Tartaria tablets.What script and language is expected !?

June 27, 2018

1.EUROPE NEOLITHIC/BRONZE AGE WRITING LANDSCAPE

In neolithic, Vinca-Turdas culture developed toward writing slowly , step by step. On its own (independently) or influenced, by pressure of incoming migrating people waves. Pity, despite the fact that the social life was well, quite-high developed, the stage of organisation was not so high, at the level of those sumerian, egyptian or proto-elamite ones. Vinca culture become highly developed, but even in later Cucuteni-Tyripilia culture writing not reached the proto-writing stage. Not known or found exemples of writing from this later than Vinca cultures (my recollecction, not even of proto-writing) . Vincans missed another more 500-1000 years to reach proto writing and maybe later writing.The Vinca signs are pottery-mark signs, artistic and religious symbols, not much more.Tartaria tablets shows evidence of proto-writing, as using proto-cuneiform signs symilar or the same as proto-cuneiform sumerian. But out of Tartaria tablets (maybe + Gradeshnitza and +Dispilio tablet) we have no other examples.So they are isolates.(Not the same case with Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A/B where we have hundreds of tablets).So the tablets are not pertaining to a high=organised society wich reached the stage to fix and transmit elements of economic and and social life by meaning of writing.In other words they are not Vincan’s.                                                   They are coming from somewhere outside area.                                                                There is a gap between Vinca-Turdas signs and organised Tartaria tablets signs.    So or they were made by “fallen from sky” sumerians, (from wich we have in the tablets all the signs  from sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library), or much realistic (much close?) anatolian metal prospectors. Or finaly none of above, coming by some kind of economic-cultural exchange from Aegean area. Bringed by a ?farmers/metal-workers?family coming from Aegean/Cyclades area. The round tablet shows evidence and signs of a syllabary, (even alphabetic writing in upper half.)                                               —————————- from papers related to suject —————————————————                           me:  …..Suspect connexion of Aegean writings to those of Near-East .Clues,hipothesys, arguments: 

The Tartaria Tablets M. S. F. Hood  https://doi.org/10.1017/S0003598X00033032

The inscribed clay tablets (PL. XVIa) found in a ‘Neolithic’ context at Tartaria (FIG. 1) in Romania in 1961 have already aroused a certain amount of interest here. The signs on the tablets are comparable with those of the script of the Late Predynastic (Uruk III Jemdet Nasr) period in Mesopotamia, as Dr Vlassa who excavated them has noted. It seems unlikely however that the tablets were drafted by a Sumerian hand or in the Sumerian language of early Mesopotamia. The shapes of the tablets and some of the signs are paralleled in the Minoan scripts of Crete, but the tablets do not seem to be Cretan. There are indications that a similar use of signs, if not actual writing, was practised in the rest of the Aegean and in Western Anatolia before the end of the 3rd millennium B.C. A knowledge of writing, or the use of signs derived from it, may have spread to these regions and to the Balkans from Mesopotamia through Syria. This was perhaps one aspect of a common inheritance of religious or magical beliefs and practices. ============================================================================

From http://www.anistor.gr/index.html Anistoriton Journal, vol. 15 (2016-2017) Essays 5 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wIyjrlgkB-pTChOQSHfMneG9Q24e523fRqeFj46Wm4A/edit

   [5] After an idea since 1978 and almost 10 years of research, Kenanidis (1992) published (in Modern Greek) a study connecting the phonetic values of the linear scripts’ syllabograms to common or culturally important words of the Archaic Sumerian language, through the rebus principle. This study extensively refers to the Cretan Protolinear script, considering as the only survived samples of it three inscriptions on: a clay seal (Karageorghis & Masson 1968); a fragment of vessel with three syllabograms (Kenanidis 1992, p. 3) that is officially regarded as a Linear-B inscription; and a part of an Eteocretan inscription (Duhoux 1982, pp. 95-111: Illustration 27) that, because of its late construction (300 BC), its authenticity had to be argued for (Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015b).

[6] Weingarten (1994) argues for an administrative system in Crete (using seals and record keeping) that would have been directly imported from the Near East.

[7] Owens (1996) argues for the common origin of Cretan Hieroglyphs and Linear-A. Alternative approaches had been presented and commented in the recent past (Hooker 1992).

 

[8] Schoep (1999, p. 266) can not rule out the existence of a common ancestor for Cretan Hieroglyphics and Linear-A, based on the common signs. The two writing systems probably serve different needs (e.g. decorative and ritual vs. administrative).

[9] Glarner (2002) observes that many characters from Linear-A are identical to the archaic archetypes of the Mesopotamian Cuneiform. Yet, the relationship was rejected as impossible because of the large distance between the two areas (Mesopotamia and Crete). The rejection was very premature considering the next points:

▪ All that we know about the Sumerians is from what was written on the existing cuneiform tablets. There are hundreds of thousands of such tablets but only about 10% have been read so far (BAS-Library 2005; Watkins & Snyder 2003). There are still many thousands of tablets in the store rooms of museums but there are not enough experts to read them.

▪ Historical evidence written on the deciphered part of the existing cuneiform tablets was ignored: The tablets of Mari (18th century BC), stating that “the hand of Sargon” had reached places beyond the “upper sea” (Mediterranean) as far as the island of copper (Cyprus) and “Kaptara”, the most ancient reference to Crete (Strange 1982; Drandakis 1956); Before the era of Sargon the Great (24th-23rd centuries BC), the earliest reports extend the rule of the Sumerian kingdoms to the Mediterranean coast since the 28th century BC, during the reign of Meskiaggasher, king of Uruk (Jacobsen 1939). The same wide regional coverage appears during the reign of Lugalanemundu (2525-2500 BC), king of Adab (Guisepi and Willis 2003).

▪ The period of the Uruk expansion was not known (Sundsdal 2011; Algaze 2005a,b), while Kramer (1963) was also ignored: “...by the third millennium BC, there is good reason to believe that Sumerian culture and civilization had penetrated, at least to some extent, as far East as India and as far West as the Mediterranean, as far South as Ancient Ethiopia and as far North as the Caspian”.

Migration, a phenomenon as ancient, wide and intense as the human kind, is not adequately studied (for a discussion see: van Dommelen 2014).

[10] Castleden (2002, p. 100) observed that some signs of Cretan Hieroglyphics resemble symbols from a Mesopotamian script pre-dating cuneiform, suggesting that this writing system was imported from East.

[11] According to Fischer (2004, p.34), the rebus principle (see [5]) had been originally invented by the Sumerians. Their influence expanded to Indus Valley, Iran, Nile and probably Balkans (as he suspects and we argue for as well).

[12] Woudhuizen (2005) interpreted Linear-A as a linearization of the Akkadian cuneiform signs. This is supportive for the herein argument, since every sign in written Akkadian has a Sumerian origin. However, the natural process for a script is to evolve from pictorial signs (like the Sumerian pre-cuneiform) into non-recognizable forms (like the late cuneiform) and not the reverse (e.g. see: Karnava 2015). So, we make the reverse proposal herein: both the early Aegean scripts and Cuneiform were two evolutionary branches of the same trunk (Sumerian pre-cuneiform signs). The former branch followed an “analogic” path via drawn lines, while the latter a “digitalized” one (impressed strokes), thus starting to depict the icons in a more abstract and quick manner.

                                   2.SUPPOSED, EXPECTED LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE WICH SCRAPED THE TABLETS

“If” the tablets would have been old as expected (5.500B.C.) the language could be proto-Euphratean.If age is around 3.000 B.C. the language could be euphratean=sumerian. Not realistic to think that an sumerian speditioners group overun thousends of km/miles and reached Transylvania. But I looked close to those signs, and the tablets are not so old.The entire scientific comunity was fooled by supposed C14 age determination (5.500 B.C.!!) wich was not and cannot be done enymore.

An Introduction to the Study of the Danube Script Harald Haarmann and Joan Marler https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WHPWd9hJnGyi91BDQ6MA_wZ1KAuoaa60bt97VvwEoW8/edit

“As long as the absolute age of the tablets was undetermined and archaeologists dated the artifacts to the third millennium BCE, most of those scholars who engaged in the discussion were convinced that the signs inscribed on the Tărtăria tablets reflected a far-distant cultural influence from Sumerian civilization.”

Especially the round tablet shows evidence and signs of a syllabary, even alphabetic writing in upper half. But i am exposing you the folowing:

Oldest writing in Europe are Cretan hieroglyphic and Linear A. (2.200-1500 B.C.) Back to 1800 B.C. we could expect an Indo-European language as Mycenaean/Linearb=proto-greek language.

Olders ones than Linear B, wich are Cretan hieroglyphic and Linea A are UNKNOWN.There are many papers wich got partial simylarities with semitic family and Luwian, but not found an definite language.Now I am asking you:

IF CRETAN HIEROGLYPHIC AND LINEAR A ARE USING  UNKNOWN LANGUAGES ( SOME-HOW WICH SHOWS TO BE RELATED TO SEMITIC, LUWIAN AND GOD KNOWS WHAT OTHER LANGUAGE ), OLDER THAN THIS FORM OF PROTO-GREEK=LINEAR B, THEN                                                    WHAT LANGUAGE COULD SOMEBODY EXPECT FROM TARTARIA TABLETS (?3200-1800B.C.?)  ? 

 —————————- from papers related to the suject —————————————————   

From Anistoriton Journal, vol. 15 (2016-2017) Essays 1  Cretan Hieroglyphics The Ornamental and Ritual Version of the Cretan Protolinear Script   https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#inbox/164454be0ed39a2d?projector=1&messagePartId=0.1

“There are many proposals about the underlying language or languages of Linear-A, because of the difficulty to recognize the conveyed languages, since they are very poorly known and neither the script is known, although reasonable speculations are possible from the comparison to Linear-B and the Cypriot Syllabary (Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015a). These proposed languages are:

▪ the Semitic/Akkadian (Woudhuizen 2005; Gordon 1981),

▪ the Proto-Aeolic (Tsikritsis 2006; Anistoriton 2001),

▪ the Pelasgian/Proto-Ionic (as an Indo-European one closely related but not identical to Proto-Greek, see: Owens 2007, 2000; Faucounau 2001),

▪ a Proto-Indo-European (Hicks 2005),

▪ the Luwian (Woudhuizen 2005, 2002; Brown 1992-1993),

▪ a non-Greek language closely related to Hittite (Davis 1964, p. 106),

▪ the Lycian (Kazansky 2012) and

▪ several different languages, making use of an originally Sumerian script (Papakitsos & Kenanidis 2015; Kenanidis & Papakitsos 2015a; Kenanidis 2013, 1992). Some more proposals can be also found, concerning other languages like the Etruscan (Perono Cacciafoco 2014).”

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/#3                                                                   John Younger (jyounger@ku.edu)                                                                                           Linear A Texts & Inscriptions
in phonetic transcription & Commentary

<< Linear A has not yet been demonstrably linked to any known language family.

“The languages which have been used for comparison are of two families: Indo-European, especially an Anatolian language such as Luwian (Palmer, Meriggi [and Ed Brown of UNC-CH]); Semitic (Gordon, Best, and others)… First no inflexional forms such as characterize Indo-European or Semitic languages can be clearly demonstrated, hence the identifications depend largely on vocabulary, which is notoriously easily borrowed. Secondly, the Semitic comparisons are mainly with triconsonantal roots — yet if the vowels are ignored we are leaving out half the information presented by the script, and thus much decreasing the chances of success. Thirdly, if the languge of Linear A does not belong to a well-known family, then the chances of identifiying it are virtually nil. This is not to say that Linear A remains undecipherable; as more documents are found and published, we shall understand more of it. But I doubt very much if speculation at this stage can help; I feel strongly that is likely to belong to an unfamiliar type.” (Chadwick 1975: 147)

If Crete was deliberately colonized in developed Neolithic, probably from SW Anatolia (Broodbank & Strasser 1991), it would seem logical to surmise that the Minoan language could be related to one of the Indo-Hittite dialects, most probably Luvian. >>                       —————————————————————————————————————————-

eugenrau: THE SAME WAS THE CASE AS VINCA PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED COMING FROM (?SW?) ANATOLIA !                                                                                                                                 ……………………or even from far  Cilicia-Levant(Syria) I would say (A priori, no language attested in the third or second millennium from the eastern Mediterranean or its surrounding areas can be excluded […] the languages spoken by people from the coasts of Asia Minor or Syro- Palestine must be favoured.

