POSSIBLE IDENTIFICATION OF TARTARIA TABLET’S SCRIBE ANCESTRY


Some time ago, I was puzzled to find in Romanian language far back in time roots . Going not only to Proto-Indo-European roots, but other depassing this border and going toward Nostratic family. There are papers of romanian thracologist Sorin Paliga related to the same issue.I will make a post with a critic analisis of his papers, and adding my own finds.                                                                                                                                                          ————————————————————————————–                                                               OLD EUROPE

From my recollection nobody analised what Old Europe left to Indo-European family.    In my opinion, there are evidences that Europe is indebtet to Old Europe with a great heritage. In Indo-European culture and particularly in linguistics there are traces of that of Old Europe legacy. There was Vinca Culture, and later Cucuteni-Trypillia from wich remained a great “written” expresion of their cultural developement.                                 THE VINCA CULTURE MADE GREAT CULTURAL ADVANCES AND MOST OF THE NECESSARY STEPS TOWARD A TRUE WRITING. BUT PITY BEFORE ATAINING THIS GOAL NOT SIMPLY DISSAPEARED, BUT MOOVED, SUFFERED METHAMORPHOSIS AND INTERMINGLED WITH OTHER FOLOWING CULTURES.                                                                      In neolithic archaeologists show no significant finds in the Aegean area, area presenting as beeing mostly inhabited. Many scientists are suposing that Aegean culture if not appeared but at least influenced by o possible from north-coming “hyperborean” migration.

Early on from Vinca Culture, emerged italo-celtic branch.                                                  From https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/balkan-aryan-waves/

From  https://aleximreh.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/balkan-aryan-waves/                           “It is therefore likely that the Mycenaean descended from Russia to Greece between 1900 and 1650 BCE, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new unique Greek culture.”

There was found DNA clues that micenaeans had Eastern European DNA.

From Ancient DNA analysis reveals Minoan and Mycenaean origins August 2, 2017, University of Washington Health Sciences https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html                                                                                            “While both Minoans and Mycenaeans had both “first farmer” and “eastern” genetic origins, Mycenaeans traced an additional minor component of their ancestry to ancient inhabitants of Eastern Europe and northern Eurasia. This type of so-called Ancient North Eurasian ancestry is one of the three ancestral populations of present-day Europeans, and is also found in modern Greeks.”

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html#jCpOthers are sustaining that some of the Cretan minoans were early sumerian migrants.Other scientists related to the field of writing,are hypothesing that Aegean writing it is indebted to early signs of Vinca Culture.                                                ————————————————————————                                                                              The emergence of writing  is basic, necessary related to economical and cultural developement. But the “turbo-engine” was trading.No wonder that Mediteranean, especially Eastern part with example Crete was in the hearth of long-time commercial and cultural exchanges.                                                                                                                                                    ————————————————————————-                                                                       Now regarding to Tartaria tablets. Many top-level scientists found that at the first sight, the tablets signs are closest to those sumerian proto-cuneiform. My explanation is that Near-Eastern and Anatolian migrants brought that signs. That signs uprooted here because there were allready made and ordered, standardised; were advanced in order to beeing able in a great measure to transmit knowledge.  From other perspective, I suppose that Vinca and Cucuteni-Trypillia people were the ancestors of Pelasgians. Pelasgians advanced toward an writing system but pity, not got to the finish.                        Only when part of them came down to Aegean the trade engine finished writing developement.                                                                                                                         ——————————————————————–                                                                                It seem that in Tartaria tablets one could detect the effort to sinthesise and adapt Vinca, Danube writing developement to Aegean gainings.                                                                      THAT’S WHY THE TARTARIA TABLETS “WRITING” IS NOT SUMERIAN PROPER, NOR AEGEAN PROPER EITHER, BUT COULD BE kind of “PELASGIAN” attempt.

POSSIBLE TARTARIA TABLETS SHOW UNSUCCESFUL ENDEAVOR OF NORTHERN PELASGIANS TO USE THEIR OWN WRITING. AS THRACIANS, DACIANS AND LATINS FINALY THEY USED GREEK WRITING.

IF MOST OF THE TARTARIA TABLETS SIGNS SHOW AN VERY EARLY STAGE IN WICH SEEMS THAT PELASGIANS CANNOT FULLY UNDERSTAND AND USE SUMERIAN SIGNS, THE UPPER PART OF THE ROUND TABLET MAYBE SHOW THE USE OF ARCHAIC GREEK ALPHABET.

THE TABLETS WERE INTENDED TO BE A SOUTHERN PELASGIANS (CRETE?) SPECIMEN TRANSMITED TO NORTHERNERS, TO SHOW (mostly unsuccesful) HOW THE WRITING IS MADE,USED AND READ/UNDERSTAND                                                            ——————————————————————————————–                                                Note                                                                                                                                                        We don’t know what language or greek dialect was used, and don’t know either if we have on upper half of the round tablet heta-rho or eta-rho ; ddoc/ddoo or rroc/rroo or what is the sign +++++ for sure.                                                                                                     EG: POSSIBLE THE UPPER HALF OF THE ROUND TABLET SHOW USE OF ILLYRIAN LANGUAGE  Image from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Su?/50?                                                                                           HERA/HERE                              R R o c

===================================================================== ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION =====================================================================                 From The Evolution of the Indo-European Languages Dr. C. George http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/indoeuropean.html

c. 5000 bc. Homeland:  The Danube River valley (Wallachia and Hungary).  Farming learned from the people of Asia Minor.  Cultivation of native rye and oats and domestication of native pigs, geese, and cattle begins.  Strong tribal sociey develops. There are many reasons for choosing the Danube River valley:  Farming is possible, although the land is less than desirable to more powerful tribes from the south; the flora and fauna of the valley, as well as for other natural features such as hills and rivers, are represented by the oldest words we can reconstruct; it includes the natural ranges of wild horses which, when later domesticated, would become the Indo-European’s “ace card”;  the area is central to the eventual expanse of the Indo-Europeans, with due allowance for the more rapid expanse commonplace over steppe-lands;  the area is also in close proximity to some of the most conservative recent representatives of the family.

