Tartaria oblong tablet with hole.Cretan hieroglyphic,Linear A,B approach

TARTARIA TABLETS.TARTARIA SQUARED TABLET (with hole)
Cretan hieroglyphic /LINEAR A/B approach
tartaria1
 
 
As an hypothetical actual (2018)work-plan ,and what I am expecting,
-I search for  oldest possible signs and writings
– more searching efforts for/inclose-by areas (Aegean/Vinca-Turdas) than Sumer or the other side of the Earth
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 We have folowing signs
– those D-s (3 signs)
Problem!:
In linear B were used units of volume measurements, but de D-like signs were orienteded there 90 deg.rotated, in horizontal pozition:
 
 
 
Rather for month, 3 month ?
 
 
 
Folowing image from: Linear B “month”
 
 
MEN, gen. MENOS :”MONTH”My note: !Not Moon !
Mirror reversed:
 
 
 
 
 
 
Next to these signs, :
 
 
 
Usually associated with agriculural products as
 barley:
 Linear A, John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/  *04 (TE), common 
 
Linear B, Cretan“TE” “Wheat “
 
So could be 3 monts/volume measures of some sort of grain”(gr.sitos)
Exemple from proto-elamite:
 
Note that this sign we have rather pertain to proto-writing. In linear B we have signs for specific kind of grains:
:
 
 
 
Downward,in a kind of box,Y-like sign,
 
You see is absolutely ISOLATE /very strange/very rare
Normally must be interpreted with an isolate meaning,but wich could be the meaning? Branch,distress (divergent shape) !??
 
 
consonants only
whole words/logograms
supports
S
SA
logogram
HT 27b.1, b.2, b.5, b.6; HT 97b (precedes *332); HT 114b.1 (precedes VINa)
 
 
 
 
 
Cretan hieroglyphic sign DA
In my opinion could be.And I ad taking all the risks and folowing rumors,interpreted from many words as DA-I from accounting tablets even from sacred I-DA,
DA= this “IT IS” (excuse same as in german)firm as EARTH
 
 
 
Cretan hieroglyfic meaning DA/SA ??

Arkalochori – Αρκαλοχωρι

on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for DA– is connected to “dea/thea” 
Hieroglyphic sign Y yet not solved,in testing.
 
 
 
 

I-DA-MA-TE, DA-MA-TE, DEMETER 
AKKO

It is now perhaps possible to ‘read’ IDA-MA-TE on double axes from the Cave at Arkalochori as well as DAMA-TE on a religious inscription from the peak-sanctuary above Kastri on Kythera.
The second part of the word -MA-TE is probably the Indo-European word for Mother, including the nomen agentis –TE. Mother is the most stable word in the Indo-European languages (excluding Hittite and Anatolian Languages) whereas the first part I-DA-/DA– could be interpreted as Mount Ida, just visible from the Arkalochori Cave, or perhaps DA/GA meaning Earth, i.e., Earth Mother, DemThis would not be a surprise but it is interesting that it is on a Minoan inscription, found in a religious context dating to the 17th Century B.C. Another possible hypothesis for DA– is connected to “dea/thea” according to Hesychios. It has also been suggested that Demeter be connected with *P.-I.-E. dms meaning house, (-inthos), thus she would be ‘Mistress of the House’ similar to ‘Lady of the Labyrinth’.eter.
 
                      I-DA-MA-TE
 
  NA-DA-TE  (Phaistos disc)
 
Y-sign=DA:”dea/Thea-EARTH
 
Opinion: (Mount) IDA ;”LANDscape”(image,icon)
Linear A,”SA
 
 
Also could be linear B= “SA
 
 
 *31, SA, perhaps a logogram for *SA-SA-ME?; cf. HT 23a.4-5 SA-SA-ME, and PH 16b.1, HT 97b (cf. Linear B sa-sa-ma)
Once again applying Linear B reading to the previous Linear A texts, we see the sign sequence ja-sa-sa-ra-me. This sequence is very interesting because it appears very often in many other such votive inscriptions in slightly different variants.
 
 
Reading:
 
Y-sign = DA: dea / Thea / EARTH
 
Opinion: (Mount) IDA ;”LANDscape”(image,icon)
 
Next,downward,also “boxed”, folow a sign wich ressemble violin,labrys?/ 2 merged lozenges ?;
In our inscription,the shape is much close to a twig,not to an Y shape
Could be interpreted as isolate,the evidence is that is separate in a box/compartment.
 