See:

Cretan Hieroglyphs http://www.ancientscripts.com/cretan_hieroglyphs.html             Bronze Age Crete was home to the powerful seafaring civilization known to the modern world as the Minoans. As the first literate culture of Europe, the Minoans employed not one but two related writing systems. The more commonly known system is Linear A due to the rectilinear shape of its symbols. The second system, more ancient but less well-known and even less understood, is called Cretan Hieroglyphs.Most early writing systems have their origins in iconographic systems and likewise.                                   Cretan Hieroglyphs most likely evolved out of non-linguistic symbols on sealstones from the late 3rd and early 2nd millenium BCE. Cretan Hieroglyphs was the first writing of the Minoans and predecessor to Linear A, which in turn gave rise to Linear B and Cypriot. Cretan Hieroglyphs remains undeciphered as no interpretation is widely accepted. One impediment to decipherment is that the seal texts are short and the sign sequences relatively formulaic, which means little the same problem preventing the decipherment of Indus Script. It is possible to compare its signs to Linear A and Linear B signs and produce a syllabic grid, but since the underlying language is unknown, few words aside from accounting terms and place names can be distinguished. Cretan Hieroglyphs’ language was certainly not Greek, the language of Linear B.

SEMITIC LINEAR A INSCRIPTIONS https://cryptcracker.blogspot.com/2016/09/semitic-crete.html

This is a supplement to CRETO-SEMITICA

The Kaptarian logo-syllabary of Crete (Linear A)

Kaptar was a name applied to Crete in the Bronze Age; it was Kaphtor in the Bible (Caphtorim were from Caphtor, Deuteronomy 2:23; Philistines came from Caphtor, Amos 9:7; ditto, Jeremiah 47:4), Kptr in Ugaritic texts, and Keftiu in Egypt.[1]

SEMITIC INSCRIPTIONS FROM CRETE

by CH Gordon – ‎1984

SEMITIC INSCRIPTIONS FROM CRETE by. CYRUS H. GORDON. New York University

That Nero is credited with
knowing that the non-Greek native language of Crete was what we
would now call Northwest Semitic, ties in with the decipherment of
Eteocretan as Northwest Semitic.
The evidence for the linguistic character of Eteocretan must come
from the Eteocretan inscriptions themselves. Fortunately, the script is
for the most part the standard Greek alphabet, ranging in shape from
archaic letters that are close to their Phoenician forms, to the familiar
uncials of Hellenistic times which are just about the same as those in
modern Greek typography.

Eteocretan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eteocretan_language

(/ˌtiˈkrtənˌɛt-/ from GreekἘτεόκρητες Eteókrētes, lit. “true Cretans”, itself composed from ἐτεός eteós “true” and Κρής Krḗs “Cretan”)[2] is the non-Greek language of a few alphabetic inscriptions of ancient Crete.                                                                        In eastern Crete about half a dozen inscriptions have been found which, though written in Greek alphabets, are clearly not Greek. These inscriptions date from the late 7th or early 6th century down to the 3rd century BC. The language, which is not understood, is probably a survival of a language spoken on Crete before the arrival of Greeks and is probably derived from the Minoan languagepreserved in the Linear A inscriptions of a millennium earlier.

Were the ancient Minoans of Crete Semitic? Did they speak a Semitic language?  https://www.quora.com/Were-the-ancient-Minoans-of-Crete-Semitic-Did-they-speak-a-Semitic-language

There is one more approach to the Minoan language. Several classical texts refer to a non-Greek people living in Crete in classical times: the so-called Eteocretans (i.e. “True Cretans”) who might be identified with the pre-Greek Minoans. These Eteocretans allegedly dwelt in Praisos on Crete, and from this town come a handful of inscriptions (from memory from the 4th century B.C. — I have not checked this!) written with Greek letters, but self-evidently not in the Greek language. The inscriptions are utterly unintelligible. They could conceivably be written in a language descended from the Minoan language, but this is only a guess. Nothing in these inscriptions can be linked up with something in the Linear A documents, so, for now, this too appears to be a scholarly dead end.

Ultimately the Minoans remain an enigma. If we could ever read the Linear A documents, we would know a lot more about them, including obviously what language they spoke. For the foreseeable future, however, the Linear A texts, along with the Eteocretan ones, are unintelligible with the exception of the group of two signs to indicate “total”.

 

CONGRATULATIONS, RUMEN KOLEV !

June 4, 2018

There is a paper of a bulgarian scientist RUMEN KOLEV :

ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев http://www.su-varna.org/izdanij/Magazin%201%20conf/Pages%20from%2046%20to%2053.pdf

 This is the only paper I know, wich by far go strait as to proove that we have writing in Tartaria tablets, in fact icon/ideographic writing= proto writing. Also he comes close to my conclusions on my sumerian aproach.  But pity, he choosed :

  • not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering, >> =sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close.                                      All thes green underlined are common with mines !
  • Folowing picture at the origin from Mr.Marco Merlini studies. http://static.actualdecluj.ro/uploads/2015/02/tartariasuprapuse.jpg

 Either don’t know why 

  • he not took the tablets separately and choosed to get mix them and sign meanings reading them only as beeing superposed.   
  • Finaly I not grasp his understanding: 
  • Mr. Merlini correctly observed that the tablets are made as to being carried/worn together around neck.In this situation the squared-one is covering uper side of that round-one. And not without reason.The writer intended that the covered message not to be seen by passer-by, probably is mystic-related and has a degree of power upon subjects on wich rituals were performed.Or used in rituals wich interfered with the people’s course of life or destiny.
  • So I do not understand at all why Mr. Kolev choosed to read in the first time (and only !) the visible mesage, not realising that the covered mesage could have a paramount importance !?

The sacred cryptograms of Tartaria.Coments on Marco Merlini’s article.

May 31, 2018

The Sacred Cryptograms from Tărtăria: Unique or Widespread Signs …

http://www.academia.edu/…/The_Sacred_Cryptograms_from_Tărtăria_Unique_or_Widespr&#8230;

 

 

Note

There is a paper of a bulgarian scientist RUMEN KOLEV :

ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев http://www.su-varna.org/izdanij/Magazin%201%20conf/Pages%20from%2046%20to%2053.pdf

 wich go close to my conclusions of my sumerian aproach, but he choosed not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering&gt;&gt;=sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close.                                      All this green underlined are common with mines !

 Either don’t know why he not took the tablets separately and choosed to get meanings reading them only as beeing superposed.     

 
I am admiring the monumental efforts and researches of this schollar in the large field of Vinca-Turdas 
 

Civilisation and especially those focussed on the supposed “Vinca writing”. My congratulations ! No Romanian 

spend more time and efforts on this field.Nor had more results.One to be noticed is Alex Imreh.

An italian is using and depassing  german-style and methods. Either in perseverence, acuracy, sharp-

reasoning or whatever you want.

The M.Merlini paper is very inciting. I wish would coment every line of it.

but must follow every line and not have sufficient time to follow and make comments on them.

So my first short comments are:

– You got in a kind of maze when compare Vinca Civilisation library of signs with Vinca (Tartaria tablets)

supposed writing signs.

 Talking of magic rituals is intersting but not of effective great help when  discuss is getting to 

writing signs and writing.Information could be transmited in many ways in proto-writing but only

 when are transmited words is proper-writing.And those ways cuould be mixed in intermediate 

phases of writing developement.

 

-Do not realise that Vinca civilisation realised the aproaching steps to writing but generally remained 

at those much earlier phases of writing.

Earlier phases than those of the tablets (5-6.000 BC for Vinca signs oposed/compared to say 3000-1500 BC

for Tartaria tablets writing).

– Hope you realised but not explained to people enough what is proto writing.The Vinca civilisation used 

mostly elementary signs (wich part of them could be or not abstractised signs for some notions) and ones 

wich could go to ornaments .You or someone else cannot  proove definitely that even come to the 

stage of proto-writing, (as to use icons and ideograms to express ideas ). If you can proove that, I am 

waiting one concrete case explained.Could be no your or someone-else guess or personal idea but that exemple 

must be agreed and accepted by anyone to wich are exposed the case. So strong and in a unique definite 

one way manner.So sound must be the interpretation.

-DEFINITION https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing writing represents language and emotions with signs 
and symbols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram cryptogram is a type of puzzle that consists of a short piece of encrypted text.[1] Generally the cipher used to encrypt the text is simple enough that the cryptogram can be solved by hand. there is no cypher here.



Not our case.IF THE READEAR DOES NOT KNOW THE RULE OF CRIPTING (CIPHER) NO EVER or nobody at medium level CAN READ.What the crap if the text suppose would be really cyphered !?

We have no proper cryptograms on Tartaria tablets so people could be in dissaray/derouted about your given paper title.

Not to beeing enough if we do not know the language of that supposed writing, nor the writing system what is missing now is the fact that the writing to be encrypted. “When nobody knows to write who knows to read?” as asked Mr. Napoleon Savescu.

You are not aware of the results when kept mixed and not fully explained the ideas of crypting a text with covering a text.The writer of tablets did not use an system to translate or hide the meaning.Only phisically covered the supposed writing/text.You realise the difference between cripting and covering.He/her (supposed writer) only phisically covered the thext wich is not CRYPTOGRAM(s) at all.
-Even if the information is available to everybody, I wonder why on Earth you not get close to :
– sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library (nor proto-elamite/Harappa proto-writing) 
– Anatolian writings ones, nor CARIAN, (even as we know of  many migration waves  between Anatolia and Aegean/Balcans).Not get close and compare Linear A signs or not talking of cretan hieroglyphic,archaic greek, anatolian,iberian venetic etruscan writings.
 
-not studied enough aegean  library of icons signs.You are telling of “clepsidra sign” ( I am sure you recognised our ancestors paramount sign ORION or LABRYS !?)
– You know old chinese/japanese  “ny” sign (sun) or old hebrew phoenician sign keth/heth/cheth or linear A/B pa3  or archaic greek Heta/Eta.
-Our common ancestors related to Vinca civilisation wich not dropped from  the sky. 
– You cannot relate Tartaria tablets signs to Vinca signs cause those are much earlier but why not compare anatolian (e.g. carian) old hebrew, iberian, venetic or other sistems of writing ? One could realise that have there all  needed signs? https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam6.jpg
 
– One think that a computer with whatever software can give better results than human mind?  Dat-Das comparison had very poor results (see percentages as 18%) ! You some-how passed-over old basic European. BALCANIC=AEGEAN areas ancient paramount-level signs. See Orion=LABRYS= Great Mother sign, supposed y-sign (see linear A/B cretan signs),W =Cassiopeia.  There is not much present the East, Aegean areas.You noticed  the Cycladic-type artefacts beside Tartaria tablets and not comented.

SMART DISCOVERY, (supposed mesage intentional covered);SOLE AUTHOR: MARCO MERLINI



If it is about magic and religion it is realy possible and we have many explanations at different levels for the fact that message to be hidden from view of the ordinary  passing-by people.

only individuals supposed to “charming” ritual had the right to hear the message.As to read….., you only could suppose in those times how many, in fact only few of them could read or understand the message/signs.

we could think of the tablets as a holy component  comparing with an portable altar.

If think as a component of a type of religion, as a church have an inner sanctum (begining with sumerians) so covered portion is the inner sanctum of the tablets.

– think of tablets and other objects used in ritual as greek used MAGIKA HIERA=”SACRED MAGIC”

Isis Magic : Articles : Isis and Magika Hiera – Hermetic Fellowship

Yes, this Great Egyptian Goddess is many other things, too—wisdom, power, … all these are magic, and specifically magika hiera, Greek for sacred magic.