The most compelling reason is the presence of the Danubian culture, with its linear incised pottery, at this same time.  The culture spreads soon after in exactly the directions that would account for the spread of PIE. There are, of course, many other possibilities.  The most common suggestion is the steppes north of the Black Sea, for many similar reasons.  I believe that the strong tribal social structure suggests that the Indo-Europeans were farmers before they were pastoralists.  It is highly unlikely that they went straight from steppe hunter-gatherers to sophisticated pastoralists in one step.

c. 4000 bc. Proto-Anatolians move east to the northern Caucasus.  They would be profoundly influenced by the advanced cultures of Asia Minor and beyond. Proto-Tokharians  move east into the Ukraine.  These people are the most likely originators of the horse culture.  There is also plenty of evidence of ox-drawn wagons with disk wheels in the western steppes. A western dialect emerges on the upper Danube and beyond.  The enclosed steppe of the Hungarian Plain is an ideal position to blend farming with a horse culture.

c. 3000 bc. Copper working, begins in Thrace and the Danube valley and reaches Germany by 3000 bc. Domestication of the horse spreads from the Ukraine.  Within a thousand years, horsemanship spreads from the Ukraine throughout the Indo-European area, even into Scandinavia.  It is the steppe inhabitants who change most dramatically into true pastoral societies.  In the more wooded areas of Europe, horse ownership begins to differentiate a warrior nobility from commoners.  Of course, use of the horse spreads to the non-IE societies of the Middle East as well.

The disk-wheel wagon has spread from Russia across Europe to Holland. The Proto-Anatolians move from the Caucasus to Asia Minor. The Proto-Tokharians continue east to the steppes, towards the Tarim Basin in northwestern China.  They may be the people known to the Chinese as the Yüeh-chi, and may have been the core of the Kushan Empire of the first century AD.

The Proto-Celts separate from the rest of the western dialect and expand west into southern Germany and France, where they develop the Michelsburg culture and begin to strongly pressure the pre-PIE people, likely including the ancestors of the Basques and Aquitanians.  The remaining western dialect tribes edge into the modern Slovenia-Croatia area as well as northern Germany. (R1b– ydna)

The main body of Indo-Europeans expands into Thrace, the Ukraine, Bohemia, and Poland, and begins to differentiate into a northern dialect – Bohemia, Poland, and Hungary, represented by the Funnel Beaker culture and a southern dialect – Wallachia, Thrace, and Ukraine, continuing the Danubian culture. The original inhabitants north and west of the Carpathians, likely speakers of Uralic languages, are pushed further north and east.                                                                                                               c. 2500 bc.

Bronze working develops throughout Indo-European area.

The Proto-Italics, who speak a western dialect, move west and south from the Slovenia area into Italy. There they would encounter well-established pre-PIE people, possibly the ancestors of the Etruscans and Rhaetians.
The Proto-Illyrians, speaking a western dialect (perhaps), move south from the northern Croatia area into Illyria (the Dalmatian coast).

One branch of the southern dialect – Proto-Hellenic – moves south into Macedonia, Greece, and the Aegean islands, absorbing much of the Pelasgian people and culture.  By 1500 bc, the southern-most tribes would establish the Mycenaean culture.

The Proto-Germanics move into Scandinavia. Odd aspects of Proto-Germanic may be due to interaction with northern Celtic tribes, Baltic tribes, and possibly to the presence of native speakers of Uralic languages in Scandinavia.

The remaining body of Indo-Europeans (the Baltic, Poland, Bohemia, the Hungarian Plain, Wallachia, Thrace, the Ukraine and the neighboring steppes) – both northeast and southeast dialects – undergoes the Satem phonetic changes.

c. 2000 bc.

The horse-drawn, two-wheeled chariot, with spoked wheels, is developed in the western steppes, and spreads quickly to the Balkans as well as the Middle East.A branch of the southeastern Satem dialect – Proto-Indo-Iranian – expands from Ukraine and the steppes into Afghanistan, Iran, and into India.  One tribe – the Mittani – goes as far west as northern Mesopotamia. The well-established cultures influence the newcomers greatly, but the Proto-Indo-Iranians of the steppes maintain their language.

The main body of the southestern Satem dialect expands into the Ukraine to become the Cimmerians, leaving the Dacians in the original homeland.  I suspect that the Dacians and Thracians spoke a Cimmerian-like dialect. These people would develop the steppe version of the Battle Ax culture.

The main body of the northeastern Satem dialect – Proto-Balto-Slavic – expands north from Poland into Belarus and the Baltic coast.  With the Germans, they would develop the northern version of the Battle Ax culture.

The Celts expand further into western Europe and, in a retrograde move, back into Hungary.  A powerful society, they pressure the original peoples of western Europe, as well as their own relations to the east.  They develop the Bell-beaker culture and, later, the Urnfield culture.

Anatolians (most notably the Hittites) establish themselves in Asia Minor, where they become a major power.  Their languages are profoundly affected by neighboring non-IE languages.

A second wave of Hellenics (Doric Greeks) moves into Greece from Macedonia.

 

 

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