CONGRATULATIONS, RUMEN KOLEV !/my coments on paper.

Careful/ Attention !                                                                                                                                                     This post is not a decipherment or reading of any actual written content of Tartaria tablets. Given that the signs do not belong to a single writing system but to several, the page has a purely didactic character. It has the role of trying and testing different writings, in the idea that the tablets would have used one of them. The signs on the tablets belong to several writing systems over a long period of time and which have been used in different geographical areas. In none of the trials did the signs fall into a single type of writing, there always remained signs that came from other writings (or as coming from the unknown). Most of the signs come from the Sumerian proto-cuneiform -shaped ones. The signs in the upper half of the round tablet seem to come from archaic Greek writing. This “collection” of signs seems to be the fruit of one’s rich imagination. As A. Falkenstein and A. A. Vaiman found, (this is also my firm opinion) the author was not a scribe, he had only vague notions about writing in general, and it is not known what he intended  or he was after. There are many elements of inconsistency as well as others that take the tablets out of the usual patterns and norms of honest logic, writing and intentions.  ====

Here is the paper of the bulgarian scientist, assyrologist RUMEN KOLEV :                                                                          ПЛОЧКИТЕ ОТ ТАРТАРИЯ И ЧАШАТА ОТ СУВОРОВО – ДВА „НАДПИСА” НА РАННАТА ДУНАВСКА КУЛТУРА И РАЗШИФРОВАНЕТО ИМ Румен Колев

            Out of this, besides, de writing developement is a continous processus for wich there are ( or at least must be found some) evidences. Vinca culture devolepement toward true writing ceased short before (hundreds years?) the moment of reaching the proto-writing stage.                                                      NO SINGLE PROOFED EVIDENCE  OF PROTO-WRITING IN VINCA CULTURE                                                         -So, both of above cited authors (M.Merlini & R.Kolev), were not aware enough of the worldwide developement of humankind and their respective cultures. In a culture, the necesity of keeping evvidences, numeration or religious purposes, must have an coresponding high level of developement and an social stratified hierarchical structure.                                                                                                       THE AGE OF THE BONES CANNOT BE TRANSLATED AUTOMATICALLY AS BEEING THE AGE OF THE TABLETS, ALL WERE FOUND IN AN CULTIC SITE BUT NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE WHERE WAS IN REALITY PLACED EVERY ITEM !       

Section II – STATE OF THE ART OF THE RESEARCH ON THE NEOLITHICAND COPPER AGE SCRIPT FROM SOUTHEASTERN EUROPE               << 3.C.d Approach 3: Reconciling the tablets with C14 dating evidence maintaining that they might havebeen intrusive from the upper strata >>

From all writing systems used throughout ages SUMERIAN PROTO-CUNEIFORM shows closest. Remember, with proto-cuneiform signs, one cannot write, there is PROTO-WRITING !                     

       Only A.Falkenstein was for sumerian signs:                                                                                          Section II – STATE OF THE ART OF THE RESEARCH ON THE NEOLITHICAND COPPER AGE SCRIPT FROM SOUTHEASTERN EUROPE                                                                                                                                          <<  The leading position was established by A. Falkenstein, responsible for the publication of the tablets fromUruk, who pointed out a strict correlation with Uruk III B that belonged to the same cultural horizon as thoseof Jemdet Nasr and argued that the signs were definitely Sumerian. Falkenstein’s line of reasoning was basedon four pilasters:……                                    Close, but not the same, not sumerian proper, as noticed before ,opinion of the scientists main stream: Makkay, A.A.Vaiman and others, including myself.                                                                                                                                                           Section II – STATE OF THE ART OF THE RESEARCH ON THE NEOLITHICAND COPPER AGE SCRIPT FROM SOUTHEASTERN EUROPE                                                                                                                                               “The tablets, in all probability, are mere imitation of original Mesopotamian ones, made with a magic purpose without any real  understanding, possibly by a person who saw the usage of such tablets somewhere, between Southern Mesopotamia andSouth-eastern Europe, without a real knowledge, however, of the art of writing… It is well-known that theapotropaic power is specially felt among illiterate people” (Makkay 1974/5: 24)     …                                                                                                                                                                                          He presupposed that the mines in Anatolia could no longer satisfy the sudden increase in the demand for gold by the Mesopotamian city-states, therefore the request was channeled – possibly via the entrepreneurial merchants of the Cycladic islands – to the efficient Transylvanian mines (Makkay 1974/5: 27) ………………                                                                                                                                                                                                          Merchant adventurers moving along the routes connecting the Middle and Lower Danube, the Cyclades, Anatolia, and Mesopotamia may have been the go-between. Makkay assumed that the gold of Transylvania made merchants from the Near East, Anatolia and Eastern Aegean establish contacts with that European area and pointed out that the ancient gold producing site of Zlatna in György valley is near Turdaş and Tărtăria. He presupposed that the mines in Anatolia could no longer satisfy the sudden increase in the demand for gold bythe Mesopotamian city-states, therefore the request was channeled – possibly via the entrepreneurial merchants of the Cycladic islands – to the efficient Transylvanian mines (Makkay 1974/5: 27)  …………….                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Gelb attributedthe tablets to Sumerian traders familiar with writing, or to a not better specified inhabitant of Transylvania who had a vague idea of Sumerian documents and aped them (Gelb 1967: 489).