On the ‘hiera’ of the Eleusinian Mysteries | Baring the Aegis

 

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WHAT COULD BE SACRED MESSAGE ON TABLET ??

 

exemple :

 

signs HP                                            Se

 

                                                       R b o c

 

HaR/HeR(os)                           SeRBOS=SERVOS

 

 

 

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Din What was the Proto-Indo -European religion like … This word comes from the root *xar-, meaning “to fit … *h2er “to assemble skilfully”, present in Greek harma …

 

PDFhttps://caio.ueberalles.net › Indo-Europea…
Chairs in Indo-European linguistics without particular ties to Sanskrit were created …. of chairs for Indo-European linguistics at universities. …… Cf. Proto-Gerrnanic ‘xar-ja- = Got.
 
http://biblehub.com/greek/5479.htm Cognate: 5479 xará (another feminine noun from the root xar-, “extend favor, lean towards, be favorably disposed”) – properly, the awareness (of God’s) gracefavorjoy (“grace recognized”).
And relation between servos and heros;
 

Etymology

From Serbo-Croatian Srbi, from Proto-Slavic *sьrbъ (ally, Serb, Sorb), from Proto-Indo-European *ser- (to protect, watch over); akin to Latin servo (I guard, I protect)Old English searu (weapons, armor)Lithuanian sárgas (watchman)Greek ἥρως (hrōshero),
 

BUT MORE, AND EQUAL INTERESTING

See

 

1.the stroke inside 1-st “D”  ?”i”?

2.vertical line from 2-nd “D” upwards    ?”b“?

 

signs
HP/HD             Di b o c
reading
Hede,ede (“this here”)                                            Dibos /deibos/deivos (=GOD!)

Heros/Hera (Lord,Lady)

dios – Wiktionary

Asturian Wikipedia has an article on: dios … Ladino dio), from Latin deus, from Old Latin deivos, from Proto-Italic *deiwos, from Proto-Indo-European *deywós.

Deus – Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Deus
Deus is Latin for “god” or “deity”. Latin deus and dīvus “divine”, are descended from Proto- Indo-European *deiwos, “celestial” or “shining



The truth about Macedonia: – Network54
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of The Indo-European words: Reeka, Ree, Rea and River …. We also know that Zeus is the Supreme God and’ rules’ the other gods on the tallest … as “qibos [5] = Dibos = divos” This has very close affinity to the Greek word qeios=qeos which .

 

 ALSO GOD=ZEUS,ZEU



“IF” Zoo=Zou=DDoo=DDou because of shift Z>>”DD”



Late Laconian dialect inscriptions and spoken Laconian in the Imperial Period …
www.academia.edu › Late_Laconian_dia…
… of Copenhagen – torerovskris@gmail.com 2.5.5 /d/ or /g/ + /i̯ / yields /dd/ in Laconian vs. Attic /zd/ or /dz/ – spelling vacillates between < ΔΔ> and <Ζ> since the Archaic period.



So, there are twoo posibilitiees to have written there the name of GOD !

 

 



 

 

Aion/Ion; Kogaion/Kugaion ;(dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

May 10, 2018

Aion/Ion; Kogaion/Kugaion, (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)


Asa cum veti vedea, numele stramosului mitic ION,al zeului timpului AION si acela al muntelui sacru KOGAION sant mult timp in spate legate istoric..KOGAION, AION si ION.Origini si legaturi lingvistice.Originea lor este mult departe inapoi in timp.
De exemplu sumerienii obisnuiau sa asocieze un termen zeilor si regilor.
Pentru zei, foloseau inainte de cuvant un semn ca o stea * ce insemna DINGIR:”zeu,ceresc”.Acelasi semn il aplicau si in cazul unor regi.Lingvistii de azi, cand traduc un text,inlocuiesc acest semn cu litera D pusa tot la fel inaintea cuvantului.
.Pentru regi acest semn avea rolul de a sublinia, scoate in evidenta  caracterul sacru asemanator-zeiesc .Denumirea sumeriana pentru rege era LUGAL:”LU-GAL”=”om-mare”.Ei asociau acestui Lugal=rege un termen care arata caracterul inalt,sacru al regelui.

Lu-gal  +Numele regelui + Kuga
om-mare+   Nume     + inalt,pur,sacru sau                                                                                   semnul*zeu,zeiesc“(lingvistii il inlocuiesc cu “D“)+nume+kuga

Ur-du-kuga – Wikipedia

Ur-dukuga, written durdu6-kù-ga, ca. 1767 BC – 1764 BC (short chronology) or ca. 1830–1828 BC (middle chronology), was the 13th king of the 1st dynasty of Isin and reigned for 4 years according to the Sumerian King List,


Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988 –
Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig

kug-a:”stralucitor”,regesc,sfant.
Pentru presupusul nume KOGAION care pare a fi un nume cumva distorsionat, acesta poate fi interpretat rapid ca si:

1.KUGA-ION :”Bunicul,STRAMOSUL-Ion”, pentru ca Lycianul Kuga inseamna bunic.
Dumneavostra veti intreba, si ce avem noi in comun cu Lyceenii?
*Se spune ca originea comuna a Latinilor deci a Romanilor si Romanilor este respectiv in Lidia pentru romani si Lycia pentru daci,romani.
Romanii gandeau si erau invatati la scoala ca ei provin din Lidia, stramosul Enea care a plecat dupa razboiul din Troia in Peninsula Italica si deasemenea ca stramosul lor era LUDUS
Romanii stiu ca dacii aveau cultul si venerau lupul.Lycos in greaca inseamna ca si lat.”luce” rom:”a luci” stralucitor.Denumirea lupului venea de la faptul ca baga groaza in oameni cu ochii sai care straluceau noaptea.

greaca:ION=”umblator” A-ION:”fix”
2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “templul,asezamantul,salasul sacru al lui Ion” pentru ca asemanator,
MUSAION, sau HERAION sant MUSA+AION, HERA+AION :”locul fix,templul lui MUSA(arte),sau asezamantul zeitei  HERA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon a fost muntele sacru al Daco-Getilor, locul unde Zalmoxis a stat intr-o pestera subterana pentru trei ani. Dupa disparitia in Kogaionon, el a fost considerat mort de catre geti dar dupa trei ani el a revenit la viata si s-a aratat poporului, care a devenit convins de rugile sale sfinte cand a iesit din Kogaionon. Strabo pretindea ca un rau cu acelasi nume curgea in vecinatate.
O traducere moderna Kogaionon ar fi “Muntele Sacru” care poate fi conexata cu un posibil cuvant Dacic kaga care inseamna sacru, cuvant atestat in doua inscriptii timpurii din Tomis.

ion,gr.”mergator,calator”, aion:”fix” aionon:”timp infinite,etern”
Astfel Kogaionon are doua intelesuri in acelasi timp.
koga-aionon :sacru-etern si templul sacrului-Ion sau mai degraba Zeul eternitatii, Aion.

Legaturi intre Aion si sumerianul Oannes:

Religion Before Adam – Lost History

lost-history.com/adam.php

A Babylonian priest named Berossus reinvigorated interest in the figure during the 200’s B.C., using the name of Oannes, a corruption of U-an, another name of …… He was also known as Aeon, a word used by Gnostics to describe the angel-like emanations of God, or in the oneness of God, such as the name Aion teleos, …

De fapt KOGAIONON nu este distorsionat pentru ca Koga este o dezvoltare lingvistica comuna in limbile Indo-Europene (dar nu numai):
GOGA &gt;&gt; KOGA.
Goga are originile in preajma regelui GUGU, cunoscut si sub numele de Gyges.
GUG/GOG este o radacina lingvistica Indo-Europeana care semnifica:”rotund,mare,inalt,umflat”
Deasemenea are intelesul de conducator (cu radacina I.Europeana “Ag”) : vezi DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”conducatorul poporului”
Relativ la Ion, a fost un stramos al popoarelor respectiv ca si ramurilor greaca si latina precum Pelegus (“pelasgian”) dar mult mai vechi.
Dar Ion are legaturi si cu sumerianul Oannes ,iar acesta prin particula AN cu “cer/zeu” sau cu zeul pamantului Enki (domn-pamant)
KUGA-ION este ca si  KUGA-AN care este gresit, nu pentru ca KugaAn este echivalentului zeului Azag, un zeu subteran asociat cu taramul mortii si moartea.In schimb  KUGA-an-na.
KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacru,pur-zeu,cer”
An(En) + An=Domn,zeu+Cer———————————————————————————————————
Nu avem numai lantul muntos GODEANU/GOGEANU                                                              (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?) GOG-ANu:”mare-ceresc”
Encyclopedia fiarelor si monstrilorin mituri,legende si folclor
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane
Variatii: TAURUL CERESC, Gugalana :Un taur monstruos din Sumerul antic, Gudanna (“un atacator”) a fost descris ca fiind gigantic si avand respiratia atat de otravitoare ca putea sa omoare deodata 200 de luptatori …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna
In religia Sumeriana, Gugalanna este primul sot al zeitatii Ereshkigal, regina lumii de jos.
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Azi avem printr-e popoarele din Asia kogea ; turk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”ceva (de dimensiuni?) anormal,excesiv de mari, foarte mare”
Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja
Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) este un titlu onorific folosit pe cuprinsul Orientului Mijlociu,Asia de Sud,Asia de Sud-Est si Asia Centrala in mod particular inspre invatatorii Sufi teach. Cuvantul vine din cuvantul iranian khwāja (Pharsi: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) si se traduce ca maestru,invatator,domn si in sens arhaic “nobil,gentleman”. Pronuntiile hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] sant de asemenea folosite. Numele este deasemenea folosit in Egipt si Sudan pentru a indica o persoana de o nationalitate straina sau cu origine straina.  Khawaja este deasemenea un supra-nume printre etnicii  Kashmir.
I found another root:https://books.google.ro › books
Allan R. Bomhard, John C. Kerns · 1994 · Language Arts &amp; Disciplines
Pokorny 1959:517-518 *kago-, *kogo-, -a- ‘ goat’; Walde 1927-1932.1:336-337 *qago-, * qogo-, -a-; Mann 1984-1987:459 *kag- ‘goat, kid, goatskin’; Gamkrelidze-Ivanov …


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May 18, 2015 · … the first element is probably cognate with hedge, which derives from PIE *kagh– ..…. 8000-9000 BCE) from the Zagros mountains and northern Mesopotamia , rather (hedge:imprejmuire,gard)
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*Nota
As vrea sa clarific niste lucruri, despre care nu stiu cum stau lucrurile de fapt.Nici cercetatorii de marca nu au clarificat aceste lucruri si au opinii diferite (si in legatura cu care eu am niste pareri si idei proprii):
1. Ce fel de oameni,markerul lor genetic si de unde au venit popoarele culturii VECHII EUROPE/Danubiene/Vinca-Turdas.
2.Cand, in cate valuri si pe ce ruta au venit popoarele Indo-Europene.
3.Daca Lycienii si Lidienii erau populatii native Anatoliei rude ale hititilor sau rude mai indepartate a sumerienilor.
4.Daca parte din ei au migrat inspre Europa sau a fost invers: o migratie timpurie a populatiei Danubiene inspre Anatolia (asemanator cum se presupune ca au fost Brugii&gt;&gt;Frigienii )
5.Cate valuri ale populatiei care au adus agricultura in Europa din Sumer sau Anatolia precum si cand.
6.Daca un numar relativ mic sau grupuri mici, familii de sumerieni sau Anatolieni au venit in Serbia si Dacia folosindu-se de prelucrarea metalelor ca indeletnicire primara si mai putin de abilitatile de agricultori.
7. Daca exista o legatura, a Dacilor, si in ce grad  cu popoarele Lycian,si al Gutilor (acestia din urma un popor din muntii Zagros, (care printre altele au cucerit la un moment dat Sumerul).
8.Care a fost exact relatia si legatura intre Danubieni si Egeeni.

