Tartaria tablets

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MR. MARCO MERLINI, WITH DEEP RESPECT:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DESPITE THE MONUMENTAL WORK, SPENDING THOUSEND OF HOURS, TRAVELING TO ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES AND CORESPONDING ARTEFACTS RESEARCH, CONDENSED IN MANY BOOKS AND PAPERS,                                                      – THE RESULTS GATHERED RATHER IN AN EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTARY  WORK THAN OBTAINING THE CONCLUSIVE RESULTS.                                                                        THE EXPECTED RESULT WAS, FROM MY RECOLLECTION,  TO PROOVE THAT THE VINCA SCRIPT IS A WRITING, AS WAS THE GOAL AND TARGET ANOUNCED SOME 12 YEARS BEFORE.

ATTENTION ! THE WORD-CONCEPT OF “SCRIPT” IS TRICKY, BEEING EQUATED AS “PUTTING DOWN SIGNS WITH HAND”, BUT ATTENTION IF A MANUSCRIPT CONTAIN SIGNS MADE BY HAND AND IT IS INDEED WRITING, A SCRIPT COULD NOT BE NECESSARY A WRITING, BUT ONLY A COLLECTION OF SIGNS MADE BY HAND EVEN IF SIGNS ARE UNKNOWN OR  UNKNOWN MEANING.                                      SO WITH THIS WORD An AVERAGE CULTURAL LEVEL PERSON COULD BE FOOLED or THE OTHER, THE STORYTELLER, COULD ELUDE, CIRCUMVENT AND ESCAPE, INDUCING THE ILLUSION THAT A SCRIPT IS VERY CLOSE TO, OR A TRUE WRITING !                                                                                                                                   THIS NO WAY MEAN THAT THE SIGNS ARE SURE RANDOMLY OR SURE THERE IS NOT WRITING. COULD BE SOMEDAY DECIPHERED ; ( AS WAS THE CASE OF LINEAR B. BEFORE MICHAEL VENTRIS DECIPHERMENT WAS “A SCRIPT” )