Археологические вести. Спб, 1994. Вып. 3. Аннотации …                                                    A. A. Vaiman. On the QuasiSumerian tablets from Tartaria.                                    ================= in my opinion =========                                                                           The signs are “like” that sumerian proto-cuneiform, (Quasy-sumerian/A.A.Vaiman).Most of the signs reflects some exactly and some close sumerian shapes, thus reflecting an sumerian origin.This genetic filiation is reflected by many writing systems throughout ages and different areas.                                                                                                              Otherwise the display of the signs create the impression of mixed signs (even hodge-podge I dare to say). Don’t know why the scribe choosed to select the signs on every of the three tablets in kind of historical evolution, in three groups.                                                           – Pictographic only, on that pictographic oblong, without hole                                                   – mostly ideogram-logograms  on that oblong with hole                                                             – and some wich became later syllabograms/letters in other writing sistems, on that round one.                                                                                                                                      The scribe seem, (created me the impression) that wanted to parade ond show off his knowledge of the signs.

============================================                                                                              R.Kolev corectly noticed that on the tablet there is ” a mixture of sumerian ideograms and signs”                                                        – As I will show, R.Kolev not to precise identify each sumerian sign and show sumerian appearance and name. But luckily enough he succeded to corect identify many of them (bull/cattle, god, temple, branch/corn, altar, idea of offering, >> =sign “RU”,etc.). Where he has the sun sign, I have the (sun)GOD sign wich is close. All this green underlined are common with mines ! 

 Either don’t know why , and finaly I not grasp his understanding: 