Kogaion/Kugaion, Aion, Ion (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

April 27, 2018

Kogaion/Kugaion, Aion, Ion (dar numai in greaca:”Kogaionon” !)

Aion or Aeon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion_(deity)
God of Time, Eternity and Zodiac
Member of the Primordial Gods

Aion, god of eternity, in a celestial sphere decorated with zodiacal signs, between a green and a dismantled tree (summer and winter). Before him is the mother-earth Tellus (Roman Gaia) with four children, the four seasons personified
Roman equivalent Aeternitas

Asa cum veti vedea, numele stramosului mitic ION,al zeului timpului AION si acela al muntelui sacru KOGAION sant mult timp in spate legate istoric.                              KOGAION, AION si ION.Origini si legaturi lingvistice.Originea lor este mult departe inapoi in timp.
De exemplu sumerienii obisnuiau sa asocieze un termen zeilor si regilor.
Pentru zei, foloseau inainte de cuvant un semn ca o stea * ce insemna DINGIR:”zeu,ceresc”.Acelasi semn il aplicau si in cazul unor regi.Lingvistii de azi, cand traduc un text,inlocuiesc acest semn cu litera D pusa tot la fel inaintea cuvantului.
.Pentru regi acest semn avea rolul de a sublinia, scoate in evidenta  caracterul sacru asemanator-zeiesc .Denumirea sumeriana pentru rege era LUGAL:”LU-GAL”=”om-mare”.Ei asociau acestui Lugal=rege un termen care arata caracterul inalt,sacru al regelui.

Lu-gal  +Numele regelui + Kuga
om-mare+   Nume     + inalt,pur,sacru sau                                                                                     */D(zeiesc)-nume-kuga                                                                                                        Exemplu:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-du-kuga                                                              Ur-dukuga, written dur-du6kù-ga, ca. 1767 BC – 1764 BC (short chronology) or ca. 1830–1828 BC (middle chronology), was the 13th king of the 1st dynasty of Isin and reigned for 4 years according to the Sumerian King List

Fundamentals of Sumerian Grammar / Grundzuge der Sumerischen Grammatik
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1597522988 –
Arno Poebel, ‎K. C. Hanson ; kug-a „glänzend“, „rein“, „heilig

kug-a:”stralucitor”,regesc,sfant.

Pentru presupusul nume KOGAION care pare a fi un nume cumva distorsionat, acesta poate fi interpretat rapid ca si:

1.KUGA-ION :”Bunicul,STRAMOSUL-Ion”, pentru ca Lycianul Kuga inseamna bunic.
Dumneavostra veti intreba, si ce avem noi in comun cu Lyceenii?
*Se spune ca originea comuna a Latinilor deci a Romanilor si Romanilor este respectiv in Lidia pentru romani si Lycia pentru daci,romani.
Romanii gandeau si erau invatati la scoala ca ei provin din Lidia, stramosul Enea care a plecat dupa razboiul din Troia in Peninsula Italica si deasemenea ca stramosul lor era LUDUS
Romanii stiu ca dacii aveau cultul si venerau lupul.Lycos in greaca inseamna ca si lat.”luce” rom:”a luci” stralucitor.Denumirea lupului venea de la faptul ca baga groaza in oameni cu ochii sai care straluceau noaptea.

greaca:ION=”umblator” A-ION:”fix”
2.KUGAION, KUGA-AION, “templul,asezamantul,salasul sacru al lui Ion” pentru ca asemanator,
MUSAION, sau HERAION sant MUSA+AION, HERA+AION :”locul fix,templul lui MUSA(arte),sau asezamantul zeitei  HERA.

Legaturi intre Aion si sumerianul Oannes:                                                                                 The Book of God the Apocalypse of Adam-Oannes – Scribd https://www.scribd.com/document/…/The-Book-of-God-the-Apocalypse-of-Adam-Oann&#8230;

Oannes. is. also the. same. as. Sanconiathon’s Protogonos, or the First-born, as he was the first. heaven-sent Messenger and his wife : is. said to. have. been Aion, which. is. said to. mean the. first. v/ho found out. ihe food which. is. gathered from trees. — in other words she. The anvehicle of all the. was. skilled in horticulture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogaionon Kogaionon a fost muntele sacru al Daco-Getilor, locul unde Zalmoxis a stat intr-o pestera subterana pentru trei ani. Dupa disparitia in Kogaionon, el a fost considerat mort de catre geti dar dupa trei ani el a revenit la viata si s-a aratat poporului, care a devenit convins de rugile sale sfinte cand a iesit din Kogaionon. Strabo pretindea ca un rau cu acelasi nume curgea in vecinatate.
O traducere moderna Kogaionon ar fi “Muntele Sacru” care poate fi conexata cu un posibil cuvant Dacic kaga care inseamna sacru, cuvant atestat in doua inscriptii timpurii din Tomis.

ion,gr.”mergator,calator”, aion:”fix” aionon:”timp infinite,etern”
Astfel Kogaionon are doua intelesuri in acelasi timp.
koga-aionon :sacru-etern si templul sacrului-Ion sau mai degraba Zeul eternitatii, Aion.

de fapt KOGAIONON nu este distorsionat pentru ca Koga este o dezvoltare lingvistica comuna in limbile Indo-Europene (dar nu numai):
GOGA &gt;&gt; KOGA.
Goga are originile in preajma regelui GUGU, cunoscut si sub numele de Gyges.
GUG/GOG este o radacina lingvistica Indo-Europeana care semnifica:”rotund,mare,inalt,umflat”
Deasemenea are intelesul de conducator (cu radacina I.Europeana “Ag”) : vezi DEMAGOGOS:DEMOS-AGOGOS:”conducatorul poporului”
Relativ la Ion, a fost un stramos al popoarelor respectiv ca si ramurilor greaca si latina precum Pelegus (“pelasgian”) dar mult mai vechi.
Dar Ion are legaturi si cu sumerianul Oannes ,iar acesta prin particula AN cu “cer/zeu” sau cu zeul pamantului Enki (domn-pamant)
KUGA-ION este ca si  KUGA-AN care este gresit, nu pentru ca KugaAn este echivalentului zeului Azag, un zeu subteran asociat cu taramul mortii si moartea.In schimb  KUGA-an-na.
KUGA-AN-AN it is: “sacru,pur-zeu,cer”
An(En) + An=Domn,zeu+Cer———————————————————————————————————
Nu avem numai lantul muntos GODEANU/GOGEANU                                                              (GUD-ANU,Gudanna?) GOG-ANu:”mare-ceresc”
Encyclopedia fiarelor si monstrilorin mituri,legende si folclor
https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=0786495057 Theresa Bane
Variatii: TAURUL CERESC, Gugalana :Un taur monstruos din Sumerul antic, Gudanna (“un atacator”) a fost descris ca fiind gigantic si avand respiratia atat de otravitoare ca putea sa omoare deodata 200 de luptatori …….

Gugalanna – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugalanna
In religia Sumeriana, Gugalanna este primul sot al zeitatii Ereshkigal, regina lumii de jos.
——————————————————————————————————- Instead
Azi avem printr-e popoarele din Asia kogea ; turk Hogea rom.kogeamite :”ceva (de dimensiuni?) anormal,excesiv de mari, foarte mare”
Din https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawaja
Khawaja or khwaja (Arabic: خواجة‎) este un titlu onorific folosit pe cuprinsul Orientului Mijlociu,Asia de Sud,Asia de Sud-Est si Asia Centrala in mod particular inspre invatatorii Sufi teach. Cuvantul vine din cuvantul iranian khwāja (Pharsi: خواجه khāje; Dari khājah; Tajik khoja) si se traduce ca maestru,invatator,domn si in sens arhaic “nobil,gentleman”. Pronuntiile hodja or hoca (Turkish), খাজা (Khaaja) (Bengali), hodža(Bosnian), hoxha (Albanian), hodža (Serbian), hotzakis (Greek), hogea (Romanian), koja (Javanese)[1] and al-khawaja[2] sant de asemenea folosite. Numele este deasemenea folosit in Egipt si Sudan pentru a indica o persoana de o nationalitate straina sau cu origine straina.  Khawaja este deasemenea un supra-nume printre etnicii  Kashmir.
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*Nota
As vrea sa clarific niste lucruri, despre care nu stiu cum stau lucrurile de fapt.Nici cercetatorii de marca nu au clarificat aceste lucruri si au opinii diferite (si in legatura cu care eu am niste pareri si idei proprii):
1. Ce fel de oameni,markerul lor genetic si de unde au venit popoarele culturii VECHII EUROPE/Danubiene/Vinca-Turdas.
2.Cand, in cate valuri si pe ce ruta au venit popoarele Indo-Europene.
3.Daca Lycienii si Lidienii erau populatii native Anatoliei rude ale hititilor sau rude mai indepartate a sumerienilor.
4.Daca parte din ei au migrat inspre Europa sau a fost invers: o migratie timpurie a populatiei Danubiene inspre Anatolia (asemanator cum se presupune ca au fost Brugii&gt;&gt;Frigienii )
5.Cate valuri ale populatiei care au adus agricultura in Europa din Sumer sau Anatolia precum si cand.
6.Daca un numar relativ mic sau grupuri mici, familii de sumerieni sau Anatolieni au venit in Serbia si Dacia folosindu-se de prelucrarea metalelor ca indeletnicire primara si mai putin de abilitatile de agricultori.
7. Daca exista o legatura, a Dacilor, si in ce grad  cu popoarele Lycian,si al Guttilor (acestia din urma un popor din muntii Zagros, (care printre altele au cucerit la un moment dat Sumerul).
8.Care a fost exact relatia si legatura intre Danubieni si Egeeni.

ORION,Danubian Mother-Goddess sign, Labrys and Egyptian faith, possible connected?

April 22, 2018

BY FAR, SUN AND MOON WERE FIRST SECOND TO NONE, ASTRAL “THINGS” .                       ALL TIME IN THE FIRST PLACE !                                                                                        Folowing history and logics, hunting preceded agriculture by millenia.                             For the moment, don’t know what represented or what was ment in paleolithic or neolithic.Nor  when Orion was associated with “hunter” or hunting in different areas on Earth.                                                                                                                                             Image, from: earthsky.org/tonight/orion-the-hunter-your-ticket-to-the-milky-way.

For the moment don’t know exacly how the shape was related to Mother-Goddess, axe or a bow.We’ll see.  Interesting the Orion shape is prezent in Sumerian proto-cuneiform signs library: https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

 GA’ARb1       GA’ARb2

and sign ZAG(a,b,c)ZAG_aZAG_bZAG_c

http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Dictionary.pdf

 ZAG(the shine of metals). From http://thegiannagiavelliblog.blogspot.ro/2014/12/

From http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.ro/2011/07/last-of-nine-stroke-indus-signs.html      In proto-cuneiform also, there is nothing quite like the Indus set of signs with the “table” on top. But there is an element something like the “asterisk” portion, ZAG~b, which eventually means “boundary, cusp; place; shrine; front.”  This sign begins with the same “X” with additional strokes.  But there is also a horizontal line at the top and another at the bottom, closing in these ends.  Rather than resembling an asterisk, then, ZAG looks like an hourglass (or a version of the Indus BOWTIE rotated 90 degrees).

Proto-cuneiform sign ZAG~b, “boundary; shrine; front, etc.”

From:Cuina Turcului-a rock shelter in the Iron gates gorges of the Danube

 They say that here are depicted the earth and heaven and the fact that some-how are related.

From CALENDAR HOUSE http://ancientlights.org/CalendarHouse/ch7.html                   “Below, we see how Labrys and the Sacral Knot at times became one sign, which Marinatos (2010: 122) reads as “life” because of its similarity to the Egyptian ankh.

   

                                                               “Labrys in the sky” might not surprise us, but why fused with a Sacral Knot?”