FROM THIS, BECAUSE ONE MUST EXTRACT FROM A SCRIPT MESSAGES.                     NOT PROOVED YET THAT AT LEAST WE HAVE PROTO WRITING.                       PROTO-WRITING NOT USE A LANGUAGE, BUT ICONS (PICTOGRAMS,LOGOGRAMS,IDEOGRAMS) TO COMUNICATE AND TRANSMIT  SOMETHING.                                                                                                                             IN PROTO-WRITING THE MESSAGES ARE RAW, GENERAL AND NOT AS CLEAR AS IN WRITING.                                                                                                                        WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT IS THE DAM WICH STOPPED HIM ?                                 THERE ARE SOME REASONS AND EXPLANATIONS:                                                             – HE IS NOT REALISING THAT AT SO OLD EXPECTED AGES (5.300-3.500). SOCIETIES ADVANCED VERY SLOWLY TOWARD TRUE WRITING;                                    – THERE ARE NO HARD EVIDENCES OF PROTO-WRITING FOUND BEFORE 3.500 B.C.                                                                                                                                                  – FOR A SOCIETY IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE DEVELOPED IN SOME ASPECTS ONLY, IN ORDER TO BE IN GOOT HEALTH, GOOD LIVING, INCREASING DEMOGRAPHIC RATE, FOOD PRODUCTION TO BE PUSHED OR TO APPEAR THE NECESITY TO HAVE PERMANENT NOTATIONS OTHERS THAN PRODUCER/OWNER MARKS OR RELIGIOUS RELATED MARKINGS/ICONS.                                                                        EVIDENCES SHOW THAT ONLY  HIGH DEVELOPED SOCIETIES WITH AN SOCIAL HIERARCHY  NEDED TO KEEP ACCOUNTS BETWEEN MEMBERS , AND SAY IN A SIMILAR WAY WITH KEEPING RELIGIOUS RITES.                                                                – LOOKING ON THOUSENDS OF SIGNS, IT IS HARD TO FIND A TYPE OF ORDER, AT NECESSARY LEVEL  WHERE THERE IS NOT. I NOT SAID ANY ORDER;                 A SCRIPT IF NOT WRITING DOES NOT IMPLY THAT NOT HAVE OTHER CHANNELS TO TRANSMIT DATA.THE SAME PROBLEM ARE ENCOUNTERING SCIENTISTS WITH THE INDUS SCRIPT.                                                                                                                             WORSE THAN THIS, FOR HIM, SIGNS ARE LIKE FALLEN FROM SKY METEORITES, NOT RELATED. IF FOR EVERY SIGN HE FOUND TENS OF SIMILAR SIGNS WICH WERE USED IN ENTIRE WORLD, SOME IN AN EXTENSIVE WAY FOR WRITING THIS NOT AFECT HIM NOT IN SLIGHTES MEASURE.                                  FINALLY HE CHOOSE AND PREFERED TO GIVE TO THE MOST OF SIGNS AN ” ALLREADY FROM LONG-TIME FORGOTTEN, UNKNOWN MEANING”  BUT NOT AT ALL, SUSPENDED IN THIN AIR, BUT RATHER EQUATED VITH HIS OWN PHILOSOPHICAL CONSIDERATIONS.                                                                                        WHY?                                                                                                                                                 BECAUSE IS CONVINCED THAT THE SIGNS E.G. ON TARTARIA TABLETS ARE MUCH (OR TO MUCH ?) OLDER !                                                                                                  NOT TOOK ACCOUNT OF MIGRATIONS, OR ECONOMICAL CONNEXIONS (TRADE) AND CULTURAL TRANSMISSION. IT IS NOT SO HARD, NOR IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE HOW CULTURAL ELEMENTS (WRITING INCLUDED) ARE EVEN DISTANT, RELATED.                                                                                                                                   E.G. AS NOWDAYS ALL EUROPE IS USING LETTERS OF GREEK ORIGIN, SO PHOENICIAN WRITING WAS RELATED TO THAT GREEK-ONE. (ABC IS IN FACT ABUGIDA). PHOENICIAN IN THIS TURN RELATED TO OLD-CANAANITE.                   SCIENTISTS AS G.PAPAKITSOS AND I.KENANIDIS FOUND AEGEAN WRITINGS ARE RELETAD TO PROTO-SUMERIAN.                                                                                             I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY MR. MERLINI IS DEPRIVED OF SUCH A NECESSARY AERIAL-LIKE, LARGE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WRITING PHENOMENOM.                           I ONLY SUPPOSE BUT IF NOT SURE, PREFER NOT TO ENTER IN DETAILS;                        EG. SEARCHING IN SIGNS IN A TIME SPAN OF ALLMOST 6.000 YEARS !…BETWEEN SOME OLDER (PROTO-CUNEIFORM 3.000 B.C) AND OTHERS “NEW” (LINEAR B; SZEKELY RUNIC 500-1000 A.D), AN ORIGIN IN DANUBIAN SCRIPT (WICH IN MY OPINION THERE WAS NOT ), BUT INFLUENCE AS WELL SURE EXISTED.                                             YOU REALISE THAT IF LINEAR A (2.000-1.500 B.C.) CRETAN HIEROGLYPHIC (~2.200 B.C.) (NOT TALKING OF ETEOCRETAN 500 BC- 200 A.C.) ARE NOT FULLY DECIPHERED YET, WHAT ABOUT A WRITING SUPPOSED TO BE (ONLY BY TWO PERSONS IN THE WORLD) OF 5.300-4.000 B.C. ??                                            BUT WE ARE NOT IN A HOPELESS SITUATION. FORTUNATELY THE TARTARIA TABLETS ARE NEWER THAN 3.000 B.C. WHERE WE KNOW FROM, OR HOW WE ARE SURE ?                                                                                                                                          THE SIMPLYEST EXPLANATION FOR AN AVERAGE LEVEL PERSON, IS THAT UPON :                                                                                                                                      MOST OF THE SIGNS PRESENT ON TARTARIA TABLETS WERE ALLREADY INVENTED AND FOUND ON SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM TABLETS IN, AND AFTER 3.000 B.C.  SO NO NEED TO SEARCH FOR OTHER INVENTORS, IN ANOTHER PLACES THAN THOSE ALLREADY PROOVED E.G.VINCA. OTHERWISE IS NO DOUBT THAT PRIMITIVE, EARLY VINCA SIGNS, OR DANUBE SCRIPT ARE MUCH OLDER THAN SUMERIAN ONES, DESPITE, DEEP SORROW,, NOT FINISHED AT LEAST IN A PROTO-WRITING.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            VINCA CIVILISATION “LEAPED” PICTOGRAPHIC STAGE (wich was otherwise for other civilisation of immense importance and proffed necessary for writing developement toward folowing stages, and finally to true writing) and jumped directly to an early proto-linear stage, sistematising and ordering elementary signs to make a writing, beeing quite a task, wich can be fulfilled only by a computer…(asisted by a human).                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 From A Comparative Linguistic Study about the Sumerian Influence on the Creation of the Aegean Scripts Ioannis K. Kenanidis1, Evangelos C. Papakitsos*2 file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Minoan_Sumerian.pdf