 
 
 
 

 

Cycladic Art and Art related to Cyclades Islands – Les Musées Barbier …

 
 
   
Note:the sign wich is repeated as the last sign on the tablet
 
 
Not much to see.  But here’s its Linear A counterpart:
 
 
 The sine qua non is the interpretation of labyrinth as “Place of the Double Axes,
The Cretan Hieroglyphic evidence is even more explicit:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
There are saying that the sign is at the origin of “A”:
 
 
 
 
 
 
Linear B : SA + DA-PU ? SA + QA-YO ? see down my interpretation for QAYO.
 
In Crete were found inscribed pebbles containing same sign as in our (Y,X) tablet:
 
SA+ labrys(A) https://linearbknossosmycenae.com/tag/ax/
 
As illustrated above, early Minoan hieroglyphic roundels and seals may lend some insight into the later development of the Linear A syllabary. Notice that the the hieroglyphic for an axe or labrys looks remarkably like the Linear A and Linear B syllabogram for A, while the Y shaped hieroglyphic, whatever it is supposed to represent (and no one knows what), is similar to the Linear A syllabogram for SA. So it is conceivable, however remotely, that this hieroglyphic seal may actually read asa or saa, whichever way you read it (not that we have any idea what that is supposed to mean).Then we have the hieroglyphic marked with an asterisk (*). This looks very much like a vase, amphora or flask to hold wine, water or possibly even olive oil. There is another one which looks like a fish. That should not be too surprising, given that the ideogram for fish does appear on at least one extant Linear A fragment from Phaistos, as we have witnessed in a recent previous post. Finally, on the bottom line, the seal marked (f) bears a hieroglyphic which looks like a bat, and this in turn may very well be the antecedent to the Linear A syllabogram MA. But this hieroglyphic is not that of a bat, but rather of a cat, which we can see from the beautiful seal on the top left of the illustration. This is substantiated by the some of the variations in the scribal hands for Linear A MA, which indeed look like the visage of a cat, as we see here:
 
My.note.Pity,from the vase fish bat cat all is turning to some kind of dissaray

 

 

Essays on Ancient Anatolia in the Second Millennium B.C.

Prince Mikasa no Miya Takahito (son of Taishō, Emperor of Japan) – 1998 – ‎Civilization, Assyro-Babylonian
W. Wiist reconstructed an IE *peleku14 of sacred use that would go back to a pre-IE digging implement of the Mesolithic of NW Europe and pre-Mesolithic ... Mycenaean dapur-, Hittite tabarna/tla- barna/labarna(s) from a Sumerian balag, Assyrian pilakku, Sanskrit paraqu, Greek pelekus, designating a certain type of axe.
 
My note
DAPUR <?> rom.TOPOR
history.uaic.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/HABILITATION-Poruciuc.pdf
 Iranian” tapara „axe
 
SA+  labrys icon (A)
 
Only IF Ysign=SA
Tentatively but not supported even by myself,to connect the signs in-between obtaining words and conequent meanings !
 

As a kind of test,

          AASA,ASA,

 

Proto-Indo-European Roots – The Indo-European Database

00001. Palaic ash- (to be), Hieroglyphic Hittite asa, sa (to be), Nesian Hittite es-, Luwian as-

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂eHs- – Wiktionary

00001. *h₂eHs-eh₁-(ye)- (stative). Italic: *āzēō (“to be dry”). Latin: āreō · *h₂s-tḗr (“star”); *h₂eHs-h₂- (hearth,fireplace”). Anatolian: Hittite: [script needed] c (ḫāššā-, “fireplace, hearth”); Lycian: [script needed] c (xahadi-, “altar”). Italic: *āzā (“altar”). Old Latin: asa. Latin: āra. Oscan: aasa- (“altar”)
 
AASA,ASA: “ALTAR” !
 
So even asasarame could be the altar of sasara,asara=ishtar

Minoan Asasarame is not a deity??
Asasarama is *not* Minoan

Given the formulation of the original hypothesis, Bayndor errs some more when he states: Isḫassara- is a compound stem, made up from isḫa- = ‘lord’ and the feminizing suffix -sara-, thus meaning ‘lady’. None of its parts have a particularly good Indo-European etymology.” Yet the source of -sara- is already commonly known to be from Proto-Indo-European *-s(o)r-, a suffix present also in Celtic and Indo-Iranian! Therefore Asasarama *can only be* from an Anatolian Indo-European language like Hittite. Even Judith Weingarten, who we may also assume studies Minoan rather extensively, falls into the same false reasoning in her comment further below: “So, I’ll stick with Isḫa-ssara as the most likely parallel, also because it seems non-Indo-European in origin.” Sigh.



