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Getii, varianta mitica pentru ignoranti.Getes, mythical variant for ignorants.

May 30, 2020

Cand vine vorba despre originea getilor/geto-dacilor, exista cateva ipoteze, unele indreaptandu-se in aceasta directie: When it comes to the origin of getae/geto-dacians, there are some hypothesis some directed toward:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-Jhutti-36 Less credible, however, are parallel claims by Alexander Cunningham that the Xanthii (or Zanthi) and Iatioi – mentioned by Strabo, Ptolemy and Pliny – may have been synonymous with the Getae and/or Jats.[35] The Xanthii were later established to be a subgroup (tribe or clan) of the Dahae. Subsequent scholars, such as Edwin PulleyblankJosef Markwart (also known as Joseph Marquart) and László Torday, suggest that Iatioi may be another name for a people known in classical Chinese sources as the Yuezhi and in South Asian contexts as the Kuṣānas (or Kushans).[36

From Massagetae – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Mas… The Massagetae, or Massageteans, were an ancient Eastern Iranian nomadic tribal … Maurus, De Universo, states: “The Massagetae are in origin from the tribe of the Scythians, and are called Massagetae, as if heavy, that is, strong Getae.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Origins The Scythians (/ˈsɪθiən, ˈsɪð-/; from Greek Σκύθης, Σκύθοι), also known as ScythSakaSakaeIskuzai, or Askuzai, were a nomadic people who dominated the Pontic steppe from about the 7th century BC up until the 3rd century BCCultures sharing these characteristics have often been referred to as Scythian cultures, and its peoples called Scythians.[3][26] ……………. Peoples associated with Scythian cultures include not only the Scythians themselves, who were a distinct ethnic group,[27] but also CimmeriansMassagetaeSakaSarmatians, and various obscure peoples of the forest steppe,[2][3] such as early SlavsBalts, and Finno-Ugric peoples.

Acum ma voi referi strict la acesti Kusani=Yuezhi/Ruan-Ruan.Now I would reffer strictly to that Kushans=Yuezhi/Ruan-Ruan

A se vedea: https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/hhshu/notes13.html Secțiunea 13 – Regatul Da Yuezhi大月氏(Kushans) Prima teorie, dezvoltată de WB Henning în lucrarea sa din 1965, „primii indo-europeni din istorie”, este discutată la un moment dat în Mallory și Mair (2000), p. 281-282. Ei explorează sugestia lui Henning că pronunția străveche a lui „Yuezhi” ar putea fi aproximativ reconstruită ca * Gu (t) -t’i și au legat-o de poporul „Guti” care a început să hărțuiască granițele vestice ale Babilonului din c . 2100 BCE .

Din “pacate” nu exista dovezi arheologice privind existenta unei asemenea migratii pe teritoriul tarii noastre din aceasta perioada si din aceasta arie. In schimb se poate vorbi de o alta migratie din Asia intr-o perioada mult mai tarzie. “Pitty” there are no archaeological hard evidences of such a migration on our territory from that time and area.In turn there is a much later migration from Asia.