“A Protolinear Script
There is a suggestion that Linear-A constitutes a linearization of the Akkadian cuneiform signs [22].However, it is normal for a script to evolve from
pictorial signs (as the Sumerian pre-cuneiform and the Aegean writing signs too) into non-recognizable forms (as the late cuneiform), and rarely the reverse.                                                                                                                                       …… Although there are several different theories for explaining this necessity, there is also the possibility of a Protolinear script [47], which both Linear-A/B evolved from, for conveying different languages. In other words, the Protolinear could be the parent of Linear-A and Linear-B, while the Cretan Hieroglyphic could be regarded mainly, but not exclusively [8], as the decorative and ritual form of that
system for use especially on seals [48]                                                                                         The hypothesized Protolinear script consists of 120 syllabograms of the V and CV patterns, as they have been found in Linear-A/B scripts, one for each syllable
of a dialect close to the Archaic Sumerian language.There are also a few signs of disyllabic nature. The signs are those that are common to both Linear-A and B
scripts (62) and those that are exclusive to each syllabary.                                            So, we have a script of simplified icons (signs) depicting items, where the phonetic value of each sign is related to the Archaic Sumerian word for the depicted item. Many of them are related to the associated signs of the Cretan Hieroglyphic, also to the Sumerian pictograms and sometimes to the cuneiform equivalents. ”                                                                                                                                                                 BUT HOW THESE INFLUENCES, IN WHAT DIRECTIONS, AND IN WICH MEASURE EXISTED AND WORKED MUST  SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHES COULD TELL.                                                                       … EVEN I AM TAKING ACCOUNT OF A DELAY TIME IN THE TRANSMISSION PROCESSUS, EG AS TABLETS TO BE LATER THAN 2.700 B.C. , AS WAS FROM THE START THE HYPOTHESIS OF MR. VLASSA (AND NOT ONLY!). I PUT THE TARTARIA TABLETS RATHER WITH MINOAN PLACES AND ON DIRECT SUMERIAN INFLUENCE.                                                                                                                                  ADDING TO THIS, IN MY OPINION, THERE ARE CLUES THAT WE HAVE SOME SIGNS WICH APPEARED LATER. WORSE THAN THIS, I AM SUSPECTING, WE COULD BE CONFRONTED WITH NOT QUITE HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION (WITH SLIGHT CHANCES)TO HAVE EVEN A FEW SIGNS WICH ARE ONLY SOME HUNDRED YEARS B.C. OLD    EG. AS TO BE FROM ETEOCRETAN/ARCHAIC GREEK WRITINGS !                     —————————————————–                                                                                                  The paper under scrutiny is:

===========================                                                                                                     Rectangular undrilled tablet

Picture, from http://www.dacoromania-alba.ro/nr27/cultura_si_civilizatiile_la_tartaria.htm

M.Merlini :                                                                                                                                                 – is representing a hunting scene                                                                                                          – three pictures: 1. unclear shape 2. a standing vegetal motif (tree) 3. a quadruped (goat)               – The unclear shape could be zoomorphic or atropomorphic figure                                           —————————-                                                                                                                          me: unexpected short & resumed analysis                                                                                   – maybe not “hunting scene”, “goat-hunter” !?!; what are your “pro” arguments  ?             – he not stressed that there are no groups of pictograms (and that isolated are rare) in Vinca and Danubian script , as these civilisations seem to elude/has leaped over this phase, using mainly proto-linear, elementary signs                                                                       – yes, either antropomorphic or zoomorphic, but the upright position and forward extension of limbs, make me to favor antropomorphic, anthropoid, human siluette. He not choosed one. I propose to conciliate this dilemma: if animal, what scene will be? Of two or more acting/(fighting !?) animals?                                                                                    So, could be rather a human silhuette, an god(ess) or in extremis, even a ghost                     – not tree, mut much out of general “vegetal motif” something more precise (eg.branch, cereal ear, cereal/s )                                                                                                                                – much exactly than goat, in fact “goats !), due of the horns shape and length, of caprinae family indeed, could be ibex or better Cretan wild goats, “cri-cri’s”                     Picture, from Wikimedia Commons  File:Cri – cri, Soutěska Samaria – Kréta

    What do you say Mr. Merlini about:                                               From https://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/Rechnici/Sumerian_Cuneiform_English_Dictionary_12.pdf

DARA3 ~ IBEX | durah (dara3) [89x] = wild goat, mountain goat |                                            Image, from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

          “DARA 3~c”                                                                                                                        – remembering a sumerian proto-cuneiform tablet, my opinion is that we have on tablet depicted an offering (of goats) ritual to some deity.                                                                For this scenario no matter if ordinary human or god(dess)                                                     note                                                                                                                                                       Some of my attempted tablets interpreting/reading proposals contain by chance or not, words:                                                                                                                                                  “goat” in sumerian and IE,greek, also “eat” (sum. ud and ku; gr. hed,ede )

======================                                                                                                                            Round tablet                                                                                                                                           Picture, from https://actualdecluj.ro/semnificatia-tablitelor-de-la-tartaria-muzeul-de-istorie-din-cluj-detine-cele-mai-vechi-scrieri-din-istoria-civilizatiei/

                                                                                                                  Folowing images figuring parts of the tablet, from http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

                                                                                                                   LADDER SIGN                                                                                                                                            Mr. Merlini compared the sign with ATU 260 ,with 4 rungs, but much likely would be after him Labat 436. Noticed that after Badiny it is “TUD,TUR”=”settlement foundations”.   After R.Kolev it is Labat 99,”EN” !Wrong!                                                                                     Merlini say, that it is convergent with Indus 53 and Luwian “trone”. Not completely found in Linear A, AB55, but in Linear B “Pa3”.                                                                                In Szekely runic is “Z” After Hruskaq it is “agricultural field”                                                    In akkadian is partlyL 99″Lord,God” or L 436 “settlement foundations”

Merlini concluded that:                                                                                                                          – it is an abstract sign (me:!?) wich make introduction of ezoteric message”   ;   an incipit that introduce a message”                                                                                                                            – also could be “an auspicious sign or an invocation”.                                      =========================                                                                                                                  me:    IF YOU SUSTAIN AND PERSIST FOR AN OLD AGE (5.300-..??) FOR THE TABLETS, THEN YOU MUST COMPARE THE SIGNS FROM THE TABLETS FIRST WITH SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM ONES, USED AROUND 3.000 BC, NOT WITH SIGNS USED LATER !