  • As Mr. Merlini correctly observed that the tablets are made as to being carried/worn together around neck. In this situation the squared-one is covering uper side of that round-one. And not without reason. The writer intended that the covered message not to be seen by passer-by, probably is mystic-related and has a degree of power upon subjects on wich rituals were performed. Or used in rituals wich interfered with the people’s course of life or destiny.
  • So I do not understand at all why Mr. Kolev choosed to read in the first time (and only !) the visible mesage, not realising that the covered mesage could have a paramount importance !?
  • ==========================================                                                                THE EXOTERIC TEXT / OBLONG TABLET WITH HOLE                                                  Image from
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  • Out of the Kolev’s  “3 Moons” ,                                                                                                there are some 6 boxes, if one begin reading in circle, counterclockwise begining frum top. columns with signs.                                                                                                  Sign number from your sign-list table:                                                                                   ————————————
  • 1.  you: meaning “3 Moons”                                                                                                   Me: Could be, but as well could be
  • Me:   “3 x number 1″=”number 3” ?
  •            30? Image result for number sumerian 30
  • From   An Historical Survey of Number Systems
  • So “3 barley,grain ratios”
    From 1-st column,                                                                                                                      2. you:Symbol CORN                                                                                                                     Me: GOOD rendering . Note that the sign has a name.                                                    It is “SZE”:”barley,grain” Image, from Hot Cup of Joe: The Rise of Sumerian Culture
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  • “Sze”                                                                                                                            ——————————————
  • 3. You:?damaged sign?                                                                                                             NOT FOUND by you.                                                                                                                 Me: the sign › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns                                                                                      is PAP
  • Is sygnifying “1” or sign “BAD” “to open,to let out, to die”
    Sumerian BAD ‘when, as’, ‘master, lord’, ‘to depart,’                                                           ————————————————-
    4. you:”sign ES”temple” ,                                                                                                          Me:There is NO “ES” with such shape !,                                                                                   but AB:”house,temple” it is.
    me: the sign is “AB” meaning “abode,temple,house”                                          › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns
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  • 5. you: symbol “SUN”.NOT SHOWNED by you any SUN sign.
    Me: No, Mr. Kolev, the sign you showed was never an sumerian sign for sun !!!    (only in ancient Aegean realm)                                                                                                Could be sumerian sign › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns  SZENUR
  • Much close than “ SKY-GOD/SUN-GOD” is “Sky, heaven, Sky-God AN“, wich has a star-like shape › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns    AN                                                                                                                                   —————————————
    6. you: GUD symbol :Bull/Enlil                                                                                                         Me:  could be Bull, but you did not specify or show wich sign.
    The sign is UD5
  • But not proper bull, cause the head has triangle-shaped !
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  •  AMAR (CALF/vitellus)
  • Note: It seems that an early sign UD5 reprezented BOVIDAE, that mean bulls and/or goats !                                                                                                                                     From › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns      UD5~c
  • See No.7: Ud5                                                                                              
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  • 7. you: ? symbol “Cattle ?” me:
    YES “but not proper cattle , but BULL” The shape is much close to                                   From 7. What Is Known about Linear A                                                                              Mu=”Bull”  the bull head #012 
    (? also could be,combined signs Hi+Bar+Bar:” be numerous,multiply,spread out”?) ———————————————————————————
  •  8. Symbol ES “Temple” ; me: YES “Temple” but there is no proto-cuneiform sign ES:”temple”. You did not show the sign ES how
    is like! Sign AB showned before “Abode,house,temple” ===================================
    ROUND TABLET, LOWER HALF                                                                                                 9. you:SYMBOL BA :”give,offer”;                                                                                                                        me:YES (not exactly give,offer)
  • meaning:”divide into shares,share,halve, to allot
    My note:
    In sumerian the signs house +bull it is representing “the house of sun-Bull”, 2-nd representation of
    the sun, underground Sun :”NERGAL”                                                                                   ——————————————
    10. you: symbol RU:to sprinkle”( also:  to dedicate; to fall; to throw down”)                               me: YES.But you not show the sumerian sign and its name
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  • But not read Ru-Ru as you said, ONLY “RU”
    meaning RU:”poor out, impregnate
  • R.Kolev: ” signs 9/Ba and 10/Ru combined has the meaning of “to offer an libation”.
  • Me: No, Mr. Kolev their combined meanings are BaRu:
  •  From Sumerian Lexicon … de JA Halloran … .A bārû, in ancient Mesopotamian religion, is a practitioner of a form of divination based on hepatoscopy, … ——————————————————-
    11. you:symbol ENSI,PA high priest, branch !??                                                                    ” Sign 11,with sumerian phonetic value of ‘PA’ may mean also ‘branch’,’sceptre’, associated with power but maybe also with the holy tree.Actually its meaning of ‘club’,’scepter’ was its primal meaning  followed by that of ‘someone with a club,scepter’,’overseer’, someone in power’, ‘high priest’.”                                                   Finally he chossed ‘priest‘                                                                                                         me:YES, yes PA, but sign PA not meaning ENSI !.                                                                 From › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns
  • 1. From The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process by John A. Halloran
    pa4,5,6(-r): “irrigation ditch, small canal, dike” me:??
    2.meaning also: “swear, take an oath”
    the word ugula “overseer” (line 145) is written with the PA-sign
    Combined signs Ba Ru Pa:”Give/OMEN”
    12. KOLEV: “Signs 12 and 13,’fire’ and ‘altar’ taken together should mean ‘to make sacrifice’ ”                                                                                                                            symbol NE “fire” Labat 172 YOU DID NOT SHOW THE SHAPE not fire nor NE; I suppose you are refering to                                                                                              From › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns   NE
    that on left !? Labat 172 is not proto-cuneiform!                                                                                                                                                                                                          me: Quite close.You see that our sign not reflect the sign NE shape ;  the sign is
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  •   SZA
  • Sza, Sa=”to dry”                                                                                                                     From Sumerian Lexicon –  by JA Halloran                                                              ša: to dry up 
      This could be related to fire, in fact an portable altar and for burning incense !                                   ————————————- ?symbol? Altar ?
    me: not found by you. It is
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  •   sign ARARMA
  • Sun-God Shamas abode/temple,shrine”      (ud.ab)
  •   From Notes and Links on Larsa | e n e n u r u
    << For instance, the shrine at Larsa devoted to the ‘sungod‘ Utu/Shamash is represented by quite different … UNU˚, often simplified to ud.ab˚, and read in Sumerian as “Ararma” (MSL 11 p12l. 6: ≠UD±.UNUárárma ki and p. 54, l. 10: [a.ra].                                                                                                                               ——————————————————————————————————-                      REGARDING UPER HALF OF THE ROUND TABLET (coverd part) SIGNS:
    SIgn with shape of Cheth/Heth/Heta/Archaic Eta;                                                 
  • You:”Sign 1, looks somewhat damaged in
    the low left part.But what is left is enough to reconstruct it as the Sumerian sign” …and you sharply stopped explaing the sign.”Tell-tale sign is that the number 5 ( or 7 ) is connected with the First Quarter Moon, which happens really
    around the 5th-7th day after the appearance of the First Lunar Crescent.
    symbol or phonetic value: Meaning: Labat number 1: EN: Lord 99″
    me: NO way ! You said :”looks somewhat damaged in
    the low left part” Not at all.No trace of ligature from low end.I understand you are only imagining
    this, in order to have an other supposed sign wich is matching with an known proto=cuneiform sign.
    On proto-cuneiform signlist,
    You suppose sign EN and Mr.A.Vaiman suppose an APIN sign. WRONG FOR BOTH OF YOU !.
    It is close to proto-sumerian sign KU                                                                                From