There’s a difference between the origins of isḫa- and of isḫassara-

As I said above, isḫassara- ‘lady’ is a transparently Anatolian formation so any talk of its possible Minoan origins is off to left field. Nonetheless it’s true that the *root* of this Hittite word, isḫa- ‘lord’, may very likely come from Hattic asḫaf ‘lord, god’ (= asḫapasḫaw) as per Jaan Puhvel in his Hittite dictionary. This particular non-IE etymology can have little to do with the source of Minoan Asasarama though and we must endeavor to keep these irrelevant side-facts separated in intelligent discussion on the matter.
 
 
 
 
Such cyclades-tipe statuettes were found in entire Cycladic area.But in astonishing great number were found in Keros island.All broken.No pair could be matched.Scholars say that these statuettes were used in burial rituals (as is  the case with Tartaria artefacts !)Keros Island was an center for a kind of unknown ritual.
 
 
My opinion about labrys-like sign is that upon the sign had an unknown yet meaning with deep in time origin.
As weird could be for you, I suppose that the origin is further in the East,possible proto-cuneiform=proto-sumerian signs like:
 
SZITA~a3
 
 
ZAG~c
 
 
http://www.sumerian.org/sumerian.pdf                                  zag, zà: boundary, border, limit, side; cusp, beginning; territory, district, place; sanctuary; percentage; a measure for fish; shoulder; right (side); front; outside of (life + to encircle) [ZAG archaic frequency: 71; concatenates 3 sign variants].
 
GA’ARb1 ; GA’AR~b1
 
 
 
=====================================================================================Next, an insect/miriapod-like sign, is found in more and less simylar shape all over:
Overall apearance as umerian signd multiple superposed X-esDINGIR”/God/sky
With not so many limbs,spikes                                 
From John Jounger http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/                                                 *44 (KE), only in ligature                
 
 
 
 
 
A - | A+
 
 
 
 
 
6208
Gold signet ring, Tiryns, 15th cent. BC.
It is the largest known Mycenaean ring. It depicts a procession of lion-headed daemons holding libation jugs and moving towards an enthroned goddess. The goddess wears a long chiton and raises a ritual cup. Behind the throne is an eagle – symbol of dominion. The sun and moon are shown in the sky.
 
 
 
 
 
 
KE”(2-nd in the first row)
 
 
 
Next, donkey-like picture or sign shape.
See luwian hierogliphyc “donkey”http://glyphs.webfoot.com/blog/2011/01/26/luwian-hieroglyphics-turkey-1400bc/
 
 
 
But we have much close to it:
LINEAR B “MA”
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
My proposal is hyeroglyph,sign for God/Goddess + MA
 

Like: ja-sa-sara  ma

 

From; Glyph-Breaker – Page 130 – Google Books Result

Steven R. Fischer – 1997 – ‎Social Science
The -mel-ma of a-sa-sa-ra-me /ja-sa-sarama (-na) probably represents an -m ending whose graphic reproduction was optional for the Minoan scribe. … The form ja-sa-sa-ra suggests an initial h- sound whose graphic reproduction was similarly optional: In Mycenaean Greek Linear B, as John Chadwick wrote back in the …

 

Divine Images and Human Imaginations in Ancient Greece and Rome

2009 – ‎Social Science
In the singular case of a votive inscription on the preserved lower part of a small clay figurine from Poros we can read RI-QE-TI-A-SASARA-s, probably revealing the often mentioned term A-SASARA as the name of a goddess.” Linear A inscriptions from Palaikastro and Youchtas, read as A-DI-KI-TE-TE-| and JA-DI-KI-TU .
 

ANISTORITON Journal of History, Archaeology, ArtHistory: Viewpoints

00001. 
Besides figuring out this divine title, he also partially translated the libation table inscription KN Za 10: Ta-nu-a-ti ja-sa-sarama / na da-wa-a- du-wa-na i-ja … It is also possible to tell approximately what should be on many tablets from context – like commodity signs that are shared with Linear B. One example of these is the …
 
R Za1 (on a libation table):
Ta-na-su te-ke Se-to-i-ja A-sa-sa-rame
Tanasu established (cf. Greek theke) (this table) at Setoia (Sitia), o my Lady.
 