I checket, mistake, (you hurried?), NOT LABAT 436, WRONG! ; why you not show us the shape of the signs wich found by you to be similar ??                                                              From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html  :

Could be      “GA2” , but much sure,                                                                              IT IS LABAT 536 “KU”, and From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

“KU~a”                                                                                                                                                 From The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process                                                                           ku: to base, found, build; to lie down

 Sumerian “ZAG”

 !ATTENTION SUMERIAN SILVER, LINEAR B BRONZE !     From  https://drdudsdicta.com/tag/linear-b/   

From  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                                11. Ideograms/Logograms
1.  “Linear A does not have logograms for arms and armor (except AB 191 GAL helmet), spices (AB 123 = *123 AROM is only a phoneme in A [Hiero *157 occurs on seals #291 and CMS II 3.23 as a logogram]), or metals (unless A 327 [; HT 97a, HT 119] = B *140 [] AES bronze)”

2…” *56 (PA₃), HT 9b.1, 132.2, 34.6 “

P.S.

Present in Indus Script,                                                                                                                  From http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.com/2011/02/ladder-grid-and-some-enigmatic-indus.html

https://www.academia.edu/11752557/Cristian_Ioan_Popa_Representation_of_a_Keftiu_Type_Ingot_on_a_Bronze_Belt_Plate_from_Transylvania_and_Its_Connections_in_N._C._Ri%C5%9Fcu%C5%A3a_I._V._Ferencz_O._Tutil%C4%83_B%C4%83rbat_eds_Representations_Sings_and_Symbols_Ed._Mega_Cluj-Napoca_2015_p._187-214

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On the right, the P/D sign

Could be as well a P-shape intended or D. I am 51% for D, cause it is awkard to trace (scratch, not draw with a pointed stylus) a curved line and after that to trace a strait one as their endings to be finally superposed !

                                                                                                                                                                 Merlini : P-like sign, ATU 709

 No !, it is Schmandt Besserat’s,    From http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/the-mind/history-of-thinking/early-civilization/before-the-greeks/invention-of-writing.html

Invention of Writing

(8-th column) Falkensein ATU 527, otherwise not found in a single tablet inscribed/traced !                                                                                            ============================================                                                                  UPPER HALF, RIGHT SIDE

Signs  ++++++ and D D o o/cO”

   

ASz2

 From    http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                          *171, logogram on ZA 6a with agricultural commodities                                                       —————————

 sign “SUR” , (otherwise if scribe had a hand tremor/fault), a “plain D’

Note One could read ++++++     :”As-sur” literrary single, unique-daring; (God and renown city)                                                                                                                            ============================

“GAR” (meaning “ninda”=”cereal, bread“)                                                                           This sign is supposed to originate for the “rimmed bowl” and the sign was used for “ration (1 unit)”, no matter cereals or bread !

Was used by egyptian as well for “loaf of bread” as for sign “T”.  https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR3DNpnRBMew2SVGMXZwk3XjuK9wRKDrt-xsw&usqp=CAU   I found this sign also as beeing used in Linear B for volumes. So, beeing used in so many places in relation to cerels/food and jars.

Merlini: ATU 753; ZATU 308; Akk. L396 or L472                                                                              ——————————                                                                                                                                      me: it is, from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html ,  sign LAGAB~a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         You do not show us the shape of the signs alike; no slitest hope for an supposed meaning.                                                                                                                                                  In fact we could have sign sequence “O O”

2x LAGAB

2xLAGAB=NIGIN

books.google.ro › books Lengths, Widths, Surfaces: A Portrait of Old Babylonian …

Jens Høyrup – NIGIN, which can be interpreted as a contracted LAGAB.LAGAB

.
https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf                                                                               NIGIN niñin(2): n.,enclosure, circle; capacity; whole (cf. kilib and gur4-gur4
)

From  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                         *309, only TY 2 in three variations *309a , *309b , *309c 

—————————————–                                                                                                                        2/nd O or C?

Merlini: “Moon phase”                                                                                                                         ———————-

me: ?

1-st opinion, an “failed o”, cause when scraping, one of the major difficulties is to end EXACTLY where you started.

2-nd: greek “u” or “lunate sigma” or “roman c” ??, due of most modern shapes (800-300BC?) of the signs in the upper half of the round tablet.

 

SZA@g (me: Sza=Sa )

Aug 11, 1999 – John A. Halloran ša: to dry up                                                                                                                                    ——————————————                                                                                                                      Sign to the RIGHT

                                                                                                                                                                  M.Merlini:                                                                                                                                                – named the whole sign “Orante dancer”                                                                                          – occurs only on Tartaria tablets, not included in Dat-Das                                                                ————————–

– schollars consider the “orante” consisting of two elementary signs (!? not convinced to be true)

Upper sign                                                                                                                                                      …they find paralels with Uruk, Ur pictogram of the rising sun, : ATU 194, ZATU 451 – in akkadia convergence with LABAT381 with sound PIR, UD, meaning “pine”                            – “Vlassa also divided the “orante dancer” in two vertical sections”                                           – paralels with Indus Script 162, or167 (?)

