Gobekli Tepe have the characteristics of a true civilisation ?


From archaeological point of view, every archaeological place with own characteristics, not matter age is a civilisation, e.g. Natufian, Vinca. From a post: God and the Sun: The Writing at Göbekli Tepe By Robert M. Schoch, with Catherine Ulissey

<< Traditional historians and archaeologists have often pointed to three major distinguishing characteristics by which one can identify true civilization: 1) Monumental stone architecture, 2) Settled urban (city) life, and 3) Writing. Prehistoric is often equated with a society being pre-literate; if they do not have any written inscriptions or records, then they do not have a true recorded history and are both pre-historic and pre-civilized. Furthermore, according to conventional status quo thinking, writing was first invented just prior to around 3000 BCE in Sumer and Egypt; therefore, we can date the onset of true civilization to this time. However, over 6000 years earlier in Northern Mesopotamia we find the incredibly sophisticated site of Göbekli Tepe. Many mainstream historians are hesitant to apply the label of true civilization to the builders of Göbekli Tepe, but why? Despite monumental architecture and possible urban settlements, the best argument, for those researchers who would deny the title of true civilization to the creators of Göbekli Tepe, is (or was) that they apparently did not have any form of writing. However, the latest evidence has completely changed this notion and demands that even the skeptics must rethink the when and where of the origins of civilization.>>

With this criteria, my opinion is contrary that of Mr. Schoch,

1) Monumental stone architecture, YES 2) Settled urban (city) life, and NO (only slight traces) 3) Writing. NO (only a rudimentary script+collection of signs, not reached proto-writing stage) Not accurate Mr. Schoch statement apparently did not have any form of writing.(e.g. proto-writing is a stage before true writing !)

OVERALL RESULT = Not a true civilisation. …..

But I found something very interesting:  << Now, through the insight of my colleague, Dr. Manu Seyfzadeh, we do have a potential context and comparison for the symbolic notation found at Göbekli Tepe. As Dr. Seyfzadeh noted, some of the symbols at Göbekli Tepe are remarkably similar to the Anatolian Hieroglyphs (also referred to as Luwian and/or Hittite Hieroglyphs) used in the same general region (modern Turkey) millennia later. Is this purely coincidental? We think not. Indeed, we published a technical paper pointing out some major similarities between the Anatolian Hieroglyphs and the symbols carved on some of the Göbekli Tepe pillars (Manu Seyfzadeh and Robert Schoch, Archaeological Discovery, February 2019, volume 7, pages 31-53). … The Anatolian Hieroglyphic inscriptions generally date to the second and early first millennia BCE (with many from the period of circa 1300–900 BCE). This is 8000 years or more after the construction of Göbekli Tepe, yet there are remarkable correlations suggesting that at least fragments of a writing system used by the Göbekli Tepe people survived and were incorporated into the system of Anatolian Hieroglyphs, in some cases with various modifications – which is quite understandable, and even expected, over such a vast length of time. >>

They (Schoch, Seyfzadeh) do not know, rather they pretend not to know and are not aware from my recent research in which I showed that a relatively large number of signs (12-20?) from Gobekli Tepe, I found them much closer to that period, (with 2,500 years closer) among the Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs.

And I am most proud of identifying the “T” sign of the pillars, as having the equivalent of the proto-cuneiform sign “Me”. It has a complex meaning in the sphere of the relationship man, society life, divine. http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/enlarge3/image_4996_1e-Gobekli-Tepe.jpg

Monumental round-oval buildings with their characteristic T-shaped monolithic pillars at Göbekli Tepe, Turkey. Image credit: Nico Becker, Göbekli Tepe Archive, German Archaeological Institute.

..But I think I need to come back with an essential correction. From what I begin to deduce, (in fact also others) society, the communities of Gobekli Tepe had a system and organization of an unprecedented level, comparable only (but far beyond) with the current Chinese and German.So the answer is rather this: Given the current signs, it seems likely that the human species will not reach such a level, whether we call it or define “civilization” or whatever you want, until its extinction on earth.

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