Image, from https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/306385580879448679/  From Cyclades                                                                               me:”Mother Goddess sign” From Danubian area:                                                        http://danaela-foculsacru.blogspot.ro/p/firesc-ca-si-procesul-faceriibarbatului.html

Image result for neolitic cerul si pamantu

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Orion.htm                                               Orion / The First Constellation – http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?298090-Science-The-Oldest-Lunar-Calendar-on-Earth
“Michael A. Rappenglück in Germany has published exceptional research in which he proposes that astronomer-priests in European Upper Paleolithic cultures could ’see’ constellations in the night sky. They recorded those observations in cave paintings, on calendars and in sculptural art. Furthermore says Dr. Rappenglück, the astronomer-shamans of Magdalenian Culture created a cosmology and the first zodiac known to history.
These ideas were first presented in 1966, then in Dr. Rappenglück’s doctoral thesis in 1968. Dr. Rappenglück was not the first scholar of Upper Paleolithic European cultures to propose that astronomer-priests had found important constellations. Proposals of this sort had been published since the early decades of the 20th century. It is time to honor these researchers who are little known to the general public: Marcel Boudouin (France), Henri Breuil (France, early work at Lascaux), Amandus Weiss (Switzerland), Heino Eelsalu (Estonia), and Marie König (Germany).

Orion from Bayer’s “Uranometria” – 1603
Print *- Mouser / United States Naval Observatory / Wikipedia
Orion is the oldest and therefore the first constellation discovered by the human mind. The evidence is a carving on mammoth tusk ivory found with Aurignacian culture artifacts in 1979 in a cave in the Ach Valley, Alb-Danube region of Germany. C-14 dating of adjacent ash deposits brackets the age of this small sliver of mammoth tusk to between 38,000 and 32,000 B.C. Upon it was carved a man-like figure with outstretched arms, a pose that is a match to the stars of Orion, The Hunter.

Dr. Rappenglück has also suggested that the notches on the backside of this Orion figure are a primitive pregnancy calendar for predicting when a woman will give birth.
The tablet is 38 x 14 mm and the notches carved into its edges tell us that this is its final size. The tablet is not a fragment broken off from something larger. The Orion figure has arms raised and legs spread apart. Orion appears to have a sword hanging between his legs, and his left leg is shorter than his right leg. The slim waist of this tiny figurine of Orion would correspond to the bright stars of his belt in the constellation. The sword in this ivory figurine is the sword in the constellation of Orion. More telling perhaps is that the left leg in the constellation of Orion The Hunter is shorter than the right leg. ”          (My note: there were no swords in paleolithic….)

From the same above site,

Orion in the Neolithic Age

“The Ach Valley plate seems to demonstrate that interest in the Orion constellation began at a very early stage in human development, and thus it probably continued to remain important in the ancient mindset through till Neolithic times. This is when our ancestors gave up being hunters and foragers and settled down to become farmers and pastoralists, sometime around ca. 9000 BC. For instance, in Egypt’s Western Desert, at the site of a dry lake known as Nabta Playa, an 7,000-year-old megalithic structure was built to incorporate very specific astronomical alignments featuring the Orion constellation.

During the epoch of its construction, ca. 4950 BC, an observer standing inside Nabta Playa’s main “calendar” circle of standing stones could have watched Orion’s “belt” stars rise in line with distantly placed stone slabs erected specifically for this purpose. Their presence argues strongly that the Neolithic farmers who built this astronomical observatory, next to what was once a savannah-like oasis, were acutely aware that over time stars change their rising and setting positions due to the effects of precession. This is the slow wobble of the earth’s axis across a cycle of approximately 26,000 years. It is a surmise confirmed in the knowledge that when one outlying stone ceased to line up with the rising of a star, another would take its place, indicating an unfaltering interest in the stars of Orion across a very long period indeed.”                                                      ————————————————————-Now, if Orion constellation was the first humans took notice (I am for above reasoning)                          So my above title of the post is supported/could be sustained.                   (when I saw first time, and somebody showed me some constellations not seen any bear nor virgo or other things told me; 2 constalations were outstanding and impressed me: Orion and Casiopeia)

Now regarding the Danubian Earth Bird-Mother Goddess, the steps could be as follows:                                                                                                                                                     -Prehistoric Danubians thought that at the origin of all forms of life there are eggs.        So the human-kind originated from an primordial egg,  made by an ancestor-mother bird-like.                                                                                                                                       Image, from http://rolfgross.dreamhosters.com/Modern-Man-2012/ProtoEurope/ProtoEurope.html “Goddess of the
Birds”

Picture, from http://www.arlea-art.com/suvenir_en.htm “Early Mycenaean idol”

                                                                                                                                              -They admired the liberty of flight of the birds.Admiring them did’nt know why they are making V-shape formations and where they go.As they saw birds high-up in the sky, the abode of this creature was also in the sky.                                                                                  – Probably they connected winged shape of Orion constellation with butterfly in Cyclades and their Bird Earth-Mother Goddess in Danubian area. From https://ro.pinterest.com/ifairywings/minoan/?lp=true  https://www.pinterest.com/ifairywings/minoan/                                                          “Minoan Goddess with buterfly wings”

Also they equated female silhuette with this shape also.                                                                                                             -No wonder if they sought that the very abode of their Goddess is in Orion. It seems that if or not a matriarhal society, female Goddess (before coming of I.Europeans) was before/prevailed on manly hunter (I.European patriarhal-type society), but we don’t know for sure.

Folowing, Vinca-Turdas-Cucuteni Goddess, https://www.pinterest.com/pin/346214290084412750/

Image result for vinca bird-goddess

ETEOCRETAN. What? Why !? What have to do with our tablets?

April 21, 2018
  1. Here is not the place nor wasting your time explaining what is ETEOCRETAN                                2. Out of my intention to bother you or get to in a much complex situation. From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html :                 The sibilants                                                                                                                       Greek also did not have the range of sibilant consonants that the Semitic languages had, and the use and naming of these consonants shows confusion on the part of the Greeks. The old Phoenician alphabet has four sibilants:
    1. zai zeta whose sound was /z/. It was used from the start to represent a sound which varied in the Greek dialects thus: [dd] ~ [zd] ~ [zz] (see ‘Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters‘ below).
    2. semk semk whose sound was /s/. It is found in some of the archaic alphabets as an alternative way of writing zeta. It was later used in eastern Ionian alphabets to denote /ks/, but this usage is not attested in any of the archaic alphabets nor known in the alphabets of the western Greeks. The letter occurs in the Praisos #1 inscription and is discussed in the next two sections below.

      Phonemic Values of Archaic Letters                                            zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].                     

      In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found. But there appears to have been a tendency in Crete to devoice this combination as ττ is also found for standard Greek ζ; indeed, we also occassionally find actual /tt/ spelled ζ.

      For the above, see: M. Lejeune, Phonétique historique du Mycénien et du Grec ancien, Paris, 1972, pp112 sqq.; W.S. Allen, Vox Graeca, Cambridge UK, 1968, pp. 53 sqq.; C.D. Buck, The Greek Dialects, Chicago, 1955, p. 71 sq., and pp. 313 sqq. However, the letter zeta does not occur in any of the extant Eteocretan texts, so it may not directly concern us here, unless….

    3. semksemk is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities:
      • As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of zeta and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/.
      • It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant []].                         —————————————————————————————————-     That’s why, out of +++++ DDoo signs we could have: []…                                     1. Syrroo>syrrou :” of Syros,Syrian” as Hera Syrou:”Lady of Syros,or Syrian Lady”.Apropos of “Syrian Lady” this could be begining (sory about large time-ecart) one from A-SA-SA-RA to “Syrian woman” from Bible book wich supposed brought Christianism in Europe.                                   2. even Su(“your”) DDoo>DDou=DZOU. So to have not “kind of tetragrammaton” but TETRAGRAMMATON in 4 letters D D O O.        That’s why when get a string through both tablets (superpose holes ) the squared table cover the upper half text (fact noticed by Mr.Marco Merlini).So  the sacred name is hidden!
      • And we could have as entire half of the round tablet:
      • https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTffDJb0etLO9J16j4gr1-lF_bNB4DZURneRyT6jHPetGJe7v6h
      • Image result for archaic letter eta chethHistory of the letter h. The letter H may have started as a picture sign of a fence, as in very early Semitic writing used about 1500 BCE on the Sinai Peninsula (1). About 1000 BCE, in Byblos and other Phoenician and Canaanite centres, the sign was given a linear form (2), the source of all later forms. The sign was called cheth in the Semitic languages, which may have meant “fence.” The sound expressed by the cheth sign stood for a pharyngeal sound which is not found in the English language. The Greeks renamed the sign eta and used it in two functions—first for the consonant h and then for the long vowel e (3). The Romans took over the form H (4), with the sound value of the English h.
      • HP/HD? (Heta,consonant eta!/Eta)-Rho;     DDOO:                                                EDE DiDou! :”GIVE(us) EAT
      • HEROS,(Hera?) DiDou! :”LORD(Lady?) GIVE US(..daily bread) (the root
      • Note:*hed is common for edo,lat.gr.:”I eat” ede!:”eat!” edible etc. and alb.Ed lat.ede:”kid-goat!” hedus, gr. hedus pleasant,sweet)                           or:
      • HEROS DDOU/DZOU/ZOU/ZEUS :”LORD GOD-ZEUS
      • ……………….and now you see,understand why I took your time.Also hope understand  my obstination to use “our (Balkan)signs” not “their (sumerian) signs” 
      • Also you have kind of gift, as to see, 

        derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ]

      •  How the VERY INDO-EUROPEAN ROOT Di=”light” was transmited through time in the name of GOD                                                                                                                                              ———————————————————————————————-Ariel D.T. Stamped Amphora Handles from Tel Mikhal (Tel Michal …

        http://www.academia.edu/…/Ariel_D.T._Stamped_Amphora_Handles_from_Tel_Mikhal_T&#8230;

         I know of no attempt at determining an A significant number of stamps with an etarho internal chronology for this prolific fabricant, ligature have been published. … of similar—but circular—stamps as Samian, 1990:42, S96, 99–101). and maintained that the monogram stood for Hera or her sanctuary.

        The Temple of Apollo Bassitas: The architecture

        Frederick A. Cooper – 1992 – ‎Architecture

        heta-rho as B P, or Ionic etarho as HP. The distinction between long epsilon and eta is not to be taken as a chronological indicator but as a geographical one. The combined letters must then represent a word or name, irjp ,25 because there is no suitable ordinal or word denoting position. Hera or hero are possibilities, .

        Table of archaic Cretan alphabet of Dreros and Praisos  http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html

        Semitic name ᾽alf bēt gaml delt wau zai ḥēt ṭēt jōd kaf
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        alpha beta early gammalater gamma deltaalternative delta epsilon digamma zeta, (semk) eta theta early iotalater iota kappa
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        α β γ δ ε ϝ ζ η θ ι κ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        a b g d e w z ē i k
        Semitic name lamd mēm nūn semk ῾ain ṣādē qōf rōš šīn tau (wau)
        Archaic Cretan
        character
        lamba mu nu semk o pi san (not
        used)
        rho (not
        used)
        tau early ulater u
        Standard Greek
        transliteration
        λ μ ν ζ? ο π σ ρ τ υ
        Modern Roman
        transliteration
        l m n z? o p s r t u
      • Note                                                                                                                          Till nowdays the Di particle in the name of God scarcely remained as  “DD” :                                                                                                                         In sicilian, From: Complete List of Keywords www.dieli.net › Proverbs › ProvKeyWds  Ddiu n.m. God. Also: Diu. Ddò n.m. title, honorific
      • From https://books.google.ro › books
        Pasquale Scialò, Francesca Seller, Anthony R. DelDonna · 2015 · Music
        Furthermore, the word “dio” is pronounced [ ddìo]; “dio” also doubles in Neapolitan. ... indicate something significant while avoiding mention of the name of God), “Ddio” (God

LATEST CONCLUSIONS ABOUT TARTARIA TABLETS !