– similar unidentified signs in Linear B (rare)

– the scribe separated the two elements (little circle and paranthesis-like)intentionally          ———————————–                                                                                                                                Lower sign,                                                                                                                                    – Badiny equated with allready “clepsidra” sign (?), with sound value “AB”, meaning “father”                                                                                                                                                     – unpersuasive parallelism with LABAT 128                                                                                   ———————–           Whole sign                                                                                                       – Zakar: paralelism with left sign, and compatible series wit Jemdat Nasr signs “..”and Knossos signs “….”

– Lizette Kabay: two altars, serve to honor Sun and Moon                                                           – Hruska: two signs: “private property” & “rising sun/sun itself/daylong period”, also convergent with Luwian sign Ha ,with the sound “hu” – S.Winn: signs are not separate, cause are “extremely close  together” – ‘praying” or “dancing” person, partially matches Cretan hierogglyph 004 and Linear B “..” still unidentified

-..  Sun and Moon from Sumer

– Phoenician and Punic goddess Tanit. goddess of heavens, provider of fertility,associated with Moon

CONCLUSION;”compound representation of a worshipped antropomorphised divinity”

– have no elements concerning its gender; triangle/trapeze base is representing its body, and upraised arms indicating  crescent Moon-bull horns and head standing for Sun;

the altar and its heavenly representation;                                                                                       – upper and lower elements are separated to symbolise the combination of Earth and Heaven, but also united by a two-fold depiction of the arms                                                  THE DIVINITY IS INDICATED THAT COUPLES EARTH AND SKY

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me:  If you want hard, for the whole sign,ressemblance to an “orante dancer”,

– on contrary, the sign it is in proto-cuneiform URUK,

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me, Upper sign                                                                                                                                          THERE IS NO SUCH A SIGN WITH LITTLE CIRCLE, and + separate !! Only of the folowing type:

– it is , U4  “Day/Sun”, usually day; in fact, UTU:”Sun”                                                            – sign not consisted of 2 separate signs, S.Winn its right !

– they find paralels with proto-cuneiform :”raising Sun”; not “paralels” the sign indeed it is in proto-cuneiform ; not “raising sun” (raising sun by egyptians), but “day/sun” !                  —————————

Lower sign

– it is not “like clepsidra”, it is close to a triagle but much close a trapeze

Not AB :”father” but AB:”house,TEMPLE” and also UNU/UNUG:”inner, sacred precinct of temple”! From http://enenuru.net/html/misc/cityseals.htm                                       LARSA:   

 ——————————                                                                                                                          For the whole right sign,                                                                                                                Merlini: in Dan. script No,Mono-signs of Danube civ. No, Pr.C.Uruk NO                                      ———————

me:

! Similar signs as the whole sign, were used in ancient time related to asters in general in the first time followed by astral gods & goddesses  in second time !.

It is direct related to an ASTRAL DEITY ; E.g. close to TANIT (Merlini is right, closeness with sign Tanit)

http://thingsinthree.blogspot.com/2011/07/before-tertius.html                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                                                WRONG, Mr.Merlini !, the sign it is in sumerian proto-cuneiform It is in proto-cuneiform,

“ARARMA2a”, and close to

UxUNUG= LARSAM , the inner sacred space of Shamash temple in Larsa

                                                                                                                                                                     From Larsa – Wikipedia

Larsa (Sumerian logogram: UD.UNUG^KI,                                                                                                     read Larsam^{ki :”the place,land of sun-god (Shamash) abode“}

                                                                                                                                                                From Ur – Wikipedia

The city’s patron deity was Nanna (in Akkadian, Sin), the Sumerian and Akkadian (Assyrian–Babylonian) moon god, and the name of the city is in origin derived from the god’s name  UNUG^KI, literally “the abode (UNUG) of Nanna”.

                                                                                                                                                                     The sign above is the standard “Larsam” of the Larsa city, where it is the temple of shamash/Samas.                                                                                                                                       ——————————

sign “UNU”                                                                                                                               This stands for – divine name + the sign UNU – . What is interesting to note is that these geographical names, for example UD+UNU (Larsa), or SHESH+UNU (Ur), seem to be direct adaptions of the Early protoliterate City Seals. This becomes clearer still when we note the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand‘ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU, is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple or ziggurat. And here we see the ePSD entry for unu as dwelling:                          “unu [DWELLING] (1511x: Lagash II, Ur III, Old Babylonian) wr. unu6; unu2; unu “banquet; dining hall; the most sacred part of a temple; seat, throne; dwelling, domicile, abode; temple”

CONCLUSION

Don’t know for sure !                                                                                                                             Could be the sign of sumerian Sun-temple or of the goddess A-SA-SA-RA (as Ishara, Astarte, Ishtar, Isis, Tanit),

                                                                                                                                                           From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_snake_goddess_figurines

From palace of Knossos

   …..Although Linear A is not yet deciphered, Palmer relates tentatively the inscription   a-sa-sa-ra-me which seems to have accompanied goddesses, with the Hittite išhaššara, which means “mistress”                                                                                                                  ….Some scholars relate the snake goddess with the Phoenician Astarte (virgin daughter). She was the goddess of fertility and sexuality and her worship was connected with an orgiastic cult. Her temples were decorated with serpentine motifs.

