiul egeean și mesopotamian, unde au dus cu ei scrierea. Sumerienii s-au stabilit în sudul Mesopotamiei imediat după anul 4000 î.Hr., unde au găsit scrierea Vinca-Turdaș. Au preluat ideea de scriere și o parte dintre grafeme, dar le-au atribuit semnificații diferite, după religia și limba lor.
    Există autori care susțin că grafemele Tărtăria sunt simboluri, care pot fi interpretate, dar nu reprezintă o scriere. Prin urmare, dilema “a fi sau a nu fi o scriere la Tărtăria” este în dispută în rândul oamenilor de știință. Depinde de noi “biciclistii” (amatorii) cu cine “votam”, după propriile noastre informații și opinii.
    Studiul de mai sus este interesant și bine documentat. Schimbul de opinii pe care l-am început îmi este util pentru lamurirea unor întrebări. Unde pot găsi pe Net detalii despre scrierea sumeriană proto-cuneiformă?


  6. eugenrau Says:

    Au reusit o interpretare corecta 3+1 : cativa de care stiu: A.Falkenstein, A.A.Vaiman, R.Kolev+ eu !toate interpretarile sant reliv clare, atat cat pot fi pentru proto-scriere si asemanatoare intre ele. Au la baza semnele proto-cuneiforme sumeriene care se regasesc aproape in totalitate pe tablite.


  7. eugenrau Says:

    Nu stiu ce sa spun pentru ca limba greaca este undeva la baza trunchiului IE si totusi s-a facut simtita prezenta doar cu scrierea Linear B, 1.500 BC iar limba minoica si scrierea Linear A nu reflecta o limba IE, de fapt toti se dau de ceasul mortii si nu au gasit limba desi cunoasc scrisul, 80% ca si cel Linear B.


  8. eugenrau Says:

    Au reusit mai multi cercetatori de top ai scrierii sumeriene in general si ai scrierii proto cuneiforme in special, sa ofere o solutie de descifrare.Este vorba de exemplu de A.Falkenstein, A.A.Vaiman si Rumen Kolev. Retineti ca nu putem vorbi de traducere si citire decat in cazul scrierii propriu-zise (caz in care este utilizata o limba).In cazul proto-scrierii putem vorbi numai de o interpretare. Interpretarea extrage un inteles mai general si inexact decat citirea. Culmea e ca interpretarile acestor cercetatori se suprapun in cea mai mare masura (itre ele dar si cu a mea). Nu se poate vorbi de o scriere Vinca-Turdas ci numai de scriptul/scriptura Vinca Turdas, care este de fapt numai o colectie de semne. Tablitele de la Tartaria nu fac parte din scriptul Vinca-Turdas. Semnele de pe tablite sant sau mai bine zis reflecta in cea mai mare masura semnele sumeriene proto cuneiforme. In spatiul sumerian in principal sau gasit mii de tablite cu proto-scriere (semne proto cuneiforme) , iar in spatiul Egeean si Danubian niciuna (tablitele de la Tartaria fiind o exceptie, un gen de unicat)
    cdli.ucla.edu › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns proto-cuneiform signs
    Proto-Cuneiform: Earliest Form of Writing on our Planet
    Proto-cuneiform [CDLI Wiki]
    The Invention of Writing :: Proto-Cuneiform in the Uruk Period …www.projectglobalawakening.com › proto-cuneiform-u..
    accounting in proto-cuneiform – Cuneiform Digital Library …
    Cuneiform.org Origin of Cuneiform and Proto Cuneiform
    (PDF) Proto-Cuneiform and Sumerians, RSO 87 (2014), 277 …
    (PDF) The Origin of Writing and the Proto-Cuneiform …

    Click to access Nissen__1986__Archaic_Texts.pdf


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