Din https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/189112348.pdf From the viewpoint of European history, the so-called Asian Avars are traditionally identified as the Ruanruan (402-555). The term Avars refers to the European Avars (567-822), i.e. the Asian Avars that entered Europe in 555 AD (see i.a. Pohl 2002).
The Nagyszentmiklós treasure to which the Buyla inscription belongs (see §2 below) is associated with the last remnants of the European Avar culture, i.e. the one which spread over the Carpathian basin during the 8ال-9ه centuries. Good summaries with additional literature of the two major competing interpretations regarding the ethnolinguistic affinities of the Ruanruan can be found in Golden (1992: 76-79), who presents the traditional position that the Ruanruan were actually a Mongolic language population, and Janhunen (1996: 190), who believes that the linguistic core of the Ruanruan was Turkic. Beckwith (2009: 390-391) points out that “[c]areful study of the Jou-jan [= Ruanruan] names in the Chinese sources could shed light on the ethnolinguistic afhnities of the Jou-jan; until that is done, speculation on the subject is premature.” In the same vein, see Vovin’s remarks (2007: 180, 184-185). Incidentally, the hypothetical connection between the ethnonyms ruanruan andju(r)cen ‘Jurchen’ echoed by Helimski (2000b: 137) is most likely false and should be abandoned (for the etymological intricacies of the termju(r)cen, see Janhunen 2004). As is custom in recent specialist literature on Tungusic linguistics and in agreement with some of the ideas by Janhunen on phonological transcription (1987, 1996: xiii-xiv), Helimski’s has been replaced , with , ❤ & 3> and merged in and , respectively, vowel length is written with double-vowels. Other conventions: Northern Tungusic (= Northwestern: Ewenki, Ewen, Solon, Negidal, Arman, Udihe), Southern Tungusic (= Amurian Tungusic: Oroch, Nanay, Kilen, Kili, Ulcha, Orok), with Udihe and Oroch serving as a bridge between one branch and the other, Manchuric (Early and Late Jurchen, Written Manchu [= WM], Spoken Manchu and Sibe), Common Tungusic [= CT] (all languages but Manchuric, i.e. Northern Tungusic + Southern Tungusic), and Proto-Tungusic (= Pan-Tungusic = Common Tungusic + Manchuric). “Lit.” stands for “Literary”, and <-n> for (lightly) nasalized hnal vowel. The difference between Proto-Tungusic and Pan-Tungusic is that the latter does not make any claims regarding the (genealogical) inheritance of a given word, i.e. it may refer to both inherited and borrowed terms (see for instance the presence of English loanwords across entire linguistic families: they are common, pan-elements, but not proto-elements; the former emphasizes the synchronic distribution, the latter its diachronic depth). It may be worth noting that the Middle Amur region is commonly identihed as the most likely Urheimat for the parental language from which all the Tungusic languages descend (see general discussion in Janhunen 1996: 167-172, and also Janhunen 1985, 2012, 2013: 27-28; for further details on the Northern Tungusic expansion, see Atknine 1997 and, for the larger Altaistic perspective, see Miller 1994)

Avars entered Europe in 555 A.D. ! and late Avars and last remnants of late European avars spread over Carpathian basin during the 8th-9th centuries. !! So the getes were not originated in an Asian scythian-massagetae-Kushan/ruan-ruan=yuezhi people, this kind of people was a migratory mongolian-tungusic-avar people of much late time. Had little influence and not changed the genomic structure of the population pool.

A se vedea/see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars

================================================================ TABLITELE DE LA TARTARIA legate de avari!? TARTARIA TABLETS related to Avars ?

Urmare a cercetarilor mele am tras concluzia ca tablitele nu sant sumeriene ramanand in discutie foarte putine optiuni privind originea scrisului: cariene, Egeene=arhaice grecesti sau avare.Chiar posibil scris latin.

Aici ma voi referi la posibilitatea de a fi avare. In pagina Comoara de Nagyszentmiklós https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_of_Nagyszentmikl%C3%B3s#Inscriptions se arata ca acesti avari sant de fapt niste triburi de factura kazara si cei care au lasat inscriptia au fost cica o ramura a lor, kavarii.Atentie, o alta inscriptie de acolo este scrisa in limba greaca!

Limba inscripției nu este clar cunoscută. Deși nu există un consens în ceea ce privește semnificația inscripției, au fost sugerate mai multe traduceri (a se vedea articolul din inscripție ) și există un acord general că Buyla și Butaul sunt nume sau titluri turcești și că sunt asociate cu titlul de župan .„Numărul 8 inscripție cu arc” din Tezaurul lui Nagy Szent Miklos; script runiform.Există o altă inscripție în limba greacă . =========================================================== Pe Tablita rotunda iese in evidenta o secventa care mie mi-a sarit in ochi fiindca foloseste caractere=litere arhaice grecesti:

(HP)/HD? +++++ . D D o o

EDi Xi/Si? . DDoo

Acest DDoo este folosit ca terminatie in familia tungusica, limba orok (numita si ulita) si arata desemnarea,posesia: This -ddoo it is used in tungusik linguistics family, to be more specific in orok language (known also as ulita) From inscription – Core core.ac.uk › download › pdf

Language Ending Description Reference Orok -ddoo- + POSS.REF Partitive Petrova (1967: 51-52)

From https://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/etymology.cgi?single=1&basename=%2Fdata%2Falt%2Ftunget&text_number=1390&root=config Proto-Tungus-Manchu: *edī-Altaic etymology: Altaic etymology

Meaning: husbandRussian meaning: муж Evenki: edī Even: edi Negidal: edī Ulcha: edi(n) Orok: edi Nanai: eǯi Oroch: edi

Proto- Altaic : * ĕd VNostratic: Nostratic

Înțeles: gazdă, soț Meaning:”husband,host” Sens rusesc: хозяин, муж Turkic: * Ed i