….or rather I am tempted (due of much higher closeness of ALL THE SIGNS with sumerian proto-cuneiform ones, than to Aegean writings signs), to give slightly more chances to:

UD,”sun” UNUG: “inner, sacred precinct in temple”                                                                UD.UNUG “inner sacred precinct of the Sun-God temple”

                                                                                                                                                                   From http://enenuru.net/html/misc/cityseals.htm

“LARSA =     

Seal Impression from Ur: UD+UNU (Larsa):                                                                        This becomes clearer still when we note that the cuneiform sign UNU, a part of the geographical names, (when flipped vertical) appears to be a direct adaption from the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the seals. It symbolises the abode of the deity, so UD+UNU is the home of the Sun god, and the UNU is a part of his temple.

UNU = UNUG ?
A question we have left unexplored pending further reading, is another view of the AB/UNU sign itself. While it may be called in general terms the ‘base’ or ‘stand’ in the city seal, on a closer examination this symbol and its corresponding cuneiform sign are shown to mean “abode” and to refer to the inner sanctum of the temple of the city god.”

 

“PA3”

“BA”  1922)

“LISZ”  https://cdli.ucla.edu/methods/sign_name.html                                                     sign LISZ reading Lisz=”spoon”, and Dili2                                                                                                                          …so “>>”        is sign Lisz x Lisz ? spoons“?

        “RU” ?                                                                                                                        From https://cdli.ucla.edu/methods/sign_name.html   Sign RU,reading ilar, ru, szub meaning “throwing stick; to cast down(a arunca,dobora); to fall down,to drop ( a lasa)”                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Oooops ! I’ve found  the sign “<” (oposite as ours >>) https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf                                          in Faistos disc, and  as meaning in Linear B “Ru (riu,lu)”….as in sumerian (?!!)                             ——————————————-

“PA”, …(also present in all Aegean writings !)

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/   <  *03 (PA), >

 *37 (TI), common

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Tablet

Image, from https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Xqv04auejwD3ykVQAaVxNK98b81ZfeHId0ZWeNtMXFq74TLGbyngPsp1jIh9SI1zNW66IG-cpPT0zXE5WtaspU1ydoXXvDE3

Picture, from http://www.renegadetribune.com/first-european-writing-7500-year-old-tartaria-tablets/       (me:/7500?)

                                                                                                    —————————–

Signs “>>>”

Merlini: “three lunar months” He NOT found in proto-cuneiform !;                                     comparison with Indus sign 156 where usig numerical system with base 10, signs  ), )), )) represented 10, 20, 30.

Conclusion: “represent a number or a time marker as in Indus script”

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me: there is proto-cuneiform sign

“DIN”

YES, partly you were right , sign >>> was used to denote “3/30”, like this:

“U4.3”

and inside sign U “day” and “30”

    “U4” “Day” , alltogether   signify “Month”

(in the middle)                                                                                                  From http://mugsarsumerian.com/default.htm#u                                                                 1230D_ESH_30  1230DU+U+U | ESH / EŠ = 30 (numeric) | UŠU₃ | SIN = moon

 MY CONCLUSION: Because our signs are pointing to the right, “>>>”/”DDD”, we have no 30/Moon, but “NUMBER 3“

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Folowing, two vegetal motifs,

                                                                                                                                                               Merlini: vegetal motif, ATU 98  ; GI :”ear of cereal”

CONCLUSION: first one “express the potentiality of sprouting nature connected to a period of three months”

 second one: “passage from first vegetal motif to this one more developed and situated in a different cell  might indicate the transit from two different seasonal  periods (winter and spring? spring and summer?) with related rituals.                                                                  …first option:  “the signs on the tablet point to early spring rituals aimed to solicit the transition to spring light and renewal; the three months sign indicates the appropriat period for them. i.e., when to celebrate the expectation, anticipation and triggering of spring”                                                                                                                                                         ————————————-

 me:  You are close by, it is related indeed to food, crops and nature, but what for so much philosophy?                                                                                                                                         Those signs has a meaning if pictograms, logograms or ideograms ! Their meaning is quite concrete ( in the limits of multiple meanings in proto-writing)                                 You do not show the shape of afore-mentioned sign ATU, nor the possible/atributed by you meaning !                                                                                                                          E.g.Sumerian proto-cuneiform variants of the sign “Se”

    “Sze”

Sumerian Lexicon J.A.Halloran SZE :”barley, grain”  šè: n.,portion.

Note.                                                                                                                                                     See  in https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf Archalochori axes, signs HM2416, AR Zf
1, sign 14
AB04, EXACTLY AS OURS !