April 20, 2018

This is the result of my some 12 years of work. You must understand that I was many times in situations like to see in the depths of oceans the remains of the supposed Atlantida, also in half-awaken times  forgotten signs,sounds and words come to connect by itselfs. In one of the latest days the sky become cristal-clear, as one could see the tinest blinking stars, an I had a perspective, kind of overall wiew or landscape on entire matter. Hope not kind of illusion/fata Morgana!                                                                            ———————————————————————————————————————————-Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/2004509-first-civilisation-world-originated-balkans.html#ixzz5EFpnyKyJ                                                                                    The Danubian Neolithical cultures that makes the so-called Dabunian Civilisation (Vinca-Turdaș, Criș, Hamangia, Cucuteni, Gumelnița, Boian etc) were in fact the offsprings of migrations from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent toward Europe of early agricultors and the Vinca-Turdaș script, while the oldest system of writing in the world, didn’t developed in a large scale practice, there are no more than some hundreds discoveries of pottery shards and other pieces bearing (usually only one) such signs and the society wasn’t yet highly structured and hierarchized like the Sumerian one.                                                                                                                                And perhaps more important, the Vinca-Turdaș script was an isolated phenomenon, it disappeared with the end of this material culture (with some echos perhaps in the later Cucuteni culture).

From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-new-york-times-a-lost-european-culture-vlassa-tartaria-striga-istoria-sub-noi-oameni-buni/#comment-6635  :                           Sa nu ma atacati inainte de a trece o noapte.                                                                              Nu stiu exact cum s-a intamplat, insa doar oasele au fost datate cu C14.Rezultatul este ca 99% din cercetatorii din lume stiu ca tablitele au fost datate.In consecinta,toti acestia iau de buna varsta de 5200 BC.Mai rau este ca toti incep sa-si modifice teoriile legate de neoliticul European si despre istoria Scrisului.                                                                Varsta aceasta poate sau nu fi adevarata.                                                                                Insa toti ar trebui sa stie ca nu tablitele au fost datate ci numai oasele! In (forensic science) criminalistica vasta unui obiect nu se translateaza ca fiind aceeasi cu varsta unui alt obiect,chiar aflat in imediata vecinatate! Dupa cate am inteles in arheologie cand se poate cand nu, de cele mai multe ori da.Nu uitati ca in situl arheologic a fost haloimesul de pe lume.Nu s-a lucrat cf. tehnicilor actuale.asa daca ne gandim puteau pica din zeci de cm de mai sus.(Unii zic ca se lucra “la norma” si posibil Vlassa a luat tablitele din miile de obecte de-a lui Szofia Torma)Nimeni in lume si nicaieri nu a luat cineva vre-un pix in mana (cuneus) inainte de 3200-3500 BC.Nici macar ca sa faca tablite pictografice, darmite cu semne!                                                                                         Cu respect, ing. Eugen Rau Timisoara

I not agree the folowing!:The Hittites Quote:

Originally Posted by CARPATHIAN

The European population of Turdaș-Vinča culture discovered the writing and the metallurgy for the first time in human history and brought these discoveries to Mesopotamia where the Vinča Script was developed into the Cuneiform Script and the Sumerian culture has reached higher levels of development because of the hierarchization of society that brought the possibility of erecting imposing temples and cities.     ———————————————————————————————————–

regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions

Radiocarbon dating – is it applicable to clay? Where are the tablets now? —Ghirla-трёп- 04:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn’t. Radiocarbon dating may only be applied to organic artifacts. The original Tartaria tablets were of dried, unbaked clay. The Romanian scientists baked them in an oven, to avoid their decay, but any subsequent dating by thermoluminescence (which is the usual method for the age determnation of ceramic artifacts) became impossible.–Mazarin07(talk) 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The radio-carbon dating was performed not on the tablets themselves but on the bones with which they were found and with which they are presumed to have been buried. The article’s (currently) second external link is to a report dated 2004 of an investigation of the bones, tablets etc that dates the bones to a calibrated r-c span of 5370-5140BC. Incidentally, that report also corrects several of the original excavator’s incorrect assumptions which the article currently still contains. For example, the bones were not burnt, and are of an elderly female, not a male. I leave it to someone with more wiki-fu to study the report and update the article. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

– Now I am taking all the risks on me, for the folowing results of my assertion, and I am taking all my responsability as to say:

Even the tablets could be easily interpreted using quite large proto-sumerian sign library, wich permit to interpret and read the tablets in sumerian way, my conclusion wich push me or on top of the wave or get me completely drawned,

  • the tablets are not written in proper-sumerian even they could be related to.
  • they pertain to Anatolian->Aegean aerea
  • are not so old as supposed
  • some-how present knoledge of deep-in-time meaning of ancient basic issues by meaning of related icons (as mother earth=labryus=orion constellation) signs
  • have roots in ancient Aegean aerea;we have supposed refference points in ideas as Hera,Heros,Osiris,Sun and aster/star-related gods and deities.
  • The squared tablet is only reflecting by far those past ancient religious knoledge by meaning of direct-related icons.
  • there are signs that  signs on the tablets are related and folowing some-how the sounds as in rebus principle.
  • the tablets were not written in much or not so ancient time as supposed to be (out of any discussion even as a joke 5.200 B.C.)No one had in hand a cuneus/stick before 3.200B.C. even as to get some pictographic tablet.
  • If true, carbon-dating of the bones 5.200B.C. then the deceased had not much to do or related to tablets. ! In forensic no way to atribute the age of an object to another even when found near !
  • the supposed writer had in-depth knoledge of the meaning of the much, old-before time used icons.
  •  I suppose that the tablets writer had come from Aegean area, more exactly from the center of Cyclades (eg.Syros).Possible as an afteward Thera explosion migrant, but not 100% sure,cause there is posibility that only a bounch of Cycladic artefacts to be brought,not necessary the presence of a person from Cyclades.
  • the writer really could be kind of priestess and as consequence have knoledge of writing, (and don’t know why wanted to show or to learn somebody )the writing or human-kind knoledge evolution.
  • The squared tablet as,& the underside half of the round tablet it is not necesary and not sure that are containing specyphic direct-readable messages.
  • As Mr.Marco Merlini was first to notice the upper half of the round tablet was intended to be completely covered by squarred-one, this supposed to contain secret message or knoledge. + I am suposing as a true posibility that could contain the name of God in a form or another and as in Near-East the true name cannot be pronounced was hidden in kind of tetragrammaton!
  • So out of upper half of the round tablet all the rest of the signs in round and squarred tablet could be supposed  from a modern perspective seen close to redundant (not giving clear information!)and are containing general ideas/meanings.Exemple :sign in right-down quadrant,situated on left (red colour):”ALTAR”?. 
  • Tart RED
  • Image from http://www.donsmaps.com/cuina.html
  • 1 – Donja Branjevina, after S. Karmanski 2005, Plates XI, XXXIX, XLIII, XLIV, XLIX, LIV;
  • “IF” the tablets (only as a hypothetical situation !)  pertain to Minoan/Early Aegean area and coresponding period of time, situation will become increasily hard as to the point that one cannot understand  the written message even if one could read it, because the language is almost completely unknown yet.
  • in a such a situation we remain stacked in a point one cannot decipher  kind of hilly-billy /banana language ;named banana by linguists cause as in african or sumerian languages we  have repeated word parts as na-na in word ba-na-na or as –sa particle  in a-sa-sa-ra-me/goddess or I-na-na /sumerian goddess.
  • the good part in one reading attempt of those tablets is the fact that out of knowing in wich speciphic language were written,one could understand something because there are icons wich had tremendous important meanings and we know allready those meanings.
  • I advance the hypothesis that the language is early or even proper INDO-EUROPEAN, no matter one not be 100% sure what exactly is written or ment.
  • those ancient-ones were sufficient wise,had in-depth knoledge as to express as much as possible with the minimal number of signs/characters! Before they wrote something, it seems they had in mind a throughly planning in advance!  (this e.g.could be seen/true on Ezerovo ring where out of one uniterrupted row of letters, one could extract many meanings/variants, so even we have greek letters ,so now-time there is no one good scientific large-agree-attested reading!)
  • From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet
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  • Note                              
  • There is a paper of a bulgarian scientist RUMEN KOLEV :ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев http://www.su-varna.org/izdanij/Magazin%201%20conf/Pages%20from%2046%20to%2053.pdf

     wich go close to my conclusions of my sumerian aproach, but he choosed not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering&gt;&gt;=sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close.                                      All this green underlined are common with mines !

     Either don’t know why he not took the tablets separately and choosed to get meanings reading them only as beeing superposed.                   

Tartaria “SUN TABLET” (round) shows hardest to be read

April 15, 2018

TartRound

This tablet muddled/confused/puzzled me.And not only me.Because contrary of the first impression, as to contain/have many archaic greek letters, the matter is not so simple.

Yes, out of hieroglyphic/icon-like religion-related signs on right-downward quadrant and above the sign +++++ wich could mean 50 (supposed age of the woman writer) , many signs in the rest are found in archaic greek alphabet variants (epichoric greek variants).But even so,”Bow+Arrow” and “>>” signs on downward-left corner cannot be found in archaic greek.(But the last-ones are present in carian writing)

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Ancient Languages of the East Mediterranean. https://tied.verbix.com/archive/article9.html                                                                                                                            It is known from Greek sources that the Mediterranean shores of Asia Minor were inhabited by different peoples, whose origin was unknown by Greeks. Some think Pelasgians, pre-Hellenic population of Greece, came from Asia Minor, whether they were Indo-Europeans or not. The word Assuwa mentioned in Hittite sources, is the same as Greek Asia, that’s how Asia got its name. Another name for the people of Asia Minor is Ahhijawa which is for sure Achaeans, Greeks who are believed to settle on Asian coasts already since the 15th century BC. Later, when Hittites began migrating westwards, Lycia, Lydia and Caria were invaded by Anatolian-speaking peoples, Achaeans were made to go back to Aegean Islands and to Balkans.    

I cannot found all the signs only in twoo writing systems: sumerian proto-cuneiform sign library and in carian alphabets. Sorry enough the difference between those above writings is depassing 2.000 years (3.200 <visa>1.200). Even if the tablet could be read in sumerian,  some-how I am not sure if at a so long distance the writing could be transmited. Also I am sorry for Romanian archeologists if the tablet is written in an Anatolian writing, because the age would be not so great as they supposed to be (any case 5.200 B.C. is completely out of range) but not even touch the 3.000 B.C. age limit. Because of only twoo speciphic signs, bow-arrow and >>, wich I cannot find in any Aegean area, I must be constrained to left/get up the testing of the tablet in an Aegean writing system (Cretan hieroglyphic+Linear A/B).So at the same level with sumerian but in my mind with more chances there is the Anatolian writing, don’t know exactly wich but carian seem to gain more + -ses. What are the plus and minuses if carian writing occure on our tablet :                                                                                                                             + much related by historical/archeological points of wiew of Anatolia to Vinca-Turdas culture                                                                                                                                                      carian has many different alphabets (ones used in Egypt and others in Anatolia) in Anatolia were used more than 25 Anatolian alphabets.                                                                carian language is one of the less known and understood I.European languages                 signs and language combined are the mixed effect of having one  great mess one expect if attempt decyphering/reading.                                                                                                      In fact,                                                                                                                                                      – Caria was closest (as Lycia was ) to Cycladic/Aegean and Egypt.                                              – carians were navigators wich reached Egypt and paid as soldiers in some faraoh’s army.Map from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_cario                                                                                        Image result for caria

for carian language and writing see The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der … cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf

The Carian Language – Ignacio-Javier Adiego Lajara – Google Books https://books.google.com

 From https://www.omniglot.com/writing/carian.php you have the basic carian alphabet:

No.1

Carian alphabets – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carian_alphabets               The Carian alphabets are a number of regional scripts used to write the Carian language of western Anatolia. They consisted of some 30 alphabetic letters, with several geographic variants in Caria and a homogeneous variant attested from the Nile delta, where Carian mercenaries fought for the Egyptian pharaohs.