  • From: The Proto-Sumerian Language Invention Process by John A. Halloran
    ku: to base, found, build; to lie down (reduplication class) [KU archaic frequency: 64; concatenates 3 sign variants].From Sumerian Cuneiform Dictionary Mugsar Online                                                                                     Sep 5, 1996 – The epochal Mugsar is the only standalone online Sumerian Cuneiform Dictionary … TRUE ETYMOLOGY | Proto Language Monosyllables PLM …… KU3, kug [1342x] = (to be) pure; [3875x] = metal, silver; (to be) bright, shiny .or
  • Note Signs D could mean also:
  • › pdf › mad2                                                                                               old akkadian writing and grammar – Oriental Institute
    << NINDA KU “they eat bread” >>
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    D-shape sign; you: symbol or phonetic value: Meaning: Labat number
    you,sign 2: symbol: Moon, The Moon god
    ?.Moon? maybe.But sumerians figured moon allwais lying:
  • You did not show how sumerian were figuring Moon or Moon God (Sin/Nanna!).
    Sumerian Questions and Answers – Sumerian Language Page K. Englund & J.-P. Grégoire, The Proto-Cuneiform Texts from Jemdet Nasr, …… itud, itid, itu, iti, id8; it4, id4: moon; month; moonlight (i3-, ‘impersonal verbal …
    They had other signs for month begining from the sign UD=”day” and modifying it to
    obtain in adition the signs for “month” and “year”
  • me: Sumerian used to represent Moon only crescent-turkic shape
  • “D-shape” sign, could be sign GAR
  • But much better “1”
  • KU & Sin/Suen
    my rendering :”BRIGHT,SHINY MOON”
    Sign +++++ you: “CORN”
  • Me: Could be .You did not show the sumerian sign.It is SE/SZE:”barley,wheat”
  • In fact the sign +++++ is Asz !!                                                                                                 From › tools › SignLists › protocuneiform › archsigns
  • Sign row D D o o                                                                                                                    you:”Phases of the moon” me: could be;

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  • by Rumen Kolev A COLLECTION of writings from 2000 – 2010 …. DECODING of the TARTARIA TABLETS 010 44 плочките › izdanij МАТЕРИАЛОЗНАНИЕ. ИЗВЕСТИЯ НА
    moon phases and after you,second come Mr. Merlini to propose the same (moon phases ) in 2015.
    Chronograms from the Danube Civilization to procreate a Child of the Moon Constantin-Emil Ursu,
    Adrian Poruciuc, Cornelia-Magda Lazarovici (eds.), From Symbols to Signs, Editura Karl A.
    Romstorfer, Suceava, 2015: 133-200
    me:number 22 or 1
  • ( see here DDD oo number 3+10+10 “23” /upside left corner/                                     Image, from
  • The interpretation of pictographic tablet is converging/consistent with the other two tablets interpretations:
  •                                                                                                                                                      There is about of an offering/see the misty human silhuette (PA:”overseer), with outstreched hands, (Ba:”distribute, alot“) to the Sky-God (An) and to Sun-god Samas, this last represented by the calf (AMAR);  …..                                                             ? For good crops, for eating bread (Ninda-Ku) ?                                                                      We have also the Bull sign , related also to sun (but much similar in shape with Linear A:”Mu”=”Bull”)                                                                                                                           The  offering/sacrifice ritual was performed by a BaRu (a practitioner of a form of divination based on hepatoscopy, diviner), … he divide in shares, allot (Ba) and poor out, impregnate (Ru) with water?incense?                                                                  It consisted of some measures (DDoo 1+1+10+10=22?) of cereals, wheat (Asz/As) and goats (at least two on pictographic tablet; Ud5).                                                                          There are pictured also the religion signs :                                                                        ARARMA:’inner, sacred precinct of the Sun-God Samas temple and                               Sza. Sa: “to dry up” (incence?)
  • Note:                                                                                                                                            As well could be involved the god  +++++=”As”:”single,unique” and “Sur” = AsSur, where “00” means “whole”
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  • Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the …

     << When the diviner, who was called baru,poured oil into a bowl of water which he held .>> › sites › default › files › coretexts                                                                       yale oriental series – Etana mesopotamia – Oriental Institute – University of Chicago                           …   ” the baru “seer” or “inspector.” 

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