       From  http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                   <<     *04 (TE)>> ..later Linear B ++ “TE”

                                                                                                                                                         Conclusion: “portion, grain“

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Y-like sign

                                                                                                                                                                      Merlini: PART ATU 224=ZATU 549                                                                                             “Da” sound in Linear B

After 10 pages excursus in neolithic presence of the sign, wich I am far from thinking to be against, conclusion is:

“Unfortunately its meaning completely escape us”                                                                                                 ———————————–

me: and what we know more after this? Nothing, I do not know the sign shapes you are talking about nor give the slightest meaning !

– I found in Faistos disc, https://teicrete.gr/daidalika/documents/phaistos_disk/signary.pdf  leftsided Y , supposed by some, to be for phonetic “DA” – in archalochori axe both (LS & RS : HM2416 signs 2
and 15 )

– Da in Linear A &B is dextroverse/rightsided and our sign is sinistroverse/leftsided.            – I am not sure, found somewhere Linear B sign “Sa”  leftsided.??

  – – – – – – – – – – – –                                                                                                                                           Sumerian proto-cuneiform                                                                                                               LAK 16 “BAD”(Liste der Archaische Keilschrifzeichen/Deimel 1922) and from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

“PAP” ?

Cuneiform sign PAP https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%92%89%BD#Sumerian

sumerian “first and foremost,pre-eminent”

..or the sign:

“BAD” ? LABAT 069

From https://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf                                                                                      bad, be: to open; to let out; to go away; to be at a distance; to drive away; to separate, remove

From archimedes.fas.harvard.edu › mdh › glottography Of Glyphs and Glottography 1. The earliest writing: an …  by MD Hyman                                                                                            “the former sign, BAD x. ‘wall,enclosure’ ”  ..me: as in “Bad Tibira”                                    Bad-tibira(Sumerian: 𒂦𒁾𒉄𒆠, bad₃–tibira^ki), “Wall of theCopper Worker(s)”

From https://orthographiafititisagori.tumblr.com/post/186054450721/cretan-hieroglyphs

See “Sa”

Indus script,

https://eugenrau.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/d9a1a-h2186dubya.jpg

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Sign “TWO CONNECTED TRIANGLES/TRAPEZES

                                                                                                                                                         Merlini: DS 064.0                                                                                                                                     “a cup for collecting sacred liquid” (!??)

In conclusion, if the sign finds faint graphic paralels in ancient Near Eastern,  and Aegean systems of writing, (apart from the Indus script) it is deeply rooted in the danube script where is present mainly in its core culture and developing area, clustered in the early Vinca  and in the territory betwen Transylvania and Serbia.                                                                                  —————————

me: Pitty, Mr. Merlini not found 2-4 proto-cuneiform signs wich are close in shape with so-called “hourglass”, nor the Labrys variants !

                                                                                                                                                                    From  http://mikrob.com/minoanastronomy/  https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqsAZ1Qbt4EqjZ12f2lcxPKFjGPP0QYGv1fLThn3zue_7hz6FqYg&s

                                                                                            I allready showed in a special page entitled “Orion..Mother-Goddess..” that this sign was present in Sumer, Anatolia, Tepe Gawra and in Vinca Culture seem to be not else but “MOTHER-GODDES ICON” !                                                                                                             The sign is present in Vinca Culture, but we have a big problem, Tartaria tablets not pertain to Vinca Culture, Nor to Danubian one !

                                                                                                                                                        Image, https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSFtECMJ-AtYJWqx-RBSYm6uhPsgAOx74-tQQF3oCiAk1ZBrDTV

        Tepe Hissar, Iran      Folowing image, from    http://mmstudies.com/scholars/gimbutas/

I wonder, Mr. Merlini, how you come up with this “cup” ?

From http://indusscriptmore.blogspot.com/2011/07/last-of-nine-stroke-indus-signs.html 

ZATU 7a

                                                                                                                                                                      Proto-cuneiform signs, from https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html                          GA’AR~b1

ZAGa  ZAG~c, “boundary; shrine; front, etc

 I found also “Szita”, and another one much closer:                                           ZATU 7a, sign “AB“

AB:”large household, house, temple”

                                                                                                                                                           CONCLUSION: the sign is Es?/Ab?: “house, TEMPLE”

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INSECT-like, (with many legs?),  sign

                                                                                                                                                          Merlini: “the sun or divinity of the sun”, otherwise similar to ATU 192, or:                       “archetipical origin of the Tree of Life and death that splits and joints at the same time the sacred and profane. and :                                                                                                             “sacred spheres seems to have a deep foundation in the neolithic culture of danube Civilisation”” …pity, I was so close to grasp this.