The Carian Language (Handbook of Oriental Studies/Handbuch Der …  cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/Books/Brill%20Ebooks/…/9004152814.pdf         which many inscriptions were written. Moreover, both the hypotheses on the origin of Carian letters envisaged here (p. 231) and the strongly differentiated local alphabetic variants point clearly to a much wider and prolonged use of Carian script.                                                                                                                       Hrozný and Hittite: Abstracts  https://www.ff.cuni.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Hrozny2015-Abstracts-Web.pdf – Ignasi-Xavier ADIEGO. (University of Barcelona).                                                                                                              One of the typically chaotic situations produced in Carian both by the singularity of the alphabet and by the scarcity of the documentation available is the so-called ”defective notation of vowels”: the fact that Carian writing tends to omit the notation of vocalic.

Other alphabets, No.2                                                                                                                                                   Table, from http://oldeuropewriting.blogspot.ro/
                                              No.3                                                                      Table,from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html
 
No.4                                                                                                                                                Table, from https://tied.verbix.com/project/script/asiam.html

So, let’s begin;

No.1 Quarter:

LOW-RIGHT

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My first and main interpretation of those twoo complex-signs is that there are  religious rituals related icons.                                                                                                                                Left sign, in red:

Tart RED

Out of supposed “altar with flames“icon, “if” we one suppose ligatured letters (or one upon another), could have:

Up:             E/U/Y/W ?                                                                                                                                 Down:       Delta,K,G,Ra

Eg,Ek,Ug, (Sumerian E-Ga:”it is”;Anatolian/I.E. Eg,Ek; Carian Uk:”I,me“) ED,EDe(“eat”)or ERa (“earth“)             Note.Found in opposite 180Deg. corner also Eta-Rho “ERA?”                                                         Right icon/sign (black): “astral deity“,”sun-abode” icon                                                                                                                     At the very top: Sidetian “N”                                                                                                   Middle:   B/L/G?                                                                                                                                       Down: A/L/D?                                                                                                                                     So: BAL/GAD? ( & combinations)

2-nd QUARTER

 

Upper-Right

The great difficulty is not arising from the sign +++++, but from the “D”-shaped signs!      D-shape signs appeared first in archaic greek alphabets (epichoric) and were used in different places for D in one place and as for R in another!                                                        ———————————————————————-                                                                            Sign +++++ : Carian:”SE” ; Para-carian “N” ; carian “Y”

D D o o : carian S S o o or                                                                                                                   carian S b o o                                                                                                                                     NyS ; NySSoo ? Nys=”Son” (as in  DioNYSSS “god-birth>born/son”?)

YSSoo > Yssou ?                                                                                                                             From: issa * iessou – Yogi Ramsurat Kumar http://www.yogiramsuratkumar.info/GauraKrishna/ISSA.pdf                                                    ISSA – IESSOU prémisses de l’âge nouveau, de prendre conscience que les enseignements des grands instructeurs de l’humanité sont un et que ce sont les hommes qui en ont perverti le message originel, caché et tu la réalité et, par tels ou tels conciles, passé au tamis l’essence de l’enseignement de JESUSet érigé de …                              

Pourquoi il y a deux appelations de jésus en arabe ? sur le forum …http://www.jeuxvideo.com/…/42-3005597-54377556-1-0-1-0-pourquoi-i&#8230;                                         en arabe qurayshite (la langue du Coran) c’est Issa et dans les dialectes arabes des autres chrétiens c’était Yassou

The Princeton Encyclopedia of Classical Sites https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1400886589 Richard Stillwell, ‎William L. MacDonald, ‎Marian Holland McAllister –.. The situation is an important one, on the route from Pamphylia to Caria. … Issa founded the emporia Tragurion (Trogir) and Epetion (Stobreč) on the Illyrian mainland.               ————————————————————————————————- If we have:                             Se                                                                                                                                                          R R o o        then: “SeRRoo”.This SER is an ancient very important root: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/ser-  

*ser-[1]

  1. to bind, to tie together
  2. thread            and in latin                                                                                                      Sermo, speech ; masc. Singular, Plural. N, ser’-mo ser-mo’-nes, G. ser-mo -nis, ser-mo’-num, D. ser-mo -ni, ser-mon’-l-buSy Ac. ser-mo’-nem, ser-mo^-nes, V. ser’-mo, ser-mo’-nes, Ab. ser-roo’-ne. ser-roon’-i-bus.

3-rd QUARTER

Up-LeftRAW

RoUp-Left2                                                                                                                                Left sign: para-carian “E                                                                                                                                     Right sign:carian “R”/”S”?        ES,Esu:”good,noble”?                                                                                            ER:”Earth/moove,get up?” (as in ERa,Hera);

From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/roots.aspx?type=Indo-European&root=es-                 es- To be. Oldest form *h1es-, zero-grade *h1s-.

From: Indo-European and the Indo-Europeans: A Reconstruction and …https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=3110815036 Thomas V. Gamkrelidze, ‎Vjaceslav V. Ivanov  Roots of this structure include the ancient IndoEuropean verbal roots *es‘be’, *et’- ‘eat’, *ekho- ‘drink’, *eph- ‘take, grasp’, *er– ‘move, get up’, *ei’go’. An initial laryngeal for … The IndoEuropean word for ‘good’ is traditionally reconstructed as *esu– (Gk. eris ‘good, noble, ell- ‘good, noble’ in compounds; Hitt. a.t”s’u- ‘good’).

If both :HeRa,Heroa SERmon:”binding saying= spell”?

4-th QUARTER

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Twoo upper-row signs: He and Re or I and D Downward sign, “L” ; so could have : HeRe (earth,earthen)(quite the same as upward) or HeRuL?  .Out of I-D-L :”I Do Lu/I Da Lu” :”statue,image”                                                                                                                        Anatolian *meyu- ‘4, four’ and its cognates – Journal of Language …http://www.jolr.ru/files/(18)jlr2009-2(65-78).pdf by A Kassian                                            Hitt. idalu– ‘evil’ ~ Luw. attuwal ‘evil’ (: Grk. ὀδύνη 

Tense and Aspect in Indo-European Languages: Theory, typology, diachrony https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=9027275971 John Hewson, ‎Vit Bubenik –                  (4) Denominative suffix -es in Hittite idalu “bad” idalaw-es “become bad” parkui “clean” parku-es “become clean” salli “big” sall-es “grow” mekki “plentiful” 

HERA thread/Sermon,Spell to overcome bad/evil ?                                                             Note that the first D=R has o stroke-like inside (i?) SeiRa/Gr.:”cord,thread” as we have threaded amulets,twoo in total with holes.

In fact we don’t know if D-signs are or could interpreted as D’s or R’s, (or the writer had knoledge of different interpretations),so we could have:

LEFT SIDE                                              RIGHT SIDE                                                                            —————————————————————————————                                            HeD,HeDu,EDe!,ED                                                 DiDoo=DiDou                                                            Eat,kid-goad,sweet                                                 GIVE(us)!                                                                           ED/EDe! is meaning in the same time EAT! and KID-GOAT !(vocative)                  as tablet has the shape of a loaf of bread and depicted an kid-goat on pictographic tablet       or  —————————————————————————————————————–                    HERA,HEROa                                  SE RRoo SeRRoo    SEIRoo=Seirou                                                 HERO                                        Flowed(50years);sermon,binding spell “of SUN”                             as oldest supposed name for sun was SEIR, and oldest  attested association of Eta,Heta-Rho found on pot-sherds in Ras-Shamra,Thera and Sakkara whas thought to be MONOGRAM OF HERA or HEROS

HERA                                   of the SUN                                                                                            HERO     OF THE                   SUN

The oldest pair known was HERA wich name mean EARTH/LADY  and consort ZEUS as SUN.                                                                                                                                                       In Thracia mounted HEROS was thought as HORUS the child kind of precursors of Christ, saviors (gr.SOTER)                                                                                                                                 —————————————————————————————————————————- Note, SEIR=SUN=SIRIUS,OSIRIS (Egypt USIR).The other aspect of the Sun, under-ground travelling,so associated with the Earth and an Fertility-associated God.                              HEROS and OSIRIS were long-time vast areas SAVIORS!

So people,have confidence and have own Universal moral and physical orientation reference system

 

 

 

WHY SUCH A GREAT AMOUNT OF MISTERY AROUND TARTARIA TABLETS SUBJECT?

April 11, 2018

There are many questions wich allmost remained without responce:                                                    -It is writing, of wich kind?                                                                                                                  -It is proto-writing or writing; if writing,wich kind?                                                                       -What is the period of time in wich were made?                                                                            -Who was the supposed writer?                                                                                                          -To wich culture partained tablets and he or her?                                                                          -Are tablets real or fakes?                                                                                                                    -Why no scientist engaged in close research and give strait answers?                          ………….An other (more than ten)  questions.


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/2004509-first-civilisation-world-originated-balkans.html#ixzz5EFpnyKyJ                                                                                    The Danubian Neolithical cultures that makes the so-called Dabunian Civilisation (Vinca-Turdaș, Criș, Hamangia, Cucuteni, Gumelnița, Boian etc) were in fact the offsprings of migrations from Anatolia and Fertile Crescent toward Europe of early agricultors and the Vinca-Turdaș script, while the oldest system of writing in the world, didn’t developed in a large scale practice, there are no more than some hundreds discoveries of pottery shards and other pieces bearing (usually only one) such signs and the society wasn’t yet highly structured and hierarchized like the Sumerian one.                                                                                                                                And perhaps more important, the Vinca-Turdaș script was an isolated phenomenon, it disappeared with the end of this material culture (with some echos perhaps in the later Cucuteni culture).

From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/the-new-york-times-a-lost-european-culture-vlassa-tartaria-striga-istoria-sub-noi-oameni-buni/#comment-6635  :                           Sa nu ma atacati inainte de a trece o noapte.                                                                              Nu stiu exact cum s-a intamplat, insa doar oasele au fost datate cu C14.Rezultatul este ca 99% din cercetatorii din lume stiu ca tablitele au fost datate.In consecinta,toti acestia iau de buna varsta de 5200 BC.Mai rau este ca toti incep sa-si modifice teoriile legate de neoliticul European si despre istoria Scrisului.                                                                Varsta aceasta poate sau nu fi adevarata.                                                                                Insa toti ar trebui sa stie ca nu tablitele au fost datate ci numai oasele! In (forensic science) criminalistica vasta unui obiect nu se translateaza ca fiind aceeasi cu varsta unui alt obiect,chiar aflat in imediata vecinatate! Dupa cate am inteles in arheologie cand se poate cand nu, de cele mai multe ori da.Nu uitati ca in situl arheologic a fost haloimesul de pe lume.Nu s-a lucrat cf. tehnicilor actuale.asa daca ne gandim puteau pica din zeci de cm de mai sus.(Unii zic ca se lucra “la norma” si posibil Vlassa a luat tablitele din miile de obecte de-a lui Szofia Torma)Nimeni in lume si nicaieri nu a luat cineva vre-un pix in mana (cuneus) inainte de 3200-3500 BC.Nici macar ca sa faca tablite pictografice, darmite cu semne!                                                                                         Cu respect, ing. Eugen Rau Timisoara

I not agree the folowing!:The Hittites Quote:

Originally Posted by CARPATHIAN

The European population of Turdaș-Vinča culture discovered the writing and the metallurgy for the first time in human history and brought these discoveries to Mesopotamia where the Vinča Script was developed into the Cuneiform Script and the Sumerian culture has reached higher levels of development because of the hierarchization of society that brought the possibility of erecting imposing temples and cities.     ———————————————————————————————————–

regarding tablet’s age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AT%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets So many questions