So could be: MY Lady(Goddess!)
 

About this very minoan seal already depicted above:

 
 
Cretan Hieroglyphics The Ornamental and Ritual Version of the Cretan Protolinear Script
….….while the “ma” sign is a sketch of a calf’s face (from Sumerian “amá(r)” meaning a calf), however in Linear-A as also in Cretan Hieroglyphic it is often drawn in a way reminiscent of a cat’s face. (Note this here has no whiskers or anything that http://www.anistor.gr/index.html Anistoriton Journal, vol. 15 (2016-2017) Essays 9 would really make it a cat; it resembles a cat’s but it is still a calf’s face). We know that the great Goddess of the Minoans is associated with the cat, since there are representations of the Goddess with a cat on her head. Now we can interpret this image as follows: “deŋejŋo” clearly means “my (personal) deity” (-ŋo being the original form of the Sumerian suffix known as -“ŋu”, meaning “my” in Cuneiform). So, does the image mean “the cat is my deity”? Of course not, because the cat is the symbol of the Minoan Goddess, and not the Goddess herself. So the meaning of the image is “the great (well known to the Minoans) Goddess is my personal deity. Knowing the origin of the sign “ma” (“amá(r)” = a calf) we can understand what name of the Goddess is given here: as “ama” meant “mother” in Sumerian, the calf’s face sign was taken to imply “ama” (mother) and not “ma” as usually, and it was modified so as to fit into the body of a cat (symbol of the Goddess), therefore this side of the prism is an ingenious rebus conveying the meaning: “the Mother (Goddess) is my personal deity”.
 
 
 
 
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Second sign from the end backward, it is composed of   lozenge-like  cretan sign for textile/cloth”(but in horizontal pozition) 
 having attached twoo(shepperd croocked rods  )
 Az a whole this sign could be a head goat going to right
 
 
 
Micaenian AI-ZA
For lozenge,
 
For the shepperd croocked rod
 
 
With the sign underside “A”
“AI-ZA-A”, “AI-ZA-Ai

To the Land of Dreams: Linear B Lexicon

tothelandofdreams.blogspot.com/2016/01/linear-b-lexicon.html
 
Or better,overall reading,
 
3 measures/portions                                       Bull(heavenly SUN)
Grain
 
It Is           Sacred (sign) GOD(dess) aMA       “sacred” icon
(shiny,strong)                                       (shiny,strong)
00001. 
Jan 24, 2016 –ai-to, 螒委胃蠅谓, Aithon, personal name.ai-wa-ja, 螒喂F伪委伪 (>螒委伪), Aifaia (>Aia), ethnic/place name.ai-wa-ta, 螒喂F维蟿伪蟼, Aifatas, personal name.ai-wo-ro/ a-wo-ro, 螒委F慰位慰蟼, Aivolos, personal/animal name (= ‘nibble’).aiza, 伪委味伪 (>伪委纬伪),aiza(>aiga),goat.aiza. Aizai (>Aigai ,place name)

 

The Linear B Decipherment Controversy Re-Examined

Saul Levin – 1964 – ‎Inscriptions, Linear B.
… close to the central city of Knosos nearly a thousand years earlier — yet the AI ~ A alternation gives an idea of what may have happened in the Linear B language to the nominative plural ending which Greek preserves as the diphthong -01. But whatever may be the merit of our subtle hypothesis to clarify the phenomena, ..
 
A horizontal box is ideogram for “cloth/textiles”
I am coming back.No, the head is too big. It is an bcranium/bull-head
 
Hieroglyphic,like the bull-head #012 becomes Linear AB 23  MU,  *23 (MU)/BOS = cattle. *23 appears by itself (HT, ZA, KH 5.6) and may be “ox” or possibly “cow,” although the sign lacks the split stem that Linear B 109b has. The masculine variant ( *23m, with stem crossed
 
So entire tablet we have                         
 
3 measures/portions                                BULL
Of grain
  SA            A/Labrys  GODdess)   Ma           
SA-RA              LABRYS    
 
A-SASA-RAMA
 
 
 
Or better,overall reading,thought as an offering,
 
3 measures/portions                                       Bull(heavenly SUN)
Grain
 
It Is           Sacred (sign) GOD(dess) aMA       “sacred” icon
(shiny,strong)                                       (shiny,strong)
00002. 
 
          Both above signs, SUN’s ABODE
 
 
 

 

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