In many civilisations (eg, Greek, Macedonian) sun icon was multiple rayed. But here because we have allmost all the signs sumerian, must be forced to take account of the sumerian sign:

“SZENNUR”, but better:

“AN” “Sky/ Sky-God”/Deity                                                                                                       So, in my opinion it is rather Sky-God

Note                                                                                                                                                          An,Anu as in GUD-ANU >> Romanian Mts Godeanu.                                                                From https://sumerianlanguage.tumblr.com/post/172457821195/sumerianmagic-sumerian-vocabulary-for-the-day

<<This word (“the heavenly bull constellation”, probably roughly equivalent to our modern Taurus) is pronounced guanna, from gud (“bull”) and an (“sky”)>>

From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                                                  ”   *44 (KE), only in ligature “

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“DONKEY HEAD“-like sign

                                                                                                                                                         Merlini:                                                                                                                                                           – long excursus on horses, and donkeys ; as icon and writing related, sacralisation of this animal in the Danube civilisation and its employment as a religious symbol expressing an atribute of the Great Goddess… such as the butterfly and the bee.                  – …..concluding not to be a cat.                                                                                                            – cat sign in Cretan hieroglyphic CH 75 and the Linear A,  AB 80    From    https://crewsproject.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/cats-in-the-aegean-scripts/  Line drawings of some of the more elaborate cat’s head signs in Linear A.                                            – Grumach: cat’s head hieroglyph is associated with astral symbols and in close relation with astral beliefs.                                                                                                                                  – no archaeological evidence of any sacralisation of the cat in Danube civilisation.               – interpret the sign as a bucranium                                                                                                  – on tablet, two miniature bucrania or bullhorns.                                                                           – not accounted by DatDas                                                                                                                    – compared with proto cuneiform , ” it is ATU 47 ,sound Gu, meaning the bull”                      – in akkadian cuneiform, has the phonetic value GUD, LABAT number 297                                 ————————————-

me:

– Cretan hieroglyphic CH 075 has a circle shape (with strokes inside), has nothing to do with cat or bucrania, seem to become later LinearA & B “Ke” ;

  From http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  *78 (QE), logogram only in ligature

                                                                                                                                                           You’re right only with AB 80:”MA”  ( *80 MA )

From people.ku.edu › ~jyounger › LinearA Linear A Texts: Homepage – people.ku.edu

” AB 60 RA, and Hieroglyphic *060 , a cat face, becomes AB 80 MA.”

– no cat, no bull, not the sign ATU47 wich has another shape!                                                     – not GUD SUN, not POWERFUL BULL, not SHINING BULL !, because was GUD-ANU, GUD-ANNA:”heavenly Bull”

    UD5~c  (wich means “Goat”),                                                                                 …. from my recolection  ?this was the sign of entire cattle family (caprnae, ovinae, bovinae)?

..but much sure and exactly:

  “AMAR” (“calf”) From https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

! THIS WAS THE REAL SUN-BULL, Mr. MERLINI:

 <  ^dAMAR.UTU; Sumerian: amar utu.k “calf of the sun; solar calf“; >

Note: Cause AMAR has the root AMA/Ma in opinion of others (and mine) the Aegeans got the  sign “MA” (changed that is like a cat head with long ears)

                                                                                                                                                                   From https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Fig-13-The-sign-forms-for-syllable–ma_fig1_279940914

                                                                                     Image from https://crewsproject.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/cats-in-the-aegean-scripts/

CONCLUSION : rather than Mother-Goddess icon “MA”, >>>”CALF,BULL, SUN-BULL“

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Close to sign “SZITA”, but much sure:

    “AB”                                                                                        ===========================

 “OX’ head-like sign ?

Merlini: review others opinions:                                                                                                        – Vlassa:”U with a diagonal stroke and a romboid” ??                                                                    – A.Falkenstein “a very schematized head of an animal (with horns !3!) viewed by profile”                                                                                                                                                    – J.Makkay “bull head”                                                                                                                             – E.Masson ” curves of horn-shaped elements and eyes”                                                               – S.Winn “sign 175 is a pictogram” , among Goddess identifiers (!?) – lazarovici ” a cup puring a liquid” (same close meaning for the sign underneath: “unother cup”)

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me: could be a combination of the signs/complex ideogram out of: https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/SignLists/protocuneiform/archsigns.html

        “Hi” and 2 times the sign                                                                                            “BAR”                                                                                                                                          Hi x Bar-Bar ??..do’nt know what could mean in sumerian…

                                                                                                                                                           From https://www.sumerian.org › prot-sum
Web results
The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process – Sumerian.org
Nov 2, 2014 · Paper analyzing the Sumerian proto-language. … u: ten (usually written: u). he, hi: to mix [HI archaic frequency: 291]

                                                                                                                                                               From The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character Samuel Noah Kramer · 1971 · History Between heaven and earth they recognized a substance which they called HI, a word whose approximate meaning is wind, air, breath

                                                                                                                http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/ ) but like Linear A                                                            “BULL“

Note

Interesting, as Mr. Merlini is fond of taking signs as coupled, I found

AMAR + AB= NERGAL

(we have as last signs: above o bovine-like sign and underneath the house sign, as the house of the Sun-Bull )

“NERGAL”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nergal                                                                                             “…wich is a deity wich lives underground, associate with the second Sun (wich travel underground) and also  associated with fire and metallurgy.

Mr. Kolev, this is one shape of your En/Lord not matching with our H /ladder with 3 rungs :                                  “EN2”                                                                                     =============================

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