Mongolă: * eǯen

Tungus-Manchu: * ed ī-

Proto-Altaic: * siNostratic: Nostratic

Înțeles: tu Meaning:you Sens rusesc: тыTurkic: * sẹ-

Tungus-Manchu: * si

Japoneză: * si

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ac18/b34fe4cb96095cdc045c26ae082ab2ad69c0.pdf 3.12 Personal endings
The simple nominative for and the other simple case forms cas
be followed by one of the personal endings which indicate the person and number of possessor.
SG PL
1st -bi (~VV-wi)[-ww ] -pu[-ppo
2nd –si (~Cii) -su (~C-cu)
3rd -ni -ci

Translation: EDi-Si (Si)-DDoo = you-husband as-(You) >>”as your husband” Note Interesting, when used archaic runic hungarian/sekely alphabet, I found the equivalent for the signs “HD” runic Ez-Ni, so could be mongolian eZeN:”husband” also ! Exista inca doua posibilitati======== There are also twoo more posibilities====

  1. Sa fie legate de crestinarea timpurie de catre biserica catolica/Vatican a noilor veniti avari sub supravegherea unor preoti absolventi ai unor universitati, preoti-profesori in doctrine/legislatie canonica, desemnare prescurtata in latina “ddoc”
  2. To be related to early catholic church/Vatican to christianise those avar newcomers, through the superivision of schollar-priests, designed with latin abbreviation “DDoc” ,doctor=teachers in canonical law (doctrine). So: HP – DDoc = HeRo- DDoc= Maestru-decretorum doctor/invatat,profesor in legislatie si doctrina canonica. Master-decretorum doctor/ teacher,professor in canonical law/doctrine.
  3. Au existat in preajma anilor 500 in Ungaria si Romania asemenea preoti cu inalte studii.(Ex. telegdy, Csanady). There were in Hungary and Romanian territory such high priests. (in Romania Telegdy Csanady). ———————————–
  4. Fratele Zsofiei Torma, Karoly Torma a fost doctor in lingvistica si arheolog de varf al timpului sau.A avut santiere arheologice in situri romane.Putea fi un cadou si surpriza totodata oferita surorii sale inainte de a primi titlul de doctor. De fapt acest titlu a devenit realitate si operant dupa moartea sa. Dansa era in mare suferinta fizica si se pare si intr-un gen de depresie.
  5. The brother of Zsofia Torma , Karoly Torma, was doctor in linguistoics and a top archaelogist of his time.Could be an gift offered to his sistersome time before she will receive the doctor title (wich in fact come after her death) in order to sustain her morally, and make her a gift and surprise. HP + DDoc = HeRa + doctor (in doctrine?)= Lady,Master + doctor=professor
  6. From Ressources / Abkürzungen / Cappelli online – Ad fonteshistadfontes02.uzh.ch › catego…
  1. For each image of an abbreviation, you can view an image of the … There are several ways to search for abbreviations. … 92, ddoc, decretorum doctorLatin …
  1. From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/erus?fbclid=IwAR1zEVcJuVWq4sr2rgM2Ekx-Bzn5BCiPCanoeQqcHAxrG8UzUWCLaDcfsxs Etymology From Proto-Italic *ezos(“master”) erus m (genitive eri)

  1. master of the house or family

Declension

Second-declension noun.

CaseSingularPlural
Nominativeeruserī
Genitiveerīerōrum
Dativeerōerīs
Accusativeerumerōs
Ablativeerōerīs
Vocativeereerī

In ambele cazuri ar putea fi astfel explicabila adunatura, scuze colectia de semne provenind dintr-o mare extensie temporala si o larga arie geografica.Altfel nu exista nici un alt exemplu similar in lume unde cineva sa foloseasca 3 sisteme de scriere (pictografic, ideografic si alfabetic) Chiar daca ar fi dorit sa arate principiul “rebus” sau sa arate evolutia scrisului in lume, modalitatea aleasa ar fi atat neobisnuita cat si extrem de ciudata.

In either cases there is an explanation for such a collection of other (the rest of the signs on the other tablets) from quite extensive different time and areas, wich seem to have the single purpose to be displayed. Otherwise there is no single example in the world (excepting Rosetta stone on other writings wich are rational explainable) where a scribe use 3 different writing systems.Even if one wanted to explain the rebus principle and the evolution of writing, is an uncommon weird way and attempt.