Radiocarbon dating – is it applicable to clay? Where are the tablets now? —Ghirla-трёп- 04:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn’t. Radiocarbon dating may only be applied to organic artifacts. The original Tartaria tablets were of dried, unbaked clay. The Romanian scientists baked them in an oven, to avoid their decay, but any subsequent dating by thermoluminescence (which is the usual method for the age determnation of ceramic artifacts) became impossible.–Mazarin07(talk) 23:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The radio-carbon dating was performed not on the tablets themselves but on the bones with which they were found and with which they are presumed to have been buried. The article’s (currently) second external link is to a report dated 2004 of an investigation of the bones, tablets etc that dates the bones to a calibrated r-c span of 5370-5140BC. Incidentally, that report also corrects several of the original excavator’s incorrect assumptions which the article currently still contains. For example, the bones were not burnt, and are of an elderly female, not a male. I leave it to someone with more wiki-fu to study the report and update the article. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)                                                                                                                                               ——————————————————————————————————————————-       To have the quickest possible responce to above questions, and have proper understanding, I will begin with the most important aspect,out of all others:                     – For a college (or above) level wiewer (no counting here scientists) something is shocking or striking :                                                                                                                              -There are three tablets wich normally distanced in time one of another 500-1000 years; could be showed and given to average cultural level people as kind of exemples for some of main  steps/stages by wich evolved the writing:

1-tartaria-tablets-spoza                                                                                          (Periods of time are as raw refference)                                                                                               1-Iconic stage,usually as before 3.500 B.C.                                                                                         2-Proto-hierogliphic stage as between 3500(east)-2200(west) B.C.                                             –Hierogliphic  stage between 3.000(east)-2000(west) B.C.                                                             3 –Syllabary, alphabetic stage between 2500(est)-1.500(west) B.C.                                                 One writer cannot know well all three systems of writing, but even so, cannot live in all above period/span of time.                                                                                                                         So there are only three explanations:                                                                                           1.-the tablets are not related one with another                                                                               2.-the tablets are fakes                                                                                                                       3–the tablets are made in later times (B.C.),by somebody who knew proper writing and also knew some-how ( kind of cultural transmission) some older signs and icons and some ideas/recollection of theyr meaning. He/her made another twoo as kind of school to stress the ancestor’s esteem and/or show how predecessors wrote.                                                                           I am inclined to support the last hypothesis.                                                                                  ————————————————————————————-                                                      Some twelve years before, I saw for the first time the tablets pictures.After got knoledge  of writing landscape and evolving, after 24 hrs. only I remained with the strong impression that on the round tablet we have signs as letters.     I recognised many signs wich were used as letters in archaic greek alphabets.Despite this. I cannot identify all signs as letters in 100% proportion in any alphabet.Highest percentage in identifying work had carian folowed by old greek and iberian alphabets. Even for some years i had (and have) a reading upon archaic greek alphabets.Here I had the support of eteocretan alphabet and writing.later, one month before I could find all the signs of both written tablets (out of pictographic) using sumerian signs. Also I could use of cretan hierogliphic,Linear A/B signs for both tablets but encountered some difficulties (2 signs:bow+arrow and >>) at that round-one. I am not counting those hierogliphic-like,complex signs wich can be icons but as well ligatured letters. these very icons had the prime effect that one to keep scientists at distance because are also vave a mysterius appearance. In my understanding, Linear A/B begun in Aegean area and there also finished there.No gain large acceptance and not known or extended in Europe and other areas. After that, begun to be known better in Europe phoinikeia grammata “phoenician letters” with followers old hebrew and greek alphabet.                                     But in the European people’s and cultural turmoil , different peoples addapted and gave their own and quite/slight different use of those signs.                                       ————————————————————————————————-                                                     Very interesting, I saw one month before old runic Bulgarian alphabet and realised that I have many of signs there.But not gave proper attention.Taking account that there are some related issues between gothic,nordic and Balcan(Blugarian) areas, I realised that there were contacts between those cultures wich continued till christianism full emerged in Europe. See:                                                                                                        From Scandinavia and the Balkans: Cultural Interactions with Byzantium …

https://books.google.ro/books?isbn=1443882283Oksana Minaeva, ‎Lena Holmquist        “The solar sign in the inscription also possesses the magical meaning of the character. In greek papyrus texts,it is a planetary symbol and denotes various vocalisations from the greek alphabet:usually H or T. ….In papyrus texts,the moon is also presented

This once again highlights the relationship between the discussed monument and Gothic literary culture discovered in present-day Bulgaria.47 The solar sign in the … 8 of the treasure from Nagyszentmiklós, which is dedicated to the complex nature of the Christian God according to Gnostic Christian views of Middle Eastern …”

ould be kind of contact between Cycladic  Keros/Syros population and early “Servos” from near-by Serres.

From site: http://lyudmilantonov.blogspot.ro/2011/04/bulgarian-alphabet.html

bulgar_runic_letters-1                                              ———————————————————————————————————————————-       Even if I would  begin such an attempt, another obstacle want to block my optimismus:    The artefacts found near-by at the archeological site. Artefacts that wanting to speak that something is related to Aegean and specific to Cyclades area (don’t ask me why but my mind was focussed by the center of Cyclades, Keros-Syros islands):                                           -one Spondyllus-shell bracelet                                                                                                           -one figurine/statuettes made in Cyclades style                                                                             -one alabaster footed-pot  also in perfect cycladic style. Not to mention that in Aegean/Greek aereas were found hundred of tablets with proper writing, Linear A/B or archaic greek, in our area (Bulgaria-Serbia-Macedonia) a few written tablets , around or above  five (e.g. Ezerovo ring-supposed thracian but no one  clear read or deciphered)                          ———————————————————————————————-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Greek_alphabet

TartRound

Up-LeftRAW

Letters Heta/Eta-Rho :”HeRo,HeRa,HaR,Haro”=Hero,Lady,Charm,Death

Upper-Right Sign +++++ is +++ ?  From http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/archaic_alpha.html                     Values of the vowels                                                                                                                         As for long and short vowels, only /e/ could have separate symbols for the two quantities, namely eta for “long e” and epsilon for “short e”. In fact in Greek spelling it was not even as simple as that. Ancient Greek had two “long e” sounds: low-mid [ɛː] and high-mid [eː]. In Greek eta denoted only the long low-mid sound; epsilon had to do duty for both the short sound and the long high-mid sound (until ει (ei) came to be used to denote /eː/ in the 5th century BCE). We see this in the Cretan Greek inscriptions from Dreros. Whether Eteocretan used similar spelling conventions or whether epsilon was always short, we have no way of knowing; all we can safely assume is that eta is always long.                                                                                                          Values of consonants                                                                                                                    The consonants, for the most part, denoted the same phonemes as those denoted in the International Phonetic Alphabet by the Roman transcription shown in the table above; the only two exceptions are:                                                                                              1.zai (zeta): the sound denoted by this symbol seems to have varied in different Greek dialects. Some instances of classical ζ derive from earlier /sd/, e.g. ἵζω (hizo) “I seat” ← *si-sd-ō (cf. Latin: sīdō). The majority of cases, however, derive from a earlier */dj/, */gj/ suggesting that sound denoted by ‘z’ in transcriptions of Mycenaean Linear B was /dj/ or an affricate such as [ʤ] or [ʣ]. It would seem, however, that in the archaic and classical periods, by a process of assimilation or metathesis, the sound varied in the dialects between [dd], [zd] and [zz] with the latter becoming the norm by the Hellenistic period and giving way eventually to the modern Greek [z].
In Cretan Greek [dd] was the norm and the spelling δδ is also found.                        2.semksemk is found on Praisos #1. As stated above, we can discount the value /ks/ given to this symbol by the Ionians. It would be a gross anachronism to find it used this way in a late 7th century or early 6th century inscription from Crete. There are only two credible possibilities:                                                                                                                            As in some other local scripts, it is merely used as a variant of zeta and, therefore, presumably denotes either /dd/ or /tt/.                                                                                              It really is semk and is being used to represent a sibilant not known in contemporary Greek. The clear presence of Ϝσ (ws)on Praisos #3 may indicate that Eteocretan possessed a labialized sibilant []].

Upper-Right quarter,signs:                                                                                                          +++++                                                                                                                                              (i?)D(i?) D o o                                                                                                                                           Letters:                                             Se?Su?                                                                                                                                                    ( i)R(i) R o o

Reading: Surroo=Surrou Seirroo>Seirrou ;seiroo>seirrou

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sirius.html                                                      Such stars astronomers call seirious on account of the tremulous motion of their light;…….so that it would seem that the word, in its forms seir, seiros, and seirios, —  Suidas used all three for both sun and star, — originally was employed to indicate any bright and sparkling heavenly object, but in the course of time became a proper name for this brightest of all the stars.

From Hermes Scythicus Or the Radical Affinities of the Greek and Latin …https://books.google.ro/books?id=LFRmAAAAcAAJ     … “Syr, or Seir,” he adds, “which the Persians “employed to denominate the sun, seems to be “ the same with Thor, only in a different dialect. “The ancient people of the north …

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13 Jul 2004 – be understood as the sun, shining on the male head or king and the ear of grain  The peculiar name Seyr for Zeus may have a correspondence in the Hittite  well worthy of Zeus, who was the supreme Greek god already in ..

dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/…/message/8177?o=1… – United StatesCached
You +1’d this publicly. Undo
25 Aug 2001 – Please respond to the idea that “Seir = Sun“…. that’s all I really  Sirius was the name of the dog that accompanied the Greek Hero > Orion!

6. eugenrau https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/829170-tablithele-de-la-tartaria/page__st__90     Posted 28 October 2012 – 00:21                                                                                                     seir=seiros=xeros=ca si xerox=rom/uscator; en./schorcherer=a fost aplicat in vechime atat pentru soare cat si pentru sirius

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%AC seira:”cordrope

From Queen of heaven (antiquity) – Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_(antiquity)                                 Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). In Greco-Roman …

So,possible:                                                                                                                                       Hera          Sun(Zeus)                                                                                                                      Hero          Sirius(Osiris)           >> pre-Christ.?                                                                           Hera       Syrrou (lady from Syria/Syros?)   …..there’are saying in Bible that christianism was brought by a Syrian woman                                                                                                HaR         Seirrou   chord of Charm (Har<>charis)                                                                        chord/rope of <=>of Sun/Sirius/Hera

seir<!>seira ; thrac.syros:”pit”(osiris burial/rebirth?)

Surrou<>Surriou<>Surya/Svar/Suar

Note: “rr” is for “rho” and “oo” used before-time changed to “ou” and in some cases “omega” ; rroo=rhou (rom.rau=river):”flow,course” from v.”rheo” (could be also Hora rrou=”flow oftime)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥ – Wiktionary

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/sóh₂wl̥

 This Proto-IndoEuropean entry contains reconstructed words and roots. As such, the term(s) in this entry are … Ancient Greek: ἥλιος (hḗlios). Doric Greek: αέλιος (aélios) … Sanskrit: स्वर् (svàr, “sun,sunlight”), सूर्य (sūrya, “sunSun deity”) (< *suh₂l-)
Also OSIRIS:
From http://www.zoniana.gr/name_en.htm ZOULIANAZOUTOLAKKO – ZONIANA       In this way Zas (Zeus) became both the founder and godfather of the village. When he died, he was buried there and from his tomb, his pit which is a synonym of his grave, the place was named “Zou’s Pit” (“Zeu’s Pit’’), in other words Zou’s (Zeus) grave. For instance a common phrase in Greek used when someone is at death’s door is that ‘He/she has one foot in the grave’ or when someone is already dead that ‘He/she has filled one’s pit’.  Soon enough this name prevailed and until the second decade of the 19th century it was named “Zou’s Pit’ (Tou Zou to Lakko) and that is how Zouliana was named and still is the afore-mentioned neighbourhood. In this way it becomes clear that both names ZOULIANA and ZOYTOLAKKO derive from ZA which is one of the numerous names of ZEUS; among other names he was called Zeus, Dias, Zas, Zis, Zan, Dan, Tan, etc. Today the village is named Zoniana which name also derives from Zeus as we will find out. The village’s inhabitants, the so-called Zoulakkianoi or Zoulakkites, when they wanted to say: “Oh my God” (as we say today) or “Listen to me God”, they used to say: “Zone God” (Zone Thee) or “Listen to me Zone God” (Listen to me Zone Thee). Only Zoulakkianoi used this kind of appeal to address God. The inhabitants of Anogeia used to say: “Zane God” (Zane Thee